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I chose the first option TV show canceled after only one or two seasons. why would anyone be mad about something being renewed after 7season !? lol I don't get it. Usually even if I don't watch a show I'm always happy it's renewed for all the fans of that show.
The second one depends on how the quality of the show; if it is declining fast then I get a bit mad, but not that much really. On the other hands shows being cancelled quickly does make me mad, there is always going to be fans sad about it and it's even worse when you follow said show for a long time, you like it and then BAM! It's gone before it could get to the good stuff
Both or neither. I get mad if good* shows are canceled prematurely, and mad if a bad* show is renewed over and over again - with the side effect that promising* new shows don't get picked up, because there is no room for them.
*from my point of view of course, this is always going to be subjective
It depends on the show. For instance I was so mad at the cancellation of the Secret Circle because I felt like it was never given a fighting chance. Other shows like Supernatural and now even Vampire Diaries have me begging for them to end it already (with a decent ending though, no abrupt cancellation)
I'm not a fan, but I have watched a couple of episodes of H50 and it's not that bad. Now, The Millers, BATB and Glee are bad shows that have been renewed, while underrated gems like Trophy Wife and Enlisted have been cancelled.
I pick the first one because cancel a show after one or two season and you don't give us closure especially shows that are good and well written and great cast I just don't like that they don't give shows a chance to find their audience
I'm always happy about shows being renewed, even if it's a show I don't like, I would never wish for a show to be cancelled. Even when a show is not as good as it used to be, there's always hope for things to get better. It seems there is a bit of new hope for cancelled shows with companies like Amazon buying cancelled shows to continue production, they just bought Ripper Street to shoot a third series. I'm crossing my fingers for Almost Human.
Neither - TV is a business. I may be sad that something I love didn't catch on more with others or puzzled by why so many people watch a certain show, but getting angry about renewals and cancellations makes about as much sense to me as being mad about a company dropping a specific fragrance of soap. If it doesn't sell, it doesn' sell. Unless the reason a show is renewed or cancelled is sketchy, it's just the price of business. I'm more likely to get angry about obnoxious fans on either side of the equation.
I agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Entitled, obnoxious fans irritate me more than shows being renewed. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
I'm voting "TV Show being canceled after only one or two seasons". Because of recent years we have seen the making of one season shows like The Tomorrow People, Dracula and some others. The shows some are good other not, but almost all of them get to second or maybe if they are lucky to the end of the season to post the news about the cancellation.
I agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Obnoxious fans irritate me more than shows being renewed. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
Dahne, I've replied to this but my comments are held in moderation. I do not know why. There is no foul language. Just an agreement with your above comment and example of why I agree.
Funny, I think I see why now. I agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
Neither. It all depends on the show, some deserve to be cancelled after one or two season s, others don't and some deserve to be renewed beyond several seasons when others don't. There is no right answer for me, it all depends on the shows in question.
I agree. Besides, if a show gets renewed so many times then clearly *someone* is enjoying watching it. If I'm watching a show that gets renewed despite the fact that, in my opinion, it didn't deserve it then I simply stop watching.
I think that the author meant good shows being cancelled early and shows that shouldn't be renewed (yes, I know, subjective) getting new seasons. It's hard to imagine anyone being angry about a horrible show being cancelled early or a good show being allowed to continue.
It was deleted, so let me rephrase. I simply agree with everything you posted above and disagree with my previous comment being deleted. If a show has 7+ renewals, it has fans and is making money for the network. The cast and crew must enjoy having a job and I wouldn't wish them canceled just because the show is "older" or fell out of favor with some fans while picking up new ones. OT- I'm catching up on Teen Wolf today! I can't wait any longer. The vids you tweeted last night put me into Stiles withdrawals.
You are right if the fans and the Cast still love the show there making go ahead and last long but the bad writing and the story line will piss some fans off who been a fan ever sents the 1 season that they be like forget this.
Absolutely! It's no skin off my nose if a show that obviously enough people are watching gets renewed. Obviously there's still a market for that show. Let NCIS run for a gabillion years. If I don't like it, I won't watch it. I dropped Supernatural this year (although I am marathoning season 9 this week) but that didn't mean that I was wishing for its demise. It's pretty much died for me but I hope it goes to 12 years or more if the fans are still there. Ultimately people will get tired of a show or they won't. If they do, it will eventually be canceled as ratings drop or the show's stars get tired of it too. If not, then obviously there's enough love to continue. Either way, it doesn't effect what I'm watching.
Yep, and when that happens enouigh ratings fall and it automatically gets cancelled. TV is like any other business and has its own Darwinism. The popular thrive and the unpopular sink. Such is life.
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I was wondering where you were. I missed my live tweet partner. Hope work doesn't interfere with you going us tonight. Stiles Withdrawal is a dangerous thing. We're all going to be goingthrough it soon. Sigh, yet another hellatus to endure. At elast fall TV is just around the corner.
And THAT beyond my understanding. And no, I don't get this nonsense "I invested so many years of my life into it, I can't just drop it". Yes, you can and you probably should,. If you can't then don't complain because you are contributing into the renewal of this particular show you are begging to be ended. As Dahne posted above this is pure and simple business. If it sells it goes. Viewers annoyed enough - they left- viewership drops- show ends. What is so complicated about it?
I think it's about the notion that a show should have an appropiate ending instead of stretching things out just for the sake of making money.
I'm always happy for the Supernatural fans when the show gets renewed, but I had to stop watching halfway through season 7 because it wasn't the same anymore; I felt absolutely no tension because I already knew the Winchesters would make it through everything somehow. During season 5 it felt like the show was ending and that there was an incoming sacrifice that made everything very tense, I didn't know how things were going to be resolved. But once season 6 started it felt like Sam and Dean could take on anything that came after them, after all they defeated the devil himself! And this phenomenon also happened while watching Smallvile, which wasn't compelling to me after season 6.
So in a way I would have loved for those shows to have ended while I still loved them, but Smallvile went on and SPN is still running and I accept that, someone is/was enjoying those shows, so good for them, but I'm always there thinking: why if it ended on a high note, when I still loved the show? For me that would have been for the best
While shows should be able to hold on their own, we can't say a show like Enlisted was given a fair shot, being shipped to Fridays after Raising Hope which got like 0.8 at best.
I agree completely; The Secret Circle had a lot of potential that was unexplored due to its cancellation, and Supernatural could have ended on a really high note on season 5
I get mad about cancellations, but not really for the business itself, I get mad about people not giving true gems a chance; there are really amazing and amabitious shows out there and sometimes people just feel like tuning into more traditional TV. So it's more about getting mad about people not watching a show than being angry at the business itself
Right now I jsut ended episode 9 and remember exactly why I dropped this show in the first place. Too much angel junk, more contrived brother drama. I did very much like Bad Boys though. It felt like a traditional seasons 1-3 SPN episode to me. I wish they would do more of those. Plus I think the kid that played young Dean was the best one yet.
Shows being cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons. Usually, that's when a serial's mythology (if applicable) starts to jump off and/or start developing beyond the initial idea that sparked the show. The latter can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on whether it feels like natural progression for the characters.
shows being cancelled, some shows are good and dont deserve to die so soon and the worst is that sometimes they end on crazy cliffhanger (FlashForward, TSC comes to mind), it's not really fair.
"Mad" probably isn't the best term. I think disappointed applies when a series crafts a cliffhanger knowing it's on the bubble (or maybe not knowing and getting axed). For example, The Glades. That's a bit more frustrating than the other options. Honestly, if a network show produces 44 or so episodes - that's four seasons of cable. I think it's a matter of whether a show is still on a creative high rather than seasons. IDK why anyone would be upset about a long-running series being renewed. If you've hated it for seven seasons, you probably shouldn't be following its renewal prospects anyway.
Cancelled after only a season or two. Mainly because if I was into the show, I would've liked to see where else it could've gone. I understand the complaints some people have about shows that have been on for years getting renewed-not knowing when to quit and all that. But personally, even if the latter seasons of a show aren't as strong as the early ones, I'm one who can find something to like about every season of a show I watch, so as long as everyone who works on the show is still on board with continuing, and they can still find some good stories to come up with here and there, then I'm fine with letting them continue. Plus, some shows can rebound after a slump midway through their runs, too, so... But if a show ends after it's barely started, there's so many missed opportunities there, and I find that a shame.
Agree about angel junk. And about Bad Boys. Hope you'll like next few eps, its pretty good. Technically you haven't droped SPN if you marathoning it :)
Not every show is terrible after 5 seasons and if it is, I can always choose not to watch it. I can't un-cancel a show, which is why I picked that option.
I choose the first one cause I for one think that rating pretty flawed. I guess what gets mad is once you start getting into a new show boom it's gone. At least give it a chance to blossom a little or find its audience. Most of these canceled shows do have an audience but most people don't watch them live. People nowadays watch their shows on iTunes, network website, netflix, hulu and etc... I just think if the networks took these things into consideration most of these canceled would still be on air today. It's just stupid to cancel a show based on a small group of people.
Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch. This. Just because I don't watch it doesn't mean anything, if the show has fans elsewhere, they deserve a chance to have their favorite show come back as much as I do the shows I love. And if a show I like doesn't get renewed while a show I don't care for does, I don't get attacking the fans of the renewed show, or the show itself, for that decision. It's not like the fans and the people on the show I don't watch purposefully conspired to get my favorite show taken off the air or something. Like stated elsewhere, TV is a business and there's all sorts of reasons why some shows make it and others don't. Yelling at the fans or hating actors on a show you (general "you") don't like because your favorite series didn't get renewed seems really pointless and stupid to me.
What makes me mad most is the CEOs darlings being renewed and renewed DESPITE awfull ratings while shows with similar, if not better, ratings are canned despite being the (financial) better decision given that most of the CEO favs rarely have budget cuts
Gossip Girl being the most popular and despicable example. Dawn Ostroff used to cancel shows left and right to keep up the budget for that show to keep it in NY (a terribly expensive location). If she would have merely decided to move the show to LA or Vancouver they could have saved money AND kept a show they had to can for it.
Reign vs. Tomorrow People is still itching me but it`s less of a 'CEO favourite' but rather the more prestigeous product. Reign is simply a show that appeals more to the CWs demo.
That being said: Grey's Anatomy, The Vampire Diaries, CSI and Bones needs to end this season. Not because I`m generally against shows surviving 10 or more seasons but rather these shows being creatively dried out. Greys has lost its appeal to me (that is my subjective perception) in season 4 while it began repeating itself from 7 onwards. This is a show that should be ended simply because cast and crew deserve more than a constantly repeating cycle of storylnes that somehow are the same. The Vampire Diaries is at its creative end, they had interesting ideas and storyarcs in its earlier seasons but now the shows writers have obviously lost their focus, they may have some ideas left but they seem to be incapable of writing them over more and more romantic scenes. If the writers can't write for their characters and their storyline and only have eyes for one couple they have lost all respect I had for them and doomed the show.
CSI and Bones are special cases, I have recently caught up with Bones' 9th season and all I can say is that I enjoyed it. It still has its charm but there`s one thing that show isn't save of: the CSI factor. It may still be enjoyable but it is the same each week, a bit like purgatory. You somehow like it and somehow don't. Creatively both shows are done. The same goes for Criminal Minds. Crime procedurals are fine but should go on for more than 7 seasons.
Oh, also I need Castle to end after a final 8th season, Revenge to reboot itself with new protagonists, CBS to say goodbye to one of their NCIS shows, Beauty and the Beast/Heart of Dixie/Reign to say goodbye this season, The Mindy Project to either turn itself around or just end and the Simpsons to finally come to a conclusion
Absolutely annoying if a show with potential gets cancelled after first season. Most shows need more than one season to develop into a great show. House and 24 are the only shows where I sticked with them until the end. For me a show cannot run too long, because I jump ship before that if I don't like it. I don't need closure for beloved characters, so if others enjoy a show after season 7, that is fine by me.
Look at Sons of Anarchy. The showrunner is ending it at seven years because he feels his story has been told. Would it still make money? Hell, yes! Are fans panicking? Pretty much. Breaking Bad went as far as it could and Mad Men was terrible for the first half of the last season. A lot of things to consider.
I agree with this, because in the end it's the main point. However I voted for "being renewed beyond 7 seasons" because there is a statistical certainty even good shows will lose their steam and overstay their welcome after an x amount of seasons. That x is usually between 5 to 8 seasons, so 7 is about right...
I am a firm believer that good shows should go out on top, for the sake of storytelling the characters and posterity of the show.
I'd rather have a great piece of TV that lasted 4 seasons, than a show that I used to love when it started out but couldn't really sit through the last 5 seasons, because of the decline in quality and repetitiveness of stories and arcs.
There are so many options I would add to the list. A couple of examples: A show being canceled on a cliff hanger. A show with decent ratings being canceled.
First option for sure! Overall I find it hard to judge a show's quality with only one season! I can't say I get mad when shows get renewed. Sure I do have an opinion about it sometimes, but overall it's all up to me if I want to quit watching a show I don't like anymore and it's always good news for the fans who are still hooked I guess ;) .
Not sure how someone would get more mad with a show renewed at eternum than with a show that gets cancelled after a season. If a show gets renewed and you didn't want it to, you can simply stop watching. If a show gets cancelled and you didn't want it to, you are screwed, so it's really an easy choice.
While that is true, I simply don't see how it compares to having a show you like removed from the air. You always have the option of stop watching and pretend that the last episodes you've seen was the ending if you want to. With a cancelled show there is nothing you can do, it's just gone
I agree. It always sucks when our shows get cancelled regardless of whether or not they were given fair shots, but when they weren't it's even worse because we feel like they could have done much better in other situations.
I would also add the cases in which networks could obviously have gone the other way but didn't. Suburgatory was one of these cases and it's one of the cancellations that saddened me the most.
A lot of your points are based on false premises. Gossip Girl always had the ratings for renewals compared with other CW shows. This is true just by looking at the usual 18-49 ratings. However, the show was a high seller especially with the W18-34 demo which made it even more valuable than the 18-49 would suggest, which means its renewal was always justified. The only year in which I felt was dubious was the renewal to the final season but even then it was probably still more profitable for the CW than a sophmore season of a failed freshman like the secret circle (and I say this as a fan of the secret circle) due to syndication and the 18-34 dollars. And it was only a wrap up 10 episode season anyway.
Reign was also slighly higher rated than The Tomorrow People and, again, had much more favorable numbers in the subset of the demo that sells the best with advertisers, so it was picked up while TTP wasn't (again, I was a fan of TTP, so no bias here).
I can, but it's not the same. With Supernatural I did that, but Kripke himself said he wanted to end Supernatural a little bit different before he left the show, so I'm always left wondering how that would have been.
I'm ok with people enjoying the show after I dropped it, but at the same time it's sad to see it running and thinking "it's not the same anymore", while with ended shows I can say "it ended on a high note" and remember them fondly.
In the end it's not about people enjoying it, I have absolutely no problem with that, in fact I'm happy about them, but there is a part of me that wants a good resolution brought in time that fits the show altogether. That's why I'd like for the shows that I watch that they don't go beyond season 6 or 7 (unless they are comedies, Friends lasted 10 seasons and I enjoyed them all)
Sometimes shows get stale with age though. Some shows end up repeating story lines over and over and over again. Sometimes it's nice to end the show when the tires are still burning.
I still watch but the quality of the show imo has gone down the drain simply because it's not original anymore- the Winchesters are always getting caught up in the same story lines (normal vs. hunting life, trusting the wrong angel/demon, angel story dragged out, etc.) and they keep changing the mythology/twisting it to a point it doesn't hardly resemble the original mythology set up by 7 previous seasons of the show.
I agree with your last part about caring if shows I don't watch get renewed or cancelled. Since I don't watch, I of course won't care.
Fans invested in a show get angry because they spend a lot of time supporting the show and watching it/using up time. They just want a pay-off for it which is the entertainment they expect in a general sense. I don't think any reasonable fan would expect everything to go there way. They're not writing the story.
I'm not like that. I need closure. I've never dropped a show I watched for more than one season. And it's why when a show is cancelled on a cliffhanger I am upset.
Nielsen Box ratings (18-49 & 19-34 demos), are the most important factor for a network. And they are given the most weight by far. But they are not the only factor that matters. With cable and satellite boxes, DVRs and On-Demand, next day online services like Hulu Plus, the networks know how many overall viewers a series has. They take that into account, so it does matter if they watch. Heck they even know about how many torrents a show has. Though i doubt that carries any weight.
I watch too many shows anyway ... at some point I have to let go of some because of the time issue. My point was that just because I moved on I want others who still like to watch continue to do so. I don't think shows after season 7 are generally bad so they should end. That was the starting point of the poll.
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I chose the first option TV show canceled after only one or two seasons. why would anyone be mad about something being renewed after 7season !? lol I don't get it. Usually even if I don't watch a show I'm always happy it's renewed for all the fans of that show.
ReplyDeleteThe second one depends on how the quality of the show; if it is declining fast then I get a bit mad, but not that much really. On the other hands shows being cancelled quickly does make me mad, there is always going to be fans sad about it and it's even worse when you follow said show for a long time, you like it and then BAM! It's gone before it could get to the good stuff
ReplyDeleteOther- Bad shows getting renewed and good shows getting cancelled.
ReplyDelete^THIS! I'm looking at you Beauty & The Beast...
ReplyDeleteHawaii Five 0 is another clear example
ReplyDeleteH5-0 wasn't cancelled and the move to Fridays didn't hurt them,they did quite well on Fridays..
ReplyDeleteBoth or neither. I get mad if good* shows are canceled prematurely, and mad if a bad* show is renewed over and over again - with the side effect that promising* new shows don't get picked up, because there is no room for them.
ReplyDelete*from my point of view of course, this is always going to be subjective
Erm, I think he means to say that H50 is a bad show.
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the show. For instance I was so mad at the cancellation of the Secret Circle because I felt like it was never given a fighting chance. Other shows like Supernatural and now even Vampire Diaries have me begging for them to end it already (with a decent ending though, no abrupt cancellation)
ReplyDeleteLoL..... Oh!
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan, but I have watched a couple of episodes of H50 and it's not that bad. Now, The Millers, BATB and Glee are bad shows that have been renewed, while underrated gems like Trophy Wife and Enlisted have been cancelled.
ReplyDeleteI pick the first one because cancel a show after one or two season and you don't give us closure especially shows that are good and well written and great cast I just don't like that they don't give shows a chance to find their audience
ReplyDeleteI'm always happy about shows being renewed, even if it's a show I don't like, I would never wish for a show to be cancelled. Even when a show is not as good as it used to be, there's always hope for things to get better.
ReplyDeleteIt seems there is a bit of new hope for cancelled shows with companies like Amazon buying cancelled shows to continue production, they just bought Ripper Street to shoot a third series. I'm crossing my fingers for Almost Human.
Me too. Even when it's a show I don't watch, I think about the fans.
ReplyDeleteNeither really.
ReplyDeleteNeither - TV is a business. I may be sad that something I love didn't catch on more with others or puzzled by why so many people watch a certain show, but getting angry about renewals and cancellations makes about as much sense to me as being mad about a company dropping a specific fragrance of soap. If it doesn't sell, it doesn' sell. Unless the reason a show is renewed or cancelled is sketchy, it's just the price of business. I'm more likely to get angry about obnoxious fans on either side of the equation.
ReplyDeleteI agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Entitled, obnoxious fans irritate me more than shows being renewed. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
ReplyDeleteI'm voting "TV Show being canceled after only one or two seasons".
ReplyDeleteBecause of recent years we have seen the making of one season shows like The Tomorrow People, Dracula and some others. The shows some are good other not, but almost all of them get to second or maybe if they are lucky to the end of the season to post the news about the cancellation.
I agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Obnoxious fans irritate me more than shows being renewed. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
ReplyDeleteDahne, I've replied to this but my comments are held in moderation. I do not know why. There is no foul language. Just an agreement with your above comment and example of why I agree.
ReplyDeleteFunny, I think I see why now.
ReplyDeleteI agree and I also don't understand people who hate on a show being renewed for 7+ seasons. Example- Supernatural. If the show has fans, is making money for the network and the cast and crew enjoy what they do, why wish them out of a job? I may not like certain aspects of a show or the direction it's taken but that doesn't mean I want it canceled. That's related more to spite than actual reasons a show can and should be canceled. Also, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
Neither. It all depends on the show, some deserve to be cancelled after one or two season s, others don't and some deserve to be renewed beyond several seasons when others don't. There is no right answer for me, it all depends on the shows in question.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Besides, if a show gets renewed so many times then clearly *someone* is enjoying watching it. If I'm watching a show that gets renewed despite the fact that, in my opinion, it didn't deserve it then I simply stop watching.
ReplyDeleteI think that the author meant good shows being cancelled early and shows that shouldn't be renewed (yes, I know, subjective) getting new seasons. It's hard to imagine anyone being angry about a horrible show being cancelled early or a good show being allowed to continue.
ReplyDeleteIt was deleted, so let me rephrase. I simply agree with everything you posted above and disagree with my previous comment being deleted. If a show has 7+ renewals, it has fans and is making money for the network. The cast and crew must enjoy having a job and I wouldn't wish them canceled just because the show is "older" or fell out of favor with some fans while picking up new ones.
ReplyDeleteOT- I'm catching up on Teen Wolf today! I can't wait any longer. The vids you tweeted last night put me into Stiles withdrawals.
I been Begging for years to have Supernatural End ever sents Season 7. That when the show lost its heart for me.
ReplyDeleteYou are right if the fans and the Cast still love the show there making go ahead and last long but the bad writing and the story line will piss some fans off who been a fan ever sents the 1 season that they be like forget this.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely! It's no skin off my nose if a show that obviously enough people are watching gets renewed. Obviously there's still a market for that show. Let NCIS run for a gabillion years. If I don't like it, I won't watch it. I dropped Supernatural this year (although I am marathoning season 9 this week) but that didn't mean that I was wishing for its demise. It's pretty much died for me but I hope it goes to 12 years or more if the fans are still there. Ultimately people will get tired of a show or they won't. If they do, it will eventually be canceled as ratings drop or the show's stars get tired of it too. If not, then obviously there's enough love to continue. Either way, it doesn't effect what I'm watching.
ReplyDeleteYep, and when that happens enouigh ratings fall and it automatically gets cancelled. TV is like any other business and has its own Darwinism. The popular thrive and the unpopular sink. Such is life.
ReplyDeleteDisqus can be quite the pain. Sometimes when it's getting stuck I check my settings. This is especially true when I have to keep signing in every single time I want to comment. Sometimes clearing my browsing data helps too. Other times it is just Disqus. I find that if I wait a few minutes it will sometimes pop up later. Oh technology - it's great when it works.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering where you were. I missed my live tweet partner. Hope work doesn't interfere with you going us tonight. Stiles Withdrawal is a dangerous thing. We're all going to be goingthrough it soon. Sigh, yet another hellatus to endure. At elast fall TV is just around the corner.
ReplyDeleteOh Enlisted, how I miss it. I wish that more people knew about this underrated gem. The Hill brothers and company were so much fun.
ReplyDeleteAnd THAT beyond my understanding. And no, I don't get this nonsense "I invested so many years of my life into it, I can't just drop it". Yes, you can and you probably should,. If you can't then don't complain because you are contributing into the renewal of this particular show you are begging to be ended.
ReplyDeleteAs Dahne posted above this is pure and simple business. If it sells it goes. Viewers annoyed enough - they left- viewership drops- show ends. What is so complicated about it?
I'm off for the holiday so I hope to be live tweeting! I want to catch all that I missed before the end. I miss it.
ReplyDeleteI think it's about the notion that a show should have an appropiate ending instead of stretching things out just for the sake of making money.
ReplyDeleteI'm always happy for the Supernatural fans when the show gets renewed, but I had to stop watching halfway through season 7 because it wasn't the same anymore; I felt absolutely no tension because I already knew the Winchesters would make it through everything somehow. During season 5 it felt like the show was ending and that there was an incoming sacrifice that made everything very tense, I didn't know how things were going to be resolved. But once season 6 started it felt like Sam and Dean could take on anything that came after them, after all they defeated the devil himself! And this phenomenon also happened while watching Smallvile, which wasn't compelling to me after season 6.
So in a way I would have loved for those shows to have ended while I still loved them, but Smallvile went on and SPN is still running and I accept that, someone is/was enjoying those shows, so good for them, but I'm always there thinking: why if it ended on a high note, when I still loved the show? For me that would have been for the best
While shows should be able to hold on their own, we can't say a show like Enlisted was given a fair shot, being shipped to Fridays after Raising Hope which got like 0.8 at best.
ReplyDeleteI agree completely; The Secret Circle had a lot of potential that was unexplored due to its cancellation, and Supernatural could have ended on a really high note on season 5
ReplyDeleteWe've missed you. It will be good to have you back tonight.
ReplyDeleteI get mad about cancellations, but not really for the business itself, I get mad about people not giving true gems a chance; there are really amazing and amabitious shows out there and sometimes people just feel like tuning into more traditional TV. So it's more about getting mad about people not watching a show than being angry at the business itself
ReplyDeleteRight now I jsut ended episode 9 and remember exactly why I dropped this show in the first place. Too much angel junk, more contrived brother drama. I did very much like Bad Boys though. It felt like a traditional seasons 1-3 SPN episode to me. I wish they would do more of those. Plus I think the kid that played young Dean was the best one yet.
ReplyDeleteShows being cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons. Usually, that's when a serial's mythology (if applicable) starts to jump off and/or start developing beyond the initial idea that sparked the show. The latter can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on whether it feels like natural progression for the characters.
ReplyDeleteshows being cancelled, some shows are good and dont deserve to die so soon and the worst is that sometimes they end on crazy cliffhanger (FlashForward, TSC comes to mind), it's not really fair.
ReplyDelete"Mad" probably isn't the best term. I think disappointed applies when a series crafts a cliffhanger knowing it's on the bubble (or maybe not knowing and getting axed). For example, The Glades. That's a bit more frustrating than the other options. Honestly, if a network show produces 44 or so episodes - that's four seasons of cable. I think it's a matter of whether a show is still on a creative high rather than seasons. IDK why anyone would be upset about a long-running series being renewed. If you've hated it for seven seasons, you probably shouldn't be following its renewal prospects anyway.
ReplyDeleteCancelled after only a season or two. Mainly because if I was into the show, I would've liked to see where else it could've gone. I understand the complaints some people have about shows that have been on for years getting renewed-not knowing when to quit and all that. But personally, even if the latter seasons of a show aren't as strong as the early ones, I'm one who can find something to like about every season of a show I watch, so as long as everyone who works on the show is still on board with continuing, and they can still find some good stories to come up with here and there, then I'm fine with letting them continue. Plus, some shows can rebound after a slump midway through their runs, too, so...
ReplyDeleteBut if a show ends after it's barely started, there's so many missed opportunities there, and I find that a shame.
Agree about angel junk. And about Bad Boys. Hope you'll like next few eps, its pretty good.
ReplyDeleteTechnically you haven't droped SPN if you marathoning it :)
Not every show is terrible after 5 seasons and if it is, I can always choose not to watch it. I can't un-cancel a show, which is why I picked that option.
ReplyDeleteI choose the first one cause I for one think that rating pretty flawed. I guess what gets mad is once you start getting into a new show boom it's gone. At least give it a chance to blossom a little or find its audience. Most of these canceled shows do have an audience but most people don't watch them live. People nowadays watch their shows on iTunes, network website, netflix, hulu and etc... I just think if the networks took these things into consideration most of these canceled would still be on air today. It's just stupid to cancel a show based on a small group of people.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if it's a show I don't watch or have never watched, why do I care that it got renewed or canceled? I have too many shows on my "must see" list to worry about ones I will never watch.
ReplyDeleteThis. Just because I don't watch it doesn't mean anything, if the show has fans elsewhere, they deserve a chance to have their favorite show come back as much as I do the shows I love. And if a show I like doesn't get renewed while a show I don't care for does, I don't get attacking the fans of the renewed show, or the show itself, for that decision. It's not like the fans and the people on the show I don't watch purposefully conspired to get my favorite show taken off the air or something. Like stated elsewhere, TV is a business and there's all sorts of reasons why some shows make it and others don't. Yelling at the fans or hating actors on a show you (general "you") don't like because your favorite series didn't get renewed seems really pointless and stupid to me.
I'm taking neither.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes me mad most is the CEOs darlings being renewed and renewed DESPITE awfull ratings while shows with similar, if not better, ratings are canned despite being the (financial) better decision given that most of the CEO favs rarely have budget cuts
Gossip Girl being the most popular and despicable example. Dawn Ostroff used to cancel shows left and right to keep up the budget for that show to keep it in NY (a terribly expensive location). If she would have merely decided to move the show to LA or Vancouver they could have saved money AND kept a show they had to can for it.
Reign vs. Tomorrow People is still itching me but it`s less of a 'CEO favourite' but rather the more prestigeous product. Reign is simply a show that appeals more to the CWs demo.
That being said: Grey's Anatomy, The Vampire Diaries, CSI and Bones needs to end this season. Not because I`m generally against shows surviving 10 or more seasons but rather these shows being creatively dried out.
Greys has lost its appeal to me (that is my subjective perception) in season 4 while it began repeating itself from 7 onwards. This is a show that should be ended simply because cast and crew deserve more than a constantly repeating cycle of storylnes that somehow are the same.
The Vampire Diaries is at its creative end, they had interesting ideas and storyarcs in its earlier seasons but now the shows writers have obviously lost their focus, they may have some ideas left but they seem to be incapable of writing them over more and more romantic scenes. If the writers can't write for their characters and their storyline and only have eyes for one couple they have lost all respect I had for them and doomed the show.
CSI and Bones are special cases, I have recently caught up with Bones' 9th season and all I can say is that I enjoyed it. It still has its charm but there`s one thing that show isn't save of: the CSI factor. It may still be enjoyable but it is the same each week, a bit like purgatory. You somehow like it and somehow don't. Creatively both shows are done. The same goes for Criminal Minds. Crime procedurals are fine but should go on for more than 7 seasons.
Oh, also I need Castle to end after a final 8th season, Revenge to reboot itself with new protagonists, CBS to say goodbye to one of their NCIS shows, Beauty and the Beast/Heart of Dixie/Reign to say goodbye this season, The Mindy Project to either turn itself around or just end and the Simpsons to finally come to a conclusion
Show being canceled while a much lower rated one is renewed by the same network.
ReplyDelete"Bad shows getting renewed"
ReplyDelete-Bad for whom?
"good shows getting cancelled".
-Again, good for whom?
Absolutely annoying if a show with potential gets cancelled after first season. Most shows need more than one season to develop into a great show. House and 24 are the only shows where I sticked with them until the end. For me a show cannot run too long, because I jump ship before that if I don't like it. I don't need closure for beloved characters, so if others enjoy a show after season 7, that is fine by me.
ReplyDeleteLongmire was A&E's highest rated show.
ReplyDeleteThey canceled it.
Look at Sons of Anarchy. The showrunner is ending it at seven years because he feels his story has been told. Would it still make money? Hell, yes! Are fans panicking? Pretty much. Breaking Bad went as far as it could and Mad Men was terrible for the first half of the last season. A lot of things to consider.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this, because in the end it's the main point. However I voted for "being renewed beyond 7 seasons" because there is a statistical certainty even good shows will lose their steam and overstay their welcome after an x amount of seasons. That x is usually between 5 to 8 seasons, so 7 is about right...
ReplyDeleteI am a firm believer that good shows should go out on top, for the sake of storytelling the characters and posterity of the show.
I'd rather have a great piece of TV that lasted 4 seasons, than a show that I used to love when it started out but couldn't really sit through the last 5 seasons, because of the decline in quality and repetitiveness of stories and arcs.
Lol The Simpsons won't end until they're dead at this rate.
ReplyDeleteI'm still bothered by Firefly and TSCC.
ReplyDeleteThere are so many options I would add to the list. A couple of examples: A show being canceled on a cliff hanger. A show with decent ratings being canceled.
ReplyDeleteFirst option for sure! Overall I find it hard to judge a show's quality with only one season!
ReplyDeleteI can't say I get mad when shows get renewed. Sure I do have an opinion about it sometimes, but overall it's all up to me if I want to quit watching a show I don't like anymore and it's always good news for the fans who are still hooked I guess ;) .
Not sure how someone would get more mad with a show renewed at eternum than with a show that gets cancelled after a season. If a show gets renewed and you didn't want it to, you can simply stop watching. If a show gets cancelled and you didn't want it to, you are screwed, so it's really an easy choice.
ReplyDeleteWhile that is true, I simply don't see how it compares to having a show you like removed from the air. You always have the option of stop watching and pretend that the last episodes you've seen was the ending if you want to. With a cancelled show there is nothing you can do, it's just gone
ReplyDeleteI agree. It always sucks when our shows get cancelled regardless of whether or not they were given fair shots, but when they weren't it's even worse because we feel like they could have done much better in other situations.
ReplyDeleteI would also add the cases in which networks could obviously have gone the other way but didn't. Suburgatory was one of these cases and it's one of the cancellations that saddened me the most.
A lot of your points are based on false premises. Gossip Girl always had the ratings for renewals compared with other CW shows. This is true just by looking at the usual 18-49 ratings. However, the show was a high seller especially with the W18-34 demo which made it even more valuable than the 18-49 would suggest, which means its renewal was always justified. The only year in which I felt was dubious was the renewal to the final season but even then it was probably still more profitable for the CW than a sophmore season of a failed freshman like the secret circle (and I say this as a fan of the secret circle) due to syndication and the 18-34 dollars. And it was only a wrap up 10 episode season anyway.
ReplyDeleteReign was also slighly higher rated than The Tomorrow People and, again, had much more favorable numbers in the subset of the demo that sells the best with advertisers, so it was picked up while TTP wasn't (again, I was a fan of TTP, so no bias here).
Especially generic procedural tv shows that get renewed over original interesting concepts.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't. Bates Motel is A&E highest rated show. Total viewers don't matter, demo does.
ReplyDeleteI can, but it's not the same. With Supernatural I did that, but Kripke himself said he wanted to end Supernatural a little bit different before he left the show, so I'm always left wondering how that would have been.
ReplyDeleteI'm ok with people enjoying the show after I dropped it, but at the same time it's sad to see it running and thinking "it's not the same anymore", while with ended shows I can say "it ended on a high note" and remember them fondly.
In the end it's not about people enjoying it, I have absolutely no problem with that, in fact I'm happy about them, but there is a part of me that wants a good resolution brought in time that fits the show altogether. That's why I'd like for the shows that I watch that they don't go beyond season 6 or 7 (unless they are comedies, Friends lasted 10 seasons and I enjoyed them all)
I'm also thinking of ABC saying that they tried Trophy Wife on Wednesdays but it still didn't work.
ReplyDeleteTV Show being canceled after only one or two seasons, I hate that lol
ReplyDeleteSometimes shows get stale with age though. Some shows end up repeating story lines over and over and over again. Sometimes it's nice to end the show when the tires are still burning.
ReplyDeleteI still watch but the quality of the show imo has gone down the drain simply because it's not original anymore- the Winchesters are always getting caught up in the same story lines (normal vs. hunting life, trusting the wrong angel/demon, angel story dragged out, etc.) and they keep changing the mythology/twisting it to a point it doesn't hardly resemble the original mythology set up by 7 previous seasons of the show.
ReplyDeleteIf the viewer doesn't have Nielsen box then they don't count towards the rating so it doesn't matter if they watch.
ReplyDeleteAnd Supernatural's writers need to step up game - the show doesn't have to end if they can fix the annoyances.
Sometimes it is the night/time because people have other shows and people tend to watch less TV on weekend nights.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your last part about caring if shows I don't watch get renewed or cancelled. Since I don't watch, I of course won't care.
ReplyDeleteFans invested in a show get angry because they spend a lot of time supporting the show and watching it/using up time. They just want a pay-off for it which is the entertainment they expect in a general sense. I don't think any reasonable fan would expect everything to go there way. They're not writing the story.
Yeah TV is so subjective. I wish my favorite shows always ran with the crowd. Would make my life less stressful. lol
ReplyDeleteWill always miss Awake and Almost Human.
ReplyDeleteI'm not like that. I need closure. I've never dropped a show I watched for more than one season. And it's why when a show is cancelled on a cliffhanger I am upset.
ReplyDeleteNielsen Box ratings (18-49 & 19-34 demos), are the most important factor for a network. And they are given the most weight by far. But they are not the only factor that matters. With cable and satellite boxes, DVRs and On-Demand, next day online services like Hulu Plus, the networks know how many overall viewers a series has. They take that into account, so it does matter if they watch. Heck they even know about how many torrents a show has. Though i doubt that carries any weight.
ReplyDeleteI watch too many shows anyway ... at some point I have to let go of some because of the time issue. My point was that just because I moved on I want others who still like to watch continue to do so. I don't think shows after season 7 are generally bad so they should end. That was the starting point of the poll.
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