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Arrow - Season 3 - Stephen Amell Interview [VIDEO]

30 Jul 2014

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89 comments:

  1. Juliana Carvalho30 July 2014 at 13:50

    I really enjoy watching Stephen's interviews 'cause I feel like he's really interested in his character, thinks about what Oliver would or wouldn't do and actually fights the producers about this things, like the fact that he didn't want Oliver to be a womanizer anymore.
    I'm rewatching S01 and lol at the Steve Aoki comment, i didn't know he and Devon were related!

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  2. O D A30 July 2014 at 16:39

    He is so good at interviews. So involved with the show and character. And he respects his co stars a lot.:)

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  3. laurakaneCB30 July 2014 at 19:37

    Totally agree.. I can't stand the hardcore shippers!!

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  4. LU30 July 2014 at 19:39

    agreed I don't want it to be the whole show because of
    the fans influencing writers.

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  5. Brian30 July 2014 at 20:24

    I want Flaurel to happen - chick bromance. The Olicity thing is only fun until it's not.

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  6. Victoria Llanos30 July 2014 at 20:48

    Oh god... I couldn't agree more with what you wrote if I'd written it myself... It really isn't Olicity that I hate so much as the fans that ship them, they are almost as bad as the beasties. Although I do dislike the because I think that they sacrificed a great part of what made Felicity great (and I'm a Felicity fan), for Olicity snippets (i.e. Felicity glancing at Oliver longingly) for the annoying shippers.

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  7. Sparky30 July 2014 at 21:19

    i rather see more of Felicity & Sara friendship. If they add Laurel into the mix it will seem that Felicity can only be friends with the chicks that Oliver banged.

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  8. Sparky30 July 2014 at 21:22

    Ronnie is also fiance of Caitlin. I think the Flash producers have their own problems with their ships already. They not gonna add to that.

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  9. Sparky30 July 2014 at 21:56

    You know i have seen both shipper sides being obnoxious. You mentioned all the wrong doings of the O/F ship what about the other side. The Lauriver fans sending Stephen Amell hate for the things he said at the con. Demanding that he be fired. Sending hate tweets to writers & EPs for not liking the direction of SL. There is a section of their fans accusing the F/O fans of being racist because they are not shipping Felicty and Diggle.


    I have my own issues with KC but those are based on her public appearances. She herself adds fuel with how she responds about other characters or not even bothering to answer a question about her own character. And the way she portrayed Laurel was so bad but was even worsen by the EPs insistence that we will get an Emmy worthy performance by KC.


    You know i am actually start to like the O/F fandom just by the amount of "hate" they are getting. They were always told never gonna happen. Its not in the comics. And then that fake out i love you. But their fans still were behind that pair.
    But then i also got turned off by the Lauriver fandom when i visited the IMDB Arrow forum. That place is basically for Laurel fans only. And they always have a theory have Felicity is Robert Queens daughter. Like their newest theory on Felicity's paternity: Apparently she is a test tube baby fathered by Robert Queen. And it made me wanna throw up. And no i don't visit tumblr, because that place is insane.

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  10. LU30 July 2014 at 22:25

    However I would also add the one other segment of Olicity and ship
    Stemily as well - they actively ship the actors into a relationship
    regardless of the fact Stephen is happily married. Some have placed hate
    on his wife, photoshopped their baby into a photo of Oliver and
    Felicity or was it Stephen and Emily.

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  11. Sparky30 July 2014 at 23:03

    I seen that in many pairings on TVs so its nothing new. I remember seeing those things happen on Greys Anatomy also. I felt sickened by it, but its not something its gonna turn me against a pair. Its how crazy fans operate. And every fandom has those. My experience was always that these crazies are in minority, and most fans are not like that. So i try not to venture anywhere where those things could be evident. Also my reason to avoid tumblr.


    I actually thought IMDB forum would be a perfect place for a show like Arrow. With people with loads different opinions who can have an interesting discussions. But if you aren't Laurel fan its not a place you will feel welcomed. And for me IMDB issue isn't Laurel fans i think some of them are quite nice (just not on that site). My problem with IMDB that every other character than Laurel gets torn apart. And i heard from people that i know they were actually harassed and given the advice rather not to return. Just because they expressed their view of Laurel.

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  12. Brian31 July 2014 at 06:40

    I know that but I think she's destined to becoming Killer Frost. Besides I'm not saying it would happen this season.

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  13. Brian31 July 2014 at 06:43

    They said there is going to be a friendly scene between the 2 in an upcoming episode. I think episode 3.

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  14. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 09:09

    Even when someone tries to create a positive Olicity thread there's always someone who comments on how Olicity is terrible... SMH. Arrow's IMDB thread is just run by a Laurel stan mafia. THat's what I thought of it.

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  15. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 09:12

    Doesn't Caitlin become Killer Frost because her Fiance dies? I'm not sure of the comics but this is what I've heard. Also, I don't think it could be a possible retcon unless Ronnie comes over to Arrow. There's no way in hell the EPs are going to let Felicity move to Arrow because she adds levity to the show and is one of the most popular characters on it alongside Diggle.

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  16. Shannon31 July 2014 at 10:54

    This interview made me so happy. That is all.

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  17. Shannon31 July 2014 at 11:06

    Here here! JFC! I have nothing else to add. Well said. Very well said. Thank you.

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  18. Shannon31 July 2014 at 11:11

    I had no idea about the Threats that Stephen was getting b/c of what he said, and that's just downright disgusting!! That really just turned me off completely. I know exactly what you're talking about with IMDB, i used to go on their to read comments just for fun, and the things they say about Felicity alone..ugh!! I can't even enjoy ANY thread they post, about any character b/c it always somehow gets turned back to how Felicity is this that and the other, i just stopped going on there. smh.

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  19. Shannon31 July 2014 at 11:12

    IMDB is like that. Agreed.

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  20. Alex Forrest31 July 2014 at 12:39

    I think Starling is unfortunately lacking in chicks Oliver hasn't banged (who aren't his relatives), so tough luck for Felicity, there.

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  21. Alex Forrest31 July 2014 at 12:45

    I can't believe some TV viewers are so psycho. To think that someone would send Stephen or his wife threats because the show isn't going the way of their pairing (whichever pairing it is) is really disturbing! Poor Stephen. And his wife, and Emily, Katie, Caity and everyone else who has become a target for hateful comments of "fans" who can't tell the difference between TV and reality.

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  22. Sparky31 July 2014 at 13:40

    Yes Sara is one of the chicks Oliver banged but at least there always seem to be a friendship connection there. I was so upset when they cut several Sara and Felicity scenes. You are right about Caitlin but i don't think we will ever experience it on screen. I am not sure how they can make me believe a F/L friendship from the start. If they wanna go there we need to see progress because of the way earlier encounters were shown. And i think Marc said its a "good" scene that could mean anything.

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  23. O D A31 July 2014 at 15:59

    I am tired of people bashing against Olicity shippers in every thread in this forum. Is it that big of a crime to be a part of the biggest fandom. Everyone who is not an Olicity shipper has this holier than thou attitude to them and act like they are the only genuine fans of the show.

    There are problematic fans in every part of this fandom. I have seen Laurel/Lauriver fans call Olicity shippers as atrociters. They threw a big tantrum when Olicity storyline was revealed. I myself was bashed by Sara fans last season for calling Caity Lotz a bad actor. Sara fans created a huge issue when someone criticized Caity's looks (I am not saying they were right in doing so). But the very same people used to criticize KC like hell on her looks here. Talking about bashing Sara and Caity, it was not just Olicity fans. Laurel fans also were in the fore front as they hated someone else came as Canary.

    I can see from all the posts you have done that you are a Laurel fan. Good for you. Why don't you write more about your favorite character and stop bashing Olicity fans.

    Not even one Olicity fan posted even a comment on this thread forget an obnoxious one. You just had to bash them. I don't understand why every Laurel fan finds the need to bash Olicity fandom to prop their favorite character.

    Also this is not the first fandom rabid shippers are there. Back from the times of Roswell onwards I am seeing ship wars. This is a part of tv show. You don't like something on screen blame the writers. None of the Olicity shipper put a gunon their head and made them write this season.

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  24. O D A31 July 2014 at 16:09

    Every part of Arrow fandom had something or the other to rejoice about after SDCC. Every character in this show has positive things to look forward to. Be it Laurel, Felicity, Sara, Thea or Diggle. But hey, why speak about that when we can bash each other for liking some thing else than our own preference. Fan pandering my ass.

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  25. O D A31 July 2014 at 16:19

    I am seriously thinking of becoming an Olicity shipper just because anti Olicity people are annoying me.

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  26. Juliana Carvalho31 July 2014 at 16:26

    Some people are the worst. Ugh!

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  27. O D A31 July 2014 at 16:30

    Every part of Arrow fandom got some news to rejoice after SDCC. Great things are happening for all the characters from Felicity, Laurel, Sara, Thea and Diggle. But let's not talk about that and bash others beacuse they don't like the things that I do on the show.


    I come here at Spoiler TV to discuss Arrow because this is the place in internet where every part of fandom can participate equally. I have had in depth discussions with Felicity fans, Laurel fans, Thea fans, Sara fans and all kind of shippers and general fans here in this forum. Any time a ship war has happened here it was because someone would bring leftover grudge from something happened else where. Be it tumblr, Facebook, Twitter or Youtube. If I want to discuss about stuff happening there I would go there.


    Let's all keep Spoiler TV a healthy place to discuss all parts of our favorite show in respectful manner. I myself had a long discussion about Laurel whom I dislike a lot with @IvyB last week here. She love Laurel. We discussed different aspects of her character, what we liked, disliked and what we would like to see. In the end I became hopeful for Laurel :) So it is possible to have healthy discussions.

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  28. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 16:38

    I am right there with you. I've honestly had enough of this. Bring on the damn fanfiction :p (alas, I have no time for them but hopefully the statement still stands).

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  29. O D A31 July 2014 at 16:40

    People have predicted the Felicity/Laurel fun scene to be about salmon ladder or Oliver/Diggle/Roy training. I don't want that. That will make even the joke about the dudes. I want Felicity and Laurel to just start discussing dress, shoes and nail color in the Arrow cave. Something like ooohh that's a good dress. I know a place where I get discount I will take you there thing.

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  30. LU31 July 2014 at 16:42

    Why? you ask, well here are a few pointers from my pov. Other people may have their own reasons





    -Olicity induced poor writing of the relationship, the individual characters and the show overall

    -Lack of genuine writing, acting, maybe even directing from the early relationship/interaction

    -Olicity monopoly in the show to the detriment of our other favourites characters, relationships and plots.

    -Fanservice

    -Lots of entitled and malicious extremist Felicity/Oliciters influencing the writers = also read the above.

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  31. LU31 July 2014 at 16:42

    - Plus, the age difference with the actors.

    - She worked for him, he was her boss. Don't screw the crew.

    - As I like to say they are 50 shades of awkward.

    - Nothing in common

    - They seem more like friends to me, and he appeared big brotherly - protective of her to begin with.

    - Felicity is inexperienced in relationship, naive and Oliver is too experienced.

    - Did i mention their fandom

    - Did i mention they are not canon (I don't care if Oliver hooked up with other people)

    - Making Felicity a love interest takes away from the story line and
    Oliver Queen as Green Arrow, as they work together and then if they are
    together it becomes just about them. The show is so much more than
    that. And is what I expect we are going to see so much of in Season 3.

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  32. LU31 July 2014 at 16:43

    I think the pairing is just going to end badly. One its not going to
    last we know that for sure and two Felicity is apart of his "team" it
    complicates things a whole lot more if they started being romantic
    together. Plus I like Felicity, you know he is going to break her heart.

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  33. LU31 July 2014 at 16:43

    So in short, there is an active base of Olicity that is quite toxic in the Arrow fandom.

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  34. LU31 July 2014 at 16:44

    And
    do you know what the WORST thing is? That the only ones the
    producers/network listen to are these twitter/tumblr fangirls! According
    to someone I talked to, they pay little attention to boards like imdb
    and reddit, because those who post on these boards are already hardcore
    fans. Tumblr and twitter are more highly valued and given more attention
    because there is a chance for potential viewers who never knew about
    Arrow to see Arrow posts made by fans and check out the show. That
    person also claimed that the show's advertisers care only about twitter.




    So, if the people here on imdb want to let their voices be heard by
    Guggenheim, Kreisnerg et al, you better get on twitter and tumblr ASAP,
    and let them know what YOU think about the show. Otherwise season three
    might turn into an even worse Olicity-fest than SDCC and the promo
    trailer...considering that tumblr/twitter are 80% Felicity/Olicity, and
    that those folks are the only ones that the TPTB apparently pay any
    attention to.

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  35. LU31 July 2014 at 16:45

    because it looks like the creators are catering to the demands of the
    fan-girls, who see themselves as the little nerdy, yet astonishing sexy
    sidekick of their beloved Oliver Queen. For them this relationship would
    be a bridge into their strange fixation on Stephen Amell. Granted he
    seems like a nice guy and he DOES look terrific but the amounts of
    strange "I love you so much" posts one sees on his facebook page is
    weird.

    I don´t think it would be a good idea, cause it can´t last. Thats
    not how light Tv-shows like arrow or Tv romances in general go. They
    would love each other, they would fall apart, it would compromise their
    operation, there would be some reconciliation and after that she would
    become some kind of hero in her own rights. Boring as fvck and seen so
    many times. Arrow could be more interesting by skipping that crap. Keep
    focusing on a darker approach and put more emphasis on the moral
    conflict of having a league of assassin member as friend.

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  36. O D A31 July 2014 at 16:46

    I just want Felicity to have friendship with someone other than Digg. I don't care if its Sara, Laurel, Thea or Roy. Since they said Felicity/Laurel scene is coming I will root for them :)


    I truly think Olicity thing can be a good thing for the show if they treat it carefully and don't make Felicity all about Oliver which from the interviews I don't think they will. It is a great news for Laurel that Olicity is happening. Laurel was pulled down these past two seasons because of her thing with Oliver. Now she can move on and realize her potential.

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  37. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 16:52

    Why are people so quick to predict what will happen? We don't KNOW if they will end badly. So why are we even talking about it?

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  38. Sparky31 July 2014 at 16:58

    Thats where i am atm. And the more people complain i think to myself: you go olicity shippers.

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  39. Jon31 July 2014 at 17:09

    As one of the 'comic book faithful' folks (if you're not going to respect the source material, why bother making an adaption of it at all?). I just have to one question.

    "According to my sources, 23000 people bought GA comics"

    Which version of the comic are you refering too? There's been a few over the last 40 years. Not counting the rebooted New 52 version.

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  40. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 17:22

    In my humble opinion, you can respect the source material without having to follow the source material down to the tee. I mean Oliver/Felicity wouldn't even be a thing if the higher ups at DC don't want it to. If they (such as Geoff Johns) don't mind it, why should others be bothered by it? As long as the story in the show flows well, makes sense, and isn't constrained to comic canon (thus giving the writers and EPs freedom to be more creative), I don't see what the problem is? I fear another HIMYM issue would come up if they just paint themselves into a corner because of canon.


    I'm pretty sure it's not the new 52. Didn't New 52 sell over a hundred thousand? And that's not just GA but Batman, Justice League etc.? Help a non-comic book watching girl out please! :p But even if you go by that, I've heard Oliver isn't with Laurel in that one so I don't understand why people cry comic canon even when a romantic pairing between Oliver/Felicity is even slightly alluded to? People just need to go with the flow. If they don't end up together, I don't mind as long as the writers make the story make sense. I also wouldn't mind seeing Oliver end up alone because he is a bit of a manwhore (something I hope he will grow out of this season).

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  41. O D A31 July 2014 at 17:46

    And enough with the fan pandering comment when things don't go their way. Olicity shippers should take the terms fan service and fan pandering as compliments.

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  42. LU31 July 2014 at 17:47

    I like Emily Bett
    Rickards, but damn, make her, her own character, not some side chick
    for Oliver to string along. Now I feel that's going to overshadow
    her main role on Team Arrow. I'm not a fan of that particular angle
    of the show, I've said my full piece about it, and now I will shut up
    forever about it.

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  43. LU31 July 2014 at 17:49

    See that's about 70%
    of the problem I have with this Olicity angle right there! It is now
    seeming like the writers and actors are having to carefully guide
    around Olicity storyline to pander to fan-girls..

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  44. LU31 July 2014 at 17:51

    They have
    effectively hog tied the screen writers into giving Felicity,
    slightly, more importance than the character would have originally
    had without them. where diggle thea , laurel roy Sandra hawke character development ..

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  45. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 17:51

    Mark Guggenheim stated that Felicity will be having her own identity crisis this year: Am I just Oliver's crush, or am I my own person? I feel like the latter will be proven by the end of the season what with her dating Ray Palmer and doing her own thing at QC (if she does go for the job which I think she will). The EPs promised that we'll get to know more about her this season and hopefully this will clear things up.

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  46. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 17:58

    Sandra Hawke was on screen for approximately 2.5 seconds so no, she will not get development on Arrow and wasn't meant to be a developed character. IMO Felicity and Digg are the least developed characters on the show because a lot of the screentime was dedicated towards Sara/Laurel/Lance Family/Oliver/Slade.


    But like ODA said, no one is pointing the gun towards the writers and EPs head making them give Felicity more screentime (I say screentime because I believe she's one of the most important characters on the show along side with Digg/Oliver). And quite frankly, she didn't even have a lot of screentime last season. She had what, 2 minutes max per episode?


    And you argue below that Felicity is not her own person (considering the limited amount of screentime) yet you also argue that the writers are giving her more importance? Why are you setting up a lose lose situation for Felicity? How do you expect her to grow as a character without giving her more screentime/importance? I find it quite unfair for her character.


    It just seems like you're being a bit bitter because Laurel isn't being given the same attention. IDK.

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  47. O D A31 July 2014 at 18:03

    You don't have to shut up about things you dislike. That was definitely not my intention. You dislike Olicity and that's absolutely okay and it is your right.


    Personally for me I neither like nor dislike said pairing.If you asked about Olicity at the beginning of season 2 I would have said hell no. But there were scenes last season that showed growing feelings between the two. Or that's how I interpreted it. So now that they are making this pairing a thing makes all those scenes not a tease. That does not mean I believe Felicity is going to be the last woman in a relationship with Oliver.


    Unlike you I believe Felicity is already her own character. Also there is good story lines for her coming up season 3. So I don't think she will just be a love interest. We have to wait and see.


    I don't mind you discussing things you don't like but intentionally bringing ship wars on to a thread without any provocation does not make you any better than those rabid shippers who storm any article on net. I have spoken against some Felicity shipper also who said Felicity is going to be usewd to prop Laurel here in this forum. Many others did too. As I said spoilertv is the best place to discuss Arrow. You are always welcome to have civilized discussions about any part of the show with me :)

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  48. O D A31 July 2014 at 18:09

    This show has from season 1 on wards have started story lines, changed it midway because it didn't work with audience or completely dropped some story lines. That's how Arrow writers have worked from the beginning. Look at Sara story line last season. They had plans to make her Ravager earlier last season. But they dropped that and made her into an almost hero (who went with LoA) by the end of the season because people just loved Sara. Their plans always change.


    Fan pandering is a term now used by both sides of fandom when things don't go their way.

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  49. O D A31 July 2014 at 18:26

    We never got a real chance to see Sara/Felicity bonding. I am still bitter about that. About Felicity/Laurel friendship until we see how Laurel fits in with Team Arrow and how much interaction she will have with Digg, Roy and Felicity we can't predict how their friendship will turn out. Sara when came to Starling was most of the time in Arrow cave. So their friendship was just the next step. Maybe the same thing will happen with Laurel/Felicity

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  50. N P31 July 2014 at 18:27

    What I wish Is that everyone would stop being so negative about the show... I cant go ANYWHERE (Stephens FB, interviews about Arrow or L/F) without seeing negative comments about Olicity, Laurel, or even Arrow.
    Whats the point of bashing other fandoms. What do you think the writers or producers would think if they saw ALL these comments. Lauliver or Olicity fans... if we keep this up NEITHER of the fandoms are gonna get what they want.
    For me it gets really annoying people not only bashing Arrow but Stephen. One reason is the Olicity fandom is "getting what they want"
    Honestly can we all grow up..... If Stephen posts something about Olicity/ Or a picture of him and Emily, what do I see in all the comments "oh olicity is just fan service".... "Olicity ruins the show"..... "Felicity is just another person for Oliver to sleep with"... " The show is all about Olicity"... "Olicity fans are pandering the writers and producers"

    Whenenver I see Stephen post a picture with him and Laurel what do I see, olicity fans commenting stuff saying "we like his better (olicity picture)" then Lauliver and Olicity fans start budding heads and then all it becomes (Stephens FB page) a place where Olicity fans and Lauliver fans just argue and bash each other. WHY cant we ALL just stop. Is it really that hard to NOT say anything about each other. AND THIS IS JUST A TV SHOW.
    The fact that there is tags on tumblr/twitter to talk bad about other ships... real classy.
    Its not just the ships anymore. People are now talking bad about Stephen and Arrow. Everybody needs to stop. And I mean everybody, this is getting way out of hand.

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  51. Jon31 July 2014 at 18:30

    "I mean Oliver/Felicity wouldn't even be a thing if the higher ups at DC
    don't want it to. If they (such as Geoff Johns) don't mind it, why
    should others be bothered by it?"

    Since I would prefer Felicity's development embrace the Oracle role fully (which still would respect the comics without being 100% since Barbara Gordon is most likely off-limits with Gotham on the air). If she's another notch on Oliver's bedpost it ruins the great BFF relationship between Oracle and Canary (whoever might inhabit the role). She can't be the one to tough love and say "Hey, what are you doing back with that guy after all he's done to you?" if she too has slept with him.

    They don't need to turn the Birds of Prey into the Oliver's Ex Club. It's bad enough already with him having banged Helena/Huntress.

    " But even if you go by that, I've heard Oliver isn't with Laurel in that
    one so I don't understand why people cry comic canon even when a
    romantic pairing between Oliver/Felicity is even slightly alluded to?"

    Indeed, "Laurel" (as Dinah Laurel Lance) or the Green Arrow/Black Canary relationship does not exist in the New 52, as the role of Black Canary reverted back to the first one, Dinah Drake in the reboot universe. But there's alot more to comic book history canon than just the 'current' incarnation. DC Comics might not longer cater to the older fans that grew up with the Modern Age (1980's - 2011). But people don't forget 30 years of history just because DC thinks we should.

    As for the divorced thing that Oliver/Felicity fans love to press on. Who knows what would have happend if that universe was allowed to continue. It wasn't the first time they broke up.

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  52. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 18:47

    Just as much as how Laurel/Oliver fans (well, the ones I've encountered at least) love to press on the whole "GA/BC are canon!" deal :p


    No but I guess what I sort of failed to articulate was that there are a lot of things going on in comic canon. It's not fair to hate on something based on selective canon issues when there are other scenarios in separate comics that are the direct opposite. The writers could draw inspiration from any of these alternate universes, so it's not right to say 'it's not right because it's not canon'. Ugh I don't think I'm getting the wording right... Regardless, Stephen Amell even said that this is their interpretation of the world, so I don't understand why people expect the writers to follow any of the things that happen in the comics. I for one would've thought it would be exciting for comic book lovers to see the GA world being expanded. But I guess I thought wrong.


    I don't think I've ever used the word canon so much in my entire life.


    I still hope Felicity doesn't go by Oracle because that puts way too many expectations on her character. Maybe she was inspired by Oracle at MIT? Maybe a Barbra Gordon throwback? I think that would be extremely interesting to see!


    I also agree with you in teh sense that if Felicity was just another notch on Oliver's bedpost, I would not condone that relationship at all. But with what the actors and EPs have been saying at Comic Con (about the fact that there is love and a deep sense of companionship there), I feel that maybe Felicity ISN'T just another notch on his bedpost. But that's just IMO.

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  53. O D A31 July 2014 at 18:50

    But its also true that Laurel of comic canon was not saddled with this horrible back story of Oliver cheating on her with her sister, then again having a relationship with the said sister and shout at her when she is at her down low. From what I heard about BC from comics she would have kicked Oliver's ass if anything like this happened. The truth is this Laurel and her backstory is not the same as comic Laurel.


    From what we have seen on the show and the hurt Oliver caused Laurel and Tommy dying for me that ship has sailed. It has an ick factor to me with all the sister swapping happening. That's why people are strongly against this couple.

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  54. Indigo Vine31 July 2014 at 18:59

    I always enjoy Stephen Amell's interviews, thank you SpoilerTV for posting! He is very engaging and enthusiastic about Arrow. I look forward to seeing him more often in the news media.

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  55. Jon31 July 2014 at 19:16

    Correct! Comic book Oliver was a flirt and cheated once before he eventually changed his ways. But nothing so loathsome as the tv-version going for seconds with Sara and really destroying the Oliver they built in season 1. Season 2 was a mess in that regard. Almost made me give up on the show.



    I fully understand understand why people are against the relationship based on that. I could probably not support it until Oliver has a serious dose of soul searching/personal growth, similar to the comics.

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  56. gabygogo31 July 2014 at 19:40

    I always thought she'd break his honestly...I mean how often has Oliver broken hearts versus having his heart broken?

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  57. O D A31 July 2014 at 19:50

    I say never say never. Whatever the writers or SA say this is TV land. If the show goes beyond Season 5 like Smallville or Supernatural there is a fair chance for Oliver/Laurel to happen. But as for the next few seasons no. They should let Laurel go away from this toxic cheating story line and put it to rest. And at this point for the growth of Oliver as a human being it is necessary for him to be in a committed relationship with someone other than Lance sisters.


    If the writers has kept Laurel romantically away from Oliver in season 1 and kept her with Tommy I would have been game for this pairing. Now with season 2 mess I am not sure I will ever root for this pairing. But you never know. They might pull a Gwen Stacy with Felicity. They do like to shock people.


    For now as an audience who don't care about comics I am happy with where the show is going.

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  58. O D A31 July 2014 at 19:53

    My problem with people saying comic canon is they use it only for romance aspect of the show. As if romance is the most important thing in Arrow world. From what I have heard Ra's Al Ghul and Slade Wilson both are not GA villains. They are direct rip off from Batman comics. So villains are okay to be brought in from other comics but love interests are taboo. I don't get it.

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  59. O D A31 July 2014 at 19:59

    I never said it was not. What I said was why give Felicity the characteristics of Barbara Gordon/Oracle when she can be her own character. She is not being introduced as Oracle into the New 52 but as Felicity Smoak as far as we know.

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  60. Jon31 July 2014 at 20:03

    Ah, but Green Arrrow was always a Batman ripoff. The character started out on a rival publisher, before DC bought it out. Billionaire tech based hero, teenage sidekick. Arrowcave, Arrowcar and Arrowplane (yep, these were real things in the early days). In the DC Universe Gotham City and Star City are geographically close together so some blend of criminal elements are natural.

    Deathstroke/Slade Wilson gets around and is in no way exclusive to Batman. He originated in Teen Titans and have appeared in multiple Green Arrow issues.

    Ra's Al Ghul is a different matter. He's definatly more of a Batman villain but HAS been around on the edges of Green Arrow's world. but no direct confrontation.

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  61. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 20:05

    You're right. And what the EPs are promoting is that there's love between them. THey won't outright lie about something like this so this is why I feel as though Felicity isn't just another notch on his bedpost. Hopefully what SA says about Oliver being celibate the entire season is true because I honestly don't like manwhore Oliver :/


    I guess some things that work in the comics don't translate well on screen. Thus necessary adjustments need to be made.


    IDK, I think it would make everyone a whole lot less tense if they just separate the comics from the show and be open to changes because the EPs won't do anything to disrespect the source material.


    It's difficult to do an adaption of something that, as you've stated, have so much history to it. And with new comics coming out, it's even more difficult to base a show completely off of the comics. Like I said before, the writers have changed so much of GA history on the show that now some things, if they did follow the source material, wouldn't make sense to a lot of viewers (aka Laurel/Oliver for now).


    In the end, it's just business. The EPs/DC/WB will do whatever brings in the most business. It's not fair, but right now Oliver/Felicity bring in a lot of business considering just how much they were talked about them throughout the entire summer. If it goes against canon, I doubt the higher ups would care considering they're building a new history on the show right now.


    Again, I'm not a fan of sticking to the source material for TV shows because they go on for so long (5 seasons at least for Arrow). I don't want another HIMYM case where the writers stick to the original plan and just wreck everything they built over the past 9 years. This is what I fear would happen if the writers paint themselves into a corner because of comic canon.

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  62. Jon31 July 2014 at 20:14

    If you didn't know it, one of the EP's (Andrew Kreisberg) has a history of writing for the Green Arrow comic book betwen 2009 and 2010.



    Also the whole bit with Diggle's brother Andy is a giant writer's reference (Andy Diggle wrote Green Arrow: Year One)

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  63. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 20:17

    I heard! It's nice to see someone who's intimate with the GA comics be an EP of the show. Unfortunately I also heard that his comics weren't all too popular? Is that true?

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  64. Jon31 July 2014 at 20:24

    Comic books, like all print media has been in heavy decline for a long time. But yeah, I don't think Kreisberg's run on GA will be remembered as a classic.

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  65. JustGotLittUp31 July 2014 at 20:27

    Spoken like a true politician :p Thanks for the info! The Andy Diggle one was quite interesting. I actually never knew that. It's times like these where I chastise myself for not reading the comics because there are so many easter eggs on the show that I'm completely oblivious to. Kind of disappointing, actually :/

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  66. O D A31 July 2014 at 20:30

    Okay. So why is it that a version of Deathstroke/Slade Wilson can be an Arrow villain. From what I heard in comics he is not a mad man seeking revenge but a mercenary and an anti hero. Also it is okay for a version of Ra's Al Ghul to be Oliver's nemesis. But a version of Felicity Smoak cannot be in a relationship with Arrow? After all she is also a minor part of DC universe. How does that logic work?

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  67. Sparky31 July 2014 at 21:40

    i hated it so much that they cut those scenes of Felicity & Sara. I am still wary of L/F friendship because of the way their interactions were portrayed so far, at least in season 2.

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  68. Jon31 July 2014 at 21:51

    Because Felicity on the show is already pretty close to Oracle in terms of the role she fulfills. Why not make it official.

    Just as if she is introduced into with the New 52 the characteristics of Felicity from the TV show she would be a good candidate to recreate the role of Oracle (Tech wiz/information broker to the JLA) who does not exist yet in the New 52. Barbara Gordon has full use of her legs and is busy swinging around in her Batgirl costume.

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  69. Jon31 July 2014 at 22:01

    Probably because which villain is fighting wich hero carries a considerably less emotional attachment than when you bring in love and romance.

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  70. O D A31 July 2014 at 22:18

    So it is not particularly going against comic canon your problem but not making your ship canon. In the end its all shipping. You are doing the same as Olicity shippers.

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  71. O D A31 July 2014 at 22:24

    Oh I didn't know Gordon was not yet Oracle in New 52. So maybe they are going to do that. But I think hardcore comic book fans might dislike it if they made Felicity Oracle in New 52.
    I thought BoP exists in New 52. So Oracle is not a member there? I am confused now.

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  72. O D A31 July 2014 at 22:39

    Thank you for that info. Now I understand why people want Felicity to be Oracle. So it can go two ways. Either Felicity can become Oracle. I can see that now or Barbara can again get an accident and become Oracle. But will the DC allow GA people to use such a popular Batman super hero side kick character. I thought Batman and Superman characters were considered sacred in DC world.

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  73. Jon31 July 2014 at 22:46

    If they're already saying "Sure thing" on using Ra's Al Ghul I don't see them using Oracle being a problem. Her connection to Green Arrow's world through Black Canary and the Birds of Prey is much stronger than Ra's Al Ghul's (who has a fringe connection at best)

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  74. Euphemia31 July 2014 at 23:00

    I don't mind Olicity happening but the obnoxious fan are the worst. Also real life shipping is creepy. Stephen seems to be happily married and has a kid.

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  75. Euphemia31 July 2014 at 23:01

    IMDB is troll land.

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  76. O D A31 July 2014 at 23:05

    I get that. In Arrow world it is all game. After all its an adaptation. Any super hero who comes into this world will be connected to Arrow. Look at Atom. His origin will be changed to suit Arrow world.
    But my doubt was about the New 52 world. There Ra's Al Ghul is still a Batman villain right with no ties to GA? So will they give Oracle to GA New 52?

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  77. Jon31 July 2014 at 23:23

    Ra's is currently presumed dead in new 52 I think. We'll see how long it sticks. And there is no reason a new person with the hero alias of Oracle can't originate with Green Arrow instead of Batman in this new universe only to later fullfill the same role on Birds of Prey and to the JLA. The history is filled with different people using the same hero name. There's been what four or five different Batgirl, and at least three or four different Robin.

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  78. O D A31 July 2014 at 23:37

    That is true. There were different Flash too right. Also several versions of Blue Beetle and Manhunter.
    Thanks for this conversation. I learned a lot abt comics. Now I can see Felicity as Oracle. BoP is really going to be Oliver's GF club isn't it? Lol.

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  79. Jon31 July 2014 at 23:56

    Always happy to spread some knowledge. As for Birds of Prey, I REALLY hope not. Way to destroy an empowering asskicking all-female superhero team. Have them all sit around comparing notes on the same guy.

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  80. Shannon1 August 2014 at 00:12

    Well if you do, please let me know. I just started a fanfic (my first one ever) It's not just Olicity it's about all the different dynamics with the characters. I just published it to a link. (Needed something to do with this hiatus).

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  81. Sparky1 August 2014 at 08:50

    If they decide they want them to be friends then i need them to show it on screen not just tell me look here Felicity & Laurel are friends. because that is something i wont buy. This show has too any times used the approach tell but don't show, and i think in this case its very important to show it and not tell us in interviews.

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  82. O D A1 August 2014 at 22:08

    Still not an Olicity shipper. Don't mind either way. But I would love to read your work. Give me the link please. I like reading fanfiction when I get time. Have not read much Arrow.

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  83. Zathe5 August 2014 at 10:40

    Maybe you have had some bad experiences on IMDB, but Im not a Laurel fan but Sara and I dont feel that its a Laurel fans only place, that is not to say that I havent been met with hostility with some Laurel diehard fans or that they dont act out. But its a much more less controlled and more liberal place, I have actually met different kinds of fans including Felicity and Olicity fans.
    Now if one goes to places like Fan forums and Previously TV forums, its mostly Felicity/Olicity fans and they make the place unwelcome for others who dont think rainbow shines out of Emily/Felicity/Olicity's ass/es.

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  84. Zathe5 August 2014 at 10:51

    [Funny how selective memory works huh?]

    @Justgotlittup - Funny how selective memory works for you or your side of the fandom.



    Many people dont dislike your fandom for what you love but for what and how your fandom hates. And people have their own opinions, if you dont agree, most times its a good thing to just say I disagree.

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  85. Zathe5 August 2014 at 11:07

    The TV Felicity and new comic Felicity will likely be different, so why would it matter. What goes around does come around......

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  86. O D A5 August 2014 at 12:21

    I do not clearly understand what you man by this. I think you mean its alright to give Felicity the Oracle moniker since TV Felicity and the one coming to GA comics are going to be different. Am I right? Please correct me if I am wrong. Still don't understand what do you mean by what goes around comes around :s

    If you will look down further onto my discussion with Jon on the same you will realize I was ignorant on where New52 comics stand as of now. Since Jon was kind enough to explain to me I think now its alright if Felicity becomes Oracle on Arrow. But still I would like it if she is mentored by Babs in MIT. Oracle is a huge figure in Batman and BoP comics. Even comic ignorants like me know her. It would feel like a poor knock off if they go that way imo.

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  87. O D A5 August 2014 at 12:37

    I agree with you about Fanforum. Laurel fans are not allowed to say anything in her favor unless they accept Olicity too. Anyone who hates Olicity is unwelcomed there. I've been to IMDB too. There are some die hard Laurel fans there who will attack you if you are anti Laurel.


    That's why I stick with Spoiler TV. Shippers are here too. But mostly sensible ones. One or two are here too who likes to pull down actors but mostly we have great discussions here. There are Felicity fans who dislike Olicity, Olicity shippers, Sara fans, Sara/Oliver fans, Diggle fans, Laurel fans and Lauriver fans too even though they are very less in number. But the majority of people here are non-shippers like me who don't care who Oliver ends up with.

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  88. JustGotLittUp5 August 2014 at 17:50

    You don't know what will happen with Oliver/Felicity in the comics and neither does the olicity fandom, and you can't just assume that the Olicity shippers will go batshit crazy if they don't get together in the comics. If they do then go ahead and tell me I told you so, but you have zero basis for your assumptions. There is no precedence because Felicity has never been in the Arrow comics. And I'm on many social media platforms (IMDB, Reddit, PreviouslyTV, SpoilerTV, AVClub, IGN, AND Tumblr) and I've never seen a fan demand that Olicity be the norm for every platform, so either I'm blind or you're just making shit up. I'm going to trust my instincts on this one. I honestly have no idea what selective memory has to do with Felicity being brought into the comics.


    And the reason why I bring up the GA/BC divorce is the fact that a lot of people STILL like to claim they know how things will end up (GA/BC reunion wise). This is simply not what happens in all of the GA universes. The writers pull inspiration from different reboots of GA and not just the ones where GA/BC end up together, so it doesn't make sense for people to hate what's going on because it doesn't abide by canon. Also I really don't appreciate it when people act like they know it all and look down upon the people who still have hope that MAYBE something will happen between their favorite pairing. Sorry, but no one will know what will happen.


    We don't know if the writers are going to go ahead with the GA/BC romance or if they're going to pave their own path. And you really think you have me pegged don't you? I wouldn't mind seeing a GA/BC union if Oliver and Laurel's story was told naturally. Right now (to me) it seems forced and unauthentic which is why I don't support them. But hey, if you just want to go right ahead and assume stuff that's completely wrong, I'm not the one who will look bad. But you will. AGAIN, I don't see what selective memory has to do with this. You're honestly either not understanding what I meant to say or you're just purposely twisting it.


    And if you think Olicity shippers are entitled, selfish, self-centered, then look at the faults of your own fandom before vilifying a group of people (the majority of which haven't done anything wrong). If you think shipper bashing is justified, then shame on you. No bashing is EVER justified. Look at yourself and your fandom before you spew hate because I can tell you for SURE that not every fandom is squeaky clean. I mean whenever I see people cry foul and scream "BUt CANON" that's entitlement. Whenever people raise the racism card for Oliciters not liking Delicity, not is that behaviour toxic, that's one of the worst things I've seen in any fandom. Laurel lovers bashed SA without any consideration of why he said what he said, they also bash Olicity calling htem Atrociters without any consideration to THEIR fandom. I'm not saying that the Laurel fandom is evil. I'm saying that crying about how the Olicity fandom is acting and actively bashing them automatically makes you just as bad as the raid shippers.


    Are there people in the Olicity fandom who are rude and entitled? YES. But so does every other fandom. How about we stop spewing hate and start focusing on the things we love about the show. I swear, you're all just adding to the Olicity noise which will only help the Oliciters and not your interests. I guess that's what the call a double edged sword huh?

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  89. Christina Hardin11 August 2014 at 00:54

    Is that a real thing? Like a proven fact? That people have sent death threats to his wife? How do you even know? Who even has time to do that! That is tragic and completely crazy! I'm a big Olicity fan, but I'm sorry, if you are an adult and have time and the desire to send death threats to people over fictional TV characters, you're not an "obnoxious olicity shipper." You are just plain CRAZY!

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