Though Sin was conspicuously absent from the immediate aftermath of BFF Sara’s murder, Bex Taylor-Klaus will reprise her Arrow role after the CW hit’s winter break, TVLine has confirmed.
“She’s actually in Episode 12, titled ‘Uprising,'” showrunner Andrew Kreisberg shared at the screening of the Flash/Arrow crossover episodes (airing Dec. 2 and 3). “She plays a pivotal part in the investigation into Sara’s death.”
“I just watched the dailies the other day, and it was really great to see her back,” Kreisberg added, “because she such an important part of Season 2.”
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So happy she will be back! I love Sin (she was one of my favorite recurring characters last season) and I was pretty disappointed that she fell off the face of the earth at the end of "Seeing Red" with no explanation. Can't wait to see what she's been up to and see her be a pivotal part of looking for Sara's killer.
ReplyDeleteI guess she is Sara's killer then. I'd like to see her explaining why she did that.
ReplyDeleteInteresting... We will know the "identity" of the killer on 3x09. Yet, they never said they will catch whoever did it.
ReplyDeleteMy bets are still on Sin or Tommy.
The identity, yes... Catch him/her? Nope, not yet.
ReplyDeleteCalled it: she killed Sara
ReplyDeleteI think so too.
ReplyDeleteSomeone on these comment boards called it as early as Episode 3.04 that Sin was Sara's killer, and I'm thinking that makes the most sense. But I think Ra's might have put her up to it.
ReplyDeleteWait a second, they are still investigating Sara's murder at episode 12? I thought we were going to find out who killed her in 309!
ReplyDeleteI really don't keep in touch with arrow fan speculations but can someone tell me why in the earth would sin kill sarah?What possible motive she could have against her?
ReplyDeleteSin killing Sara would be the worst possible option. I could see her being witness to the crime. But let's see what they have in store for us.
ReplyDeleteNo way. My money is still on Thea as Sara's killer. Sin has no motive, whereas Thea is being trained by her Evil Father, Malcolm--who holds Oliver responsible for the death of his son, Tommy. Having Thea kill Sara would be exactly the type of payback that Malcolm would be behind, because it works on three levels: (1) It bonds Thea to Malcolm's evil ways & is possibly a final "test" in her training; (2) It is payback to the League of Assassins, who are after Malcolm (with a possible "twist" of it being Malcolm's way of making-up with R'as--who it is known disliked the Nyssa/Sara relationship); (3) Killing Sara obviously hurts Oliver, because he was/still is in love with her.
ReplyDeleteBottom line: if the show's writers DIDN'T make Thea the killer, they missed a great opportunity with their narrative.
Exactly! There is NO motive for Sin to kill Sara--unless the writers are going to play the "she was drugged" card. And, as others have mentioned on this and other sites, the writers said Sara's killer would be someone close to Oliver. And that's not Sin.
ReplyDeleteI've said before, and above, that the killer is Thea. She fits the bill as someone who is being trained by the Evil Master, Malcolm. Plus, she fits the bill as being close to Oliver--and it would explain why Roy was having nightmares. He must have seen something that implicates Thea, and is repressing the memory; but it comes out in his dreams.
I have no idea about arrow spoilers so i'm asking this-have the writers spoiled in which episode the killer will be revealed?
ReplyDeleteSin has "ties" with The League in the comics...
ReplyDeleteOk.Didn't know that.Thanks for the info.
ReplyDeletei like your theory and im partially convinced it was thea too, it would make for a great second half of the season.
ReplyDeleteYes but why she would kill Sarah, her best friend like that?
ReplyDeleteI didn't get that invested in the character hopefully I will this season.
ReplyDeleteI might be wrong, but didn't they say somewhere that we will find out who killed Sara before Team Arrow does?
ReplyDeleteWow!I didn't know any of this.Thanks for the info.
ReplyDeletenothing to know, that's just my theory
ReplyDeleteSin, in the comics, is pretty much the leagues "chosen one"
I am not into comics at all,so even speculation about these characters is beyond my grasp.
ReplyDeleteMaybe my problem with the "who killed Sara" plotline (beyond the obvious redundancy of the search) is that no one we know has a reason to kill her. Thea or Sin? Why? I mean the best motivation out there is to hurt Oliver, but there are lots of people's deaths that would hurt him more, but they are just higher on the call sheet, and that's not a good way to write conflict. But if there was a greater mystery than just someone wanted her dead for a specific reason, I feel like they needed to have started alluding to it by now. The process is taking too long without any good hints or deeper plot. If it were Sin with League of Assassin ties, why wouldn't that have been even hinted at in the Sara Redux episode? Why would Ra's put a deadline on Oliver finding the killer if he ordered it?
ReplyDeleteWhy would Malcolm have Thea kill a random person who would bring even more heat on him from the League or put his "protege" & daughter in the League's crosshairs? He's smarter and more cautious than that, and he's proven to be scared of the League and to think of himself as a hero. Diggle=no, Roy=No, Lance=no, Felicity=no, Nyssa=no. Waller? maybe but the same problem arises as with Sin, they needed to lay some groundwork for that happen. Ray, maybe but we've seen no evidence that they knew each other and Sara knew her killer and he/she was short. Oh well, I think it is a balance and pacing issue. Hopefully they get rid of some plotlines soon so they can start devoting time to all their stories in less helter skelter ways.
I completely forgot about her
ReplyDeleteHow is Oliver responsible for Tommy's death? ::confused::
ReplyDeleteThey're dragging this out way too long.
ReplyDeletemy wild guess on sarah's killer is someone else sent by Ra's w/o Nyssa knowing. Malcolm was just an excuse to send Sarah back to starling.
ReplyDeleteFREAKING FINALLY!!! Jesus! I've been asking about her all season. Bout time they gave me something!
ReplyDeleteyep definitely agree, he did't seem all that broken up about it
ReplyDeleteThey have said we will know the killer by mid season finale.
ReplyDeleteMidseason finale will be 3.09, right? December 10th?
ReplyDeleteYou're going to lose your money then.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info.I'm happy they will not drag this killer mystery till the end of the season!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, I'm already bored with this storyline.
ReplyDeleteI honestly don't know, I thought Team Arrow will find out in 309 since it's about Ra's giving Oliver an ultimatum either find Sara's killer or I'll kill the people of Starling, that's why my theory was that the killer is someone Oliver can't kill or handover to the LoA and as a compromise he will join the league, but I don't know anymore.
ReplyDeleteHe's not...but Malcom holds The Arrow/Oliver responsible. It's part of Malcolm's twisted logic...the same logic that praised Thea (at the end of Season 2) for having the strength to "shoot" him. Malcolm hates the Arrow, and any way he can hurt Arrow he will do it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe. But, it would be the Writers making a mistake by not choosing the Best storyline, that provides the most "conflict."
ReplyDeleteWhat you write is a good possible narrative. But, I'm hoping that Arrow's writers have the courage to depart from the comics. They did depart by creating the characters of Felicity and Diggle--and it was hugely successful. On the other hand, they seem to be sticking to the comics with Laurel/Dinah becoming the Canary--which I've written numerous times is a HUGE error. So, we'll see.
ReplyDeleteMore: the major challenge with taking comics and trying to make them into movies or (especially) TV series is that comic fans insist that the movie or TV show "stick to the script" of the comics, whereas I feel it much more creative and fulfilling for the movie or TV audience if the Writers to take liberties with the characters, events, etc. By doing so, they are making the movie/TV series "new"; and they "own" the characters.
The comic book creators & companies do NOT want to lose creative control over the characters. And, according to the Arrow creators at SD Comic Con this past July, they have to negotiate the characters use with comics company constantly. In my view, this is why TV and movie producers should not use comics: too restrictive.
Well it wouldn't stick too close to the comics but still pay tribute to them in a way. Sin is certainly one of the characters I as a screenwriter would consider perfect for mentally traumatizing scenes.
ReplyDeleteAs for off canon, Felicity was an accident, she was introduced as a guest character and blew up. A positive surprise but she was never ment to be more than a nod to Firestorm. What she became is only thanks to the fanbase. She was great up until the season premiere, ever since I can't help but see parts of the fanservice thrown into the Felicity-fanbase direction. You may disagree with me but the huge focus she's getting doesen't work for me.
Diggle, I agree, he was off canon. At least that's what we're led to think.
He has close ties t2o the Suicide Squad and guess wich character hasn't been introduced yet but is more than important for them? Rick Flagg, the teams leader. Ironically Flaggs position was taken over by Diggle.
I could imagine Diggle going the comic route and adopt "Rick Flagg" as his alias for missions.
I don't consider Laurel being the Canary an error, Katie Cassidy is probably the most experienced actress the show has and while the writers certainly haven't done the character any favours with season 2 and the Olicity explosion I do think that Cassidy will be able to salvage the less sh*tty writing thrown in her direction.
It's one of the cases where I trust the actress more than the writers since they have a terrible track record with her character.
I agree that writers need more room for creativity, it was given to the MCU writers and they pulled off a lot of pretty decent movies with Thor, Captain America 1+2 and the others. Only thing they did was stick to the core relationships and didn't focus too much on any romantical aspect.
Arrows biggest disadvantage is the romantical motivated fanbase, the romance is what draws some to the show, they demand to see their wishes met and at times (very much so in the case of season 3) do. This is also what is limiting the writers to fan demands wich at times are worse than comic book requirements.
They lost creative control over the show if you ask me and have ultimately handed the show over to the fandom, people wanted Olicity to become a thing for a long time and all of a sudden it is a thing in the season premiere. No evolution towards it, it just happened without much to go on it.
They even turned Diggle into a spokesperson for it and killed his character to turn him into the "tumblr moutpiece".
I know you will probably disagree with me on that but before the writers can get back their own creativity they need to take it back from the fandom
Just got the one thing to add Mac.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that season 3 premiere felt "out of the blue" is that they plan to tell the evolution to it in those season 2.5 comic books that are coming out bi-weekly.
There is no logic to support that so I'm going to need actual show evidence. He doesn't hate Oliver. He isn't going after Oliver and has never. If he wanted to hurt Oliver there were several times in season 1 he could have, he specifically didn't. And how could Oliver possibly be responsible for dropping a building on Tommy?
ReplyDeleteMalcolm bizarro-world logic is him thinking he's a hero, not thinking Oliver is responsible for an earthquake that he created.
I guess we're going to disagree. But let me provide you some more of my thinking on my theory.
ReplyDeleteMalcolm has been a Major Villain all along in the series: he was responsible for the Queen Yacht blowing up, he was behind destroying the Glades (and killing numerous people), he has opposed the Arrow--who Malcolm knows is Oliver, and he has recruited/trained Thea as his evil daughter/partner. Malcolm also refuses to accept responsibility for his own actions--and believes if the Arrow (Oliver) had not opposed Malcolm's destruction plans for the Glades, Tommy would somehow not be dead. He has said so in a couple of episodes, to Moira, Oliver, and Thea.
All of which comes back to Malcolm wanting to hurt Oliver/Arrow...through Thea, through killing the Arrow's (and Oliver's) "partner"--Sara. Malcolm still wants power over the city, and Oliver stands in his way. And, Malcolm is calculating enough to know that even if Oliver finds out that Thea killed Sara, Oliver will still be conflicted about bringing his own sister to justice. [Note: that's what I believe the show's creators are speaking to in online interviews when they say that finding out who the killer is will make the audience (and other characters in the show) sad. Thea is the ONLY possibility--not Sin--that truly fits this bill.]
Finally, as I also said, there could be a "side benefit" in why Malcolm had Thea kill Sara: it gets him back "in" with the LOA. Ra's does NOT like the Nyssa/Sara relationship, and by killing Sara, Malcolm/Thea is earning favor with the head of the LOA.
You don't have to agree with my theories, but they do make sense--and would propel the narrative forward in very emotionally conflicting directions.
I respect what you say. But, your comments also speaks to the difficulty that any comic-book translation has: who do you write for? The loyal fans of the comics, or the new fans of the show? My personal opinion is that TV shows/movies should be able to stand alone--without the audience being familiar with the source, comic material. [BTW, I feel the same about novels.]
ReplyDeleteTurning to Katie Cassidy: yes, she's a good actress--but like character Dana on the Homeland TV series--the writers made Katie's Laurel character so unlikable in season 2, it's difficult for fans to "warm up" to her now that the plan is to make her a major, likable character in the series. This was a gamble the writers could have avoided in two ways: first, and foremost, by not having the Bitchy, Drunk Laurel arc at all; and, second not having a Sara character. Especially a Sara character that was appealing to the fans. The writers set themselves up for a rejection of the Laurel-as-Canary character. If I were Katie Cassidy, I'd be royally pissed!
Finally, I know the Olicity fandom can be a pain--but, they are a major reason the show gets excellent ratings. And TV is a business; and shows that don't bring in viewers get cancelled. [Can you say "The Cape"?] IMO, a more important point isn't Olicity, but the struggle the writers (and some fans?) have with female characters in comic-derived TV shows/movies. Comics are mostly read by young boys, and women in comics are often not well-developed, realistic characters. This may be because women are not the focus of the comics--which are vehicles for boys to learn lessons. Thus, the existence of Olicity goes against the grain and focus of the source material--young boys fantasies of being a Hero. The Arrow writers have struggled to make all of their female characters (Moira, Thea, Huntress, Sara, Laurel, Felicity, Amanda, Isadore, Sin, Lyla) believable for a mass audience that includes women in the 19-49 yr old demographics. And, IMO, have failed more often than succeeded.