Supernatural returns for its tenth season with “Black.” The episode was written by showrunner Jeremy Carver and directed by stalwart Executive Producer Bob Singer. There were enough nice moments in this episode to distract us from there not being a great deal of plot. This felt very much like an episode setting us up for the season, but I’m not sure that I’ve come away with a really clear idea of where we’re going – though many of the characters are on the road going somewhere by the end of the episode.
The big take away from the episode is that Sam (Jared Padalecki) IS looking for his brother this time and apparently, Dean (Jensen Ackles) isn’t quite a demon – or is he? In many ways, this episode felt like quite a lot of fan service and appeasement was going on. Crowley (Mark Sheppard) actually tells Sam that he and Dean had wondered about the length of time it took Sam to track down his brother, thinking perhaps that Sam had hit another dog – remember, Sam didn’t look for Dean in season eight because he hit a dog and fell for the vet. Something fans have never forgiven Carver for. We also getting singing Dean – something fans have wanted for a long time. And Dean is also singing karaoke – badly to be sure – but karaoke is near and dear to every fan’s heart – and one of the most popular events at Supernatural conventions. Dean is also shirtless – and pantless! – though sadly, only Crowley is privy to that. Finally, Sam’s abduction by Cole (Travis Aaron Wade) which appears to be to trap Dean for revenge for something Dean did is a well used fan fiction trope.
Of course, giving the fans what they want isn’t necessarily a bad thing. On the other hand, the number one thing fans of the show want is for the brothers to be together, and they don’t even have a scene together in this episode! In recent interviews, Carver has said that this season will have a slower build up and that the brothers will be doing a lot of self reflection. We’ve already seen that Sam was willing to go to any lengths to get his brother back. Though it’s been a long time since the brothers have been concerned about the damage they inflict on the meat suits worn by the demons they are torturing, Sam is clearly crossing a line.
The action picks up about six weeks after the finale. Dean is determinedly howling at the moon. In many respects this harkens back to Dean in the early seasons – especially season one, when he liked nothing better than to hang out at a bar, getting drunk and enjoying the music and the women with some pool sharking or poker to fill the Winchester coffers. Instead of sharing a hotel room with Sam, Dean is now tormenting Crowley by sleeping in his bed, exchanging bitch/jerk taunts, and playing games together with the locals. Dean is also bedding the local bar maid, Anne Marie (Emily Fonda). When she says that she waits tables in a roadhouse, I immediately thought how much she looked like Jo (Alona Tal). Is Dean simply seeking out the same comforts and fun that he always has?
There is lots of evidence to support Anne Marie’s assertion that Dean is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy. For instance, the note he leaves for Sam is “SamMY don’t look for me.” That’s really giving Sam what he said he wants – to be free of his brother. Dean only calls Sam, Sammy as an endearment – that would appear to be affection slipping through. He does defend Anne Marie’s honor – and he’s distracted enough by her trouble that he loses the foosball game. It’s true that the blood lust takes over, but he’s also aware of the demon watching and knows he can’t show weakness at that point. Dean’s inherent goodness is still there – but so is his crippling self-doubt and self-loathing. When he says to Anne Marie, “maybe I’m the kind of guy who sleeps with every skank in every small town bar he passes through” he’s really insulting himself as much as her. We know Dean to be the love ‘em and leave ‘em the next morning type, but we’ve also seen him generally part on good terms with the women – Amazons and Florida waitresses aside. He also kills the guy who tries to kill him, but he doesn’t kill the cashier at the gas station.
But what about his interaction with Cole? The effectiveness of Dean’s seemingly cold blooded refusal to meet any of Cole’s demands is beautifully summed up in the final shot of Cole. He’s completely flummoxed. If Dean won’t come for his brother, how can Cole get to him? In actuality, Dean is not interested in causing mayhem. He doesn’t want to be joint ruler of Hell with Crowley, he just wants to keep partying at the bar. We’ve seen Dean lose his cool on numerous occasions – and indeed when he’s murdering the guy at the gas station, he really does relish it – but he’s steely calm in telling Cole that he will track him down and kill him. Kudos to Ackles for a nuanced performance as demon Dean. He’s obnoxious and brash, but also cold and emotionless. And then there are the moments when a flash of heart or introspection flashes across his face. And what of Dean’s final words to Cole. My brother knows I’m a man of my word. We know this too about human Dean – so what word is guiding him now? Is there a secret signal to Sam here that we aren’t privy too, like Funky Town or is something else driving Dean’s actions?
Padalecki also takes Sam through his paces – from crazed and frantic as he tortures the demon to concerned and disillusioned when it seems Dean doesn’t care what happens to him. We also see that Sam was working with Cas (Misha Collins) to try to find Dean and get him back, but Castiel has clearly fallen gravely ill due to his fading grace. In the end, Sam absolves Cas from any responsibility for Sam’s shoulder being in a sling – in reality, a result of an accident incurred while wrestling with Osric Chau (Kevin) in the greenroom at a convention. Sam also tells Cas to save his strength – Sam knows the sickness is bad. Of course, that brings up a small logic problem. Cas wasn’t sick and dying last season when he’d had his grace taken away, so why is he not just becoming human again?
Cas is not granted the same empathy from Hannah (Erica Carroll), who comes to enlist Cas’ help in rounding up two rogue angels – Daniel (Giacomo Baessato) and Adina (Jud Tylor). Hannah still sees Cas as a hero who deserves to live. Cas refuses to entertain the idea that another angel will die in order for him to live. Cas tries to play peacemaker between Daniel and Hannah, but things soon spiral out of control, leaving Daniel dead, Adina on the run and Hanna and Cas both injured. Daniel’s talk of choice and freedom reminded me very much of Cas’ early journey to understanding free will and standing with the Winchesters against the rules and rulers of Heaven. Daniel remarks that he was thrown unwillingly into a land that celebrates the free and was given choices. He says he began to discover who he really was and to realize it was worth fighting for – just as Cas was sent to earth to protect Dean when he would have preferred to stay aloof in his garrison, not realizing there was anything different out there.
Hannah wants rules to bring order to the chaos she sees among human beings. Cas sees that chaos as the ferment that results in art, hope, love, and dreams. Hannah becomes increasingly appalled at Cas’ empathy towards humans, and Cas concedes that he may have been down here – with the humans – for too long. Yet God put the angels in charge of watching over humans, relishing their chaos as a direct result of free will. I particularly liked the scene around the campfire, when Collins gives that patented little head tilt that indicates Cas is struggling to make sense of something. In this case, he fully understands Daniel, but is at a loss in how to explain it to Hannah.
Overall, it’s not really clear to me where they are going with the angel story line. Clearly, something needs to happen to help Cas with his grace problem. We learn that Metatron has been locked up permanently. Is this going to leave a power vacuum? Once again we see that Cas is completely ineffectual at preventing violence among the other angels. It would seem things will remain the same in Heaven as there is yet another struggle for power. It simply feels like the same road we’ve been down so many times before.
We don’t get much of a sense of what Crowley’s ultimate game is. In retrospect, he tells Dean that everything he did for Dean last season was deliberate and that he was doing Dean a favor all along. This seems to fly in the face of him saying he didn’t know what was going to happen last season. There’s Crowley lying because that’s what demons do, and then there is retconning the story line. So now, Crowley wants to rule Hell with Dean at his side. He couldn’t have a better enforcer after all. He tells Dean that he sent the assassins – Abaddon’s loyal followers – to try to kill Dean to sharpen Dean up and to feed the mark. Apparently, if they don’t feed the mark, Dean will turn into a demon – um, what? Why does he have black eyes if he isn’t already a demon? This seems to be a huge shift in the mythology. And if Dean isn’t yet a demon, what exactly is he?
Mark Sheppard, as always, is simply a joy to watch as Crowley. And kudos for looking as fit as the two brothers this season! One of the consistent things in the show is that Crowley gets all the best lines. The Misadventures of Crowley and Squirrel as a graphic novel? Um, yes please! Crowley does give us insight into what’s going on with Sam – he’s as much upset by Dean being with Crowley, choosing Crowley over him, as Sam is upset about Dean being a demon. Of course, in Sam’s defense, he thought Dean was truly dead – and that Crowley had a demon using Dean’s meatsuit. On the other hand, Crowley knows Dean doesn’t want to see Sam and uses Sam’s pursuit to motivate Dean into moving. Is Dean ashamed of what he’s become? Is he simply finally throwing off the shackles of responsibility – to Sam and the hunting life?
A couple of final thoughts. As always the sets and cinematography were great. The karaoke bar and Cas’s dive hotel were particularly nice sets and contrasted with the idyllic setting in the woods and around the campfire with the rogue angels. It was nice to see Cas speaking so easily in metaphors of fishing with Daniel! I loved Mickey (Zachary Gulka) at the Gas ‘n Sip. I loved him pointing out that he “didn’t submit a field report while porn-guy was stabbing a guy to death right in front of” him! And then he gives Sam the phone to take to the police! Classic. What wasn’t classic in the episode was the music. It’s not news that Carver’s idea of classic rock and Kripke’s (and mine!) idea of classic rock is not the same. Not that I didn’t appreciate Pat Benatar’s “Heartbreaker” – wasn’t it a heartbreak for all of us when Dean turned into a demon? - and Right Said Fred’s “I’m Too Sexy” – so perfectly on the nose for Dean! – but they are hardly classic rock.
So, there is still some hope that Dean isn’t actually a demon – just demon-adjacent perhaps. Sam is willing to do anything to get his brother back, including dying – anybody else concerned when Sam collected that cup of demon blood? It seemed a little too much like season four again. Lots of questions asked in this episode. So what do you think? Did you like the episode? Should Cas sacrifice another angel to save himself? What is Cole’s issue with Dean? What did Cole mean when he said he was the monster? Was he being literal? What are Crowley’s plans? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
Great review. The show used to be so GREAT before. Now it's just OK at least..
ReplyDeleteThanks! And I couldn't agree more. This episode felt an awful lot like the retrospective from the night before - a re-hash of greatest hits. But I'm hoping those are clues rather than simple lack of ideas...
ReplyDeleteAck, I always get so hopeful things will turn around after the finale episodes, but everything gets worst as it does since Kripke left. The mythology being screwed around with is a major sin in my book. Used to be my favorite show, now it doesn't make top 5. I still like watching though, just to see what happens. But it's lost a lot of itself. It's not Supernatural anymore. Just a similar show with the same actors and similar characters imo.
ReplyDeleteHave to agree. Though I also have to say that I'm often hopeful up until episode 19 or 20 and then disappointed... I'm resigned to the fact that Carver isn't going to ever restore the show to its former glory. My only hope now is that they bring Kripke back for a final season next year...
ReplyDeleteI think Kripke's done with the show. And he'd have a lot of damage control to be done. It's hard to rewrite what's been written. As much as I hate Carver's additions/changes to the mythology going back would make Season 8-10 even more messed up.
ReplyDeleteI liked your comments about fanfiction, because this is what the show feels like now. Then again, I've read a lot of fanfiction I like more than Carver's writing at this point, so comparing it to fanfiction is putting good fanfiction down for no reason.
there's going to be an 11th season?! siiiigh....
ReplyDeleteI've come to just roll with the questions and watch the show. not terrible. not good. just ok. sooooooo many questions! also it's time to give up hope lisa. :-p
ReplyDeleteCurious as to how you think the show went based on your season finale concerns -- better/worse/as expected? I appreciated your review; although I'm hopeful now after seeing it that they do understand what is the line among fans and what is crossing the line and I don't really believe they crossed a line. I know Sam was pretty vicious but it was a demon he tortured and not a human so to me he didn't cross THAT line yet. As to Dean -- he definitely didn't cross THAT line ('living' cashier). Frankly, Demon Dean seemed a lot like Dean to me but with a few caveats: he was 'trying' to live the carefree life he seemingly wanted but without 100% success and he is still good deep down. I actually now wonder if Dean 'can' be a Demon. Perhaps there are certain souls that regardless of how hard someone tries -- can not be turned evil and this is the best kind of "bad" person they'll get. In other words, is he truly 'good at heart,' and can't really be turned -- and that's why he played the strong/hero character in much of the apocalyptic type events? I definitely agree on the music though -- and frankly -- I miss the Impala! When I saw the previous' nights retrospective it reminded me of how critical a character the car is and why I think that's what they need to focus on again. Who knew -- it's all about the car!
ReplyDeleteGood review. I don't really have anything to say about the episode, itself, though. Nothing really awful about it (though I too was baffled by that is he/isn't he? thing re; Dean's demon status), but also not really anything we haven't seen before. Wheel-spinning.
ReplyDeleteSay, wait a minute! Just thought of this. Maybe, when Crowley tells Dean he has to sate the blade to KEEP from becoming a demon, that's the exact opposite of the truth. Dean's eyes go demon black on the video AFTER he's killed the guy. So Crowley's sending demons to Dean as chum to KEEP him demonized but telling Dean that he has to use the blade to KEEP FROM BEING demonized--pretending to be helpiong Dean stay human whuile in fact keeping him anchored tio the demonic. If Dean can lay the blade down and STOP sating it, he will be restored--kind of a reversal of "sating" Crowley with human blood to rehumanize him. (Hope we come back to that idea, btw.)
ReplyDeleteI thought so too, but that would mean Dean hasn't even considered the fact that he could be lying.
ReplyDeleteYou _know_ the last season will be given MUCH fanfare - and the CW always gives shows a victory lap... so, yeah this ain't the last one anyway...
ReplyDeleteI pretty much have...
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong - I'm a HUGE fan of fan fiction. I think when I wrote that in my head it might have said it's a well worn and often much better done fan fiction trope... I actually almost added links to at least three such stories that were better....
ReplyDeleteI will say that it wasn't really as bad as I thought it might be. I like your train of thought here too. And I completely agree about the Impala! In fact, the retrospective made me think just how horrible it was that Gamble - who was neither on it or mentioned!!! - took Baby away. And it IS all about the car - because the car USED to represent home and family...
ReplyDeleteExcellent thought - but.... what if Dean doesn't sate the blade - he was dead, right? So does he then die? I think it highly likely Crowley is lying...
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Dean thinks that he simply deserves this? That he's really no better than this anyway and it's his way of letting Sam go and getting Sam to let go? So he either knows Crowley is likely lying or doesn't care...
ReplyDeleteLol - I thought the same thing. A replay of the retro - but maybe the retro eccentric episode is where they are headed. To show (remind) us - although things have changed - they are still the same. Dean is demon-ish but Still Dean. Much like Cain, was Still Cain. . . .
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this season could be a "redemption" season. Dean becoming dean again - thus bringing the brothers back together, Castile getting (earning) his grace, angels possibly having choices rather than orders, etc. Look at the Supernatural opening credits - it starts out very dark - then Light bursts thru.
As always Lisa - your review was wonderful. . .
Thanks !
side thoughts:
*what did Dean do to Cole ?
*yes - I saw Joe not Anne !!
*Dean's "howling" too funny
*Crowley playing foosball w Dean in a roadhouse!
*Castiel - someone give the poor thing a cough drop
*Sam playing Pumpkin Carver
* "porn guy"
There is lots of evidence to support Anne Marie’s assertion that Dean is a good guy pretending to be a bad guy. For instance, the note he leaves for Sam is “SamMY don’t look for me.” That’s really giving Sam what he said he wants – to be free of his brother.
ReplyDeleteCould you elaborate on that?
Dean only calls Sam, Sammy as an endearment – that would appear to be affection slipping through.
Dean has used “Sammy” sarcastically even while fully human.
It’s true that the blood lust takes over, but he’s also aware of the demon watching and knows he can’t show weakness at that point.
Demon Dean seemed very confident that he could take any demon and why not.
Crowley does give us insight into what’s going on with Sam – he’s as much upset by Dean being with Crowley, choosing Crowley over him, as Sam is upset about Dean being a demon.
I did not get that vibe. After all, the brothers connected with each other at the end of season nine. Sam knows Dean is with Crowley because he is a demon.
Good episode but not much action. A good review and thank you very much for naming Jo Harvelle, finally! I think Demon!Dean is not exactly a demon. He's creepy but relaxed. I think Dean is not intended to do anything unless someone bothers him, like a hunter, a human, a demon... But at the same time, I think he has more power than we think, the example is in Cain. Moreover, I'm glad a lot that Sam is looking for his brother!!! The eighth season was ridiculous for Sammy. The stupid vet was unnecessary and caused a huge gap between the brothers. Anne Marie? I think she's another bitch on the show. A roadhouse waitress, blonde... You're right, she's Jo Harvelle except that Jo was not a whore and Anne Marie it is. I don't like the last conversation and the hypocrisy of Anne Marie. You just know a man, you only have sex with him and then you was talking about he is the good guy looking the bad guy... Really? Sorry, but she's not an interesting woman with personality. If they want an interesting woman with personality, they should resurrect Jo Harvelle, the only woman who loved Dean with the heart not because his physical. Cas... I don't know, I love Castiel but I bored a lot. The angels has lost much sense on the show. Castiel is still alive because he's one of the most beloved characters by the fans. I love him, but I see nothing of him very important now as happened in the season 8. They should give you a more interesting storyline. Although I like Hannah. Cole is pretty creepy too, I want to see a scene with Dean and Cole together. I don't believe exactly that Dean have a 'heart' for his brother or no even for Anne Marie. If Dean Winchester does not care that his brother die for another hunter, Dean Winchester is not human. The bond between them is very strong. It's interesting how he reacts when Crowley tells that Sam is looking for him. And somehow, Dean is doing the same as he did back seasons with Sammy, but now surrounded by demons. He's wild and dangerous, but I want to see the true face of this new Dean. I don't buy a Dean who is 'concerned' by an unknown girl but he does not care about his Sammy. I love him all cruel, evil and dangerous. It has not been the best start to a season of SPN but it was good. And of course, Jensen and Jared were perfect as usual.
ReplyDeletePat Benatar was an odd choice, but generally the Carver years have some good music cues.
ReplyDeleteSeason 8 we had Jethro Tull, Styx, Reverend Horton Heat, Soundgarder, The Animals, Bob Seger, The Doobie Brothers, Supertramp. Season 9 had George Thorogood and the Destroyers, more Doobie Brothers, AC/DC, Foreigner, Journey, Social Distortion, more Bob Seger, Ian Hunter, Billy Squire, Velvet Underground, Frankie Valli, Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Black Keys, Blind Faith.
Considering Cain was doing fine without feeding the mark, maybe there is no consequence other than maybe increased bloodlust. If that's the case Cain did have centuries to learn to keep under control.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was surprising they didn't bring any back other than Kripke to talk about the show. I mean Jim Beaver and Ben Edlund are right behind Gamble as being sorely missed in the retro.
ReplyDeleteThough with Gamble there are the rumors that she and the show parted on shitty terms so that might be the case, but Edlund and especially Beaver are still on good terms. Those two were even at a season 10 premiere party.
Thanks! Interesting that most people described Jo when she first appeared in much the same way you describe Anne Marie. Crowley did say that she was "damaged" - and we see that she was being abused. Personally, I felt sorry for her. I still think Dean did exactly the right thing with Cole. If you tell him you don't care about your brother and you're not coming, he has no leverage over you - not much point in killing Sam then. I definitely agree with you about the angel storyline. They just seem to have no idea what to do with them - it's the same thing over and over again...
ReplyDeleteThose might be good music cues (though I'd dispute quite a few ;)), but they aren't what I'd define as classic rock... at least not in the same vein as the Kripke years...
ReplyDeleteNot sure what you want elaborated? Even when he's being sarcastic, Dean uses "Sammy" when the brothers are close or when he's trying to connect with him. When they are really angry with each other, he uses Sam. In the face of Dean dying in his arms, Sam took back what he'd been insisting on for months. Dean had still been hurt by Sam not looking for him after Purgatory. What's going on now, should prove to Dean how much he really does mean to his brother so they can finally move past that - but right after his death, I'm betting that Dean did still feel that the vast majority of Sam would prefer him gone....
ReplyDeleteBut Cain had become a demon... However, I don't think the show ever reconciled how Dean could be so affected and need to kill but Cain was able to throw the blade away and live in relative peace for years....
ReplyDeleteI'd say it's more or less the same, exception being season 1, because they had more money to spend on music. The Kripke years used plenty of music cues that weren't exactly "classic rock." The Carver years are about on the level of Kripke's seasons 3-5 when it comes to classic rock.
ReplyDeleteNow what the criteria for classic rock might be different for me than you, but even looking at the songs in season 5 there are 8 classic rock songs, 10 if you want to count Warrant's "Cherry Pie" and Def Leppard's "Rock of Ages." Now you may not like some of the classic rock songs that Carver has used, and that's fine, but that doesn't them not be classic rock.
That’s really giving Sam what he said he wants – to be free of his brother
ReplyDeleteWhen did Sam say that? Why would demon Dean leaving Sam be some sort of self-sacrificing gesture?
I think that addressing the note to “Sammy” is mainly about Dean’s style of communicating that it’s “really him” rather than being a sign that demon Dean could be feeling some affection for Sam. I think Crowley would have left a similar note if he had tried to impersonate Dean.
but right after his death, I'm betting that Dean did still feel that the vast majority of Sam would prefer him gone....
Are you saying that’s the reason why demon Dean is so resistant to having any contact with Sam?
Given some of the other illogical, irrational, and plain bone-headed things S&D have done over the last couple of years, that hardly seems like a stretch....
ReplyDeleteWell, there is a bright to with the angels/Cas storyline, they are bringing back Claire Novak, Though Carver stupidly already said in an interview that Jimmy is dead and Cas is just walking around in his meat, which disappoints me. I loved the idea of Jimmy Novak still being trapped in his own body. Supernatural is a pessimistic and nihilistic show, so the idea of Jimmy living through this hell makes sense.
ReplyDeleteThis was the first Supernatural episode I couldn't wait till it ended. Just couldn't get into it. I'm getting so tired of the same story being re-told over and over again. Good Dean, bad Dean, good Sam, bad Sam, good angel, bad angel--arrrghhh.. Honestly, I think watching this entire season of Supernatural will be like going to hell and back. I think I might just binge watch next summer.
ReplyDeleteIts a shame the way the show treated Jo and Ellen, they never did much with them. I hated that they put them MIA for two year only to return to die. Where these days people like Jody and Charlie can survive for many seasons. I wished they never killed them off. Seems they had to kill off Ellen, because of Jo, but I feel Jody has basically been Ellen's replacement on the show.
ReplyDeleteWell, they were supposed to show up in season 3, but it didn't pan out. Another casualty of the writer's strike. Why they didn't show in season 4? Could have anything from scheduled to just not wanting use them. Ellen and Jo kind of had to die, they needed some real stakes for what was going to be the final season, I fully believe Bobby and Castiel would have stayed dead at the end of season 5 had it been the series finale.
ReplyDeleteActually, watching it again after Crowley tells Dean the mark needs to be sated otherwise, Dean cuts him off and says "Otherwise I'll turn into a demon, yeah I sort of got that 6 weeks ago." It was more a statement of sarcasm than fact, since he is a demon.
ReplyDeleteIt's pointless now. Everyone apparently read the scene wrong, Dean saying he'll become a demon, when Crowley said if the mark isn't fed was more sarcasm than exposition.
ReplyDeleteOf course, the other possibility is that everyone is right, and you are wrong.
ReplyDeletePretty positive you are wrong about them showing up in season 3, but it's common knowledge that everyone would have been dead and stayed that way if it had been the series finale.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely felt like the same old song to me too...
ReplyDeleteI think it was a good set up for where the show is going. We saw how Dean is now...he's still Dean, just a more reckless, i don't give a crap kind of Dean who no matter what, still won't let anyone hurt Sam. We saw how Crowley wants to work with Dean. We saw Sam do whatever it takes to find his brother, and we got the introduction of Cole, someone who apparently has been so wronged by Dean, he's willing to kill Sam to get to him. We also saw the angels still attempting some kind of order and saw how Cas is basically falling apart. It was a lot less action than some of the great season premieres, but a lot still happened and I still loved the episode
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome! But I think you've misunderstood me. I think Anne Marie is a poor version of Jo Harvelle. By the coincidences. Waitress at a roadhouse, blonde, beautiful... But let's get one thing clear, Jo Harvelle's personality is not the same personality of Anne Marie. Coincidences are similar but not their personalities. Jo is a million times better than Anne Marie. (And jo did not appear the first time like Anne Marie. The two appeared in the roadhouse, yes, sure, but Jo never appeared in Dean's bed. It's not the same.) Jo was a woman who respected herself and was a heroine who saved Dean's life several times. I don't know how far Anne Marie has been 'abused'. But don't confuse the words. A woman may have been damaged, but not be a bitch for that. And I think that Anne Marie is the typical girl who sleeps with the first man on the bar that she likes, though she has been abused, that we don't know exactly how much. I don't buy a relationship between two strangers who only had sex and then she seems to act with him as if Anne Marie believed that Dean would get her a wedding ring or a engagement. As for the rest, I hope we all enjoy what will happen this season. A greeting!
ReplyDeleteI think the same. It is a shame that Ellen and Jo died in that way. Personally, I like Charlie and Jody, but they do not add so much to the show and yet they are still alive. But Ellen and Jo were the best. They contributed many more things to SPN. They were hunters, warriors, intelligent and friends of the two brothers. (Even Jo was the perfect love for Dean) Ellen was like a second mother of Dean and Sam with great chemistry. Something that Jody can not overcome. They were perfect. I want them back alive!
ReplyDeleteTo be fair with Sera Gamble, she didn't take away Babe for the story, they had to to repair it.
ReplyDeleteActually, they had to keep a low profile for almost all of season 7 and that's why they couldn't drive her. Forgetting that they'd kept driving it for years when they were on the FBI's most wanted list... There was absolutely nothing wrong with the car.
ReplyDeleteI liked it as a all but I also have few reservations.
ReplyDeleteFirst, the angels, don't care but I finally accepted that that's the way it is now with spn,
I liked Sam ready to do anything for his brother, missed this Sam and he is welcome back, finally after 2 seasons.
Dean's scenes were funny and enjoyable. I didn't want Dean as a demon but since he is or supposed to be, I was hoping it would be all the way with a very mean demon. It looks like they chickened out and are afraid to show Dean as a bad guy, killing only other demons or fighting abusing boyfriend.
A demon who only drinks, sings, has sex, it's pathetic.
I hope it's only the first episode and we will see him showing a true demonic side, even killing for no reason. Hell Soulless Sam was more demonic than Deanmon !
If you feel this way do you think you are the appropriate person to be reviewing the show?
ReplyDeleteI am quite capable of putting personal biases aside and review on the merits of what's in front of me. There is no "rule" that says any review or critique must always be positive. I've been watching and writing about the show since the first season, so I think that does make me an appropriate person to review the show. Any review is simply an opinion. And of course, all opinions are welcome here.
ReplyDeletewhy not??, is it necessary to be a blind obsessive fan to make a good review??, the show has nothing else to say, everything is senseless mess, a ping-pong match between the brothers, now Dean is the one in trouble next season will be Sam and with the same freaking type of trouble Dean faced last season, first was Sam the demon or almost demon, now is Dean, and still you guys want more of this crap??, yeah I know Jared and Jensen are nice people and good actors, but c'mon!! it's time to move on, don't you want to see them in other projects??, maybe in a better network, please...
ReplyDeleteI wasn't criticizing or trying to be nasty. I am not, as the person above accused me of being, a blind obsessive fan. I know the show isn't perfect. I honestly wondered why you would take the time to review a show you don't seem to care that much about any longer. I will say knowing your feelings does make me less interested in your reviews because I do feel they are somewhat biased but as you said it is your opinion and I do respect all opinions. From the nasty tone of the person above though I doubt I will be back. Thank you for taking the time to responding.
ReplyDeleteNo sorry, it's not what I meant. Babe didn't need repair in the show but in real life. Jensen explained that they had to replace the motor to the cars because they had to change the sound of it in the show. Now we ear the real babe in the show. Yeah I know I don't explain very well because I know nothing about cars.
ReplyDeleteThis is straight from Carver:
ReplyDelete"Crowley is saying, 'I’m keeping you sharp by giving you demons to kill and that is sating the Mark because the Mark needs to be sated, and if you don’t sate the Mark, then the Mark eventually takes you over even more.' So [Dean's] on this knife’s edge of yes, the Mark has already turned Dean into a demon, so if you don’t sort of feed the beast, the Mark will potentially take you over even more."
When did Sam say that? Maybe when he didn't look for Dean after season seven, that offered a hint. Or maybe when last season he told Dean that, situations reversed, he would not try to save Dean. So, not literally word for word, but the message seems reasonably clear--at least to lead to someone with the self-esteem issues Dean has reaching that conclusion..
ReplyDeleteMaybe when he didn't look for Dean after season seven, that offered a hint.
ReplyDeleteI think it’s pretty clear that Sam had some sort of a breakdown.
8.08 Hunteri Heroici
[Stan opens another beer for himself.]
Sam: My, uh – my brother used to do that.
Stan: Yeah?
Sam: Yeah.
Stan: He a good guy?
Sam: Yeah. Yeah, uh, he – he was... the best. Uh, I, uh... I lost him, and, uh,
I ran.
There is no indication that Sam thinks “Finally, I’m free of Dean so I’m
not going to look for him.”
Or maybe when last season he told Dean that, situations reversed, he would not try to save Dean.
9.13 The Purge
Sam: I'll give you this much. You are certainly willing to do the sacrificing as long as you're not the one being hurt.
Dean: All right, you want to be honest? If the situation were reversed and I was dying, you'd do the same thing.
Sam: No, Dean. I wouldn't. Same circumstances...I wouldn't.
Sam does not say, “If you were dying, I wouldn’t try to save you.” Sam meant he would not have done what Dean did i.e. trick his brother into being possessed and lie about it.
Its a shame they never got to tell that story with Ellen, we could of had that instead of Ghost-busters. Its good to know they had planned Ellen to return in season 3 at least, if the strike didn't happen.
ReplyDeleteI like Charlie and Jody too, they are not that bad. But Ellen and Jo I felt had a better purpose in general, and why the Roadhouse had to be destroyed, I mean we got Bobby's place used so much and now they live in the man of letters place. I'm one of the few who loved the roadhouse it had purpose in general for hunters.
ReplyDeleteI guess if Jo was better received in season 2, and fans didn't scream love interest, they could of had a chance.
They also didn't have to have both Ellen and Jo dying, and kept one alive. I guess Jo surviving made better sense, she could of grown up heaps with Ellen's death motivating her to keep hunting, and it could of been interesting. Oh well whats done is done.
I hope they return someday, seeing as Bobby keeps getting overused once he died every season.
I so would love Ellen, Jo and Bobby, Mary and John playing a part in the last episode somehow from the afterlife. It would be perfect.
I will gladly announce that I loved this episode. I am glad to see Dean being shown as a different kind of character. I am very, very glad to see Sam back as the caring brother that he is supposed to be. I have been a faithful fan since the very beginning of this journey with the Winchester brothers and even though there have been weak spots, uneven pacing and some odd MOTW stories, still I know that real families and real siblings also go through times that are not only not perfect, but are downright difficult; when these things happen, you do not leave your family; you hang in there and celebrate when things start going right again. Well, things are going right again with "the boys" and I will cheer and look forward to the coming adventures. Yes, I will be there for the rest of this story. I will remain loyal and steadfast in my dedication to this story. But for those people that do not feel this way, I think you are doing yourself a great disservice in continuing to watch something that you do not enjoy or even like. I refuse to watch any show that fails to interest me, and I refuse to watch anything that bores me, especially if I am not invested completely in the entire cast. Find a show that you like and watch it instead of subjecting yourself to this show. Again, I love Supernatural!
ReplyDeleteThe reason the show has survived so long is not the story... oh God, no!! Definitely not the story! It is the chemistry between the two brothers. The love that they have for eachother, and the lengths they are willing to go to look out for one another. This season should be rather interesting as throughout the last ten years it has always Dean who has saved Sam, now Sam has to save Dean! As long as Charlie makes another appearance, I will keep on watching :D
ReplyDeleteFabulous review.
ReplyDeleteWell its just the start of the season, so I'll just let things unfold because its totally awesome anyway. From what Crowely mentioned he kind of used Dean's own demons, that is why he is 'twisted'. I do feel Dean is somewhat normal but he has some resistant to be a whole demon yet, due to that mark or Cain.
I do like that they shown Sam was looking for Dean. That was awful of that hunter to abduct Sam!. Castiel grace was dying away, he needs his original for the long term goal, that sucks. Crowley is always being a manipulative jerk!.
I hope Sam can get through to Dean!. Its was a awesome episode and I wanna see more :)