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I want a strong friendship with Bellamy the next 10-13 episodes at least then we can move to the romance route but this show does well on its on. The shippers ruin all of the good shows with their dumb ass fuck hashtags and messages to the writers and totally take away from the plot and theme of a show.
Like seriously, you just literally crashed to earth for the first time, there are wild people, cannibals and mutant animals everywhere who have nothing else to do but kill you.. Would you honestly give a shit if somebody fancied you or even think about wanting a boyfriend?
I say Bellamy if it's done in a natural progressive way. Saying that I do like Lincoln and Octavia - they have great chemistry and arhat was handled great.
Neither. The show is amazing without focusing on the relationships and I don't see that changing anytime soon (fingers crossed!) I do love the chemistry between Bellamy & Clarke, and I love their 'leadership' relationship as it is.
To be fair, most fanfiction, gifs, tweets, fan art, forum posts, tumblr posts, spoilers, etc. are about ships. Considering how much attention shippers bring to a show, perhaps it's not the wisest idea to treat us like a bunch of idiots.
But hey, lets make a deal. When non-shippers contribute even HALF as much to the fandom as the shippers do, you can have the right to give us crap. Until that day happens, and from what I've seen it never will, then don't be a jerk.
For the love of God, when are you guys going to stop posting these polls? All it does is invite argument. The non-shippers will throw a hissy fit about shipping, the shippers will argue with other shippers, and those who don't care will argue with the non-shippers and the shippers for being so annoying.
I agree that the show is better when it doesn't focus too much on triangles, but, a bit like Lost, it's set in a very unlikely situation with events and storylines viewers can't really relate to, so it has to rely on human emotions to make it more realistic and keep the story grounded (does this make sense?). I think the show is doing a great job balancing the main story with love, triangles and friendships. They are there, and used to create tension and move the story along at times, but are not the main focus.
Oh, and I voted for Finn, I just love his hair and cute face. No other reason.
Doesn't matter what the genre or focus is romance is a theme just like any other relationships on the show. A good show has to have all type of relationships equally, friendships, couples, parents, brother/sistership, frenemies, enemies, neutrals. They don't have to be the focus but they have to exist for me to like a show. They are the kinds that mostly helps me bond with characters. So this show has to have at least one or two romance at some degree, should not be the main focus in my opinion. And I prefer Bellamy over Finn anytime, any day but I can't imagine them in a relationship yet. They are not there yet. I'm not sure how many seasons it took for Jake and Kate to be together but Lost in my opinion used relationships very wisely so why wouldn't this show use them as well?
As a Bellarke fan, Bellamy obviously. But I want it to be slow. They have a great chemistry. They respect and even admire each other. I like how the writers built this relationship. I want it to become a strong friendship between them. So I don't mind that they will have other romantic relationships with someone else, until in the final season they'll end up with each other. Every series which brings the main characters together too soon coming to an early end. Otherwise this is a series about survival, so I don't think is good for this show to show us a lot romantic scene.
The idea of "fandom" is the dumbest thing that's ever happened on the internet. The writers, directors, cast and crew create a show. We watch it. That's it. At the end of the day all that matters are viewing figures. Not how many times people managed to get a # to trend on twitter, or how many people you can get to spam one of the cast of crew's accounts with nonsense. I my opinion "fandom" is a bad thing. I am a huge fan of this show but I don't want any part of your "fandom". Identifying yourself as a "shipper" rather than a fan of a show is insulting to all involved in the hard work that goes on to make a show. Especially when they are clearly doing their level best to avoid falling into the trappings of being a show that is solely about "ships".
This is a great show. I voted for Bellamy, have you seen him?!!! Apocalypse or not, whoever says that love doesn't matter in the scheme of things has no heart. Why can't you want someone despite chaos? That's when you need it the most.
Heh, I'm sorry but you non-shippers are being total assholes. Last I checked, this site wasn't anti-shippers, on the contrary, it's a place for all kinds of tv fans. And I don't even see any crazy shippers around here, actually most of the shippers here aren't all about couples and they voice their opinions without being annoying, so if you don't like this kind of poll, SIT YOUR ASS DOWN and don't vote or comment, because they're not offensive, not to mention that this is a freaking CW, of course there will be romance. Every damn show on any network has it. Stay pressed.
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That being said. Bellarke FTW! I think Finn is a jerk and Clarke has better chemistry and dynamics with Bellamy.
I was bellarke fan at the beginning but latest episodes showed me that bellamy doesnt care much for clarke in romantic way,yeah he respects her but no romance involved...if thats the way of so called step by step romance steps r toooo slow(
I was bellarke fan at the beginning but latest episodes showed me that bellamy doesnt care much for clarke,yeah he respects her but no romance involved...if thats the way of so called step by step romance steps r toooo slow(
Even though I don't ship I like whatever the writers put together if it make since if doesn't I will speak out but if I have to choose Bellamy but I want it to slow build because I like the way they play off each other and how Clarke is changing him into a better man and leader
Please respect other fans who care about romance too,this poll is for them,if u came here to mock ppl thats not the best idea, we love action in show and pretty worried about how ark is gonna land on earth and how our heroes will beat those grounders and make alliance with another friendly tribes.yes,we care,but we do not concentrate just on action,we love romance too,so if u think we r wasting our time please pass by
Fandoms exist to let writers know their work is enjoyed. Let me tell you one fact about being a writer. We love feedback! We love it when someone gets emotional over the things we write. We love it readers, or in this case viewers, are touched in some way by the things we come up with.
The numbers only mean something to the networks, it's the FANDOM that the writers give a damn about. They're not machines, churning out one story after the next. They're real people who put a lot of themselves into a story and can only hope it will be well liked. While numbers do have their part, who wouldn't want a large number of people enjoying their work, the writers themselves get very little out of numbers.
You're being so unbelievably disrespectful to the writers of these TV shows. They get more feedback from fandoms than anywhere else. That stuff gives writers the motivation to continue to do what they do. They don't learn shit from numbers, they learn from people, the fandoms that you have so little regard for.
And fandoms are fans, they're just offshoots. People who love a show, whether they're just shippers or regular viewers, we are ALL fans, and you drawing a line in the sand like that is so much worse than whatever you think we're doing. And we HAVE to create fandoms. Not everyone watches a show for the same reasons. We create fandoms to enjoy aspects of the show with other people who enjoy those same aspects. It also helps keep the fandoms organized so it isn't just one big info dump.
And people like you seem to think you have the right to judge people like me, the shippers, for watching these shows for our own reasons. You have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, but you do not have the right to give us crap for enjoying shows in our own ways. There is not one single way that someone should enjoy a TV show just to make you happy.
I'm a shipper and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it. Shipping is one of the reasons I watch a show, but it's not the ENTIRE reason. Writers really enjoy hearing from fandoms, and whether you like it or not is irrelevant. It's just how it is. Shipping has existed LONG before it ever took up that name. But improvements in social media have allowed groups to form a lot easier. Tumblr is especially well-built for it.
So while I respect your right to an opinion, I don't agree with it even a little bit, and myself, and many other shippers, are getting tired of people like you insulting us for enjoying something that we're passionate about. You don't like shipping? That's fine. You want to tell people you don't like shipping? That's fine too.
But everyone watches TV shows for different things, and the writers of these TV shows enjoy the feedback they get from fandoms. Whether or not they do anything with that feedback is up to them, but as a writer myself I can say with absolute fact that people who respond passionately to their work, like shippers frequently do, are far and above more important to them than numbers.
That's nearly impossible, I mean in every single show relationships just happen, just like in real life. I doubt there is a single TV show were there is no shipping. Even the cable bunch, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Mad Men, and such has their share of couples. I think the key is making realistic tv couples, not the stereotype star crossed lovers
I want Clarke and Bellamy to be great friends, but I don't know if they really work out as a couple. They have great chemistry, but I mostly want to see them arguing and understanding each other, balancing each other, pretty much like what happened on 30 Rock with Liz and Jack, a completely platonic friendship. I'm not against the idea of pairing them together, but I think they work nicely as friends.
As for Finn... the guy needs to grow a little, he's too naïve for Clarke right now, and I think if he becomes more grounded and complex then he could be a good match, but until then he still needs to grow a little
wait, you were a bellarke at the beginning? I thought the whole thing started happening from episode 8 onward! Clarke and Bellamy seemed to hate each other in the beginning
I think that's for the best if they are going to be a couple down the road, people just don't fall in love withing days, it takes time to build. That being said, I actually hope they don't get together because they work so good as friends!
I think he refers to shippers haters in general. I do see his point, some people could be rude, I've seen a couple of "stupid shippers" comments from time to time. Luckily, even though there are people who don't like shipping in this thread, it doesn't seem like there is an insult here (though I haven't read every single comment yet)
Let them be, shippers also help the show on the ratings, so I'd rather have them watching it than getting them rid of them altogether. Also, it doesn't bother me, many shippers on The 100 realize how important the storytelling is, so what's wrong if they also want a certain couple to get together? I, for instance, don't particularly ship anyone in The 100, but I have nothing against people who do
That being said, I think it's the people who should calm themselves down. Shippers and Non-Shippers shouldn't rise any red flag, people have their right to believe that a show works better with or without it, the main issue here is that there is respect from both sides: non-shippers shouldn't say things like "shippers are stupid people" and shippers shouldn't take it on non-shippers as well. It's all about respect
Fandom is not all about shipping, you know? It's about discussing what you like or didn't like of an episode, it's a landscape for fans to encounter each other and share what their opinions on a show are and there is nothing worng with that. And many TV writers love their fandom; JH Wyman always took into account what Fringe fans had to say, and so does Jason Rothenberg in The 100. They write the show and they get to see how the fans react; that gives them a boost to keep doing what they do. When people who has read my book tells me that I did a great job it makes me happy and it makes me want to continue, so I assume that JH and Jason go through the same thing when they see the possitive feedback, and that's hardly a dumb or bad thing, it's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with the creative minds connecting with their audience.
By the way, I think SpoilerTV is a place for fandom as fans join here to discuss their favorite shows, so if you actively talk about your favorite shows here with other people, you are already part of the fandom
I can tell you are a writer. So much passion. More power to you! It's a heck of a lot better to have "shippers" and the focus it brings them as long as it prevents people from being mean and bullies. There are so many worse things people can be in the world. R E S P E C T is what is important :)
Why would you say non_shippers contribute less to recognition to a show than shippers? As a fan of the whole show I can voice my opinion without shoving a pairing down the writers throat just fine. I like Bellamy and Finn both just fine. The 100 is so much more, that who Clarke ends up with is the least important thing. IMO the non-shipper is the true fan because he/she watches not matter what happens... This poll is really a bad idea, not because relationships are not important, but because it is dividing the fans. And I want the writers to get feedback on the whole story and not be distracted by hate or love comments from fans regarding their ship.
I voted alone if only because Finn has some growing up to do and Bellamy and Clarke may have great chemistry, but the show is at it's best when they are at odds. If they start going hand in hand, agreeing with each others every decisión, then it will turn boring. So I think she should stay alone for the time being. I'll really never understand why people think every female character to be in a relationship 5 min into the show. I really wish shippers would stick to BatB and Reign and leave show like this one and Arrow alone...
I agree that producers r developing their couple,that dessert is not given to you soon,we need to wait...WAIT..considering the fact bellamy was ok while clarke was missing and didnt give her even a hug when she came back we need to wait for quite a LONG time(
There is a difference between "fans of a show" and "fandoms". They are not the same thing. I show my appreciation and respect for the work these people do by watching the show and then discussing what is actually happening on it. Not what I wish was happening on it, or who I wish was hooking up with who. If I was a writer I'd be delighted to know that what I was doing was making people think and talk to each other. I would be really pi**ed off however if the majority of people were watching what I'd written and focusing on things that weren't even happening or interpreting the things I wrote to suit themselves.
You look through Tumblr and it's all Bellarke, or the majority of it is. And it's not even the Bellamy/Clarke relationship that exists on the show. There is nothing romantic happening between them, not even an inkling of it so the face that this poll even exists and people are getting so annoyed about it just shows how useful "fandoms" are.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with shipping. It's a part of all TV shows, it happens naturally, we all do it. What I do have a problem with is people shipping things that aren't there. People bombarding every discussion thread with talk of ships. People getting couple names to trend in twitter when there's so much more happening in an episode. People endlessly harassing the cast and crew on twitter about their favourite couples when they've created a show that delves so deeply into what it means to be human. Not a show about teens making gooey eyes at each other.
The fact that this poll exists at all angers me because it's pointless. We've had 12 episodes of a show where so much has happened and the most animated people are getting is about who Clarke should end up with. Not will Clarke survive the finale, not will Clarke ever be able to forgive her mother for what she did, not will Clarke lose much more of herself in her efforts to survive and keep everyone else alive too. No, it's who should she "end up with". Great. Well done, "fandom".
If you read my reply above I've explained as far as I'm concerned there's a big difference between fans and fandom. Rothenberg himself even said on his twitter a while back that he'd prefer the fans of the show didn't label themselves anything other than fans and just enjoyed the show for what it was. I don't know how many tweets he's made, or cast members have made, trying very nicely to stop people obsessing over couples. I know if a pair of characters are well written and well developed and their relationship is well developed you'll find yourself caring about them but the idea of "shipping" as a thing you actively do based on one or two scenes that only show two actors have good chemistry just baffles me.
If you've been involved with shows like TVD and TO for as long as I have you should know as well as I do how shippers can damage shows beyond repair by pushing the writers towards a certain ship trough twitter and other social media platforms
I'm no shipper, I have nothing against shippers but I don't engage in that stuff. However, I do have issues with hardcore shippers. I've mentioned before that I was sent death threats and labeled as homophobic from Destiel shippers because I dared to ask them to clarify why they believed it was canon after the latest episode. To me, if all you take from an episode is whether or not it provides any information which confirms/adds to a ship that exists in your head then that's just disappointing. Granted not all shippers are like this, but unfortunately there's a very large amount that are. Then they ram it down our throats constantly and try and force it on us/the writers in order to make it happen.
That be'd unrealistic. 100 teenagers on Earth? Yeah there are going to be hookups and relationships. Also, you should probably not watch the CW if you don't want to see romance.
Bellamy for sure. Not rushed though, like all of the other romantic relationships that happened so far. I would like to see a nice long slow burn between them.
Finn broke her heart. He's soo in love with her yet he couldn't break up with his girlfriend or stop having sex with her. If Raven hadn't broken up with him, he'd still be with her right now. He was trying to have both girls. I think he's a nice kid most of the time, but I don't think he should be with Clarke.
As someone else said, they've been there less than a month. They have an army of natives killing them, they are walking on ground for the first time, risk of radiation and storms, an ark that's dying, mystery mountain people, lack of food, mutant animals, killer weather and so much more happening to them on no daily basis. The last thing on their minds is going to be who wants to take them out on a date.
Um Supernatural is on the CW and does that have any romance, not that I have seen. Maybe the occasional once or twice a season dean hook up but 98% of that show is romance free.
Of course does every single show have relationships, but The 100 is less about that than others and a poll like this is just harmful to the fans because it is dividing them. Shipwars bring out the worth in people, they use the anonymity to say things they would not dream on saying in public. I really like the show but I don't want it about who Clarke will end up with nor would I like to read about speculations every single day. The show is called The 100 for a reason, please let be more about than 3 people!
How about Linctavia, Raven/Finn/Clarke, Bell's threesome/occasional hook up/Raven? Isn't that part of the "romance" department? I see your point. However, it's seems as if it applies to one couple it should apply to all.
ITA! no one expects there to be no romance whatsoever on the show, but let's keep it in the backburner, the least of their problems is who will warm their sleeping bag at night. First they need to stablish themselves on the ground in a safe place, with a steady water and food supply, once that's done they can worry about who gets together with who.
No offence but most of you ARE a bunch of idiots. Spending your time talking about couples and characters you want to get together rather than the plot, the arc, the character development, the theme of a show, the message, the real life parallels, the lessons it could be teaching you is dumb. Sure I like a good romance but seriously just go watch porn if that's all your after.
Also, I personally don't think you contribute jack shit to the show (fandom is so fucking stupid).. Wow you wrote a bit of fan fiction and created a gif for tumblr? *slow clap* well done! amazing, really - that must have used up quite a lot of your brains cells to do. P.S, you were a jerk first.
I don't see how we're shoving pairings down the throats of the people who write the pairings. Also, I've seen no evidence to support that shippers leave shows any faster than non-shippers do when they seem something they don't like. I've seen both sides whine constantly about a ship or plot point they don't like, then threaten to leave, but rarely do.
Bellamy! The chemistry between Bob and Eliza is AMAZING. That type of chemistry shouldn't be wasted! I'm rooting for Bellamy and Clarke! Bellarke all the way!!!! :)
Did I comment on the show itself? I don't remember that. He referred to shippers in general and I did the same. Also, I'm not quite as creative as others. I write but I don't do the whole gifs and art thing.
But I've had more than a few tell me that what I've written has attracted them to the show. I don't know about you, but adding more PEOPLE to the viewership by writing about the show seems like a pretty good idea way to contribute.
Yes but they're not fighting to stay alive every second. There's downtime. Also, there hasn't been anyone worrying about taking them out on a date on this show. So not sure why you're worried about that.
I just think people should stop watching it if they can't deal with romances. They already have a triangle and Licnoln/Octavia. There's always going to be romance on this show, whether Bellarke happens or not.
Also, to add, I don't think the comments matter that much. The VOTES speak for themselves. And looks like a LOT of fans prefer Bellamy and Clarke together! So YAY for Bellarke!
I disagree. There's no "true" fan. I ship couples on the show, but first and foremost I love the show as a whole. A love the plot. Something anti-shippers keep doing wrong is assuming anyone who roots for a couple doesn't really like the show and all they care about is their ships. SO wrong.
You are commenting (a lot) on a post made about the show The 100, how did you forget that you did that?
Wow, you write fan fiction? All by yourself? Wow! Next you will be telling me you post gifs onto tumblr! Sarcasm aside, I don't see your point since I could skip the BS and writing fan fiction, and just talk to my friends and tell them about what an amazing show the 100 is and how cool the plot is etc rather than who I hope will bone in the next episode. Good god.
Damn. The anti-shippers can be such whiners and snobs.
Let me tell you something. I ship two couples on this show. You know what else? I love this show. I pretty much love everything about it so far. I love the plot, I love the characters.. Not just the "ships". So to those people attacking shippers because they think that's all we care about...just stop. You don't know what you're talking about. Here's a newsflash for you - you can ship AND also love the show in it's entirety. It's not one or the other.
I saw the opposite? Bellamy;s always protecting Clarke and he's saved her life more than once. Even the head writer said Bellamy was freaking out in episode 12 because he was feeling the loss of Clarke.
For those hating on shippers because they don't want romance on the show...um the writers have already put romance on the show, not us. You know...Lincoln/Octavia, Finn/Clarke, Raven/Finn, etcc.. So don't hate on shippers when we're not the ones writing these romances into the show.
Wow that escalated quickly. You're making an interesting assumption that I question. That shippers ONLY talk about shipping. Which, I'm sorry to break the illusion that you have in your head to support your argument, couldn't be more wrong. Our ships are quite often tied into the plot in some way, and even if they weren't we would still talk about them.
You're operating under the belief that shippers don't care about the plot. We do. And if you knew what the hell you were talking about you would also know that even in our own shipping posts we often talk about the plot of the show. And since I apparently didn't explain it well enough before for you, the person I responded to made a GENERAL response to shippers, not shippers that only watch this show, but ALL shippers for every show. I did the same.
Being a shipper does not mean we're not interested in anything else. I don't see how you, and so many others, came to that conclusion. Sure, we go a bit (a lot) crazy over our ships, but we love the plot as well.
wow....the non-shippers for the 100 are a little bit rude. but anyway I love bellarke to death and I really want it to be a slow romance because those are the best!!!!
The 100 does have several couples though. It's not the main focus, but it's still there. Whether Clarke is with Bellamy or Finn, it will never be the main focus. It will get the same focus romance is getting in season 1.
I don't see how this poll will change anything? It's just for fun.
That's because there are only male main characters. Also, the female fanbase is rabid and sends hate to writers anytime the guys have a had a girlfriend in the past.
That's an interresting take on it. Though I don't really see it that way, it's always surprising, interesrting and fun to understand how other people see it
That's why I think respect should go both ways, shippers should respect those who don't ship and they should be able to justify their shipping too, even if their answer is based on chemistry only.
I agree with you that hardcore shipping can be horrifying, but that's only because of the people who feel that strongly that they can even send death threats (I never thought it was possible for someone to go that far!). I agree with you completely on that front (the person who sent you a death threat is outright crazy).
On the ratings front, I think shows need to be as broad as possible to gather ratings; if you take out of the equation all the people who ship and leave in only those who doesn't the ratings are going to be lower, even if it is one tenth less, but you are taking away those viewers. The point of The 100 is not the romance but the survival, yet relationship are there and they are part of every show. I don't think it's essential for a show survival to make all kind of romantic entanglements, I think the key is developing real human relationships. The non-shipper seems to me, at times, like they want to strip every show from every romantic relationship possible and that's nuts. A show needs realistic relationships, not star crossed lovers or no relationships whatsoever
Well I never liked TVD and I had 0 interest on TO, so I don't know what that fandom is like. It's a shame, hardcore shippers should respect everyone who feels differently about a show and their couples, being rude and mean can only damage the show they like. Respect has to go both ways. It's sad how things are turning out, these are the kind of stuff that divides fandom :/
I didn't see that tweet, so I can't really talk about it, I can only say that the guy takes his time to engage with the fans. I see fandom as a gathering of fans talking about the show they love, shippers and non-shippers. The fandom of The 100 doesn't only care about who sleeps with who, I certainly don't and I consider myself part of the fandom. What I care about the show is the quality of the script and the strength of the acting, and on those fronts the show is outstanding for The CW. The fandom goes beyond shipping and shouldn't be dismissed for shipping alone
it's not even important respect-wise. It's scary to think that a fictional couple could push you over the edge like this. Going on rampages and sending death threats isn't just disrespectful...it's downright dangerous.
I expect to see coverage over a youth homicide stating: "Girl killed young co-student due to '[Couple] being better than [insert opposing couple]' every day I dare to watch the news
The Vampire Diaries ratings have absolutely crashed this season. Many of the fans that i've spoken to about it seem to be blaming it on the writers pandering to shippers every other week.
I think you are confusing fandom with shippers, that's 2 different things altogether. I'm part of the fandom of The 100, but I don't ship ANYONE! Not Bellaker, not Lincon/Octavia, not Finn/Clarke, no one. I just care about the plot and the great storytelling. And yet I'm part of the fandom. The shippers are PART OF the fandom, not the fandom itself. And since when does shippers only care about the couples? I ship Emma/Hook in OUAT, but my main concern is how entertaining the show is in a weekly basis, if Emma and Hook don't end up together that's fine by me, even if I'd prefer otherwise. You are talking about HARDCORE SHIPPERS, those who only care about the couples. I think the distinction is necessary, many shippers do care about the quality of the storyline over their own couples. I agree, I'd be pissed if people read my books only to see one pairing getting together, but I know that's not everyone, it's not fair to say that every shipper is a hardcore shipper, that's not true. The key is respect: shippers and non shippers should respect each others, and shippers have their right to be angry if something didn't go their way, but they shouldn't bash the writers of the show just because it, they should also recognize what the show does right
people are allowed to trend a a ship name and be passionate about a ship, as long as there not harassing others or being mean and nasty. if its natural then way are you upset by fans being passionate about it. if someone does tweet the ship name it doesn't necessarily mean that they neglected whats happening on the show. plus half of the time the ship trends don't even happen during the time of the show or the day of. I can see where your coming from but to say its okay to ship but then tell someone how they should be fan doesn't make you a better fan. plus people being invested in a character shows a writer that they have accomplished in making them real. so yeah if I was a writer and I got feed back from fans saying we love what your doing with this show, or we love these two characters they are fantastic we really want them to together then I would be happy because, I did what writing is suppose to do make people feel and think.
This fan pandering to shippers thing is utter nonsense. It's a miracle if any ship survives more than 3-6 episodes these days. Writers are sinking ships left and right.
As for the ratings on TVD, non-shippers like to use shippers as scapegoats for shows problems. People just weren't all that interested in the plot this season. Elena reached a new level of annoying this season, most people are just tired of the travelers storyline, people got sick of Stefan being the show's favorite punching bag etc. That stuff has nothing to do with shippers.
A lot of the time, it's the actual plot that's hurting the show. This season overall just wasn't that interesting to watch. Now don't get me wrong, shippers did contribute to it, we just weren't the main problem. They actively tried to piss off most of the fans this season, and it worked.
I can't believe how much discussion this poll brought up, but maybe it's for the best. I want to say some things that may help everyone understand each other better. -There's nothing wrong with shipping, people are entitled to their own preferences in the relationships that are generated in a show. The problem is hardcore shipping, when everything that counts is a couple and they ignore every other aspect of the show and even go as far as insulting writers and other fans. -There's nothing wrong with non-shipping. People can roll their eyes at some couples or "shippable" moments if they want, but they have no right to make fun of people who, in fact, ship. -Fandom and ship are two different things: Shipping is a part of the fandom, not the fandom itself; to assume that everyone in the fandom is a shipper is disrespectful, because there is more to the fandom than that. I, for one, am part of The 100 fandom and I don't ship anyone in the show. The fandom is a gathering of fans that discuss their favorite aspects of their show and they are passionate about it. To call it "the dumbest thing on the internet" is rude, mean and outright bad taste. Please let everyone say what they think without insulting them: you want to see Clarke with Bellamy or Finn? Fine. You want her to be alone? Fine. But don't insult someone who wants something different
I agree, I think it's the plotting the thing that hurt shows most. While I liked the plot on the second season of Revenge a lot of people didn't and the ratings went right down the toilet, it had nothing to do with shipping. There are countless of other examples there; as long as the plot and storytelling is engaging there is no reason to leave a show. To stop watching because of shipping? That's nonsense, if so OUAT would have been delivering low 1s this season with the whole Neal/Emma/Hook love triangle
That's right, it's downright crazy! It's obvious that in those cases something serious is going on and those people need help, but aside from that I think that there is an imperative need for people to understand and respect each other in order to make discussions pleasant instead of outright fights
I'm tired of tv shows that make everything about ships but anti-shippers are as bad as crazy shippers. Especially because 99% of thetv shows (even cable) have some romance. The problem is when the show becomes all about romance. Fandom always put more attention on romance than anything else. Every single discussion this season about The Walking Dead was mostly about Daryl/Carol vs Daryl/Beth and TWD isn't about romance. Some fans will always care about shipping more than anything else. This isn't only on The CW. All I hear about Agents of Shield is about shipping, the same goes for other cable shows like Orphan Black.
Personally I want Bellarke but I don't need it now. I just want more build up and character development. But if we are going to have romance next season anything but Finn/Clarke or Bellamy/Raven is fine by me.
Also there's nothing more stupid and misogynist than thinking a female character is only a "good" character when she is single. Romantic relationships are a normal part of everyone's life.
The point I'm trying to make is people labeling themselves and then acting like a collective mind. It's like people calling themselves "Little Monsters" or "Beliebers" or whatever other pop star cults there are these days. Why the need to label and flock together?
I like well written, thought provoking and entertaining television. I like to be able to come online and discuss well written, thought provoking television with like minded people. I don't feel the need to identify myself as part of any "fandom".
There are so many negative connotations connected with words like "fandom" and "shippers" that I can't see why anyone would actively label themselves that way. Yes, you can enjoy a TV show whatever the hell way you like. I'm not saying you can't. I am just saying I wish people could have some sense of themselves as an individual in their online presence rather than always having to be part of some larger labeled group.
As for respect, it's earned. Post something worthy of my respect and I'll give it. I'll try to avoid these discussions anymore because they just go around in circles and it's pointless. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. It's hard to avoid this conversation though because it will keep coming up as long as people keep interpreting TV shows to suit themselves and putting way too much focus on couples hooking up.
First and foremost I disagree whith the notion that respect is earned, you should never ever disrespect someone or insult them. Even if they insult you, responding as such only makes you go as low as the one who insulted you. You may think they are doing something wrong or even that they are outright imbeciles, but there is no need to call them that.
Second of all, being part of this "hive mind" and enjoying the show as an individual is not mutually exclusive, you can do both, I do! Many times I disagree with notions of the fandom in general, but fandom is great thing. The passion of the Cortexifans (Fringa fans) was involved in getting the show renewed for a final fifth season, and the passion of the Beasties surely helped in there too (I'm don't watch BATB, but I respect the passion those fans have for the show, even if I don't like it).
The need to flock together is to make pressence, this is essential for low rated shows. Would Community have a chance of being resurrected by Hulu if the Humans Beings didn't flock and say they want the show to be saved? Would it have made it to 5 seasons to begin with? We all have our personal taste, our differences in our favorite episodes, but one thing is the same: we love our show. How is it bad that we name ourselves with a label that represents our passion for the show we love? What harm does it bring to viewers or writers? Is it so hard to just ignore it if it bothers you so much? Why must you call it stupid? It's not right, you shouldn't. I see absolutely nothing wrong with people flocking in fandom, I met wonderful people on my Cortexifans years, and we didn't insult anyone, we were always respectful, we just defended out show, what's stupid or wrong about that? We all were able to enjoy the show as individual and talk about it as ourselves, but we also recognized that we were part of a bigger group who wanted the show to have the ending it deserved.
There is nothing wrong with it. If you want to enjoy shows as an individual and not be labed as part of a fandom, then go ahead! No one is going to force you to join the fandom! But when you outright say it's stupid/dumb or whatever then we have a problem. You are telling that millions of people who just want to share their passion for a show and show their pressence online are stupid. I won't deny that among the fandom there are going to be crazy people, but there's crazy people everywhere! There's crazy people who don't take part on fandoms too, so why take it on fandom which is essentialy harmless? We agree and disagree on many things, but what gathers is one thing: the passion for our shows.
I just hope they don't do the teeny drama thing were after a while everyone has slept with everyone. Would be nice for someone to have a steady relationship..ish with someone for the long run .That has always kept me from watching kiddy dramas or soap operas. Never really watched a CW show before.
some non-shippers on here really need to stop trying to police people in this fandom, like clam down people are allowed to like a ship on a show they love. as long as no ones hurting any one let people be, its not your job to tell people how to be a fan, I mean come on its your personal opinion like its other fans personal opinion that bellarke is super tight and should totally get together. like yours is that the show isn't about romance. respect people man don't be a jerk and insult people that never ends well. and you know what I don't understand this whole thing where people say the writers hate people just focusing on a ship. because one: lots of shippers think the plot is banging, and two: there's nothing wrong with people wanting two characters together it just means the writers achieved what they wanted, making characters repeatable. making us care for them. because isn't that what story tellings is about feeling and thinking. by the way bellarke is super tight and should they should totally get together.
If ppl pay attention to romance that doesnt make them automatically less cared about other problems,plot and action. Its just an additional interest,u can hate it or not its a fact
Definitely Bellamy, but I want it to be an Olicity-like slow burn! Finn is kind of an idiot, I don't hate him, but Clarke can do better. Plus her chemistry and dynamic with Bellamy are way stronger. It's a no brainer here, in my opinion.
It's sad to see that we all love this show but the hate between the categories you put yourself into is crazy. There's shippers. There's non-shippers. End of the story. No need to go all crazy with torches and knives.
I like Bellamy, my sister like Finn, and god, we are not jumping each-other throat. Mostly, we just both love the show. There is enough hate every day on the street, at work, school,.. And now, the one thing that allow us to just forget about the day and relax, BAM, here we are again. Jesus, I know demanding rainbows and puppies is a fantasy, but I'd really like a freakin unicorn right now.
Thank you. I don't mind non shippers. For example I have 0 interest in the romantic relationships in Arrow but I don't look down on Olicity shippers. People have the right to like whatever they want and enjoy whatever aspect of the show they like the most.
1,318 votes for Bellamy! That's amazing! I want Bellarke romance in season 2. I think waiting for seasons 3 and up would frustrate the fans too much. You got to get a pairing together when they are getting the buzz and attention and when they are HOT! :)
Build up has been amazing for them in season 1. I think season 2 would be the perfect time to get Bellarke together.
I'm a huge fan of this show. It's one of my absolute favorites this season. I love everything about it. And I'm rooting for a ship that I'm HOPING will happen eventually. But I hate fanservice. And I trust that Jason & the other writers won't. He has said/implied multiple times that he is going to write what we need and not what we want. This doesn't change my love for "Bellarke" or stop shipping them. The way I feel about it is kind of like an athletic team you root for. Which games are the most exciting? The ones where you have no idea if your team will win or not. You're hoping, but you don't know. The really reason I think shipping is so popular is because it's gives viewers a constant to root for. Yes, this is a show about survival. We should be rooting for them to stay alive and win the battle. And we are. But the truth of it is, we all know to some degree, which characters are going to survive. We know, despite exceptions, that the main protagonist is going to live. It's all about something tangible to root for every week. In my opinion, the plot should steer the ship rather that the ship steering the plot. Plot should always come first. I completely get what you're saying. The cast and crew have all made tweets where you can feel their frustration with the shippers. I think it's more about the pushiness of some of the shippers rather than the ship itself. They make a comment about a different couple while live-tweeting and are attacked by shippers. Shippers trend "BellarkeinSeason2" and get mad and attack the cast & crew for not favoriting or re-tweeting it. It's impressive, yes. But it's very passive aggressive. You're right, it's completely wrong. Please believe that we are not all like that. You say we are a "collective mind" and have no individual presence. That's wrong. If I mention I'm rooting for a particular couple, the fandom labels me a "shipper" and I automatically get the "you're not a true fan" accusation. We all may root for the same couple but don't agree on everything. A lot of shippers are embarrassed by the actions of the others. Myself included. I love the creative passion this fandom has, shippers included, I just wish shippers would ship in peace and stop trying to take control of the show with their "influence". So while I don't consider myself "stupid" for shipping actors with good chemistry or being a part of this fandom. I get where your frustration comes from as well. I feel it too. However, like you said, this argument will go in circles.
I mostly agree with you. It depends on how the story goes in season 2 you know. You can´t throw them together, just bc fans want them to, it has to make some kind of sense. I´m huge Bellarke fan, don´t get me wrong, but I don´t want it to be rushed.
What I was trying to say, and perhaps could have worded it better, is that when you think of "shippers" or "fandom" it tends to be in a negative way. The ones who are loudest and make themselves seen/heard are rarely the best example of the fans of whatever show it is. Which is the reason I wonder why anyone who is genuinely a fan of the all aspects of a show would want to be associated with either label.
I don't describe myself as a "shipper" but that does not mean I don't like certain couples and have an interest in where their story goes. However I am not demanding they hook up after 3 or 4 episodes, or ignoring whatever it is that is actually happening with them onscreen. Various websites make it easier for fans of shows to share their appreciation but they also make it very easy for people to get at the cast and crew and the impression that a lot of these fans give off is not one I myself would want to be associated with, hence why I don't understand the need of so many to label themselves "fandom" or "shippers".
I apologise if my previous posts offended anyone, and I shouldn't have used words like "stupid" but I stand by the overall point I was making.
The writers have been very careful and amazing with Bellarke in season 1. I trust them to keep building the emotional bond between Bellarke in season 2 as well. I just think season 2 would be a realistic and perfect time to get some romance with them. I always view shows that drag pairings for years and years to be really unrealistic. In real life, it usually wouldn't take years for 2 attractive people to get together.
Please no Bellamy and Clarke ever, they are best in a non romantic way!
IMO it would change the show in a way I don't it to be. And Bellamy and Raven are a better fit. I hope that they give Finn a better writing for Season 2, his own storyline not defined by women...
Yes but if that's ALL they pay attention too in a series that has so many other facets involved in it (like the 100 has), then that's a little disappointing.
How can you know they're best as non romantic when we haven't seen them romantic. ;)
I think Finn/Clarke and Raven/Bellamy are too alike and it's predictable putting them together. I think couples that with opposites are far more interesting.
ahahahah the results of the poll says it all. Bellamy is the winner with no fight really. I love how some people LOVEEEEE to talk shit about romance yet The 100 can't be a real good and realistic show without it. I mean in real-life romance happens under all circumstances. A little of everything is waht makes a good show and I'll take Bellamy/Clarke over any pairings because of their AMAZING chemistry. They have gold in their hands with Bob and Eliza, it would be STUPID not to use it. Obviously Finn/Clarke or whatever it was between Raven/Bellamy ain't working. And don't tell me BS about fan service because this is US viewers that make the ratings and at some point you gotta give some to the viewers. Also some people need to realize that LOTS of people started watching the show for the "relationship" between Bellamy and Clarke. Whether it is because of a video on youtube, an art made on tumblr or people talking about it on forums. Anti-shippers (more like tyrans) need to deal with it. Not everyone is watching for the plot and they shouldn't be critize for it. After all they do promote the show with their shipper stuff. Thanks to them. We all watch the show for different reasons and I for one can say that if it wasn't for Clarke and Bellamy...I probably would have turn off my tv and never watched the show again. BELLARKE, BELLARKE, BELLARKE, BELLARKE!!! One last thing, don't think because we ship Bellamy and Clarke that it means we actually want them together right away. We want the slow build-up, the hints....ask yourself a question why is there more development between Clarke and Bellamy than there ever was between the main pairing of the show (Finn/Clarke)? Then people ask why Bellarke is so loved XD
Because it is not a show about couples but about survival, and Bellamy is great, but I don't want him with Clarke either. Over the last episodes Bellamy changed into softer more reflective and Clarke went darker, they are getting more alike, so they are as predictable as the other pairings. At the end everybody has been with everybody, that is predictable for a CW show... Fan base or not, Olicity also has not happened because it would change the character of the show into something else.
I think some "shippers" are confused as to some of the non-shipper issues. (Some, not all) Mine for example are as listed: 1) Some make every single look, touch, sigh etc...romantic. Sometimes it just is not. Sometimes one wishes the other would just shut up. 2) Some become stalkers. Some stalk twitter and as soon as one of their favs post something totally non-show related, they start to harass them with "I love you! Look at the attention Bellarke is getting! They're amazing!! OMG." Sometimes the writers and actors just want to chat and have fun with the fans about the show without being bombarded with only "Bellarke, Bellarke, Bellarke!!" Think of how many times you tweet to them in an hour. Multiply that by any number of given fans. They probably feel harassed and log off. 3) You feel excited about your ship, you tweet the writers, one at a time, "we love Bellarke!!" Do you not realize they're working in offices in close vicinity of each other? "Hey guys we got another one! Oh, you too?" 4) When things aren't going your way you tweet to the writers, whiny and sad tweets. As if they write just to displease you. No they don't. They're telling a story. When the romance comes, it comes. Not until they are ready. No amount of sad and disappointed tweets is going to change a writers script or vision of the story. 5) The actors have a right to their opinion. They have the right to come to twitter and chat about anything they want to and ignore what they don't want to talk about. For the past few weeks Dev has caught hell from Bellarke shippers for favoriting ONE tweet about annoying shippers. That's not right. You know why? Because some were being annoying. He made comments about the story and was immediately jumped on with "hey Dev, love you! Who do you ship? Bellarke or Flarke?" Imagine you just put in a long work day and were excited about what you had done. You come on twitter feeling good. Feeling happy. You want to share with the fans and that is the response you get. Can you blame any of them? I don't. I also know that all shippers do not do this. It's more than a few but they can be very worrisome. It's almost sad that they think it's ok to just spam the writers and actors with any and all mentions of "Bellarke" and then become insulted when their efforts are ignored. Sometimes it is quality over quantity. They care more about what you say than how many times you say it. I really don't want to insult anyone, I just wish you could see from all sides. If we as fellow fans see this much, how much do the actors and writers see? What do they have to scroll through just to get to a thoughtful review? I love Bellamy and Clarke. I love them enough to want them to be "the" couple for The 100. The Queen and her Knight. I love passionate shippers but I don't care for the shippers who say "oh they expect it, they love us, we are the fandom etc..." Entitlement is not a good behavior. Sorry for the long post. I just had enough when I saw a favorite actor being insulted. Again.
Where do you get that people started to watch the show because of Bellamy and Clarke? You might have switch off the tv otherwise, but others might not. I started watching because of the cast of the Arc but ofcourse I like Bellamy. Is there an actual statistic for it, which divides Bellarke viewers from the rest of us and shows that we are outnumbered? I don't think so. IMO the show runners and don't owe us anything just good entertainment, and so far it has been a hell of a ride Bellarke or not.
Great comment! Very well thought out and articulated. Insightful and informative without being derogatory. I just wish both shippers and non shippers would realize that we are all on the same side and only have the shows best interest at heart. We all just want The 100 to succeed.
I agree those are problems but the main problem is that most non shippers seem to have (with this show and many others) is that they don't want romance of any kind and it's incredible misogynist that some people trash female characters the moment they get a love interest. Like it makes them look "weak" or some other stupid reason.
As a Bellarke fan I can't stand those attitudes either but every fandom has crazy people. At least this fandom isn't as crazy as the VD fandom or the OUAT fandom (most entitled crazy shippers I have ever seen).
I think writers should listen to the fans but then decide what to do with the storyline or what it would be better for the plot. There's a difference between taking fans opinion into consideration and letting the fans rule the show. I don't want this to be like TVD where every single ridiculous ship happened or like Revolution that the writers were determined to make the most hated ship happen if the show got renewed.
I agree! I think TVD shipper issues hurt the CW. I'm all for shipping, I love the passion. When I see a tweet to an actor and/or writer that they (the shipper) are being disrespected because they either don't answer one of the hundred tweets they sent that day or because they simply disagree, I have a problem with that. I saw one shipper literally beg every writer and actor for the show to acknowledge all of the "hard work" they put into shipping this couple. Not once but several times over several days. That's why Bellarke us getting disrespected. As for those who don't romance at all, 90% of every show ever aired had elements of romance. I believe they're just being contrary.
All this comments show that, we Finn/clarke fans better stay in hiding like every other minority! Unfortunately we are not protected by any Anti-discrimination Act. But we are here to stay!
Awesome finale, it was well balanced between all the characters! So glad Finn and Clarke are far from over, I hope that continues in Season 2! She might have said, she was heartbroken, but she clearly has feelings for him. The writers had a plan for Finn and Clarke this season, and it was nicely developed till the end. Not boring but at a slow pace, the introduction of Raven and the inevitable breakup just a bit too long. They did it exactly the way Bellarke fans are hoping for they might do with Bellamy.
Sassy Raven hopefully survives, she will be great with Bellamy if slowly developed, but she is also fine on her own, because she found her place in the group without Finn. Cannot wait for Finn and Bellamy to save Clarke!
Finn and Clarke are just a slow build up, not boring at all. Raven and Bellamy would never be boring, too. It is not in their characters description. Not everything is boring, just because Bellarke fans don't like it. For some reason the writers choose Finn and Clarke to have feelings for each other and its been rocky but is there on screen no matter how much Bellarke fans complain about it. Setting up now Bellamy with Clarke would just create another love triangle.
I disagree with you, normally I'm team the good guys and I really tried to like Finn and Clarke together but I found myself looking at some other stuff, doing some other stuff in the earlier episodes 1-5. I was about to quit the show. I was feeling like "meehh" I'm not against this kind of pairings. I watch TVD as well, I liked Stefan Elena in the past I didn't become a shipper and recently I like Stefan Caroline too. Finn and Clarke really don't have chemistry. I tried so hard to see that chemistry but I couldn't. Finn character can't give any feelings. The actor just doesn't get me and his character is not helping as well. Now that I watched 1x12 and 1x13 and saw their scenes it started to give me an awkward feeling and I'm afraid if writers goes with this pairing or this Raven-Clarke-Finn triangle I gonna quit because I don't like to see awkward things on my screen. You may ask what about TVD then, I already quit that show twice but for now I'm just watching it because of Stefan and Caroline and I'm not interested in the pilot at all so I can quit it easily again if they damage Stefan Caroline relationship.
You get me wrong, I didn't say or imply Finn's character is not valuable. I recently wrote Finn's character is important for the show under "thoughts of 1.13" thread. And my post is not threatening, it may seem like it but I'm not threatening anyone. I'm just being honest. I'm a simple viewer. I check out some shows every year a few episodes and decide to watch them or not. When Finn-Clarke dynamic was playing out in the beginning it was really boring and lacking chemistry and no offense to actor but he couldn't sell anything to me and most of the times he still can't. So why would I watch something I don't like? Why would I waste my one hour for something I don't like? This icing and the cake argument is not valid for me. Would the cake be same without the icing? Would the cake be same with some different icing? If icing is bad would you still love the cake? The cake is something that you eat as a whole. If icing is bad it means the cake is bad too for me and if you call romance is icing on this show and if icing is Finn and Clarke then your icing is bad I don't eat a cake with bad icing on it.
Also when you say "what is more boring than the pairing of the male and female lead characters" you realize that most and almost in every show male and female leads get together right? Because you seem like completely ignoring it. It's same even in the movies. Also when you say it you are completely ignoring Clarke and Finn are main leads too. I get you like and ship flarke but the only thing I can agree to disagree with you is "chemistry" because maybe it's the most subjective thing about pairings.
And when I say I don't like icing it doesn't mean I want Bellamy and Clarke to get together right away or something. I can definitely like the icing as it is if Clarke and Finn doesn't get together or doesn't give me that awkward feeling in every episode. They are completely ruining the mood for me. Means bad icing=bad cake.
I am with you all the way. Finn are is favorite character, and I like Finn and Clarke together, so to me J.R. is doing the romance in the show just fine. Finn's character has been overlooked quite a bit, but the last episodes he has been great and most reviews show that. I hope they continue the relationship they build between Finn and Clarke. If episodes 12 and 13 had aired together, then everybody would have seen her no, wasn't really one. But because of the week in between in gave hope to all the Bellarke fans. Finn and Clarke have a great chemistry to use the words of other fans! To me in terms of character they are a realistic fit. I can relate to Finn, who does express his feelings late and but starts acting under pressure. Better late than never. Who breaks up with his longterm first love within 22 days after meeting a new girl?
Don't get me wrong, I like Bellamy, too. Bob M. said Bellamy is not high on romance, and I think he should not be with Clarke if that should change in one of the next seasons. But if so, I like him with Raven, too.
A poll is just a poll, it doesn't reflect the opinion of all the viewers just the ones who have a need to communicate.
I have been a TVD fan (now more Arrow) for years but never engaged in anything, poll, tweeting or writing. Still I am going to watch next October, no matter who Elena is with... or if Stefan and Caroline hook up.
I don't want to ruin anything for you, so I am really short: I like Finn and Clarke together and both actors sold that to me over the whole Season 1 perfectly. Plus, if I like to see Bellamy romantically involved with someone in season 2, it is Raven or maybe Anya. That is just my opinion also as a simple viewer being honest.
Do you mean to say that most viewers (about 1 mil and +) of a show are shippers? If yes, then provide the source of your data. If no, then your argument is invalid. Sorry if that last sentence came across harsh.
The truth is more often than not quite a few hardcore shippers tend to get out of control after a while and start harassing the cast, show creators, and writers when it's been determined that their ship will not happen.
I'm not against shipping. I just get annoyed whenever shippers get out of control and start shipping wars. And since this is a fairly new show, and judging by how obsessed some shippers are becoming, it's only a matter of time before one starts.
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Bellamy, but not anytime soon.
ReplyDeleteMy head says Finn, my heart says Bellamy, but my gut says neither
ReplyDeleteI saw this scheduled in the queue a couple of days ago and was really looking forward to seeing what the consensus would be from the fandom
Other: Shampoo.
ReplyDeleteNo one, i'm tired of shows that have a need to pair every main person up. For once I'd like a show that doesn't have any relationship crap in it.
ReplyDeleteI want a strong friendship with Bellamy the next 10-13 episodes at least then we can move to the romance route but this show does well on its on. The shippers ruin all of the good shows with their dumb ass fuck hashtags and messages to the writers and totally take away from the plot and theme of a show.
ReplyDeleteLike seriously, you just literally crashed to earth for the first time, there are wild people, cannibals and mutant animals everywhere who have nothing else to do but kill you.. Would you honestly give a shit if somebody fancied you or even think about wanting a boyfriend?
I say Bellamy if it's done in a natural progressive way. Saying that I do like Lincoln and Octavia - they have great chemistry and arhat was handled great.
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ReplyDeleteNeither. The show is amazing without focusing on the relationships and I don't see that changing anytime soon (fingers crossed!) I do love the chemistry between Bellamy & Clarke, and I love their 'leadership' relationship as it is.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, most fanfiction, gifs, tweets, fan art, forum posts, tumblr posts, spoilers, etc. are about ships. Considering how much attention shippers bring to a show, perhaps it's not the wisest idea to treat us like a bunch of idiots.
ReplyDeleteBut hey, lets make a deal. When non-shippers contribute even HALF as much to the fandom as the shippers do, you can have the right to give us crap. Until that day happens, and from what I've seen it never will, then don't be a jerk.
Neither. She is more interesting alone.
ReplyDeleteFor the love of God, when are you guys going to stop posting these polls? All it does is invite argument. The non-shippers will throw a hissy fit about shipping, the shippers will argue with other shippers, and those who don't care will argue with the non-shippers and the shippers for being so annoying.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the show is better when it doesn't focus too much on triangles, but, a bit like Lost, it's set in a very unlikely situation with events and storylines viewers can't really relate to, so it has to rely on human emotions to make it more realistic and keep the story grounded (does this make sense?).
ReplyDeleteI think the show is doing a great job balancing the main story with love, triangles and friendships. They are there, and used to create tension and move the story along at times, but are not the main focus.
Oh, and I voted for Finn, I just love his hair and cute face. No other reason.
God damn it, you're making it all about ships again? !?!? Damn shippers -,-
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter what the genre or focus is romance is a theme just like any other relationships on the show. A good show has to have all type of relationships equally, friendships, couples, parents, brother/sistership, frenemies, enemies, neutrals. They don't have to be the focus but they have to exist for me to like a show. They are the kinds that mostly helps me bond with characters. So this show has to have at least one or two romance at some degree, should not be the main focus in my opinion. And I prefer Bellamy over Finn anytime, any day but I can't imagine them in a relationship yet. They are not there yet. I'm not sure how many seasons it took for Jake and Kate to be together but Lost in my opinion used relationships very wisely so why wouldn't this show use them as well?
ReplyDeleteTo be honest i would prefer it if she ended up with neither , not every TV show needs to have the main character in a relationship.
ReplyDeleteIs it really necessary to be so rude to shippers? Shippers are also viewers and love the show just as much as non shippers. I ship Bellarke BTW.
ReplyDeleteI prefer Clarke with Bellamy but Bellamy should continue to put his sister first no matter what. I adore how protective he is of her.
ReplyDeleteAs a Bellarke fan, Bellamy obviously. But I want it to be slow. They have a great chemistry. They respect and even admire each other. I like how the writers built this relationship. I want it to become a strong friendship between them. So I don't mind that they will have other romantic relationships with someone else, until in the final season they'll end up with each other. Every series which brings the main characters together too soon coming to an early end.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise this is a series about survival, so I don't think is good for this show to show us a lot romantic scene.
Who are you talking to?
ReplyDeleteThe idea of "fandom" is the dumbest thing that's ever happened on the internet. The writers, directors, cast and crew create a show. We watch it. That's it. At the end of the day all that matters are viewing figures. Not how many times people managed to get a # to trend on twitter, or how many people you can get to spam one of the cast of crew's accounts with nonsense.
ReplyDeleteI my opinion "fandom" is a bad thing. I am a huge fan of this show but I don't want any part of your "fandom". Identifying yourself as a "shipper" rather than a fan of a show is insulting to all involved in the hard work that goes on to make a show. Especially when they are clearly doing their level best to avoid falling into the trappings of being a show that is solely about "ships".
This is a great show. I voted for Bellamy, have you seen him?!!! Apocalypse or not, whoever says that love doesn't matter in the scheme of things has no heart. Why can't you want someone despite chaos? That's when you need it the most.
ReplyDeleteHeh, I'm sorry but you non-shippers are being total assholes. Last I checked, this site wasn't anti-shippers, on the contrary, it's a place for all kinds of tv fans. And I don't even see any crazy shippers around here, actually most of the shippers here aren't all about couples and they voice their opinions without being annoying, so if you don't like this kind of poll, SIT YOUR ASS DOWN and don't vote or comment, because they're not offensive, not to mention that this is a freaking CW, of course there will be romance. Every damn show on any network has it. Stay pressed.
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That being said. Bellarke FTW! I think Finn is a jerk and Clarke has better chemistry and dynamics with Bellamy.
I don't really care who she ends up with.
ReplyDeleteHere's a novel idea, let her concentrate on surviving and getting humanity back on track, and not who should be her boyfriend.
ReplyDeleteI was bellarke fan at the beginning but latest episodes showed me that bellamy doesnt care much for clarke in romantic way,yeah he respects her but no romance involved...if thats the way of so called step by step romance steps r toooo slow(
ReplyDeleteI was bellarke fan at the beginning but latest episodes showed me that bellamy doesnt care much for clarke,yeah he respects her but no romance involved...if thats the way of so called step by step romance steps r toooo slow(
ReplyDeleteEven though I don't ship I like whatever the writers put together if it make since if doesn't I will speak out but if I have to choose Bellamy but I want it to slow build because I like the way they play off each other and how Clarke is changing him into a better man and leader
ReplyDeletePlease respect other fans who care about romance too,this poll is for them,if u came here to mock ppl thats not the best idea, we love action in show and pretty worried about how ark is gonna land on earth and how our heroes will beat those grounders and make alliance with another friendly tribes.yes,we care,but we do not concentrate just on action,we love romance too,so if u think we r wasting our time please pass by
ReplyDeleteFandoms exist to let writers know their work is enjoyed. Let me tell you one fact about being a writer. We love feedback! We love it when someone gets emotional over the things we write. We love it readers, or in this case viewers, are touched in some way by the things we come up with.
ReplyDeleteThe numbers only mean something to the networks, it's the FANDOM that the writers give a damn about. They're not machines, churning out one story after the next. They're real people who put a lot of themselves into a story and can only hope it will be well liked. While numbers do have their part, who wouldn't want a large number of people enjoying their work, the writers themselves get very little out of numbers.
You're being so unbelievably disrespectful to the writers of these TV shows. They get more feedback from fandoms than anywhere else. That stuff gives writers the motivation to continue to do what they do. They don't learn shit from numbers, they learn from people, the fandoms that you have so little regard for.
And fandoms are fans, they're just offshoots. People who love a show, whether they're just shippers or regular viewers, we are ALL fans, and you drawing a line in the sand like that is so much worse than whatever you think we're doing. And we HAVE to create fandoms. Not everyone watches a show for the same reasons. We create fandoms to enjoy aspects of the show with other people who enjoy those same aspects. It also helps keep the fandoms organized so it isn't just one big info dump.
And people like you seem to think you have the right to judge people like me, the shippers, for watching these shows for our own reasons. You have a right to an opinion just like everyone else, but you do not have the right to give us crap for enjoying shows in our own ways. There is not one single way that someone should enjoy a TV show just to make you happy.
I'm a shipper and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it. Shipping is one of the reasons I watch a show, but it's not the ENTIRE reason. Writers really enjoy hearing from fandoms, and whether you like it or not is irrelevant. It's just how it is. Shipping has existed LONG before it ever took up that name. But improvements in social media have allowed groups to form a lot easier. Tumblr is especially well-built for it.
So while I respect your right to an opinion, I don't agree with it even a little bit, and myself, and many other shippers, are getting tired of people like you insulting us for enjoying something that we're passionate about. You don't like shipping? That's fine. You want to tell people you don't like shipping? That's fine too.
But everyone watches TV shows for different things, and the writers of these TV shows enjoy the feedback they get from fandoms. Whether or not they do anything with that feedback is up to them, but as a writer myself I can say with absolute fact that people who respond passionately to their work, like shippers frequently do, are far and above more important to them than numbers.
That's nearly impossible, I mean in every single show relationships just happen, just like in real life. I doubt there is a single TV show were there is no shipping. Even the cable bunch, Game of Thrones, Homeland, Mad Men, and such has their share of couples. I think the key is making realistic tv couples, not the stereotype star crossed lovers
ReplyDeleteI want Clarke and Bellamy to be great friends, but I don't know if they really work out as a couple. They have great chemistry, but I mostly want to see them arguing and understanding each other, balancing each other, pretty much like what happened on 30 Rock with Liz and Jack, a completely platonic friendship. I'm not against the idea of pairing them together, but I think they work nicely as friends.
ReplyDeleteAs for Finn... the guy needs to grow a little, he's too naïve for Clarke right now, and I think if he becomes more grounded and complex then he could be a good match, but until then he still needs to grow a little
wait, you were a bellarke at the beginning? I thought the whole thing started happening from episode 8 onward! Clarke and Bellamy seemed to hate each other in the beginning
ReplyDeleteI think that's for the best if they are going to be a couple down the road, people just don't fall in love withing days, it takes time to build. That being said, I actually hope they don't get together because they work so good as friends!
ReplyDeleteI think he refers to shippers haters in general. I do see his point, some people could be rude, I've seen a couple of "stupid shippers" comments from time to time.
ReplyDeleteLuckily, even though there are people who don't like shipping in this thread, it doesn't seem like there is an insult here (though I haven't read every single comment yet)
Let them be, shippers also help the show on the ratings, so I'd rather have them watching it than getting them rid of them altogether. Also, it doesn't bother me, many shippers on The 100 realize how important the storytelling is, so what's wrong if they also want a certain couple to get together? I, for instance, don't particularly ship anyone in The 100, but I have nothing against people who do
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I think it's the people who should calm themselves down. Shippers and Non-Shippers shouldn't rise any red flag, people have their right to believe that a show works better with or without it, the main issue here is that there is respect from both sides: non-shippers shouldn't say things like "shippers are stupid people" and shippers shouldn't take it on non-shippers as well. It's all about respect
ReplyDeleteFandom is not all about shipping, you know? It's about discussing what you like or didn't like of an episode, it's a landscape for fans to encounter each other and share what their opinions on a show are and there is nothing worng with that. And many TV writers love their fandom; JH Wyman always took into account what Fringe fans had to say, and so does Jason Rothenberg in The 100. They write the show and they get to see how the fans react; that gives them a boost to keep doing what they do. When people who has read my book tells me that I did a great job it makes me happy and it makes me want to continue, so I assume that JH and Jason go through the same thing when they see the possitive feedback, and that's hardly a dumb or bad thing, it's a good thing. There's nothing wrong with the creative minds connecting with their audience.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I think SpoilerTV is a place for fandom as fans join here to discuss their favorite shows, so if you actively talk about your favorite shows here with other people, you are already part of the fandom
I can tell you are a writer. So much passion. More power to you! It's a heck of a lot better to have "shippers" and the focus it brings them as long as it prevents people from being mean and bullies. There are so many worse things people can be in the world. R E S P E C T is what is important :)
ReplyDeleteWhy would you say non_shippers contribute less to recognition to a show than shippers? As a fan of the whole show I can voice my opinion without shoving a pairing down the writers throat just fine. I like Bellamy and Finn both just fine. The 100 is so much more, that who Clarke ends up with is the least important thing. IMO the non-shipper is the true fan because he/she watches not matter what happens... This poll is really a bad idea, not because relationships are not important, but because it is dividing the fans. And I want the writers to get feedback on the whole story and not be distracted by hate or love comments from fans regarding their ship.
ReplyDeleteI voted alone if only because Finn has some growing up to do and Bellamy and Clarke may have great chemistry, but the show is at it's best when they are at odds. If they start going hand in hand, agreeing with each others every decisión, then it will turn boring. So I think she should stay alone for the time being.
ReplyDeleteI'll really never understand why people think every female character to be in a relationship 5 min into the show. I really wish shippers would stick to BatB and Reign and leave show like this one and Arrow alone...
I agree that producers r developing their couple,that dessert is not given to you soon,we need to wait...WAIT..considering the fact bellamy was ok while clarke was missing and didnt give her even a hug when she came back we need to wait for quite a LONG time(
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between "fans of a show" and "fandoms". They are not the same thing.
ReplyDeleteI show my appreciation and respect for the work these people do by watching the show and then discussing what is actually happening on it. Not what I wish was happening on it, or who I wish was hooking up with who.
If I was a writer I'd be delighted to know that what I was doing was making people think and talk to each other. I would be really pi**ed off however if the majority of people were watching what I'd written and focusing on things that weren't even happening or interpreting the things I wrote to suit themselves.
You look through Tumblr and it's all Bellarke, or the majority of it is. And it's not even the Bellamy/Clarke relationship that exists on the show. There is nothing romantic happening between them, not even an inkling of it so the face that this poll even exists and people are getting so annoyed about it just shows how useful "fandoms" are.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with shipping. It's a part of all TV shows, it happens naturally, we all do it. What I do have a problem with is people shipping things that aren't there. People bombarding every discussion thread with talk of ships. People getting couple names to trend in twitter when there's so much more happening in an episode. People endlessly harassing the cast and crew on twitter about their favourite couples when they've created a show that delves so deeply into what it means to be human. Not a show about teens making gooey eyes at each other.
The fact that this poll exists at all angers me because it's pointless. We've had 12 episodes of a show where so much has happened and the most animated people are getting is about who Clarke should end up with. Not will Clarke survive the finale, not will Clarke ever be able to forgive her mother for what she did, not will Clarke lose much more of herself in her efforts to survive and keep everyone else alive too. No, it's who should she "end up with". Great. Well done, "fandom".
If you read my reply above I've explained as far as I'm concerned there's a big difference between fans and fandom. Rothenberg himself even said on his twitter a while back that he'd prefer the fans of the show didn't label themselves anything other than fans and just enjoyed the show for what it was.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how many tweets he's made, or cast members have made, trying very nicely to stop people obsessing over couples. I know if a pair of characters are well written and well developed and their relationship is well developed you'll find yourself caring about them but the idea of "shipping" as a thing you actively do based on one or two scenes that only show two actors have good chemistry just baffles me.
Could not have said it any better! For what it is worth, I totally agree! :-)
ReplyDeleteYou're the one being a jerk.
ReplyDeleteWhat TV show do you write for?
ReplyDeleteIf you've been involved with shows like TVD and TO for as long as I have you should know as well as I do how shippers can damage shows beyond repair by pushing the writers towards a certain ship trough twitter and other social media platforms
ReplyDeleteI'm no shipper, I have nothing against shippers but I don't engage in that stuff. However, I do have issues with hardcore shippers. I've mentioned before that I was sent death threats and labeled as homophobic from Destiel shippers because I dared to ask them to clarify why they believed it was canon after the latest episode. To me, if all you take from an episode is whether or not it provides any information which confirms/adds to a ship that exists in your head then that's just disappointing. Granted not all shippers are like this, but unfortunately there's a very large amount that are. Then they ram it down our throats constantly and try and force it on us/the writers in order to make it happen.
ReplyDeleteThat be'd unrealistic. 100 teenagers on Earth? Yeah there are going to be hookups and relationships. Also, you should probably not watch the CW if you don't want to see romance.
ReplyDeleteBellamy for sure. Not rushed though, like all of the other romantic relationships that happened so far. I would like to see a nice long slow burn between them.
ReplyDeleteFinn broke her heart. He's soo in love with her yet he couldn't break up with his girlfriend or stop having sex with her. If Raven hadn't broken up with him, he'd still be with her right now. He was trying to have both girls. I think he's a nice kid most of the time, but I don't think he should be with Clarke.
As someone else said, they've been there less than a month. They have an army of natives killing them, they are walking on ground for the first time, risk of radiation and storms, an ark that's dying, mystery mountain people, lack of food, mutant animals, killer weather and so much more happening to them on no daily basis. The last thing on their minds is going to be who wants to take them out on a date.
ReplyDeleteUm Supernatural is on the CW and does that have any romance, not that I have seen. Maybe the occasional once or twice a season dean hook up but 98% of that show is romance free.
ReplyDeleteonce got a death threat from a Klayley shipper and was asked to shoot myself by various Delena shippers.
ReplyDeleteThey're mental
Of course does every single show have relationships, but The 100 is less about that than others and a poll like this is just harmful to the fans because it is dividing them. Shipwars bring out the worth in people, they use the anonymity to say things they would not dream on saying in public. I really like the show but I don't want it about who Clarke will end up with nor would I like to read about speculations every single day. The show is called The 100 for a reason, please let be more about than 3 people!
ReplyDeleteHow about Linctavia, Raven/Finn/Clarke, Bell's threesome/occasional hook up/Raven? Isn't that part of the "romance" department? I see your point. However, it's seems as if it applies to one couple it should apply to all.
ReplyDeleteITA! no one expects there to be no romance whatsoever on the show, but let's keep it in the backburner, the least of their problems is who will warm their sleeping bag at night. First they need to stablish themselves on the ground in a safe place, with a steady water and food supply, once that's done they can worry about who gets together with who.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for writing down exactly what I feel! you couldn't be more right about everything you say!
ReplyDeleteFinn Should be with Nature, after that the girls will just follow.
ReplyDeleteBellamy should lead the camp, it will allow him to be a better person he was always suppose to be if it wasn't for the guard.
I don't know what Clarke wants, but her being the main character, seems like she will play in both courts.
No offence but most of you ARE a bunch of idiots. Spending your time talking about couples and characters you want to get together rather than the plot, the arc, the character development, the theme of a show, the message, the real life parallels, the lessons it could be teaching you is dumb. Sure I like a good romance but seriously just go watch porn if that's all your after.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I personally don't think you contribute jack shit to the show (fandom is so fucking stupid).. Wow you wrote a bit of fan fiction and created a gif for tumblr? *slow clap* well done! amazing, really - that must have used up quite a lot of your brains cells to do. P.S, you were a jerk first.
What exactly have you contributed to the show?
ReplyDeleteTo this show? Nothing. I don't watch it.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how we're shoving pairings down the throats of the people who write the pairings. Also, I've seen no evidence to support that shippers leave shows any faster than non-shippers do when they seem something they don't like. I've seen both sides whine constantly about a ship or plot point they don't like, then threaten to leave, but rarely do.
ReplyDeleteIt's universal. If you create something and put it out there in the world, you want people to enjoy it. Otherwise you wouldn't put it out there.
ReplyDeleteUmm....thank you?
ReplyDeleteYet your commenting on it? May I ask what you 'contribute' to the shows that you do watch?
ReplyDeleteBellamy! The chemistry between Bob and Eliza is AMAZING. That type of chemistry shouldn't be wasted! I'm rooting for Bellamy and Clarke! Bellarke all the way!!!! :)
ReplyDeleteDid I comment on the show itself? I don't remember that. He referred to shippers in general and I did the same. Also, I'm not quite as creative as others. I write but I don't do the whole gifs and art thing.
ReplyDeleteBut I've had more than a few tell me that what I've written has attracted them to the show. I don't know about you, but adding more PEOPLE to the viewership by writing about the show seems like a pretty good idea way to contribute.
Yes but they're not fighting to stay alive every second. There's downtime. Also, there hasn't been anyone worrying about taking them out on a date on this show. So not sure why you're worried about that.
ReplyDeleteI just think people should stop watching it if they can't deal with romances. They already have a triangle and Licnoln/Octavia. There's always going to be romance on this show, whether Bellarke happens or not.
Also, to add, I don't think the comments matter that much. The VOTES speak for themselves. And looks like a LOT of fans prefer Bellamy and Clarke together! So YAY for Bellarke!
ReplyDeleteHow do they ruin the show though? SHippers don't write the show so it doesn't matter what they tweet? This makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteWhat ruins fandoms for me are people like you who treat shippers like dirt, like they're not part of the fandom.
Some people who aren't interested in shipping are so damn pretentious. You're not better than any other fan of this show so take a seat.
ReplyDeleteI disagree. There's no "true" fan. I ship couples on the show, but first and foremost I love the show as a whole. A love the plot. Something anti-shippers keep doing wrong is assuming anyone who roots for a couple doesn't really like the show and all they care about is their ships. SO wrong.
ReplyDeleteI can't tell if your trolling or just stupid.
ReplyDeleteYou are commenting (a lot) on a post made about the show The 100, how did you forget that you did that?
Wow, you write fan fiction? All by yourself? Wow! Next you will be telling me you post gifs onto tumblr! Sarcasm aside, I don't see your point since I could skip the BS and writing fan fiction, and just talk to my friends and tell them about what an amazing show the 100 is and how cool the plot is etc rather than who I hope will bone in the next episode. Good god.
Damn. The anti-shippers can be such whiners and snobs.
ReplyDeleteLet me tell you something. I ship two couples on this show. You know what else? I love this show. I pretty much love everything about it so far. I love the plot, I love the characters.. Not just the "ships". So to those people attacking shippers because they think that's all we care about...just stop. You don't know what you're talking about. Here's a newsflash for you - you can ship AND also love the show in it's entirety. It's not one or the other.
It's just one poll.
ReplyDeleteSeriously. Anti-shippers over here are so so hateful It's disgusting.
ReplyDeleteYou should tell the writers that then. They're the ones who made a romance between Finn and Clarke, not the shippers. :)
ReplyDeleteI saw the opposite? Bellamy;s always protecting Clarke and he's saved her life more than once. Even the head writer said Bellamy was freaking out in episode 12 because he was feeling the loss of Clarke.
ReplyDeleteFor those hating on shippers because they don't want romance on the show...um the writers have already put romance on the show, not us. You know...Lincoln/Octavia, Finn/Clarke, Raven/Finn, etcc.. So don't hate on shippers when we're not the ones writing these romances into the show.
ReplyDeleteWow that escalated quickly. You're making an interesting assumption that I question. That shippers ONLY talk about shipping. Which, I'm sorry to break the illusion that you have in your head to support your argument, couldn't be more wrong. Our ships are quite often tied into the plot in some way, and even if they weren't we would still talk about them.
ReplyDeleteYou're operating under the belief that shippers don't care about the plot. We do. And if you knew what the hell you were talking about you would also know that even in our own shipping posts we often talk about the plot of the show. And since I apparently didn't explain it well enough before for you, the person I responded to made a GENERAL response to shippers, not shippers that only watch this show, but ALL shippers for every show. I did the same.
Being a shipper does not mean we're not interested in anything else. I don't see how you, and so many others, came to that conclusion. Sure, we go a bit (a lot) crazy over our ships, but we love the plot as well.
um, yes hello,insulting people goes not make anything better. its just makes people upset, so yeah. just a tip.
ReplyDeletewow....the non-shippers for the 100 are a little bit rude. but anyway I love bellarke to death and I really want it to be a slow romance because those are the best!!!!
ReplyDeleteExactly. As long as there are people, there will be romances. It's unrealistic if there aren't.
ReplyDeleteThe 100 does have several couples though. It's not the main focus, but it's still there. Whether Clarke is with Bellamy or Finn, it will never be the main focus. It will get the same focus romance is getting in season 1.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how this poll will change anything? It's just for fun.
That's because there are only male main characters. Also, the female fanbase is rabid and sends hate to writers anytime the guys have a had a girlfriend in the past.
ReplyDeleteThat's an interresting take on it. Though I don't really see it that way, it's always surprising, interesrting and fun to understand how other people see it
ReplyDeleteThat's why I think respect should go both ways, shippers should respect those who don't ship and they should be able to justify their shipping too, even if their answer is based on chemistry only.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that hardcore shipping can be horrifying, but that's only because of the people who feel that strongly that they can even send death threats (I never thought it was possible for someone to go that far!). I agree with you completely on that front (the person who sent you a death threat is outright crazy).
On the ratings front, I think shows need to be as broad as possible to gather ratings; if you take out of the equation all the people who ship and leave in only those who doesn't the ratings are going to be lower, even if it is one tenth less, but you are taking away those viewers. The point of The 100 is not the romance but the survival, yet relationship are there and they are part of every show. I don't think it's essential for a show survival to make all kind of romantic entanglements, I think the key is developing real human relationships. The non-shipper seems to me, at times, like they want to strip every show from every romantic relationship possible and that's nuts. A show needs realistic relationships, not star crossed lovers or no relationships whatsoever
Well I never liked TVD and I had 0 interest on TO, so I don't know what that fandom is like. It's a shame, hardcore shippers should respect everyone who feels differently about a show and their couples, being rude and mean can only damage the show they like. Respect has to go both ways.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad how things are turning out, these are the kind of stuff that divides fandom :/
Damn anti-shippers. :p
ReplyDeleteI didn't see that tweet, so I can't really talk about it, I can only say that the guy takes his time to engage with the fans.
ReplyDeleteI see fandom as a gathering of fans talking about the show they love, shippers and non-shippers. The fandom of The 100 doesn't only care about who sleeps with who, I certainly don't and I consider myself part of the fandom. What I care about the show is the quality of the script and the strength of the acting, and on those fronts the show is outstanding for The CW.
The fandom goes beyond shipping and shouldn't be dismissed for shipping alone
it's not even important respect-wise. It's scary to think that a fictional couple could push you over the edge like this. Going on rampages and sending death threats isn't just disrespectful...it's downright dangerous.
ReplyDeleteI expect to see coverage over a youth homicide stating: "Girl killed young co-student due to '[Couple] being better than [insert opposing couple]' every day I dare to watch the news
damn pro-anti-multi-over-shippers
ReplyDeletedamn anit-multi-pro-anti-multi-over-shippers!
ReplyDeleteThe Vampire Diaries ratings have absolutely crashed this season. Many of the fans that i've spoken to about it seem to be blaming it on the writers pandering to shippers every other week.
ReplyDeleteI think you are confusing fandom with shippers, that's 2 different things altogether.
ReplyDeleteI'm part of the fandom of The 100, but I don't ship ANYONE! Not Bellaker, not Lincon/Octavia, not Finn/Clarke, no one. I just care about the plot and the great storytelling. And yet I'm part of the fandom.
The shippers are PART OF the fandom, not the fandom itself. And since when does shippers only care about the couples? I ship Emma/Hook in OUAT, but my main concern is how entertaining the show is in a weekly basis, if Emma and Hook don't end up together that's fine by me, even if I'd prefer otherwise. You are talking about HARDCORE SHIPPERS, those who only care about the couples.
I think the distinction is necessary, many shippers do care about the quality of the storyline over their own couples. I agree, I'd be pissed if people read my books only to see one pairing getting together, but I know that's not everyone, it's not fair to say that every shipper is a hardcore shipper, that's not true.
The key is respect: shippers and non shippers should respect each others, and shippers have their right to be angry if something didn't go their way, but they shouldn't bash the writers of the show just because it, they should also recognize what the show does right
people are allowed to trend a a ship name and be passionate about a ship, as long as there not harassing others or being mean and nasty. if its natural then way are you upset by fans being passionate about it. if someone does tweet the ship name it doesn't necessarily mean that they neglected whats happening on the show. plus half of the time the ship trends don't even happen during the time of the show or the day of. I can see where your coming from but to say its okay to ship but then tell someone how they should be fan doesn't make you a better fan. plus people being invested in a character shows a writer that they have accomplished in making them real. so yeah if I was a writer and I got feed back from fans saying we love what your doing with this show, or we love these two characters they are fantastic we really want them to together then I would be happy because, I did what writing is suppose to do make people feel and think.
ReplyDeleteThis fan pandering to shippers thing is utter nonsense. It's a miracle if any ship survives more than 3-6 episodes these days. Writers are sinking ships left and right.
ReplyDeleteAs for the ratings on TVD, non-shippers like to use shippers as scapegoats for shows problems. People just weren't all that interested in the plot this season. Elena reached a new level of annoying this season, most people are just tired of the travelers storyline, people got sick of Stefan being the show's favorite punching bag etc. That stuff has nothing to do with shippers.
A lot of the time, it's the actual plot that's hurting the show. This season overall just wasn't that interesting to watch. Now don't get me wrong, shippers did contribute to it, we just weren't the main problem. They actively tried to piss off most of the fans this season, and it worked.
I can't believe how much discussion this poll brought up, but maybe it's for the best.
ReplyDeleteI want to say some things that may help everyone understand each other better.
-There's nothing wrong with shipping, people are entitled to their own preferences in the relationships that are generated in a show. The problem is hardcore shipping, when everything that counts is a couple and they ignore every other aspect of the show and even go as far as insulting writers and other fans.
-There's nothing wrong with non-shipping. People can roll their eyes at some couples or "shippable" moments if they want, but they have no right to make fun of people who, in fact, ship.
-Fandom and ship are two different things: Shipping is a part of the fandom, not the fandom itself; to assume that everyone in the fandom is a shipper is disrespectful, because there is more to the fandom than that. I, for one, am part of The 100 fandom and I don't ship anyone in the show. The fandom is a gathering of fans that discuss their favorite aspects of their show and they are passionate about it. To call it "the dumbest thing on the internet" is rude, mean and outright bad taste.
Please let everyone say what they think without insulting them: you want to see Clarke with Bellamy or Finn? Fine. You want her to be alone? Fine. But don't insult someone who wants something different
I agree, I think it's the plotting the thing that hurt shows most. While I liked the plot on the second season of Revenge a lot of people didn't and the ratings went right down the toilet, it had nothing to do with shipping.
ReplyDeleteThere are countless of other examples there; as long as the plot and storytelling is engaging there is no reason to leave a show. To stop watching because of shipping? That's nonsense, if so OUAT would have been delivering low 1s this season with the whole Neal/Emma/Hook love triangle
That's right, it's downright crazy! It's obvious that in those cases something serious is going on and those people need help, but aside from that I think that there is an imperative need for people to understand and respect each other in order to make discussions pleasant instead of outright fights
ReplyDeleteI really want bellarke to be slow burn because I feel like those are best!!!!
ReplyDeleteI knew this discussion would be civilized....not.
ReplyDeleteI'm tired of tv shows that make everything about ships but anti-shippers are as bad as crazy shippers. Especially because 99% of thetv shows (even cable) have some romance. The problem is when the show becomes all about romance. Fandom always put more attention on romance than anything else. Every single discussion this season about The Walking Dead was mostly about Daryl/Carol vs Daryl/Beth and TWD isn't about romance. Some fans will always care about shipping more than anything else. This isn't only on The CW. All I hear about Agents of Shield is about shipping, the same goes for other cable shows like Orphan Black.
Personally I want Bellarke but I don't need it now. I just want more build up and character development. But if we are going to have romance next season anything but Finn/Clarke or Bellamy/Raven is fine by me.
Also there's nothing more stupid and misogynist than thinking a female character is only a "good" character when she is single. Romantic relationships are a normal part of everyone's life.
Bellamy for sure. I love them together, whether they're fighting or getting along.
ReplyDeleteI'm not confusing shipping with fandom.
ReplyDeleteThe point I'm trying to make is people labeling themselves and then acting like a collective mind. It's like people calling themselves "Little Monsters" or "Beliebers" or whatever other pop star cults there are these days. Why the need to label and flock together?
I like well written, thought provoking and entertaining television. I like to be able to come online and discuss well written, thought provoking television with like minded people. I don't feel the need to identify myself as part of any "fandom".
There are so many negative connotations connected with words like "fandom" and "shippers" that I can't see why anyone would actively label themselves that way. Yes, you can enjoy a TV show whatever the hell way you like. I'm not saying you can't. I am just saying I wish people could have some sense of themselves as an individual in their online presence rather than always having to be part of some larger labeled group.
As for respect, it's earned. Post something worthy of my respect and I'll give it. I'll try to avoid these discussions anymore because they just go around in circles and it's pointless. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. It's hard to avoid this conversation though because it will keep coming up as long as people keep interpreting TV shows to suit themselves and putting way too much focus on couples hooking up.
First and foremost I disagree whith the notion that respect is earned, you should never ever disrespect someone or insult them. Even if they insult you, responding as such only makes you go as low as the one who insulted you. You may think they are doing something wrong or even that they are outright imbeciles, but there is no need to call them that.
ReplyDeleteSecond of all, being part of this "hive mind" and enjoying the show as an individual is not mutually exclusive, you can do both, I do! Many times I disagree with notions of the fandom in general, but fandom is great thing. The passion of the Cortexifans (Fringa fans) was involved in getting the show renewed for a final fifth season, and the passion of the Beasties surely helped in there too (I'm don't watch BATB, but I respect the passion those fans have for the show, even if I don't like it).
The need to flock together is to make pressence, this is essential for low rated shows. Would Community have a chance of being resurrected by Hulu if the Humans Beings didn't flock and say they want the show to be saved? Would it have made it to 5 seasons to begin with? We all have our personal taste, our differences in our favorite episodes, but one thing is the same: we love our show. How is it bad that we name ourselves with a label that represents our passion for the show we love? What harm does it bring to viewers or writers? Is it so hard to just ignore it if it bothers you so much? Why must you call it stupid? It's not right, you shouldn't. I see absolutely nothing wrong with people flocking in fandom, I met wonderful people on my Cortexifans years, and we didn't insult anyone, we were always respectful, we just defended out show, what's stupid or wrong about that? We all were able to enjoy the show as individual and talk about it as ourselves, but we also recognized that we were part of a bigger group who wanted the show to have the ending it deserved.
There is nothing wrong with it. If you want to enjoy shows as an individual and not be labed as part of a fandom, then go ahead! No one is going to force you to join the fandom! But when you outright say it's stupid/dumb or whatever then we have a problem. You are telling that millions of people who just want to share their passion for a show and show their pressence online are stupid. I won't deny that among the fandom there are going to be crazy people, but there's crazy people everywhere! There's crazy people who don't take part on fandoms too, so why take it on fandom which is essentialy harmless? We agree and disagree on many things, but what gathers is one thing: the passion for our shows.
I just hope they don't do the teeny drama thing were after a while everyone has slept with everyone. Would be nice for someone to have a steady relationship..ish with someone for the long run .That has always kept me from watching kiddy dramas or soap operas. Never really watched a CW show before.
ReplyDeleteHoly shitocky mushrooms!! After reading these comments we should tell 'The 100'... "don't fear the reapers"... they've got nothing on the "fans"...
ReplyDeletesome non-shippers on here really need to stop trying to police people in this fandom, like clam down people are allowed to like a ship on a show they love. as long as no ones hurting any one let people be, its not your job to tell people how to be a fan, I mean come on its your personal opinion like its other fans personal opinion that bellarke is super tight and should totally get together. like yours is that the show isn't about romance. respect people man don't be a jerk and insult people that never ends well. and you know what I don't understand this whole thing where people say the writers hate people just focusing on a ship. because one: lots of shippers think the plot is banging, and two: there's nothing wrong with people wanting two characters together it just means the writers achieved what they wanted, making characters repeatable. making us care for them. because isn't that what story tellings is about feeling and thinking. by the way bellarke is super tight and should they should totally get together.
ReplyDeleteIf ppl pay attention to romance that doesnt make them automatically less cared about other problems,plot and action. Its just an additional interest,u can hate it or not its a fact
ReplyDeleteDefinitely Bellamy, but I want it to be an Olicity-like slow burn! Finn is kind of an idiot, I don't hate him, but Clarke can do better. Plus her chemistry and dynamic with Bellamy are way stronger. It's a no brainer here, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteIt's sad to see that we all love this show but the hate between the categories you put yourself into is crazy. There's shippers. There's non-shippers. End of the story. No need to go all crazy with torches and knives.
ReplyDeleteI like Bellamy, my sister like Finn, and god, we are not jumping each-other throat. Mostly, we just both love the show. There is enough hate every day on the street, at work, school,.. And now, the one thing that allow us to just forget about the day and relax, BAM, here we are again. Jesus, I know demanding rainbows and puppies is a fantasy, but I'd really like a freakin unicorn right now.
Bellamy all the way!!!!
ReplyDeleteThank you. I don't mind non shippers. For example I have 0 interest in the romantic relationships in Arrow but I don't look down on Olicity shippers. People have the right to like whatever they want and enjoy whatever aspect of the show they like the most.
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ReplyDeleteNeither Clarke has to first deal with leadership issues and if the Ark ever comes down in one peace then she will have to also with mother issues.
ReplyDeleteWincest and Destiel are big ships in the fandom. They're just not heterosexual.
ReplyDeleteBellarke!
ReplyDeleteThe more difficult question is who Raven should be with. Right now there is no really kick ass character on the show for her.
Wow, 1,197 votes for Bellamy? That's AMAZING! Yay for Bellarke!
ReplyDelete1.300 votes for Bellamy! Wow, the Bellarke fanbase is HUGE!
ReplyDelete1,318 votes for Bellamy! That's amazing! I want Bellarke romance in season 2. I think waiting for seasons 3 and up would frustrate the fans too much. You got to get a pairing together when they are getting the buzz and attention and when they are HOT! :)
ReplyDeleteBuild up has been amazing for them in season 1. I think season 2 would be the perfect time to get Bellarke together.
I'm a huge fan of this show. It's one of my absolute favorites this season. I love everything about it. And I'm rooting for a ship that I'm HOPING will happen eventually. But I hate fanservice. And I trust that Jason & the other writers won't. He has said/implied multiple times that he is going to write what we need and not what we want. This doesn't change my love for "Bellarke" or stop shipping them. The way I feel about it is kind of like an athletic team you root for. Which games are the most exciting? The ones where you have no idea if your team will win or not. You're hoping, but you don't know. The really reason I think shipping is so popular is because it's gives viewers a constant to root for. Yes, this is a show about survival. We should be rooting for them to stay alive and win the battle. And we are. But the truth of it is, we all know to some degree, which characters are going to survive. We know, despite exceptions, that the main protagonist is going to live. It's all about something tangible to root for every week. In my opinion, the plot should steer the ship rather that the ship steering the plot. Plot should always come first.
ReplyDeleteI completely get what you're saying. The cast and crew have all made tweets where you can feel their frustration with the shippers. I think it's more about the pushiness of some of the shippers rather than the ship itself. They make a comment about a different couple while live-tweeting and are attacked by shippers. Shippers trend "BellarkeinSeason2" and get mad and attack the cast & crew for not favoriting or re-tweeting it. It's impressive, yes. But it's very passive aggressive. You're right, it's completely wrong. Please believe that we are not all like that. You say we are a "collective mind" and have no individual presence. That's wrong. If I mention I'm rooting for a particular couple, the fandom labels me a "shipper" and I automatically get the "you're not a true fan" accusation. We all may root for the same couple but don't agree on everything. A lot of shippers are embarrassed by the actions of the others. Myself included.
I love the creative passion this fandom has, shippers included, I just wish shippers would ship in peace and stop trying to take control of the show with their "influence". So while I don't consider myself "stupid" for shipping actors with good chemistry or being a part of this fandom. I get where your frustration comes from as well. I feel it too. However, like you said, this argument will go in circles.
I mostly agree with you. It depends on how the story goes in season 2 you know. You can´t throw them together, just bc fans want them to, it has to make some kind of sense. I´m huge Bellarke fan, don´t get me wrong, but I don´t want it to be rushed.
ReplyDeleteWhat I was trying to say, and perhaps could have worded it better, is that when you think of "shippers" or "fandom" it tends to be in a negative way. The ones who are loudest and make themselves seen/heard are rarely the best example of the fans of whatever show it is. Which is the reason I wonder why anyone who is genuinely a fan of the all aspects of a show would want to be associated with either label.
ReplyDeleteI don't describe myself as a "shipper" but that does not mean I don't like certain couples and have an interest in where their story goes. However I am not demanding they hook up after 3 or 4 episodes, or ignoring whatever it is that is actually happening with them onscreen. Various websites make it easier for fans of shows to share their appreciation but they also make it very easy for people to get at the cast and crew and the impression that a lot of these fans give off is not one I myself would want to be associated with, hence why I don't understand the need of so many to label themselves "fandom" or "shippers".
I apologise if my previous posts offended anyone, and I shouldn't have used words like "stupid" but I stand by the overall point I was making.
The writers have been very careful and amazing with Bellarke in season 1. I trust them to keep building the emotional bond between Bellarke in season 2 as well. I just think season 2 would be a realistic and perfect time to get some romance with them. I always view shows that drag pairings for years and years to be really unrealistic. In real life, it usually wouldn't take years for 2 attractive people to get together.
ReplyDeletePlease no Bellamy and Clarke ever, they are best in a non romantic way!
ReplyDeleteIMO it would change the show in a way I don't it to be. And Bellamy and Raven are a better fit. I hope that they give Finn a better writing for Season 2, his own storyline not defined by women...
True, I think they will make it right, so far I haven´t had any problems with writing, so I trust them with Bellarke too :)
ReplyDeleteYes but if that's ALL they pay attention too in a series that has so many other facets involved in it (like the 100 has), then that's a little disappointing.
ReplyDeleteHow can you know they're best as non romantic when we haven't seen them romantic. ;)
ReplyDeleteI think Finn/Clarke and Raven/Bellamy are too alike and it's predictable putting them together. I think couples that with opposites are far more interesting.
ahahahah the results of the poll says it all. Bellamy is the winner with no fight really. I love how some people LOVEEEEE to talk shit about romance yet The 100 can't be a real good and realistic show without it. I mean in real-life romance happens under all circumstances. A little of everything is waht makes a good show and I'll take Bellamy/Clarke over any pairings because of their AMAZING chemistry. They have gold in their hands with Bob and Eliza, it would be STUPID not to use it. Obviously Finn/Clarke or whatever it was between Raven/Bellamy ain't working. And don't tell me BS about fan service because this is US viewers that make the ratings and at some point you gotta give some to the viewers. Also some people need to realize that LOTS of people started watching the show for the "relationship" between Bellamy and Clarke. Whether it is because of a video on youtube, an art made on tumblr or people talking about it on forums. Anti-shippers (more like tyrans) need to deal with it. Not everyone is watching for the plot and they shouldn't be critize for it. After all they do promote the show with their shipper stuff. Thanks to them. We all watch the show for different reasons and I for one can say that if it wasn't for Clarke and Bellamy...I probably would have turn off my tv and never watched the show again. BELLARKE, BELLARKE, BELLARKE, BELLARKE!!!
ReplyDeleteOne last thing, don't think because we ship Bellamy and Clarke that it means we actually want them together right away. We want the slow build-up, the hints....ask yourself a question why is there more development between Clarke and Bellamy than there ever was between the main pairing of the show (Finn/Clarke)? Then people ask why Bellarke is so loved XD
Because it is not a show about couples but about survival, and Bellamy is great, but I don't want him with Clarke either. Over the last episodes Bellamy changed into softer more reflective and Clarke went darker, they are getting more alike, so they are as predictable as the other pairings. At the end everybody has been with everybody, that is predictable for a CW show... Fan base or not, Olicity also has not happened because it would change the character of the show into something else.
ReplyDeleteI think some "shippers" are confused as to some of the non-shipper issues. (Some, not all) Mine for example are as listed:
ReplyDelete1) Some make every single look, touch, sigh etc...romantic. Sometimes it just is not. Sometimes one wishes the other would just shut up.
2) Some become stalkers. Some stalk twitter and as soon as one of their favs post something totally non-show related, they start to harass them with "I love you! Look at the attention Bellarke is getting! They're amazing!! OMG."
Sometimes the writers and actors just want to chat and have fun with the fans about the show without being bombarded with only "Bellarke, Bellarke, Bellarke!!"
Think of how many times you tweet to them in an hour. Multiply that by any number of given fans. They probably feel harassed and log off.
3) You feel excited about your ship, you tweet the writers, one at a time, "we love Bellarke!!" Do you not realize they're working in offices in close vicinity of each other? "Hey guys we got another one! Oh, you too?"
4) When things aren't going your way you tweet to the writers, whiny and sad tweets. As if they write just to displease you. No they don't. They're telling a story. When the romance comes, it comes. Not until they are ready. No amount of sad and disappointed tweets is going to change a writers script or vision of the story.
5) The actors have a right to their opinion. They have the right to come to twitter and chat about anything they want to and ignore what they don't want to talk about. For the past few weeks Dev has caught hell from Bellarke shippers for favoriting ONE tweet about annoying shippers. That's not right. You know why? Because some were being annoying. He made comments about the story and was immediately jumped on with "hey Dev, love you! Who do you ship? Bellarke or Flarke?"
Imagine you just put in a long work day and were excited about what you had done. You come on twitter feeling good. Feeling happy. You want to share with the fans and that is the response you get. Can you blame any of them? I don't. I also know that all shippers do not do this. It's more than a few but they can be very worrisome. It's almost sad that they think it's ok to just spam the writers and actors with any and all mentions of "Bellarke" and then become insulted when their efforts are ignored. Sometimes it is quality over quantity. They care more about what you say than how many times you say it. I really don't want to insult anyone, I just wish you could see from all sides. If we as fellow fans see this much, how much do the actors and writers see? What do they have to scroll through just to get to a thoughtful review?
I love Bellamy and Clarke. I love them enough to want them to be "the" couple for The 100. The Queen and her Knight. I love passionate shippers but I don't care for the shippers who say "oh they expect it, they love us, we are the fandom etc..." Entitlement is not a good behavior. Sorry for the long post. I just had enough when I saw a favorite actor being insulted. Again.
Where do you get that people started to watch the show because of Bellamy and Clarke? You might have switch off the tv otherwise, but others might not. I started watching because of the cast of the Arc but ofcourse I like Bellamy. Is there an actual statistic for it, which divides Bellarke viewers from the rest of us and shows that we are outnumbered? I don't think so. IMO the show runners and don't owe us anything just good entertainment, and so far it has been a hell of a ride Bellarke or not.
ReplyDeleteAlmost 1,600 votes for Bellamy! WOW! This is amazing!
ReplyDeleteOver 1,500 people have great taste. ;)
ReplyDeleteGreat comment! Very well thought out and articulated. Insightful and informative without being derogatory. I just wish both shippers and non shippers would realize that we are all on the same side and only have the shows best interest at heart. We all just want The 100 to succeed.
ReplyDeleteBellamy/Raven would a snooze fest like Finn/Clarke are.
ReplyDeleteI agree those are problems but the main problem is that most non shippers seem to have (with this show and many others) is that they don't want romance of any kind and it's incredible misogynist that some people trash female characters the moment they get a love interest. Like it makes them look "weak" or some other stupid reason.
ReplyDeleteAs a Bellarke fan I can't stand those attitudes either but every fandom has crazy people. At least this fandom isn't as crazy as the VD fandom or the OUAT fandom (most entitled crazy shippers I have ever seen).
I think writers should listen to the fans but then decide what to do with the storyline or what it would be better for the plot. There's a difference between taking fans opinion into consideration and letting the fans rule the show. I don't want this to be like TVD where every single ridiculous ship happened or like Revolution that the writers were determined to make the most hated ship happen if the show got renewed.
I agree! I think TVD shipper issues hurt the CW. I'm all for shipping, I love the passion. When I see a tweet to an actor and/or writer that they (the shipper) are being disrespected because they either don't answer one of the hundred tweets they sent that day or because they simply disagree, I have a problem with that. I saw one shipper literally beg every writer and actor for the show to acknowledge all of the "hard work" they put into shipping this couple. Not once but several times over several days. That's why Bellarke us getting disrespected. As for those who don't romance at all, 90% of every show ever aired had elements of romance. I believe they're just being contrary.
ReplyDeleteAll this comments show that, we Finn/clarke fans better stay in hiding like every other minority! Unfortunately we are not protected by any Anti-discrimination Act. But we are here to stay!
ReplyDeleteAwesome finale, it was well balanced between all the characters! So glad Finn and Clarke are far from over, I hope that continues in Season 2! She might have said, she was heartbroken, but she clearly has feelings for him. The writers had a plan for Finn and Clarke this season, and it was nicely developed till the end. Not boring but at a slow pace, the introduction of Raven and the inevitable breakup just a bit too long. They did it exactly the way Bellarke fans are hoping for they might do with Bellamy.
Sassy Raven hopefully survives, she will be great with Bellamy if slowly developed, but she is also fine on her own, because she found her place in the group without Finn. Cannot wait for Finn and Bellamy to save Clarke!
Finn and Clarke are just a slow build up, not boring at all. Raven and Bellamy would never be boring, too. It is not in their characters description. Not everything is boring, just because Bellarke fans don't like it. For some reason the writers choose Finn and Clarke to have feelings for each other and its been rocky but is there on screen no matter how much Bellarke fans complain about it. Setting up now Bellamy with Clarke would just create another love triangle.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you, normally I'm team the good guys and I really tried to like Finn and Clarke together but I found myself looking at some other stuff, doing some other stuff in the earlier episodes 1-5. I was about to quit the show. I was feeling like "meehh" I'm not against this kind of pairings. I watch TVD as well, I liked Stefan Elena in the past I didn't become a shipper and recently I like Stefan Caroline too.
ReplyDeleteFinn and Clarke really don't have chemistry. I tried so hard to see that chemistry but I couldn't. Finn character can't give any feelings. The actor just doesn't get me and his character is not helping as well. Now that I watched 1x12 and 1x13 and saw their scenes it started to give me an awkward feeling and I'm afraid if writers goes with this pairing or this Raven-Clarke-Finn triangle I gonna quit because I don't like to see awkward things on my screen. You may ask what about TVD then, I already quit that show twice but for now I'm just watching it because of Stefan and Caroline and I'm not interested in the pilot at all so I can quit it easily again if they damage Stefan Caroline relationship.
You get me wrong, I didn't say or imply Finn's character is not valuable. I recently wrote Finn's character is important for the show under "thoughts of 1.13" thread. And my post is not threatening, it may seem like it but I'm not threatening anyone. I'm just being honest. I'm a simple viewer. I check out some shows every year a few episodes and decide to watch them or not. When Finn-Clarke dynamic was playing out in the beginning it was really boring and lacking chemistry and no offense to actor but he couldn't sell anything to me and most of the times he still can't. So why would I watch something I don't like? Why would I waste my one hour for something I don't like?
ReplyDeleteThis icing and the cake argument is not valid for me. Would the cake be same without the icing? Would the cake be same with some different icing? If icing is bad would you still love the cake? The cake is something that you eat as a whole. If icing is bad it means the cake is bad too for me and if you call romance is icing on this show and if icing is Finn and Clarke then your icing is bad I don't eat a cake with bad icing on it.
Also when you say "what is more boring than the pairing of the male and female lead characters" you realize that most and almost in every show male and female leads get together right? Because you seem like completely ignoring it. It's same even in the movies. Also when you say it you are completely ignoring Clarke and Finn are main leads too. I get you like and ship flarke but the only thing I can agree to disagree with you is "chemistry" because maybe it's the most subjective thing about pairings.
And when I say I don't like icing it doesn't mean I want Bellamy and Clarke to get together right away or something. I can definitely like the icing as it is if Clarke and Finn doesn't get together or doesn't give me that awkward feeling in every episode. They are completely ruining the mood for me. Means bad icing=bad cake.
I am with you all the way. Finn are is favorite character, and I like Finn and Clarke together, so to me J.R. is doing the romance in the show just fine. Finn's character has been overlooked quite a bit, but the last episodes he has been great and most reviews show that. I hope they continue the relationship they build between Finn and Clarke. If episodes 12 and 13 had aired together, then everybody would have seen her no, wasn't really one. But because of the week in between in gave hope to all the Bellarke fans. Finn and Clarke have a great chemistry to use the words of other fans! To me in terms of character they are a realistic fit. I can relate to Finn, who does express his feelings late and but starts acting under pressure. Better late than never. Who breaks up with his longterm first love within 22 days after meeting a new girl?
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, I like Bellamy, too. Bob M. said Bellamy is not high on romance, and I think he should not be with Clarke if that should change in one of the next seasons. But if so, I like him with Raven, too.
A poll is just a poll, it doesn't reflect the opinion of all the viewers just the ones who have a need to communicate.
I have been a TVD fan (now more Arrow) for years but never engaged in anything, poll, tweeting or writing. Still I am going to watch next October, no matter who Elena is with... or if Stefan and Caroline hook up.
I don't want to ruin anything for you, so I am really short:
ReplyDeleteI like Finn and Clarke together and both actors sold that to me over the whole Season 1 perfectly. Plus, if I like to see Bellamy romantically involved with someone in season 2, it is Raven or maybe Anya. That is just my opinion also as a simple viewer being honest.
Neither - none fit.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean to say that most viewers (about 1 mil and +) of a show are shippers? If yes, then provide the source of your data. If no, then your argument is invalid. Sorry if that last sentence came across harsh.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is more often than not quite a few hardcore shippers tend to get out of control after a while and start harassing the cast, show creators, and writers when it's been determined that their ship will not happen.
I'm not against shipping. I just get annoyed whenever shippers get out of control and start shipping wars. And since this is a fairly new show, and judging by how obsessed some shippers are becoming, it's only a matter of time before one starts.
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