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POLL : What did you think of Person of Interest - Wingman?

8 Oct 2014

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138 comments:

  1. Aleana Harris8 October 2014 at 04:03

    I love Root

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  2. Linda Sabine Oleksa8 October 2014 at 04:03

    I hated that they made Fusco a doffus. Remember when he saved the super model?

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  3. DebraFan8 October 2014 at 04:12

    Hmm, that was expected. The writers took off their feet from the pedals after two highly intense episodes. Anyways, enjoyable stand alone episode with bits thrown in about the Machine's plans

    Parts I liked:

    Harold as Mr. Egret ( oh how he enjoyed playing the part).
    Reese and the new Captain - I liked all their scenes.
    We got to see another side to Reese and it was fun to see him be a proper detective.
    Shaw and Bear -love these two.

    The Machine's plan - collecting an arsenal and ill gotten money. Quite the mob boss it will make if it goes completely bonkers.

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  4. magnutude8 October 2014 at 04:14

    another awesome ep for me... everyone got a chance to play, Fusco playing undercover stud (and getting some payoff at the end), Reese relearning to play by the rules (and possibly gaining a possible future ally/interest in the new Captain), Shaw looking hot and kicking butt (even barefoot when she has to) and the enjoyable adventures of the Hottie and the mysterious calm/furious mode Mr Egret (which was a double pronged mission by the Machine to right some wrongs and still provide slyly gained resources for the Team - very creative) and even Bear! (though I would've loved to see Bear chew on a bad guy for a bit.. lol) Loved how the cotw turned out to be a resolution for both the Machine as well as the NYPD..... the season is really clicking like a well oiled...

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  5. Lyra Marlowe8 October 2014 at 04:14

    I might be wrong, but Amy Acker looks pregnant to me. I thought so from the promo pics before the season premiere (the one with her and Root walking down the street that quickly disappeared), but there was definitely a lot of blocking and tummy in this ep.

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  6. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 04:18

    Cute episode! Glad to have some Fusco time and the new Captain is likable too!


    Fun Little Bad Robot Stuff: Anthonydre Cooper (LOST), and Milo Jacobs (Alias, LOST) and Finch had some Ben Linus moments!


    Shaw and Root were awfully fun too! Can't wait to see what the missile will be used for!!!

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  7. Chandler Marlowe8 October 2014 at 04:19

    You hate something about Person Of Interest? Shocking!

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  8. migotka218 October 2014 at 04:22

    I'm almost sure Reese will play with the missile later.

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  9. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 04:23

    Good episode, after two clever and intense episodes, they take things more simple and fun. I like Fusco have more screen time, the Wingman storyline was weak, but see Lionel relax like that was hilarious. I love the add of Captain Moreno (I think she like detective Riley a lot, go Reese go) and her dynamic with Reese.


    The best part was Finch and Root plot, I like to see 'machine' point of view back (but I hope back to Samaritan point of view soon) and finally she complete her plan.


    Is incredible how fast they provide everything the 'team machine' needed in almost three episodes:


    1 - First new communications
    2 - Second new home ('The Subway)
    3 - Guns and money


    Let the war begins.

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  10. Chandler Marlowe8 October 2014 at 04:38

    The gangsters sitting in the police station with their knees bandaged was priceless.

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  11. ShatteredOne8 October 2014 at 05:17

    How can anyone hate anything about Person of Interest? Except the fact that Bear doesn't get enough screen time, that's the only thing.

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  12. SacrificeSam8 October 2014 at 05:27

    Really POI??? This Captain is a "poor" new Joss Carter replacement.

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  13. Shooting Thepast8 October 2014 at 06:06

    I'm surprised Finch took the money. It's dirty but clean at the same time. I thought the ethics behind it would be against his better judgement. I would have just taken the monitors/tvs. lol

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  14. TheFusco8 October 2014 at 06:24

    Why were Elias, Greer, Garrison and Scarface all in the Press Release?

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  15. Candice M8 October 2014 at 07:02

    Nice episode. I'm starting to warm up to Root. Maybe by the end of the season, I can tolerate her regular status.

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  16. SRJ8 October 2014 at 07:10

    And I'm pretty sure the d-word is spelt with 2 "O"s & 1 "F" :)

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  17. SHIELDNCISArrowfan8 October 2014 at 07:40

    The new captain is from the Dark knight as a bad gotham cop...........guess the producer like to cast from Nolan films

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  18. AnnoDomini8 October 2014 at 08:05

    Remember when he saved the POI from getting beat up tonight?


    Remember when he used his cufflinks on his and the POI's handcuffs?


    How was Fusco made out to be a doofus?

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  19. SRJ8 October 2014 at 08:26

    Given that the producer IS a Nolan who worked on those films, so it isn't all that surprising...

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  20. SRJ8 October 2014 at 08:27

    Quite a lot of folks have taken photos on set with her over the past couple of months, and there's been no stories about her possibly being pregnant at all...

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  21. SRJ8 October 2014 at 08:28

    That's Linda for ya. She has a totally different interpretation of how the show plays out its storylines...

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  22. Meg1238 October 2014 at 09:11

    Pathetic how the producers are desperately trying to win back it's former fandom by those Season 1 like episodes.

    They shouldn't have played bait and switch with us and killed off Det. Carter.

    Even more pathetic what' s up with all that precinct stuff? Wasn't Det. Carter killed off to get rid of all that????
    Now they are playing Cop drama all over again???

    What a bunch of liars. this former fan will never return.
    I voted "AWFUL"

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  23. SRJ8 October 2014 at 09:22

    "Even more pathetic what' s up with all that precinct stuff? Wasn't Det. Carter killed off to get rid of all that????"



    No, that was to end the storyline with HR. These are GOOD COPS.

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  24. Meg1238 October 2014 at 09:45

    Oh come on, do you really believe that?

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  25. Meg1238 October 2014 at 09:50

    Her views make lots of sense to me, but not every "smart viewer" may get it since they are so full of themselves...

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  26. SRJ8 October 2014 at 10:02

    Yeah. Not all that complicated...

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  27. SRJ8 October 2014 at 10:03

    'Her views make lots of sense to me.'
    SHOCKING.

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  28. Nitro8 October 2014 at 10:36

    I liked this episode. It was less intensive than the first two but it was entertaining. POI is so gloomy that the series needs a brighter episodes.

    One thing: Chappy was really good. Very versatile acting without overacting. KC seems acting by instinct. It always look so natural. Instinct and skill together.

    I wonder where all those money came. Expected massive shooting scenes.

    Last, Fusco runs faster than I expected.

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  29. Mudpie4118 October 2014 at 11:54

    From the looks of the poll, a lot of people hate things about the current state of POI.

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  30. Mudpie4118 October 2014 at 11:59

    Some people will swallow any crap this show throws at them.

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  31. Mudpie4118 October 2014 at 12:03

    That's cuz Finch isn't Finch anymore. They've morphed all those fantastic characters into two-dimensional cartoons since they brought on Nolan's precious catwoman.

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  32. Mudpie4118 October 2014 at 12:06

    I loved Root when she was Finch's Moriarty--when Finch could still do genius things. Now she's just unbelievable nonsense. That kind of crazy doesn't just become "good". I can't suspend reality that far. They may as well be asking me to watch Once Upon A Time.

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  33. Tomáš Petrík8 October 2014 at 12:52

    I didn't think of her as any attempt to replace Carter.
    I just wonder what her place in the story will be.

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  34. Linda Sabine Oleksa8 October 2014 at 12:53

    My deepest apologies. I hate that they made Fusco a DOOFUS.

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  35. Danny8 October 2014 at 13:01

    Already sick of Captain Moreno. Please let her die a fast death. This show has more than enough stupid women, who needs another bland female character.

    I thought last Season was bad, but those three episodes i watched so far: simply awful.

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  36. Danny8 October 2014 at 13:02

    EXACTLY.

    We don't need her on the show.

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  37. Danny8 October 2014 at 13:03

    They turned Finchy into a pathetic cry baby. I hate it.

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  38. Danny8 October 2014 at 13:07

    The new captain, detective riley, of course Shaw. Root, Finch. It all sucks.

    The EP's somehow turned insane and continue with the awful story telling of Season 3.

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  39. Paxnos8 October 2014 at 13:36

    I wouldn't come to a conclusion based on one episode with her in it

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  40. Paxnos8 October 2014 at 13:37

    I think it was an OK episode. It was clear this episode would hit a lighter tone and - overall - I think it was decent. It was like 75% another one for the "procedural" faction, but that's what they did last season as well.

    Not sure what to think of the Captain, but I think it's far too early to start hating on a character that appeared for the first time. I hope they do something interesting with ther, though. You know, flesh out her character. Reese learning how to do "police work" was nice.



    I actually liked the interactions in this episode. The Machine was rude, though, the way she played Finch. However, they did get some needed resources, so I guess he'll be able to swallow it. At least the resources are now used for a good cause, even though I'm sure Finch would prefer not to that dirty stuff.

    I loved how Finch tried to act like that badass person he impersonated.


    The number case was ok but nothing too surprising. I'm looking forward to some cases with some emotional and complicated cases (seems I'm in luck, next week's episode might be just that).
    Fusco really had a lot of screen time and this was needed. I like who he has become - and he does have polic skills. I don't think they made him look dumb.


    Let's see what next week's case delivers. I'm kinda waiting for mid-season so we get some plot development but I'm trying to enjoy the procedural episodes as well. ;)

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  41. norma8 October 2014 at 13:38

    Then stop watching it!!!

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  42. ViKi8 October 2014 at 13:41

    And who are these stupid women, you say?

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  43. nikkyfleming8 October 2014 at 14:07

    Then why are you here commenting on it? Why are you watching it? Why are you whining about it constantly? Carter is dead. Get over it.

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  44. nikkyfleming8 October 2014 at 14:12

    Yet you keep watching.

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  45. oppyu8 October 2014 at 14:23

    Is that something that people are still complaining about?


    Also, 'former' fan? So you're either commenting on a show you watch, or watching a show you no longer enjoy.

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  46. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 14:25

    I guess they are intentionally misleading us!

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  47. oppyu8 October 2014 at 14:28

    Is every tough female cop going to be lumped in as a poor Joss Carter replacement? Because I think that would make every female cop a poor Joss Carter replacement.

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  48. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 14:32

    But you did return, because you watched the episode and took the time to tilt the poll by voting awful!


    Yes there are parallels to season one---it's called good writing. Season 4's in a lot of shows tend to be either game changers or resets (Alias, Lost, Fringe), but it is not the "exact" same as season one, because the characters are under much different circumstances with Samaritan and because they have Shaw and Root.


    It's a way to compare and contrast to see how far the characters have come and to call back to old favorites and/or re-confront old issues. Now if you don't like retreading under different circumstances, that's your right, but to say the writers are somehow liars, especially this only being the 3rd episode in seems premature and out of line.

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  49. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 14:37

    She could end up being a love interest for Fusco--or there could be a catch about whom she really is. I didn't feel like they were trying to replace Carter, as much to go back that season one feel, which could be about re confronting old issues. She could turn out to be unique in her own way. Stories and new characters deserve time to unfold.

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  50. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 14:40

    Someone took a pic with her just yesterday during filming. Doesn't look pregnant at all.

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  51. TXGeek8 October 2014 at 14:43

    I know, right? Because it's hard to believe that there are Carter fans who still watch POI and are trying to get with this new direction, but haven't been impressed yet. It makes more sense that the "disgruntled" Carter fans (many of whom gave up the POI ghost a while ago) are trying to sink this show.

    Yeah, that makes sense.

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  52. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 14:48

    Carter was killed because Taraji didn't want a long term engagement with the show anyway.

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  53. AEF8 October 2014 at 14:57

    Nope nope nope. Carter was killed because Nolan wanted her off the show. He had found his "catwoman." He never wanted to write for her. Tassler pushed him to make her more prominent and out she eventually went.

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  54. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:00

    I agree. I think all the disgruntled fans should shut up and stop watching. Imagine what the ratings would be like then? LOL They're bad now-can you imagine how much more they'd tank if us Carter fans went away?

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  55. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:02

    Either way the show sucks and the pathetic attempts to pander to disgruntled viewers isn't working.

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  56. Bradley Adams8 October 2014 at 15:05

    Yeah, you said it in the roundtable and yes you were right. Good call.

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  57. oppyu8 October 2014 at 15:06

    I didn't think they were trying to pander... but sure internet person, whatever.

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  58. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:08

    But here's the thing- instead of the characters moving forward they've moved so far backwards that they're unrecognizable now. The writing on this show WAS good at one point but lately it's lazy, boring and full of gaping holes. These parallels to season one are nothing more than an attempt to regain disgruntled viewers before they go full steam with the AI story at many people complained about last season. Nolan had been clear that's what season 4 will focus on.

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  59. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:08

    Do you really want the show to lose even more viewers??

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  60. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 15:09

    They aren't trying to pander to anyone disgruntled, if anything, the in-jokes that have been present in Episodes 1 and 3 show that they're writing for the fans who still like it.

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  61. oppyu8 October 2014 at 15:09

    So I'm fairly certain Mudpie411 and this new account registered a short while ago to agree with Mudpie411 are the same person. Maybe even Meg123.

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  62. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 15:10

    Where do you get this stuff? I read tons of interviews and such about it and not one has said this nonsense. Who the heck is this "catwoman" and why do you call her that?

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  63. SRJ8 October 2014 at 15:13

    Tassler mentioned the word "Catwoman" once in her interview (referring to Shaw) & these folks are being vultures over it.

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  64. oppyu8 October 2014 at 15:15

    Are you really that concerned with how the show does in the ratings? Even if we want the show to survive, it doesn't explain why people who seemingly started hating the show midway through last season are still complaining about what happened midway through last season.

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  65. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:20

    So the head of CBS tv made that whole thing up? That Nolan assured her killing Carter was okay because he'd found his catwoman?

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  66. Meg1238 October 2014 at 15:20

    Well i can't speak for these other people, but i am unique!

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  67. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:21

    You've obviously not read a lot if you have no idea that Shaw is the catwoman of the show. Taraji even dressed up as catwoman last year in an apparent dig at the show. But you cheerleaders will just dismiss that as coincidence I'm sure.

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  68. SRJ8 October 2014 at 15:22

    I don't think that at all. But folks seem to cling on to the fact that Shaw was brought in only to replace Carter, rather than the fact that Carter's chapter was closed because they wanted to close the book on HR too.

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  69. AEF8 October 2014 at 15:22

    Me too Meg. It must be hard for them to see more than one critical viewer on here.

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  70. Robert Fruin8 October 2014 at 15:27

    Why so many votes for "awful" whilst not an amazing episode , it was still enjoyable.

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  71. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 15:28

    I still don't know what the heck you mean about the cat-woman.

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  72. Meg1238 October 2014 at 15:29

    They call us cry babies yet all they do is complain about us posting critism about a once great show.
    They should get over it.

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  73. AvonleaMist8 October 2014 at 15:29

    From the inexplicable number of "awful" votes for the brilliant Person of Interest I would say a whole lot of people call a Mr. Greer their boss.

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  74. Robert Fruin8 October 2014 at 15:33

    So if they got rid of all the precinct stuff what would happen to Fusco , they just completely write him out?. Just because Carter died , doesn't mean they should scrap the whole police force altogether. Carter wasn't the only detective in the precinct.

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  75. AvonleaMist8 October 2014 at 15:34

    Bye-bye.

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  76. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 15:34

    Also, you do realize there were 15 episodes between the introduction of Shaw and Carter's death right? And that Carter was a lot more prominent than Shaw for most of them?
    Shaw, for all her ass kicking, is mostly minor - she hasn't had much of an arc, and only Relevance and Razgovor have been centered on Shaw's character.

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  77. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 15:35

    IMO character development means you have to hit stumbling blocks, resets, role reversal's, ect. For instance we have never seen Finch like this. He's having real issues with what he has built and he's wondering if it was ever really the right thing---Root is now in a more Hero-esque role, because she's the one who's trying to give Harold his faith back---that is complete opposite to their relationship to when they were introduced. Shaw has become a real team player so there is progress there too. Reese has bounced back to some version of his previous self. Much like Root, he's trying to keep it all from falling apart, which those two character are ever rarely in parallel either!


    Well I love that the show can have both blasts from the past-episodic like episodes, but also continue on with their double AI story.


    Like I always say. Not your cup of tea, don't watch it.

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  78. Fluffy Bunny8 October 2014 at 15:42

    Got invaded by a bunch of trolls who because they killed Carter off last season decide that every episode without Carter is awful lol . Pretty Sad!

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  79. SRJ8 October 2014 at 16:00

    Even Greer wouldn't tolerate such nonsense.

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  80. DebraFan8 October 2014 at 16:13

    @SRJ @Fluffy Bunny Ahem!! Seems as if cynical trolls have invaded the comment section whining again and again about Carter's death, threatening to quit and being gleeful at an imagined ratings slide if they stop watching the show. What a fucking sense of entitlement. And here I naively thought that there would be jovial discussions on Harold as Mr Egret and Fusco being Fusco *SMH*

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  81. Chandler Marlowe8 October 2014 at 16:25

    Straw man. No one called you a cry baby...

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  82. Bradley Adams8 October 2014 at 16:36

    My exact words when Root said about them finding a use for it was "I'm sure John will find a use for it."

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  83. steve20138 October 2014 at 16:42

    But your still here comenting on an episode you must of watched

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  84. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 16:45

    People overreacting like this all the time is so boring.

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  85. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 16:45

    I think a love interest for Reese, both are very close in this episode.

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  86. Robert Fruin8 October 2014 at 16:47

    Sad indeed.

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  87. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 17:00

    "Pathetic how the producers are desperately trying to win back its former fandom by those Season 1 like episodes." Nope, POI always had episodes like this in all seasons so far, not just because they wish to remember season 1. About the cops after the fall of H.R., I think they're worthy the trust, after all mob bosses like Elias will rise to power now that Simmons and his boss are out of the game.

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  88. DarkUFO8 October 2014 at 17:08

    I have removed a number of the troll accounts and banned them. They all appeared to be the same person posting until various sockpuppet accounts.

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  89. ‾jay8 October 2014 at 17:13

    Season 4 is more like Season 1 and 2 than Season 3. So weird that you cant see that.

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  90. ‾jay8 October 2014 at 17:17

    Carter wasn't a Captain so not sure how she would be the replacement. If anything Reese is her replacement but that is not how I see it.

    Every time any female is on the show this comparison is made, its getting old.

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  91. ‾jay8 October 2014 at 17:20

    Stop thinking rationally !!

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  92. Gaelle8 October 2014 at 17:21

    I really have to wonder - if some of you are so angry at the show for not being what you used to love, why are you still watching it? It's obviously not your thing anymore. Just drop it instead of being stuck in this loop of bitterness.

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  93. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 17:31

    I think that would be too predictable... One of things I liked was that Reese was giving Fusco credit, where he really wasn't earning it--or at least not for what he was suppose to be earning it for, but the Captain went out her way to show her appreciation to Fusco too!

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  94. ‾jay8 October 2014 at 17:38

    Yep..Also look into the three letter combos of AEF, SRJ...there is a few other combos that seem to be always talking to each other.

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  95. Alexandra Devereaux8 October 2014 at 17:46

    Apparently you've banned me. I see you didnt do any actual homework because I am not some sock troll puppet. Just me, myself and I here. Is this now just a cheerleader page? The ratings and poll above show people aren't happy with the direction of the show. Does it scare you that much to ban criticism? Banning people because they don't agree with you takes all credibility away from your page.

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  96. Alexandra Devereaux8 October 2014 at 17:50

    Carter's death was set in motion around the time Shahi appeared. FYI-try googling catwoman

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  97. Mudpie4118 October 2014 at 18:11

    Like X 1000, Linda.

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  98. Shooting Thepast8 October 2014 at 18:12

    I wouldn't say he's a cry baby. Ever since the Machine asked him to kill McCourt he's lost faith in the Machine. With that he's also lost a lot more...his anonymity. He has to be someone now.

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  99. SRJ8 October 2014 at 18:33

    Jason? Didn't know you joined in here! Glad to see another familiar face...

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  100. Linda Sabine Oleksa8 October 2014 at 18:40

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you why I'm still here in two words: Ashley Seaver.


    Ashley was a character introduced to replace two well-liked female characters on "Criminal Minds" some years ago. Nina Tassler was one of the deciders behind that replacement decision. It was a disaster. The fans complained, loud, long and bitterly, and the ratings dropped like a rock.


    At the end of that season, TPTB admitted (at least to themselves) that they'd been wrong, and performed a major course correction. Ashley was shipped off. The two popular characters returned. The fans stopped complaining (well, mostly) and the ratings improved. The show continued.


    So I'm here, complaining, because it's my desperate belief that TPTB are watching this site and others like it. That Nina Tassler in particular is looking at the complaints and (probably more importantly) looking at the numbers, and that some time in the near future she will march into the EP's office and say, "Look. We let you do it your way. This is the result. It is unsustainable. We're changing course. Now. If you don't like it, there's the door."


    I'm here because I hope this show can be saved.

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  101. Lou_ell_ah8 October 2014 at 19:20

    Good call sir,,,

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  102. Ericsmoll8 October 2014 at 19:47

    "Wingman" - what a perfect title. Each having a wingman no matter where they went, even Bear.

    *Loved how the Machine sent each off in a diff direction and yet they all wound up working the same case.
    *Finch channeling his inner Ben Linus 'er, Eggret !
    *Reece & nicotine patched Captain cleaning house
    *Shaw & Bear
    *the Machine's way of bankrolling our broke hero's

    I like how our Undercover Hero's are truly UNDERCOVER !

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  103. kindaoffkilter8 October 2014 at 19:47

    I actually thought this episode was a rework of Lady Killer from season three--same writer, MUCH better episode, but hardly a season one reboot. How the hell is it season one-ish?

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  104. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 19:48

    I disagree, I think he will date a girl that have any kind of relation to cops activities, like that girl Ronda on season 2.

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  105. João Paulo8 October 2014 at 19:53

    Yes, I agree with you, they relate to season 1 because of the simple case of the week, but like you said is very similar to Lady Killer style, very dynamic, fast, fun and good.

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  106. Bradley Adams8 October 2014 at 19:54

    Ah, good point. I hadn't picked up on it being a better version than Lady Killer.

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  107. Panos Nestoras8 October 2014 at 20:24

    Another excellent episode! It was great to have a lighter episode this week and Fusco was hilarious. I also really liked Root and Finch's storyline which provided us with some great scenes from Michael Emerson.

    I am really annoyed with all the trolls voting awful for this episode. Carter's death, though sad, hasn't affected at all the quality of the show, in fact some of my favourite episodes were after her death. This show is getting better every season and is currently my favourite since Breaking Bad ended.

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  108. Paxnos8 October 2014 at 20:28

    Plus, it's kinda funny how there's lots of complaints of the show 1) Never doing episodes in Season 1 style and 2) If there is something similar to S1, there are complaints about doing so as well.
    I'm glad I don't have to be a showrunner.

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  109. Paxnos8 October 2014 at 20:36

    Thank you for your text - it was very interesting to read! I'm curious - imagine if you were Nina Tassler and meeting with producers and writers - what exactly would you suggest (and why)? Even though we have different opinions (I love many aspects you dislike - I think the S2 finale was, at that point, the best batch of episodes; I liked S3 very much and am ok with both Root and Shaw), I'd be very interested to see actual discussion going on and get both sides talking to each other. Isn't this what comment sections are actually made for? :)

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  110. playdoc8 October 2014 at 21:08

    This was an enjoyable and fun episode. I liked seeing more of Fusco in this episode. He even got some character development along the way (i.e., dating again, some mentions about his personal life and son, etc.) . It was nice to see Fusco enjoying himself, even as he struck out so much with the ladies. I like that Fusco can be so resourceful (i.e., picking the handcuff locks with the cufflinks).

    Loved that Bear has been (believably) integrated into the team's operations more. Shaw's best relationship on the show is with Bear, in my opinion.

    I really enjoyed Finch as Mr. Egret. He should really pull out that alias for more missions.

    I also liked seeing Reese doing actual good detective work. I would've been a lot more peeved if the show made it so hard for Reese to assume the Detective Riley cover identity, when we know Reese has been a spy, and should be pretty good at assuming new aliases.

    I also liked the Machine's roundabout, below-the-radar, way of helping out the Team. So far, every episode has the Machine stocking up and prepping the Team to be able to not only survive, but possibly go up against Samaritan's team. I'm hoping future episodes has Team Machine getting more allies to help it against Samaritan, esp. since we know Samaritan has been actively recruiting all this time.

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  111. Ericsmoll8 October 2014 at 21:08

    Then :

    Stop watching
    Stop criticizing
    And stop posting here

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  112. EraYachi8 October 2014 at 21:14

    'That precinct stuff'? ....You do realize that the precinct is what they call the area/region/division of the NYPD they work for, right? It's a noun. Carter worked for (and Fusco current works for the 8th Precinct of the NYPD. Maybe you're getting that word mixed up with, say, the 2-season long story arc about HR...which ended when Carter died.

    A nice character was killed off, and her actor has moved onto what she wants to do in life. This happens. All the time. Cops get killed, and more often than not, it's good cops who are killed. I have no doubt Fusco's days are numbered, too.

    If you honestly want a TV show where everything stays the same, and characters never develop or die, go stick to NCIS. Post season 4, that show has been nothing but fanservice and writers too afraid to create arcing storylines with any long-term impact. Which is what PoI is, by the way, and has been since episode 1.

    If PoI ever became a show where characters didn't die, and the heroes always won, and were invulnerable/immortal, and did the same damn thing every episode with little variation...that's when her 10 million viewers will stop watching.

    I voted 'WONDERFUL", because only 20% of my love for this show was dedicated to Carter. there's still 80% (and growing again) left and that's more than enough.

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  113. Ariel Dahan8 October 2014 at 21:21

    I googled it, and I'm impressed at how stupid it all sounds. No offense, but if you choose to cherry pick quotes while ignoring the fact that the guy who killed Carter is the same one who made her awesome is ridiculous.


    Also, hanging on to the term "his catwoman" still makes no sense. It's not a real expression. He used it to convey a concept, one that clearly went over the head of those who keep using the term catwoman in terms of Shaw (not least of which is the fact that she's turned out to not be like Catwoman in role at all.)

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  114. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 21:42

    it's a juxtaposition of Lady Killer, which means it's thematic, not necessarily retooling. This episode didn't feature the three woman who are the most important to Reese--which is what helped drive Carter's death.

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  115. kindaoffkilter8 October 2014 at 22:59

    Well, I used "rework" (not retooling) due to several comments saying this episode was a bad attempt at going back to season one kind of episodes---and I said it was NOT a reboot of season one.

    I don't see how Lady Killer's featuring three women helped drive Carter's death in the slightest. It was nearly a stand alone in the HR plot.

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  116. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 23:19

    You did. I misread, my bad.


    All three of those woman represent a different aspect of Reese: Zoe - His taste, disposition, and his aesthetic. Shaw his past, his strength, his occupation. Carter his good will and his humanity, his soul. To see them together in one place was a rare things


    The episode title foreshadows the fact that one of those three will die--the most important part of Reese and how sad it is, because this is one of last times we see Carter like that...

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  117. DarthLocke48 October 2014 at 23:28

    There's also the possibility that Henson wanted out. She claimed on one of the late shows that it was written this way from the beginning sighting that she was more of a "movie" actor and didn't want to be bogged down.


    Personally I think it served the story well. Carter's death paves the way for our female assassins Root and Shaw (whom I think both are Nolan-Catwoman-ish), because her death was realization about just how dangerous this reality is. The whole game changed with Decima and Samaritan--we need to people like Root and Shaw to protect others...

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  118. Linda Sabine Oleksa9 October 2014 at 00:39

    Thank you for this comment, as well.


    I would start by making everyone sit in a room and watch the Season 1 episodes, repeatedly. I would ask them to get to know their characters again -- the characters they started with. Then. every time they make an out-of-character move with a character, I want them to explain to everyone in the room WHY that person would make that change. In Season 3 Finch started meeting every Number face-to-face. Why? The answer would be, because we needed someone to explain what's going on. "It's exposition -- it has to go somewhere." Unless you are Mel Brooks and writing a comedy, this is unacceptable. Write better. Find a way.


    Second, I would insist that they stop writing backwards. There have been multiple instances where they clearly started with a cool idea (Wouldn't it be cool if we ...) or a big explosion already in the can, and worked the story backward to put the characters there. (Reese & Shaw flipping the sports car off the bridge is a prime example. Yes, it was a very cool shot. No, it was not realistic and did not make any sense.) Any conversation that starts with, "Wouldn't it be cool if ... " should be met with a sharp smack with a fresh fish.


    Third, no more hand-waving. This show set out to capture the smartest viewers out there, and succeeded. So if you put the gymnast in the cage with the Bible, 1) make her put some damn gloves on and 2) figure out how she gets out. Again, the EP's said that Carter died for "realism", so stop doing blatantly unrealistic things.


    Finally -- the show started out being about ordinary people. People who were worth saving not because they were rich or powerful or smart or extraordinary in any way -- except that they WERE, because as Nathan said, everybody's relevant to someone. The show has forgotten that. It was the thing that made the show different and special, and they'd just dropped it in the ditch.


    Honestly, I think they need a cynic in the room who has some authority. Someone who listens to the ideas and says, "Okay, tell me why" or "Okay, tell me how". And if there is no realistic, believable answer, then no, that's not happening. "But we can just fade out then ..." -- here's your fish.


    The bottom line is, the writers used to be really, really clever. Remember in S1 how we would study every line, every screen cap, every detail? There were clues, and they were important, and the writers trusted us to get them. But then, in and after Relevance, it got to be about gun fights and explosions and gimmicks. So I would urge them to throw away the big book of tropes and get back to the dead clever stories I know they can tell.

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  119. mrother9 October 2014 at 00:49

    Somebody doesn't like your polls.

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  120. Dahne9 October 2014 at 01:19

    I stopped watching when Root became a major player, so I don't have a horse in this conversation. However, this is one of the best wrriten pieces about course correcting a show I have read on this site. It was well-thought out and persuasive. Kudos for defending your right to not like a show anymore and yet still watch in hopes that it will get better. People who denounce the critical as non-fans and tell them to stop watching sometimes miss the point.

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  121. kindaoffkilter9 October 2014 at 01:21

    I see what you're going with re:the title, but the more obvious reasons for the title feel much sounder to me. Nor did I think they were presented as all his potential love interests--*Shaw*, REALLY?! I don't view the show as Reese story-centric in all things, and the idea that the women were presented there as some kind of showcasing of "Reese's women" is just ... horrifying to me. I tend to think all of the characters involved would feel similarly about that label.

    Anyway, I see you mostly want to put out that meta, but I don't see how it's a juxtaposition of Wingman in a Reese centric or love-interest manner, more thematically similar like you said earlier.

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  122. DarthLocke49 October 2014 at 01:36

    It's a juxtaposition to Wingman because both are about dating and/or womanizing in relation to a number the machine gives them, but about different characters in different situations. As you said, It's similar kind of episode with similar subject matter, but not exact, so that is "juxtaposing" a theme/idea, especially since they are also both episode three's as well. (so it's not a coincidence)


    Also my definition of love interests doesn't mean they are "his" woman, as much as they each share an aspect of him, which he can relate to...It's not about ownership, but relativity and/or potentiality. Shaw and Reese also have their moments and I think their friendship is building...


    I'm not saying that Reese is all centric all the time, but that's also not to say that he and Finch are more comparative to other characters through the whole series simply because the show started and continues with them. That episode just was like a little tiny dime in the bucket in terms of future possibilities for Reese, because of the way things ended up working out. But it's absolutely fine if you disagree. :)

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  123. AlwaysBones9 October 2014 at 03:08

    Well goodness, go pout in your room. God forbid that you should be open to any alternative that doesn't contain Joss Carter. Talk about crybabies. I still find the show interesting, entertaining and fun. I wasn't crazy about Root, but she's kinda growing on me. And I enjoyed the spiky start to Reese and the captain's interactions. He's flirted with a lot of the female characters and they all seem to enjoy our silver fox. And Carter never dated Reese anyway. He had more romantic sparks with Zoe.

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  124. AlwaysBones9 October 2014 at 03:21

    Or else two or three naysayers are coming back as "guests" over and over to make it SEEM like a lot of people. Most of the negatives are made by 2 or 3 people and a lot of "guest" votes. Hmmm....

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  125. hitcher guide9 October 2014 at 05:26

    Still going on about that? Aren't you Linda too?

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  126. Linda Sabine Oleksa9 October 2014 at 14:02

    Yes, I forgot to change my login here. Sorry. And you are?

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  127. João Paulo9 October 2014 at 14:41

    My thoughts exactly, Showrunners suffer to keep her own ideas and make things that some fans appreciate in the same time.

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  128. Rich Abey9 October 2014 at 18:23

    Hooray. Bear is finally getting some regular screen time (that's 3 episodes in a row now).
    - Fusco. Oh Fusco. Sometimes I do wonder whether he really is just pretending to not know how to be charming, cause when gets into gear like at the episodes end or when he saved that model last season, he's a force to be reckoned with. Hope his date turns out to be something more cause Fusco sure is due for some love.
    - Biggest surprise: Finch's two sides/dangerous alter-ego. Hilarious stuff!
    - Is there a more adorable and sexy(in the case of the former) crime fighting pair than Shaw & Bear? Not to mention one of the most deadly too.

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  129. prpleight10 October 2014 at 11:41

    I just flat out loved this episode. Harold is a pretty good actor. :-) Egret could be kind of intimidating. It's starting to feel like the Machine is planning for war. Wasn't overly fond of the actor playing the POI. He was too...um...contained for my taste. I've never seen Fusco exhibit the hand to hand moves he used to deal with the drunk boyfriend. In this world where TV producers insist on putting almost every woman on TV in 5 inch spike heels...I was thrilled that Shaw kicked off her shoes before chasing after the bad guys.

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  130. prpleight10 October 2014 at 11:46

    I never got that vibe at all (that she was replacing Joss Carter) Didn't even occur to me. I got the sense that the character was about getting Reese fully on board with his new role as police officer. These first few episodes of the season have felt like they're about getting the audience and the characters adjusted to their new worlds. The jobs, the change in resources, Finch forgiving The Machine. My impression was that she was part of that agenda and that we'd only see her occasionally if ever again.

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  131. BonesForever10 October 2014 at 17:24

    I know. I find that hilarious. Guess she and her buddies just can't stop obsessing over the show. Gotcha in spite of yourself! Hah!

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  132. DarthLocke410 October 2014 at 18:54

    About the idea that the show has to go somewhere...


    It is. Just because we are touching on things we have seen before, doesn't mean it's a total reset and we have run out of ideas...Most bad robot shows tend to hit a metaphysical chord, meaning there is usually "fate" and spiritual progress featured in their works---and the only way you can see that is to go back, reconfront, and compare.


    Granted POI has had its roots (pun intended) grounded more in contemparary reality, meaning the metaphysics has been mostly none existent.


    However last season they chose to touch on it with Harold and Root both talking about it in relation to guy Root was protecting, so--it implies viewers are suppose to think about the concept of fate in this reality, even if we won't get a real answer. I expect to show to end on a pro humanism note, which could be equivalent to spiritual human progress...


    The fact that characters are up against Sumatran and have to be off grid and still try to both physically and spiritually/morally march on, is very different than how they ever operated, but the show is smart to go back to some earlier season related things, because realistically people like the Mob and Elias DO still exist---they don't go away just because there is Decima and Samaritan! --Most likely there is connection to Sumaritan and/or Decima with the Mob/Brotherhood and it will intersect at some point.


    Also going back to precinct does not only keep part of the feel of the shows origins alive, it offers an opportunity to develop Fusco, since this his "home" domain. And I am all for more Fusco development!


    Also the argument about backwards writing, isn't. What I mean is that every character and characters at different times offers a perspective and by offering different ones, makes the show interesting, because it makes one question what the "real" truth is about it's subject matter and that is philosophically challenging and makes what they are all doing and going through harder and more human IMO.

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  133. BonesForever10 October 2014 at 19:11

    OK, you guys are at it again. The infamous 4, Mudpie, Danny, Linda and Meg and 11 guest votes. This is getting tedious, really. Try not to be so obvious....

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  134. BonesForever10 October 2014 at 19:14

    It's our resident trolls at work again. Every woman who comes on the show now to interact in any way with the team is a "poor Joss replacement," according to them.

    Give me a break, Kara and Control were women too. Maybe the captain is a replacement for Control, and not Joss, or not for anyone, just a new character.

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  135. Tommy Townsend12 October 2014 at 03:26

    Actually, i highly suspect that the subway base was set up even before Samaritan went online

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  136. Tommy Townsend12 October 2014 at 03:27

    I think that is a rather narrow view of how the police department works

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  137. João Paulo12 October 2014 at 15:03

    I agree and make sense, after all the machine is preparing for this moment since the beginning of season three.

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  138. SHIELDNCISArrowfan13 October 2014 at 22:53

    damn 277 people vote awful what the hell!

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