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POLL : What did you think of Person of Interest - Nautilus?

1 Oct 2014

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  1. Brilliant, simply brilliant episode. The number of the week was
    seamlessly intertwined with the Samaritan mythology. Harold's line
    "creator of the game isn't even human" made me feel a chill and I let
    out a huge involuntary "Hells Yeah" as the implications of that
    statement dawned on me.

    Very curious about what the Machine is doing with Root and what missions she is being sent out to do. Let us hope this is touched upon in future episodes.

    Shallow thought of the day - Amy Acker dressed as flight attendant = HOT

    Loved
    everyone's role in the episode. Laugh out loud scene - Shaw tricking
    the Silverpool guys into following her to the elevator. The moment she
    held the door open for her 'friend', I knew ass kicking by the Mayhem
    Twins was going to follow behind closed doors of the elevator.

    Amazing
    (and chilling moment) - Claire getting saved by Samaritan's unknown and
    unseen assassin and then Samaritan's subsequent message to Claire that
    it will protect her. Will we see her again? Is Samaritan grooming her to
    be its Root? Or is it collecting a bunch of people like Claire given
    that the game was held in various parts of the world?



    Finally, the new and amazing Batcave is now operational. Hurray!! Got to hand it to the show writers - it's a pretty chill idea and even much cooler place than the library

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  2. It seems like the Machine and Samaritan are playing chess. Not that im complaining here, but it feels like thow was reset last season, and our characters could pass on the torch at any time. Im sure we will see Claire again down the road, and maybe something similar like Root, but will get the outcome they had expected from Root all along in Claire.

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  3. Excellent episode, I think was as good as the premiere, not better. I think they mix very well the definitve return of Finch and the team to work and the Samaritan's plot, of course the episode had predictable scenes, but in most of the time the brilliance overcome the faults, and the humor parts are better than ever.


    P.S: I wonder how many assets Samaritan have so far and I think was really clever of him recruit newcorners and destroy a rival company that was build a similar system like him.

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  4. The cast of this show is so freaking perfect
    And the idea of someone going to die make me sick..
    Terrific episode .

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  5. another fantastic ep from this show that just doesn't disappoint... I really love the creativity of the writing in having Samaritan creating a "puzzle/game" for a recruitment tool.... and loved having team machine finding their legs again and Finch unveiling the "Finchcave" to Reese and Shaw... just an all around awesome ep

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  6. Awesome! So many great little Bad Robot references meshed together too!


    Lost - Claire + Flight attendant + tropical location + some numbers = Octagon Logo (Dharma) + "The Recruit" + Dr. Linus


    Fringe - Pattern/Golden Ratio + "Observation" Tower


    Alias - Rambaldi like puzzles, race against the clock, music code, underground new head quarters similar to Alias season 4's "APO".


    Looking forward to see how this really pans out with Samaritan and it's recruits!

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  7. Effin Crackerjack! The writers really stepped up to the plate!

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  8. "And the idea of someone going to die make me sick"

    Hush, let us not dwell on that piece of info at all. Let that event hit us like an oncoming train in the future.

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  9. to be honest it was better than the premier ep and i have a feeling it will only get better as the season goes like prev yr .kudos to the writers who r topping the prev season.

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  10. "underground new head quarters similar to Alias season 4's "APO""


    Ah, those were the days!! "You killed Mom to save ME?"

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  11. Clever episode but what really wowed me is the new Team Central.

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  12. The fact that Samaritan was the mastermind behind the game was sooo creepy an terrifying. It means his capabilities are in full capacity. (I'm gonna call Samaritan "he" cuz it seems right". Imagine qhen he gets a voice??? OMG, I'm totally scared just to think of it.

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  13. How can you not vote "Awesome" for this episode. This really is television at its absolute finest.

    Huge kudos to Dan Dietz and Melissa Scrivner Love who wrote the episode, and director Chris Fisher. The Nautilus thing was so expertly crafted and executed. The acting was outstanding, the sets were magnificent, pieces of the larger puzzle slotted together absolutely perfectly, I'm sure we will see Quinn Shephard back as Claire at some point - you'd think that becoming a Samaritan asset would demand that



    And also, the new title sequence! Loved it!

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  14. Great episode I do hope we see Claire again in like camoe appearance

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  15. I hope they bring Quinn Shephard back as Claire on a recurring basis. She was terrific in tonight's episode.

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  16. Random guess but I think part of the reason the machine wants Shaw robbing banks is so there can be a greater source of income for the team.

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  17. The reveal of Samaritan being behind it, trying to stop competition system from rising, really made the episode better. Before that, it kind of reminded me of the episode Ghosts (2nd episode from season 1), following teenage Theresa Whitaker around, she not wanting to be followed...
    I wonder if Claire will become a Samaritan asset, a.k.a. Root of the bad guys and thus whether we'll see her again. I wouldn't bet on it, but Samaritan said it was procecting her now, so...
    Also, because I am a subway enthusiast, I loved the "new library" scene (and also its reveal from the previous episode).
    Fun moment - Reese arrests Finch.

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  18. I didn't know that. Now I want to cry. Nooooooo....

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  19. This show is so good I am turning a bit paranoid now. I think two times before putting anything on internet or downloading things now. Samaritan recruiting people by year long puzzles are really creepy. I can't imagine how magnificent the war between these machines will be.


    This show deserves more media attention. Such great acting and wonderful serialized story telling. The most intelligent show now on tv.

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  20. Solid episode.
    Interesting to see how Samaritan recruits assets!


    Also, I saw this poster last night. Not sure it's been posted here.
    Love how Greer is in the reflection of Harold's glasses!

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  21. Helps if I add the poster...

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  22. Ok, uhm, I haven't watched it yet and won't read the comments before I have but... 50% voted awful? What? :O

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  23. Linda Sabine Oleksa1 October 2014 at 13:06

    Why can't POI write adversaries that are gray any more? There are such possibilities to discuss the real issues of AI and surveillance, and instead the show just goes for "Samaritan EVIL!" the same way they went straight to "Vigilance EVIL TERRORIST MURDERS!" Presumably Samaritan is actually protecting the country as it was designed to do, but except for one throw-away line that hasn't even been referenced. It's just BIG EVIL. C'mon, POI writers, trust your viewers to handle a little nuance. Remember when Elias was the Lesser Evil?


    Plus, we met Samaritan's creator. He was a lovely, gentle man. Why would he create a program whose *primary* purpose seems to be killing anyone who even remotely threatens it? And -- the software was never run, never tweaked, never beta-tested. How come it's so much better than the Machine? The logic holes in this whole plot line are staggering.

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  24. Haven't you heard? You're not supposed to question POI's plot holes. How dare you come here with legitimate questions... You must not be a true fan. True fans know how to roll over and take it from the writers.

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  25. I think you're assuming something that "we" just don't know yet...What I mean is that Samaritan and/or some of their recruits may not turn out to be as black against white as it currently appears...In fact, I'm almost half expecting that Samaritan and our Machine could even "team up" on occasion and/or maybe even Samaritan will eventually not approve of Decima!


    I agree we also don't understand the real back story behind Samaritan, but that might be a plot hole, as much as an up coming story to consider. I think the more we get into it's recruiting process, the more we may discover more back story being characters like Greer or and/or the story being this IA. I would let season 4 run it's course before I would get too critical.

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  26. Ya I don't understand either. I thought this one would be pretty satisfying for most fans?!

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  27. "Amazing (and chilling moment) - Claire getting saved by Samaritan's unknown and unseen assassin and then Samaritan's subsequent message to Claire that it will protect her. Will we see her again? Is Samaritan grooming her to be its Root? Or is it collecting a bunch of people like Claire given that the game was held in various parts of the world?",/i>


    My thoughts too! I think we will keep meeting recruits (i'm pretty sure the blonde with the 7 alias' from the premier is one) and they will start randomly showing up at interesting times...It feels like they're setting the stage for multiple balls being tossed in the air--and I think that's exciting!

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  28. I haven't seen the episode yet, and I'm really confused. 45% of the poll votes are for 'Awful', but the comments are all like 'awesome', 'excellent'... What happened? #nospoilers

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  29. Mr. Whistler's grant for his study dwarfs Shaw's take

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  30. I got a real problem. I understand John received numbers from the machine. DIdn't the team used to find out who the number was by cross referencing the library? To which, Whistler found the location of his base by going to another library and referencing a book the machine directed him to.

    Doesn't Shaw sell perfume anymore? :p

    I like that Lionel decoded the musical clue


    At one point Claire steals some files, which is what Samaritan wanted all the time. The puzzle seemed more like a diversion for the players.


    I am skeptical about certain terminology. Like when Samaritan was hacking Mr. Whistler's laptop. he said it was forceful. Were the 1s and 0s louder, bolder italicized? I understand relentless denial of service. I understand quick decryption of security and firewalls, but FORCEFUL?


    I rated the show as good. I liked the premier a lot better.

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  31. I voted OK not awful but here is my thoughts for what it is worth. I started to write them earlier but all the other comments were so glowing I didn't bother. The acting, as always was excellent. There is never any doubt of that. However, the plot line, for me had real holes. I don't want to give away much but just for example, they discovered that a game is being played. Even when Reese caught someone playing the game instead of questioning him about where he heard about the game, if he knew anyone else playing, anything at all that might have given them a better understanding about was happening, he just scared him into quitting the game. I honestly couldn't figure out why they weren't doing a better job investigating the whole thing, except of course when they gave Shaw her usual opportunity to threaten someone, Also, have to agree with some others that I'm a little tired of the whole conspiracy stuff.

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  32. And hence, we should see more of Elias

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  33. I've watched it now and... that episode was pretty good. Not the best, but I thought it adressed some nice things. I'd give (on a PoI scale) 8/10. No idea where those Awful-voters came from, but I don't really get why other shows' viewers would just come here to vote awful? o.o

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  34. Well, Claypool wasn't a bad person but you have to consider that Samaritan is not a black box.

    Samaritan seems to be ahead of the Machine. Well, it's being backed by Governments and a lot of operatives - it operates differently, too. While the Machine has always been very closed up (Root being the exception), Samaritan was pushed by very powerful people. Team Machine's insight into the Machine is very limited, but Decima has >complete< access to Samaritan. As the Machine, Samaritan tweaks itself and I'm sure it does so much more freely.

    We don't really know how big its advantage is but the way it has been built by Decima? Many computing centers around the globe, state of the art hardware - I'm sure it has the ability to do more 1) at the same time and 2) faster. Interestingly, until the Season 2 finale the Machine wasn't even able to keep memories longer than 24 hours. So I guess it's a mix of its restrictions, rules and hardware/ anolog support. :) By concept, Samaritan is a thing we couldn't ever allow to be out there. But let's see what Samaritan DOES... after all, it is a powerful AI. I guess they have two choices here - make Samaritan go in the good direction (e.g. closing itself up, getting rid of Decima) or it'll be more and more corrupted, ruthless, and so on. Remember, the Machine had to be transformed in its "delivery day"state for YEARS.

    To some extent I have to agree, I hope they'll work on that "gray" area. This would be very interesting. There's also a lot of story missing about Samaritan, but I'm confident they'll dig intoit. Until now, we don't know much about it - just that it certainly hasn't been under good influence and the concept is veeeeeery dangerous.

    Thanks for starting that interesting discussion, though. :)

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  35. Did they say "forceful" at some point?
    I thought they said "brute force" in the episode. A brute force attack is just running through the entire list of possible passwords one possibility at a time. So Whistler was not in shock and awe of the "force" Samaritan used as much as the speed it hacked into his system.

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  36. Linda Sabine Oleksa1 October 2014 at 16:52

    For me, the biggest problem was that last week they seemed to be doing some course-correction, but this week they're right back to the Big Conspiracy, which I find boring, predictable, and badly thought-out. In getting to The Story That Nolan Wants to Tell they have sacrificed the characters. This was supposed to be the Finch gets on board story, I suppose, but it's uncompelling. Great acting, lousy script. (Watch Finch in S1 and in last night's episode. It's played by the same actor, that's how you know it's supposed to be the same guy. Also, watch the scene in Relevance where Finch offers to bring Shaw on board, and compare it to the scene with the girl in this episode, and you'll see where the writing has fallen down,) The Number was unlikable and unrelatable; her backstory was lazy and trite. There were some nice moments and some very fine acting, but the glaring plot holes and bad character "development: were awful.

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  37. I've been fairly critical of the series the past half season or so, but even I thought this was at least a good episode.


    I think it is just some under-the-radar campaign by some fandom to lower Person of Interest's rating on the site. No clue as to why anyone person, much less a group, would waste time on such a trivial thing though....

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  38. Different strokes...
    I thought Claire was on of the best COTW in the past season or so.

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  39. Heck yeah! I'm always up for Elias! I felt that they were setting that up in the first epi this season, and I was a happy camper on that one.

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  40. Whoa, that is really a great poster! Love it!

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  41. Probably our "friend" who periodically comes to complain and predict the demise of POI. I don't get it either. What are they looking for?

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  42. I'm not sure we know this lovely gentle man's real agenda just yet.

    Greer seems to have a larger endgame than just having Samaritan protect people. He may have nice manners and proper etiquette, but his acceptance of Team Samaritan's methods should tell us something... The lack of empathy and sympathy in the way that Samaritan's operators work that is notable to me. They seem to get numbers and eliminate numbers without hesitation. That is a reflection of him as well as more black and white than Team Machine ever was honestly.

    I think the fact is that Samaritan seems more evil simply because it is trying to eliminate the protagonists of the series. There is not much leeway for making it sympathetic as it attempts to kill the main cast of the series. To really show Samaritan as doing good we may have to see through its operators POV and I'm not sure that most fans would be willing to watch a show centered on that.

    I do wonder why Samaritan is so much more efficient than the Machine though. I know it is new version, but it seems to have gone from childhood to adulthood i none step unlike the Machine which had a period of adolescence ..

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  43. Linda Sabine Oleksa1 October 2014 at 17:16

    Greer didn't create Samaritan. Arthur Claypool did. For the stated purpose of protecting people after 9/11.
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  44. Ah, but it's been hijacked by very shady folks, semi-governmental types. It could be more nuanced, though, to make us pause at the times when there are shades of grey. That's a good point.

    It does show how bad government, or governmental offshoot agencies, can be when they're out of control, with no check on their power. I think that's the point here. The machine is only as good as its overseers. I liked that Senator's questioning of the fact that there is no accountability right now for Samaritan, and then Samaritan and Greer are right away talking about whether to eliminate him. That was always Finch's fear of placing such power in the hands of ANY human. Power corrupts, and yes, absolute power does absolutely corrupt. That tends to happen no matter how well-intentioned the person or persons are. History shows that over and over.

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  45. Ok. Yes, but...
    Decima and Greer co-opted Samaritan from Claypool.

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  46. You're neglecting a lot of facts. Aside from the other answers you've been given, the Machine DOES protect it's own survival as well, it's one of it's main tasks (Relevants - Irrelevants - Survival).


    Samaritan WAS run as well - Arthur Claypool explains who before they shut down the project, he tested Samaritan's AI by purposely deleting huge chunks of it's code, and let it live or die without intervention. Samaritan, after many millions of cycles, survived, and lived. The day after, the program was shut down (because Northern Lights/The Machine was functional and sold).


    Objectively, it's not better or worse than The Machine - both, when they have the access to the feeds, are able to analyze them for threats to public security, which is their primary function. However, Samaritan, being open, let's you see all the associations it made to get to that point, and indeed, to look into anyone at will. The Machine can't divulge that information due to Finch's protocol, it can only furnish the numbers, with Root being the only exception - and even she cannot see what is going on, she only knows what she is told.


    It's pretty clear it's not Samaritan in and of itself that is evil; it is it's implementation that breeds abuse.

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  47. It's not that the writing has fallen down, it's that Finch at this point is still unconvinced, and saddled with a lot of feelings in guilt, and he can't risk divulging both machine's existences to someone he can't recruit (they're already in enough danger and have a full team). With Shaw, it was just him and Reese at that point, things were heating up, and she already suspected the truth - he needed her, and believed in their mission more than ever.
    This is a different Finch because this Finch has been through a lot since then.

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  48. For the numbers, it uses the Dewey Decimal System. Even without "the" library, they can cross-reference with any library to get the 3 numbers. How Reese then got the name is a different story, but I assume as a cop he has a tool to cross reference SSN's with names, it's not much of a stretch.

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  49. Linda Sabine Oleksa1 October 2014 at 18:05

    I believe what Claypool said was that it lived, it smiled, and it died. Just that quickly.

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  50. wtf would people mark this episode as awful??
    Seems people have lost interest in quality television

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  51. I loved the episode, to me everything made sense. I think about last episode and this one and I can't shake the feeling that we're headed to the mother of all AI's wars.
    Think about it, last week the machine set the stage for regroup it's soldiers for the battle giving them a purpose, a way and a VERY COOL BATCAVE.
    This week we see Samaritan's Setting it's own pawns in this game of chess and by recruiting people that it thinks will help it and eliminating future threats.
    look how much impact the machine had on the last episode and how much Samaritan had on this one and vice versa. If only we had more shows like POI...

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  52. I enjoyed her too, but I could see parallels between her, Root, the Blonde we don't know a lot about, and perhaps Harold too, along with beginning insight into Samaritan's process, which may have heightened the likability factor for me!

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  53. Disagree. Harold turned around way more quickly than I anticipated, not that I think he'll just happily be on board again, but I wasn't expecting the turn around so soon. I think it was Reese that was a little back-seat-ish compared to how he was in the previous episode....Root on the other hand has been spouting all kinds of words of wisdom that I find refreshing.


    This episode isn't a big twist-like episode nor was it a very character driven episode, it's a story of the week that is nicely adding a layer/parallel to whatever the bigger story of the season (or first half of the season) is going to be in relation to other characters and getting to know Samaritan! I found it enjoyable because the team felt hopeful again and yet they used their SOTW as an interesting stepping stone and not a complete filler as well.

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  54. everyoneissleeping1 October 2014 at 23:46

    I don't get that either... Seriously, WTF?...

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  55. everyoneissleeping1 October 2014 at 23:53

    There was an entire episode on Decima acquiring technology that would make Samaritan the unstoppable force that it is, making it more technologically advanced than the Machine...

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  56. I am really puzzled at why and where from so many inexplicable " awful" votes in the poll are coming from. Could it be Samaritan...

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  57. I too was thrilled to see him! Always a scene stealer - even if he's only on for a moment or too.



    * I do believe we'll see Claire again as well
    * Loving the new Batcave
    * Finch is back
    * Root a stewardess for today ! Ha
    * Reese n Shaw's elevator ride !

    Oh how I've missed POI !

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  58. Like X 1000, TXGeek, and thanks for the laugh.

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  59. Like X 1000, Linda and totally agree.

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  60. Another awesome episode.

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  61. I like this better than the premiere episode

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  62. Echo on missing POI! I loved the elevator ride too--the "mayhem twins" strike again! Too funny! And the "batcave" is fabulous! Nice to see Finch finally looking happier in that scene too! Loved Root kidnapping her pilot!

    I'm kinda hoping we'll see an opportunity to recruit back our young chess master. I found her appealing. Perhaps she'll grow disenchanted with Samaritan....

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  63. I can't bear the idea of losing another principal from the series, although if it was Root I could deal with it.

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  64. Good idea! Sounds reasonable.

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  65. Yeah, loved Finch's arrest also. Reese took a little too much pleasure in it! He seemed a bit gleeful.

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  66. Yes, that was totally how I interpreted it. And it was "brute force."

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  67. I think you may be onto something! ;o)

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  68. 303 'Awful' votes...are these people and I watching the same damn show? Freaking unbelievable...also can these 303 people go vote awful everyday on Good Wife, Blacklist & True Detective episodes too?

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  69. Alexandra Devereaux2 October 2014 at 23:23

    But those are good shows and usually deserving of an "awesome" vote. POI today is awful compared to the first two seasons. The premier looked promising, I was hoping it might get back on track, but this week was boring.

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  70. Disappointed POI fans, more like.

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  71. Totally agree with Linda. Finch used to be a genius who was up the any challenge. Now he's a whiney crybaby who has to have Root pick his nose for him. Reese can't do anything by himself anymore, Shaw always has to help him. Even the Machine used to have a personality--and one I liked--in season one as seen when Finch was teaching it. Now the characters are two-dimensional, cheap cartoon want-to-be's.

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  72. I thought this episode, and the pilot, were great. Everything's still written well, very smart, good dialogue, great acting & stunt coordination, directing's still great. Only thing I don't like is that too much of the episode was dark, such that I had to turn off my background lighting to see the scenes better. I was really intrigued by the "game" and how they set up the Nautilus puzzles. Interesting that it was a global game. Wonder how many other recruits Samaritan has? Love the new...subway-cave(?). I think the season's starting off pretty well, and am looking forward to seeing how Team Machine fights back at Samaritan.

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  73. Oh good. They decided to start fighting back. Whew.

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  74. So, along with stopping the proliferation of Artificial Intelligence, Samaritan is also cultivating it's own human agents... just like Greer said at the end of last season. As the episode took off, I thought this is not to the level of PoI quality that we've come to expect. But even as it felt weak in the number of the week category, it went a long way in re-establishing the procedural elements for the show. Amazing to see how the show can reinvent itself so well, even in it's fourth season. Take away the basic structure of the number-of-the-week, the show is virtually unrecognizable from what it was. That's what a great show should do... change and evolve, which PoI has done brilliantly.

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  75. What a brilliant episode indeed !! Can't wait for the next episodes ! It's gonna be a great, great season !

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  76. I think maybe are just people from the others tv show voting 'awful'.

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  77. Well intelligent episodes like was made for people who like to thing and make theories, the others like you don't like smart and intriguing things, sorry but is true.

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