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Revenge - Episode 4.08 - Contact - Sneak Peek 2

14 Nov 2014

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51 comments:

  1. darkness14 November 2014 at 17:05

    James Tupper is such a bad actor...

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  2. acre199314 November 2014 at 17:26

    Why should emily help her, after everything Victoria has put her through and not to mention killed Aiden. i would've done the same thing as her and left the bitch to die.

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  3. LittleDreamer14 November 2014 at 17:42

    This scene was as cringeworthy as the one from last week's OuaT when Ingrid was captured.

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  4. LittleDreamer14 November 2014 at 17:43

    I agree, that was some lousy acting. he can do better than that.

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  5. Revenge and OUAT14 November 2014 at 17:49

    Last sunday's episode was awesome ans i cannot wait for this week's episode! I am not going to watch the sneak peak because i hate them. Hope the ratings rise

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  6. Revenge and OUAT14 November 2014 at 17:50

    He actually is not but u guess in this scene he was.

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  7. acre199314 November 2014 at 18:11

    me too! but i'm pretty sure after that cliffhanger and the fact that it has OUAT as a lead in will bump it up to a season high

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  8. Revenge and OUAT14 November 2014 at 18:22

    I really really hope so!!!!!! I hope it can reach a 1.5 which i doubt though. It will probably be a 1.4 which is good enough!

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  9. darkness14 November 2014 at 18:29

    He's always bad for me.

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  10. Revenge and OUAT14 November 2014 at 18:37

    Actually I do not even really care about him. Right now i only care about emily, jack, nolan and surprisingly even daniel

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  11. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 19:05

    When Victoria didn't want Patrick to call an ambulance and instead let Jimmy bleed to death, people accused her of being cruel, but when Emily refuses to call for help as the love of her father's life lays dying, everyone rushes to her defense and praises her for just standing by. I don't even know why I'm surprised. I mean, these are the same types of fans who sympathized more with a rapist than the woman he raped, simply because they don't like Victoria. The double standards in this fandom are truly disgusting.

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  12. Greg14 November 2014 at 19:48

    Seems logical to help person who murdered your fiance. Kappa.

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  13. Pookie Poo14 November 2014 at 20:31

    I agree with every name but Daniel... after he shot Emily that was it for me... no redemption... for me it he'd have to do something really really and I mean really good lol

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  14. Pookie Poo14 November 2014 at 20:34

    ok calm down

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  15. lil_leez14 November 2014 at 20:36

    Well David doesn't know all Victoria has done to Emily yet so I understand why he would be helping, but Emily shouldn't help after she ruined her childhood and killed her fiance.. If I was in Emily's shoes I'd do the same thing, she doesn't deserve her help. I didn't care for Jimmy so people that condemned Victoria for standing by I can't quite fathom tbh.

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  16. Candice M14 November 2014 at 22:09

    I didn't have a problem with Victoria in that scene. She was justified just like Emily is justified when not helping this murderer.

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  17. max14 November 2014 at 23:06

    Alexa's gonna slay slay slay slay slay

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  18. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 23:11

    So Emily isn't obliged to help Victoria because Victoria murdered Aiden whilst under the misguided impression that Emily was to blame for Pascal's death, but Victoria had a moral obligation to save the life of the man who beat, raped, and stalked her? Yeah, okay, that makes total sense.

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  19. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 23:16

    I'm sorry, did I include sentences written in full caps lock and end them with multiple exclamation marks in that post or do I sense some confusion here? It seems to me like you're the one who needs to calm down, dear. In case you weren't already aware, not everyone is going to share your same opinion.

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  20. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 23:32

    Nor is David aware of the hell fire Emily unjustifiably unleashed on Victoria and her family for nearly four years. Killing Aiden was the only thing Victoria ever did with the sole intention of hurting Emily; everything else was just her fighting back and defending herself from the plans Emily set in motion to screw her over. And Victoria shouldn't have to bear the responsibility of ruining Emily's childhood. Hundreds of people were involved in the David Clarke conspiracy, not just Victoria, and she was the only one who actually had a crisis of conscience and ended up trying to rectify the situation by going to the prosecutor and confessing David’s innocence to him. Victoria acted out of fear and duress from the Initiative, Frank, and Conrad and spent the rest of her life feeling awful for betraying David so the fact that Emily chose to go after her worse than anyone was ridiculously unfair and completely unjustifiable. I'm not saying Emily should be kind to her or sympathize with her, but she should have called for an ambulance. If anything, because Victoria is the love of her father's life and the mother of her sister. But that's just my personal opinion so feel free to disagree. It's the fans who perpetuate double standard that annoy me.

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  21. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 23:35

    I can respect that, even though I don't necessarily agree about Emily.

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  22. Alexa Nicole14 November 2014 at 23:37

    Omg Max, is this you? God bless.

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  23. Brenda Benton15 November 2014 at 00:52

    David is not going to readily accept Emily, he's so love struck over Victoria, she got him completely brain washed, Damn!!!

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  24. Candice M15 November 2014 at 01:06

    Victoria not only helped in taking away the only parent Emily had, but she had that psychologist torture Emily and make her feel like she was wrong for loving her father. Saying that what Emily did to Victoria is unjustified is a ludicrous statement.

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  25. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 02:02

    You do realize Victoria was just following orders from the Initiative, right? They're the ones who took care of the cover up once David Clarke was chosen as a patsy. So while Victoria may have been the one who confronted Dr. Banks about Amanda, she was not acting alone when she did. Madeleine Stowe has already stated that Victoria had to make a fundamental choice between saving Daniel and going along with the plan to frame David, so I refuse to demonize her for choosing to protect her family. That part of the story hasn't been revealed to the audience just yet, but the episode has already been shot so it should be coming up soon enough. And if you think revenge is ever, under any circumstances, justified, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. The narrative itself makes a point to depict the cycle brought on by revenge as vicious and destructive so you're missing one of the most significant messages on the show.

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  26. Arno15 November 2014 at 02:21

    You mean the acting on the sister's part and not Elizabeth Mitchell's, right? I hope so.

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  27. Arno15 November 2014 at 02:24

    Okay, what about keeping her father away from her NOW, not telling him Amanda's alive? Her sole purpose was to hurt Ems this season.

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  28. Shanna Luthi15 November 2014 at 02:25

    She may have been fallowing order but that doesn't excuse all the things she did after even to fauxamanda. What define if you are a good person is how you act on a bad situation. She paid mason tredwell to write this book about David, she didn't have to go that far. Even telling David that emily who she know is his daughter tried to destroy her family knowing what he did to connrad was awful. She wanted him to kill his own daughter. You are not gonna make me believe that she is good

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  29. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 05:36

    David's the one who got to Victoria, not the other way around. He drugged, kidnapped, and man-handled her and then demanded she tell him the truth about his framing in a place where there were no witnesses and she couldn't escape. She was terrified he would hurt her if he knew the real story- that was the whole purpose of showing her dream- and after he admitted to murdering Conrad, she had all the more reason to fear for her safety. Victoria isn't stupid. She knows David's slightly unhinged and telling him about Emily would mean putting herself at risk of his wrath. Yes, her original plan was to get back at Emily this season, but that all went to hell the moment David came into the picture. Victoria didn't rekindle her relationship with him just to piss off Emily, she did it because she genuinely loves him. It just so happens that, by being with David, Victoria gets to piss off Emily regardless of whether or not she even tries.

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  30. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 05:59

    What I'm doing is taking the facts the show has presented to us and using them to formulate my arguments. Emily herself was the one to say that Americon Initiative handled the cover up of her father's framing and Season 2 made it abundantly clear that the Graysons weren't the ones calling the shots when it came to any matters involving the Initiative so to say that Victoria had "free will" is a complete joke. She was merely a pawn, and the fact that she chose to protect her son over the daughter over her lover is 100% understandable. Any decent parent would have done the same in her position. Either way, someone was going to get hurt. There was no avoiding it. It's wasn't even Victoria's fault she was in that position in the first place so villainizing her for choosing to protect her five year old son is some serious bullshit. Having Amanda institutionalized was a necessary precaution taken to ensure that the conspiracy go off without a hitch. Amanda saw Victoria take David's laptop and was aware of the affair they were having which made her a liability, thus Victoria had to convince Dr. Banks to declare her mentally unfit. Of course it was terrible, of course it was wrong- I'm not trying to argue otherwise. What I'm trying to say is Victoria's motives in institutionalizing Amanda were never spiteful. It was just part of the cover up, which meant her hands were tied. You don't seem to have a very good concept of how the conspiracy worked. The Initiative gave the orders, the Graysons did the dirty work. It's not that hard. Everything Victoria did, she did to protect her family. David would have done the exact same if the roles were reversed.

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  31. lisa15 November 2014 at 06:15

    omg its just a tv show get a life

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  32. Candice M15 November 2014 at 06:16

    I know how the conspiracy worked. It still does not justify Victoria's present actions, and I don't care what Dr. Banks and Victoria's motives were when it came to Amanda. They took it too far, and to say that Victoria did not deserve any backlash, because she was protecting her family is your opinion and not a fact. Just like my comment about her deserving it is an opinion based on how I weighed her actions then and now. It seems like you do not know the difference between an opinion and fact.

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  33. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 06:22

    Victoria never believed Fauxmanda was David's daughter. She said this several times. And the only reason she and Conrad planned to frame her for the murder of Helen Crowley was because they had no other options. Victoria killed Helen to protect Daniel- all of the terrible things she's done lead back to her protecting her family. So while it may have been cruel for her and Conrad to try and pin Helen's murder on Amanda, I refuse to see their actions as "evil". Wrong? Definitely. Spiteful? No. Victoria doesn't go around hurting people for the sake of it, nor does she derive pleasure from destroying the lives of innocent people. She hates it, which is why she's so full of guilt and self-loathing. As for Mason Treadwell, it sounds like you need to go back and re-watch 1x12 because you've got all of your facts wrong. Victoria didn't seek him out so he could write a story about David being a terrorist; Mason was the one who showed up to Grayson Manor intending to get a confession from Victoria about her affair with David. She and Conrad had to buy him off because he was determined to get to the truth. Um, Victoria never asked David to kill Emily. She was very obviously horrified when he told her he snuck into Grayson Manor and, when she asked him if he killed her, there was no trace of excitement in her voice. Feel free to re-watch that scene too if you won't take my word for it. Who said I was trying to convince you that Victoria was good? I wasn't even talking to you; you replied to a response I composed for another person. I don't give a rat's ass what you think of Victoria, all I'm doing is presenting the facts everyone prefers to blind themselves to because they don't want to have to admit Victoria's not the one-dimensional, despicable witch they want her to be. It's a lost easier to root for Emily when you pretend she's morally superior to Victoria. That's why the hardcore Emily stans hate her so much- because they want her to be a heartless bitch that way Emily can look better in comparison. Too bad she's actually a well-rounded character with a lot of redeemable qualities.

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  34. LittleDreamer15 November 2014 at 06:24

    Nah, I mean the capture scene with the candle.

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  35. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 06:25

    Oh ouch, you really got me there. I wasn't aware this show was fiction.

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  36. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 06:35

    I don't think you do, but I'm done arguing about it. Anyone who disregards motives when making observations about a character's persona isn't worth debating with. Motives are crucial factors that must be taken into consideration when defining who a character is and whether or not their actions are justifiable. Without them, an accurate depiction cannot be drawn. And revenge never being justified is not my personal opinion, it's a fact. Try living out the rest of your life with that "an eye for an eye" mentality and see how far it gets you. I guarantee you'll be miserable. Your inability to comprehend what we've been presented on the show is not my problem and if anyone doesn't know the difference between an opinion and a fact, it's you, not me. I'm done discussing with you.

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  37. Candice M15 November 2014 at 07:28

    You have taken this too personally. It is a show. My perspective is different from yours. I respect that, but apparently, your viewpoint and interpretations of "facts" are more important that mine.


    I will never consider Victoria a true victim, because regardless of her motives, her actions have created horrible consequences. Emily's motives also do not clear her from what she has done, either.

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  38. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 08:15

    Well if it's just a show then you never should have bothered responding to my comment when you knew full well that I didn't share your opinions. And I do wish you would have told me you didn't consider Victoria a victim from the very beginning. I never would have wasted my time arguing with you if I'd read such an absurd declaration right off the bat. Good bye, dear. It's been fun.

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  39. Pookie Poo15 November 2014 at 11:00

    like I said calm down... and you didn't see me put what I said in caps nor did I put any exclamation marks behind it.... not everything is the serious... I didn't say anything about what you wrote sweet heart.......... so get a grip...

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  40. Mason15 November 2014 at 12:00

    Remember when the new show runners took over, it was revealed that the Americon Initiative didn't actually exist (because they realised they couldn't take the storyline anywhere)? As a result (or ignored to end that storyline) Conrad admitted it was him behind the Initiative the whole time (he and other unnamed businessmen created terror to make money off people). Victoria knew exactly what she was doing the whole time.

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  41. Daniya Tariq15 November 2014 at 13:49

    don`t hate me for this but i am still hoping that emily & daniel can
    still be together at the end.. i always like daniel with emily.. they
    make such a lovely couple .. i know that he shoot her but emily is also
    not a saint so ... it will be cool if they end up loving each other once again

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  42. Arno15 November 2014 at 14:19

    Was she scared when she moved into the beach house with him? She tells herself and everyone around it's for David's sake (see her goodbye scene with Charlotte), while in fact it is only to hurt Emily. I get some of your points, but you won't be able to defend her behavior forever. And yes, things in life and on the show are relative. Plus if she would have David's best interest at heart she would simply find a way to reveal that Amanda's alive and remove herself from the situation by moving out or skipping town. (Oh, I forgot she has no money.) That's what true love calls for, especially after all the crap the Clarkes experienced because of the Graysons. Sure, Clarkes aren't saints and have done their fair share of harm/crime, but I'm just following your points. So yeah...if she truly loved him and wasn't focused on her psychotic need to get back at Ems at all cost, she would tell him the second things got a little less rocky (hence, even in the beginning of last episode before he went to the strip club, but instead she went behind his back and paid the stripper to lie to him and make herself oh-so-wonderful in his eyes). Gimme a break.

    P.S.: I love Victoria as a character, I never even hated her, 'cause I love to see gripping drama and conflict, BUT when someone starts to somehow defend her behavior (which I try to bat an eye at without giving it a second thought) and tries to build a whole ideology around it -- well, that's when I feel I have to step in and clear some things up.

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  43. Cathy15 November 2014 at 17:11

    Some of these comments are unbelievable. You guys know this is just a tv show right? Enjoy it. If you dont...dont watch it. Mike Kelly created something awesome to watch. Why argue?

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  44. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 22:40

    Sweetheart, you're the one getting worked up over a comment that wasn't even directed at you. If anyone needs to calm down here, it isn't me.

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  45. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 22:53

    The Initiative did exist. We literally saw them in action all throughout S2. All Conrad meant in his speech to Victoria was that the Initiative wasn't so much a terrorist organization as it was a group of shrewd business people who were willing to take risks and create catastrophes in order to profit off of them in the aftermath. Flight 197 was one of those catastrophes, and the Initiative did spearhead the cover up of the DC conspiracy because we saw flashbacks and old video/sound recordings of Gordon Murphy working with the Graysons. Conrad was never a part of the Initiative until Helen Crowley bailed him out of jail in 2x06. He had no idea the money he was laundering for them in the 90's was going to be used to blow up a plane. This is all in the 2x22 flashback. Victoria had no clue Conrad was in with the Initiative until Daniel told her about it and she confronted Conrad, who admitted to it, in the S2 finale. Did you just happen to forget all of that? How about the fact that she killed Helen Crowley because she believed Daniel's life was legitimately in danger? Hate to break it to you, but you're wrong about Victoria. She was as clueless about Conrad's involvement with the Initiative in S2 as she was about the fact that he was laundering money for them back in the day. Sound like you're due for a re-watch, buddy.

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  46. Alexa Nicole15 November 2014 at 23:13

    Yes. Do her looks of terror any time David mentions wanting to discover the truth about Amanda go completely over your head or something? She literally walked out in the middle of a storm and was prepared to drive off god knows where because she knew David was going to be furious with her her once Emily told him the truth about her identity. Victoria's relationship with him has nothing to do with Emily; she genuinely loves David (Madeleine Stowe has stated this repeatedly so don't even bother trying to argue this point with me). It just so happens that being with David is also the best way to get back at Emily, but even if it wasn't she would still want to be with him. Um, what? Skipping town would not be the best thing for David. James Tupper recently stated that Victoria is the love of David's life and that he dreamed of having her back the entire time he was in prison so, no, abandoning him would not be in his best interest. He loves her. Besides, it wasn't Victoria's responsibility to tell David about Emily when Emily herself was aware that her father was alive and still chose not to confront him about who she was. Jack and Nolan didn't come clean to him either and they actually care about Emily, whereas Victoria owes her nothing. You think Victoria's the one with a psychotic need for revenge? Lmfao. The entire premise of the show is based on Emily's insatiable desire to exact revenge on anyone and everyone who has ever wronged her (or merely gotten in her way), so give me a break. All Victoria has been doing by lying to David about Amanda is looking out for her own safety. In the words of Ted Sullivan, "Vicky Harper is, first and foremost, a survivor."


    Please spare me your self-righteous claims about feeling the need to "clear things up". You decided to pick an argument with me because you don't like my opinion- plain and simple.

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  47. Bill Milosevski16 November 2014 at 11:08

    Hunty, that b*tch stole Emily's reproductive system!

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  48. Arno16 November 2014 at 14:26

    Simple question : in real life (yeah, I know it's a show, but still, we keep referring to these categories) who should be more important - a lover (who btw betrayed you in one way or another) or your very own child? So yeah, it's all about prioritizing and putting someone else's needs above one's own so don't give me this "Vicky's the love of his life" bs, 'cause still at the end of the day losing Ems (yet again) over losing her would hurt that much worse.

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  49. Alexa Nicole19 November 2014 at 19:25

    If by "that bitch" you mean Daniel then , yes, he did- seeing as he's the one who shot her twice in the abdomen.

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  50. Alexa Nicole19 November 2014 at 19:26

    That's not a decision he has to make. If Emily doesn't want her father to have a relationship with Victoria then that's her problem, not his. It doesn't mean he has to make a choice. Emily gets zero say in what he chooses to do with his personal life. And I'm not giving you anything. James Tupper himself was the one to recently state that Victoria is the love of David's life, so have fun trying to argue with the actor who plays David and understands his character better than you do.

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  51. Arno20 November 2014 at 01:09

    You like referring to all those interviews that you so conveniently forget to link to other commenters, how about that? That'd be a nice change!
    And btw that's exactly where the conflict arises, at this moment he can't have both a successful relationship with his daughter and his lover, because they exclusively hate each other's guts. They both don't want to see the other in his life, or at least not in such a capacity...which I'm sure will change overtime for the story's sake, because as Charlotte said this cycle of hate is getting kinda tiresome. As the one in here.


    ETA : Then again it's only Vicky's problem that Ems is her enemy and happens to be her lover's daughter, ain't it?

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