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POLL : What did you think of Person of Interest - Brotherhood?

15 Oct 2014

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53 comments:

  1. DebraFan15 October 2014 at 04:09

    Another amazing episode. S4 is firing on all cylinders.



    Favorite moments:



    Every Shaw scene.
    Reese being his usual badass/savior self.
    Dominic's reveal - he is one cool, scary customer. Popping that crooked DEA agent like nothing. And poor Shaw got completely played. Also nice parallel to John getting played by Elias way back in S1


    Harold and Elias - is there some kind of foreshadowing being done by the creators/writers? What is the significance of Harold giving Elias 'The Invisible Man'? Is he trying to warn him of evolving technology? Was he trying to tell him about Samaritan and its potential 'Reign of Terror' similar to what Griffin wanted to unleash on the citizens as in the book? Or is Harold trying to warn him of the ever growing threat of the 'Brotherhood' - but I guess Elias already knows that.

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  2. ShatteredOne15 October 2014 at 04:13

    Even a slight cotw episode on this show can be truly awesome! Season 4 is just knocking it out of the park so far, and if they can keep it up, it might be one of my favorite seasons of television ever.

    I love that they pulled another Elias-like twist with revealing someone we didn't expect to be the boss was actually the boss. I look forward to seeing how they'll play out from now on. Person of Interest has one of the best pools of bad guys out there that they can just pull from brilliantly. Adding another dangerous player is always exciting.

    Glad we're getting more Fusco helping out and saving the day, he definitely has earned a spot on the team. And it has been far too long since Elias and Finch shared a scene together so that was just icing on the cake.

    Keep it up, Person of Interest!

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  3. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 04:15

    I just took it that Harold was warning Elias the only way he would survive is by being invisible. Shaw missed the boat on that one. Next week looks intense.

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  4. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 04:26

    Enjoyed seeing Elias and Harold together again too.

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  5. DebraFan15 October 2014 at 04:34

    I think Elias will make the mistake of not staying invisible. Maybe he steps up to deal with Dominic (and the Brotherhood) and in the process leaves himself vulnerable to attack. I could be totally wrong but the way it's being set up with a new group and a dangerous leader slowly taking over territory - a mob war is bound to happen.

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  6. Tan Shouzheng15 October 2014 at 04:40

    What happened to all these awful votes recently?

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  7. DarkUFO15 October 2014 at 04:45

    Just some sad trolls with nothing better to do. Just ignore them

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  8. Shreyas Deshpande15 October 2014 at 04:48

    i know poi get full season pickup and get renewed for 5th season

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  9. EraYachi15 October 2014 at 04:51

    54 manically self-righteous enabled fangirls upset that Carter hasn't been miraculously raised from the dead and therefor the entire series must have gone to hell as a result.

    Honestly, I'd rather be forced to watch Carter die 100 times in 100 ways than suffer through the non-stop temper tantrum some fans are throwing over a single (albeit tragic) plot development. PoI is as good as it ever was.

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  10. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 05:03

    It does look like they are setting Elias up for a bigger storyline. How funny was Bear--- from rare books to student papers. And Fusco the action hero.

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  11. magnutude15 October 2014 at 05:20

    loved it... enjoyed the clever reveal of Dominic, and deepening Elias' role in the events to come.... and gotta love Bear helping himself to Professor Whistler's students homework as chew toys.....

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  12. João Paulo15 October 2014 at 05:33

    An good episode, maybe not the strongers of the show, but still relevant. I never thought the gang 'Brotherhood' could be play a significant role in this season, I thought when they appears in the premiere was just one thing case, so I happy to see a new enemy emerge from the ashes of H.R. (because without the corrupted cops, the gangs will take a place in NY), I don't know about Dominic, he don't appears to be a interesting villain like Quinn, for example, but I wait until see his story progress more.


    I like how Elias is smart to know that something is different the way the team machine works now, I think he will find the true and make his self in danger.

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  13. Ericsmoll15 October 2014 at 05:44

    Loved it ..... Of course any scene w Elias is awesome.
    Could Elias become an eventual alley ?

    Was wondering about Mini / Dominic.....
    Bear's homework snack
    My Partner Fusco !

    Am enjoying S4 immensely !

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  14. Jimmy15 October 2014 at 05:50

    This lines up with the upcoming cast member death. I've said since the beginning that I think it's Elias, and the pieces are lining up so far

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  15. Alexander15 October 2014 at 05:56

    Great interactions between Finch and Elias, that twist with "Dominic" was amazingly executed, Fusco to the rescue, the "Irrelevant" kids were likable characters, and I'm just endlessly enthralled with John Reese as a homicide detective. Solid episode.



    Only (minor) blight: no Root.

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  16. Tyler Maltby15 October 2014 at 08:08

    Have to agree with that. People that are still pissed that Carter died and refuse to watch because of it disgust me. My message to them is get the f**k over yourselves and move the hell on. The show has proven multiple times that it can be great without her. Then there are the Shaw and Root haters and my message for them is pretty much the same. Shaw has come a long way from the ice cold blooded not caring assassin she was when we first met her. The show is still fantastic. Different yes, but also still the same in many ways and still great. It's about damn time people realize that. I actually thought this episode was very boring and didn't vote awesome for the first time in a long time. But that doesn't mean I'll stop watching.

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  17. DebraFan15 October 2014 at 10:35

    "and I'm just endlessly enthralled with John Reese as a homicide detective"


    THIS^^. Even I didn't expect that I would like him so much as a hard working homicide detective. The writers have made it even more enjoyable by giving him scenes with plenty of good banter (just professional ones at that so far) with hot law women (first the Captain and now the DEA agent) .

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  18. Robert Fruin15 October 2014 at 11:41

    These sad people are really getting on my nerves voting awful all the time. Carter died get over it.

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  19. Louise15 October 2014 at 13:07

    Well, to hopefully bring a smile to your face, PoI already has a full season order, no worries there. Yes, they haven't announced the number of episodes, but absolutely no reason to believe the plan is for anything less than 22 episodes this season, with perhaps, just perhaps a 23rd.
    As for a fifth season, with PoI already sold into syndication, and those episodes planned to start running next fall (2015), I believe it is a very safe bet that unless its rating completely disappear -- not likely to happen despite those fans who are noisy but few who are upset that Carter died, although Taraji only signed on for a short-term job per her request/wishes, that a fifth season and a sixth, at a minimum, are in its future. Keep enjoying the show, it should be around for a good while.

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  20. Nitro15 October 2014 at 15:02

    Rather weak and even boring episode but still there were a few interesting things.
    Dominic knows now that Riley and Shaw work together.
    In the future, we will see Dominic vs Elias battle.

    So far the weakest episode of season 4.

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  21. TXGeek15 October 2014 at 15:25

    All this "bitter Carter fans" whining is getting old. If POI can't possibly ever be awful, stop adding it as a choice on the poll.

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  22. Mia15 October 2014 at 15:52

    I love Elias and Harold together. They have such a fun dynamik

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  23. Ereth Reetnith15 October 2014 at 16:38

    i liked it :) a lot :)

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  24. Alexander15 October 2014 at 16:54

    Yes. You should be ashamed. ;)

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  25. João Paulo15 October 2014 at 16:58

    No because the plot is well done without her, I love Root, but she don't need to be in every episode, it's just like when Fusco not appears in some plots.

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  26. Bradley Adams15 October 2014 at 17:11

    True.

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  27. kindaoffkilter15 October 2014 at 17:18

    Not as compelling as the first two of the season for me, and the parts
    worked better than the whole, but I thought it hung together very well
    with lots of good moments. The set up for furthering plots was
    intriguing, and I was actually holding my breath during the Elias scene
    wondering if he'd get the yellow square this ep--not yet, but I bet it
    won't be long!!

    Oh, curiosity is going to kill that cat, but I'm hoping satisfaction will bring him back.

    The press releases have been error ridden this season, what's with that?
    Anyway, when I wondered who "Mini" could be weeks ago, someone clued me
    in that it might be Dominic, so I was spoiled to that twist. The
    mole was supposed to be the obvious twist we all saw coming, I think, so
    that we'd be surprised by the end reveal; it's possible knowing both
    those plot turns in advance spoiled my suspense.

    Still, entertaining and fairly smoothly delivered if a little saccharine at
    times, and I'm really looking forward to developments. Also next week's
    episode looks to deliver in spades!

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  28. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 17:23

    I took the loss of Carter seriously to heart but after I read that she said she just wanted to do movies, I thought ok that is your career choice, so be it. But then simultaneous to that interview came the revelation that she was already tied in to a new TV series. And I thought, wait a minute, what she wants is to give up a supremely intelligent series( and drab detective clothes) to play a provocative ex- wife of a hip hop mogul ( and wear furs and jewels and makeup) in a sudsy show ( and if you have ever seen her PR photos you know what image she is going for) . Each to his own . But that's when I stopped boohooing over the loss of Joss Carter. She is a very good actress but I can't lament the loss of a character she did not want to play.

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  29. Pamela15 October 2014 at 17:27

    Agree with TXGeek. Most Carter fans have moved on and are actually relieved that TPH won't have to return to a show that has steadily deteriorated. Even "true fans" of POI have become disillusioned this season, and I believe the "awful" votes are authentic. Last night's live ratings were abysmal (9.5 million/1.5 demo). The characters are flat, the writing is subpar, and the battle of the machines storyline is just plain boring.

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  30. LittleDreamer15 October 2014 at 17:33

    I kinda missed Root this week. It was rather obvious that the DEA agent was the mole but i didn't expect Dominic to hide in plain sight.

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  31. Linda Sabine Oleksa15 October 2014 at 17:48

    No one has ever said TPH wanted to leave the show. Nolan wanted to kill her off for "realism", to make room for his "catwoman", because the HR storyline was over, to keep things fresh, because she was the "heart of the show" and her loss would hurt the worst ... depends on what day he was asked. It was his decision, not hers, and Nina Tassler went along with it.


    Now they're learning now what happens when you kill the heart of the show. The show dies.


    It might have survived if the writers had kept focused on what drew most of the viewer in in the first place -- the bond between the leads. (See: Supernatural. The relationship between Sam & Dean is the beginning and the end,and the fans will hang in there with as long as that remains true.) But they've lost sight of that, and with it they've lost the true heart of the show.


    The dropping numbers and the series-low-demo say it's not just a few bitter Carter fans. It's a big, deep problem.

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  32. TheIrrelevant8815 October 2014 at 18:29

    I wasn't as impressed with this episode. This had potential to show great emotion on John's part, protecting children after all. He's very protective of children, sometimes reckless in protecting them, yet he seemed distant and uninterested this time around. But eh, whatever.


    And yes, those Carter fans need to get over it. TBH did an interview recently where she stated she wasn't fond of the schedule that network TV makes you keep. That her new show holds a cable network schedule (13 shows) which gives her flexibility to do movies as she wants. What people don't seem to understand is that TBH joined POI because she knew it would be short term and she was okay with that because she didn't want long term. She wanted to do other things, be flexible. And they gave it to her with a short contract. If people can't accept it, so be it, but seriously it's just a TV show. Move on.

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  33. TheIrrelevant8815 October 2014 at 18:32

    Good thing she wasn't the heart of the show.

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  34. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 18:47

    Exactly what show are you watching ?

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  35. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 18:54

    I still find the show amazingly high in quality on a weekly basis. Personally do not understand all the negativity about it but get that we cannot all respect or like the same things.

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  36. Pamela15 October 2014 at 19:16

    I think we can agree that we are talking about POI. Maybe you can explain the ratings...which started to tank mid season 2 when Shaw was added, and all the characterization on this once-great show became static. Pre-Shaw ratings for the Rikers Arc ("2 Pi R," "Prisoner's Dilemma," and "Dead Reckoning") were 16 million live viewers with demo never below 3. All downhill after "Relevance." Obviously, this was well before the new night/time for season 3, so please don't cite that as any kind of reason for the decline.

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  37. AvonleaMist15 October 2014 at 19:30

    Yet what other show still stays as intelligent, sharp,clever, and funny without resorting to sudsy soap or cheap heartrending shockers just to garner attention. Can we just call a truce and agree that I like it and you don't.

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  38. Pamela15 October 2014 at 19:36

    I don't believe that the "awful" votes are the result of mischievous trolls. The ratings for last night's episode (9.5 million viewers/1.5 demo...lowest demo in the history of POI) seem to confirm that there is a definite problem with this show. Viewers certainly can express their disillusionment, and voting "awful" on the poll is one way of doing so.

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  39. kindaoffkilter15 October 2014 at 19:37

    Amanda Segel said they got picked up for 22 episodes back in June (early summer, anyway, I know), so that many episodes have long been assured.

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  40. Paxnos15 October 2014 at 20:13

    Viewers don't like it when mildly serialized shows go highly serialized. The 16 million you talk about was the phase with the highest ratings ever, before that i was considerably lower but - you are right on that - not as low as 1.5 seasons of slow decline.
    This is another thing what happens to serialized network shows, especially if they're doing plots having anything to do with Sci-Fi. Sci-fi seems to be a no-go for a considerably amount of viewership who desire contained "case of the week" episodes.
    Those are two common reasons for slow decline (which is what happened) which I believe are very relevant for PoI. It's happened before quite often. Whether or not the show has become bad, I won't get in a fight over it. I can assure you, though, that many people, including me, love the back half of Season 2 and Season 3 as a whole.
    There are arguments for both sides, but it's obviously a matter of taste.

    Regarding the polls: It's not about what you vote (if you actually watch the show). However, it seems like the voting is being shifted into a certain direction and it was also admin-confirmed that something like this is happening. I've done my research, compared voting patterns (here and on other sites) and numbers and I'm highly positive this is happening to some extent, though of course not everyone is participating. However, I won't try to "make my case" because it won't make any difference.

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  41. Paxnos15 October 2014 at 20:17

    "yet he seemed distant and uninterested this time around" That's an impression I got as well. Not sure why, but I have a feeling either Jin or Reese is very... "reserved" at the moment. Can't really explain it, though. I just feel like something has changed in that regard

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  42. everyoneissleeping16 October 2014 at 01:47

    Amazing :-) I particularly liked the scenes between Harold and Elias.

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  43. AlwaysBones16 October 2014 at 03:17

    The funny thing is is that they still watch it. That cracks me up! It's that compelling....

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  44. AlwaysBones16 October 2014 at 03:31

    Interesting that you chose a Science Fiction ID from a Science Fiction series like Fringe and then made the negative comments about science fiction and series declines. Interestingly, I have observed that science fiction/fantasy series often have the most fervent fans, so I'm not sure why you think that. It's one of the most enduring genres in television. By the way, Meg, using a new name doesn't mean we can't identify your writing style....

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  45. Jim 10816 October 2014 at 09:30

    I actually feel that Reese has gained a lot of personality this season! He's more often expressing his opinion and talking about his feelings, stuff like that. I think it has a lot to do with him actually having a real identity and a day job; something representing an ACTUAL new life. It feels to me like they're working towards his "endgame" already, because it looks like he's really enjoying life as a detective and might not even want to quit if it ever comes to that.
    He was being hard on the kid in this episode, but to be fair Malcolm did make some stupid decisions. At the end of the episode, Reese was practically hugging the kid and smiling because he was so happy and proud for/of him.

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  46. SacrificeSam16 October 2014 at 09:51

    Really sad how hypocritical some of the people posting here are. You blame the "Carter" fans as trolls, haters, whatever yet you show the same attitude. Pathetic!

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  47. Fringenos16 October 2014 at 10:06

    I hope it's not me you're referring to as Meg? :)


    While you are certainly right - sci-fi shows have a dedicated fan base - they are difficult to get into for other genre viewers. While the core usually stays with the show, a lot of people leave and this leads to a slow decline. Some people lose track and don't want to catch up a whole season, this happens as well. Also, it doesn't seem like a significant amount of viewers joins such a series later - for some people it's too much filler and some just see serialized plots as undesirable.


    PoI is an interesting case because it is1) not really the first choice for people looking for highly serialized stuff (which is coming later on, but for many people it's just too much to "work" through many 22-episode-seasons with many episodes they're not going to enjoy)
    but 2) too serialized and specialized for the typical "CSI" viewer.


    I personally love this model, but I think what PoI is going through (regarding ratings) fits the life cycle. I could be wrong though, so I'm always glad when people point out errors. :)


    PS. I hope you understand what I mean, it's hard to express.

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  48. Fringenos16 October 2014 at 10:09

    Well, I have to admit you've got a point there. :) I think I need to rewatch, because I had almost forgotten the end you referred to. Now that you mention it, my impression could also be a part of his transformation phase, in which he has to be overstrained by all this stuff he has to think of and how he has to act.
    I think I also have to remember that they didn't really have a happy time since Carter died, so I guess that would be some weight on his shoulders as well

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  49. TXGeek16 October 2014 at 13:10

    Good the The Nolan doesn't agree with you.

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  50. Decafonly17 October 2014 at 02:11

    A great episode but not as great as other episodes. Something was missing........It needed: A nostalgic, romantic scene with Harold's fiancee (even though I think she's tucked away in Italy). Or.... A remnant of HR....one of them coming back and renewing HR. I mean, how could HR have been completely obliterated? There must be some residuals. Or someone from a past episode (whose number/life they saved) showing up in an episode - i.e. a young hacker, a con man, etc. And them using them for something.
    And.........I want the machine to manipulate their lives more - I want the machine to become more of a character - but I think that only happens when Root has screen time.
    I still watch this show, even if it's an okay episode because I love Jim Caviezel (Reese).

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  51. Tommy Townsend19 October 2014 at 02:44

    I think we cannot agree

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  52. Tommy Townsend19 October 2014 at 03:01

    My rambling observations:


    The story didn't seem to have its usual edge. SO FAR, bringing the Brotherhood up to a significant threat to security so that Samaritan notices, hasn't seemed to happen. Brotherhood is dealing with usual conflict with DEA and Elias' mobsters, although the Samaritan operative got her nose in a twist about the gang war in the previous episode. Where were the Samaritan trouble shooters in this episode? To me VIgilance was much more of a problem to John Greer than a run of the mill bunch like the Brotherhood. (Are we really sure everyone in vigilance is dead?)


    Therefore, when Finch is speaking with Elias, the rival gang is not a 'new world' that would threaten Elias and his crew, but I do think that somehow Elias is going to be drawn in to the battle with Samaritan.


    The next episode relating to the election really whets my appetite for manipulated voting techniques which will be routine to the historical voting maching in Chicage. Throw in the Elias qualities, it should be rich social commentary.

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  53. prpleight26 October 2014 at 06:12

    Sweet twist. Way to play on assumptions. I did not see the Dominic twist coming at all. Loved the ep. It's feeling like Elias is going to become important as the war against Samaritan comes to a head.

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