thanks for the preview. Can't wait. love that Finn and Clarke are trying to be the voices of reason I like Bellamy but he needs to calm down and listen them, he doesn't know what they've seen.
It seems to me that these two guys will continue to hostility. Their relationship has not changed much since the first episode. Due to their personalities they see situations differently and react differently to everything. (violence- peace, staying and fight, running and live) Clarke is the one who can strike a balance between them. Although it is sometimes not clear whether Clarke-Bellamy are leading and Finn is the one who disrupts the balance between them with his individual way of seeing. Or Finn-Bellamy and Clark is who countervails. Of course, the whole camp think Bellamy and Clarke are their leader, but when Clarke makes a decision usually decides between Finn and Bellamy. Meeting with the grounders or not; Using guns or not; Murhy is back at camp, kill him or not; Leave or not the camp.
If they had 2-3 days time before the attack I would agree with Finn and try to leave the camp and run. But enemy is out there and they have no time. At this point leaving the camp is a mistake in my opinion. They'll carry supplies, they have a wounded person which will slow them down, they'll go through woods which is grounders' territory, they'll move in the daylight not to mention they'll be easy to seen because they are about 90 people and more likely they'll face an ambush which will scare them off more if they already are not scared enough, that facing the enemy out in the open instead of facing them behind the walls and mines. I don't see this as a fight or run situation. In my opinion leaving there is a more risky move at the moment.
they are still at the camp... the writers keep holding Finn back. There is still more to be said, you don't just stop when someone calls it coward, you counter back with a wise quote from somewhere that also makes sense. I wish Commissioner Reagen was here, he would know exactly what to say at any moment.
The way I see it the balance is not really there, Finn being Peace, Bellamy being Violence, Clarke being both, it makes since that by that ideology she would have the last say, but till now it had been mainly the rulings based on Both or Violence side of things. not much if any decisions based on peace. So there is some lack of balance.
There is a merit to stay at home base and protect yourself, but there is also a merit to leave. And things like Supplies, wounded, woods.are not a reason not to leave. They hardly have supplies, food can be re caught, tents can be re built with nature, and that really isn't the issue as if they were gonna leave camp to go to that other Camp that Lincoln mentioned then they would receive support of structure from them. The woods is a issue they can face with strategy. They also don't have many wounded, and if they did that not an excuse to not leave a danger zone. When hospitals evacuate in impending danger alerts they have to move all those wounded no matter what, same can be done here.
Just saying those shouldn't be the reason to not leave.
Also staying is also ok, but I feel like after learning about the Grounders they should have planned well. Like where is the scouting tower, they haven't climbed a tree yet and built a look out tower. This could of helped them know which direction they were coming from to better defend or to know which direction they should exit the camp from.
Also knowing that Guns could not be their long term weapon of choice they should of adapted to bows and arrows, wooden crosshatch shields and spears. But they haven't yet. I feel like there is a high chance they leave near the end or a third party comes as backup. Or who knows they may pull of a accidental miracle.
They are about 90 people, and no matter how light their supplies are it'll slow them down unlike grounders. They are not adapted to travel in the woods with carries. How many days are they on the ground? 20-25 days I guess. They still spent most of their times in the camp. They didn't properly explore the area, large area. Grounders are there for 80-97 years, they have horses they are trained warriors. 90 untrained people would leave trails when they move in the woods and they can easily to be seen and tracked. Grounders would always move faster then them. And the worst is if grounders get the camp first they can burn it down to the ground so they may have no camp to return to. Grounders are so close to the camp atm, sure Finn and Clarke got there first but grounders are 5-10 hours away at the most. If they stay and fight it will mean fight to death, there is not option like leaving the camp therefore carrying anything. They are either going to win or die in the camp. Staying and leaving are both have pluses and cons but the time period changes my perspective. If they stay they can get killed, if they leave they can get killed. Odds are close but grounders as well so in my opinion leaving the camp atm is a more risky move, one or two days before I would say the opposite. It's a complicated situation but if you want to win something you may need to make the hard decision.
Ya I don't argue the Time issue, it makes sense, The writers probably had the same reasoning behind staying at the camp and fighting. I just believe the reasons mentioned about should not have been excuse not to leave, but time is a good reason.
But logically 90 vs the grounder, the grounders would win, so I really look forward to seeing the episode and see tactfully what will happens, if some of I thought will happen.
If I am not mistaken they are about 76 people -Murhpy - Monty. So it is 74. And there is Raven, who is injured. So they have even less chance against the grounders. But hope dies last.
Atom died, Charlotte died and they lost 14 people in ep 10 so they are now 84 -Monty +Bellamy -Murphy. The thing is we didn't see grounder army, Clarke didn't see grounder army. We can only assume Finn did see but we don't know what Finn saw. The grounders already have a war going on at somewhere else. I don't think they could spare a big army for small group of teens. They don't see them as worthy enemies. I'm expecting 200 or 300 men incoming at most, it won't be an easy battle but the 100 have mines, walls, explosives and guns and they are in defensive stance. So I see there is a chance for winning without any help. And on the other hand because they lost so much time that now even if they try to run I'm very sure they'll still face enemy but in this option they'll face enemy in the open. So if this scenario happens which is most likely considering the past events. because grounders always had the upper hand when the 100 left the camp, grounders would wipe them out in such a short time. Scared people can't fight when they're ambushed, they could try to run, probably back to camp, there is a chance that they can make it back to camp. But I wouldn't take this risky move. So I'm with Bellamy, they need courage and try to win this war first then they should run at the first oppotunity they'll get after the battle.
I think number of the people depends on how you count them. In the episode 7 Bellamy saw 102 marks on Lincoln's book. 10 was crossed out. So that meant 92 people. I think they lost in ep10 14 people, because of the sickness.-Connor, -Myles, -Monty missing, -Murphy running. So that means 74. And I almost forget Dax. 73. But if you calculated that the total death was 14 until ep 10, and -Connor, -Myles, -Monty missing, -Murphy running, -Dax. That means 83 people.
Oh Wells died too. I don't think we can count on Lincoln's marks. So in order 1x03 Atom and Wells died, 1x04 Charlotte died. 1x10 14 people died according to Clarke. 1x12 Myles died, Murphy is on the run. Monty is missing.
They were 101 people when they came. 101 -2 -1 -14 -3 so they are 81 now. I think at the very least 60(I think normally 70) of them can actively fight in a battle and the rest can help with the ammo and some stuff. And it's enough to stand against 200 people when they have granedes, mines, machine guns, shelters and walls.
So they arrived to the Earth: 100+Bellamy 1.01. -2 guy in the dropship died 1.03. -Catrina and -Pascal, -Atom, -Wells died 1.04. -Charlotte died 1.05. +Raven arrived 1.06. -Roma,-John,-Digs died 1.07. the total number 92 1.08. -Dax died 1.10. -14 people, -Connor died 1.11. -Monty missing 1.12. -Myles dead, -Murhpy running Total: 73 people
I totally forgot some people died in action! So you are right but I think we should exclude Raven since she is wounded and if Connor died in 1.10 we need to include one more because at the end of the episode Clarke said 14 graves so I thought it included everyone died in that episode so it makes 73 people can be a part of the battle except Raven and I kind of expect Raven to sacrifice herself to save the 100.
I hope not, I like badass Raven! But the writers said that not everybody live through the attack. Anything could hapen, anyone could die. I hope they will be other members of the 100.
I hope not too, after Bellamy and Clarke she's my third favourite but somebody has to die, otherwise this battle wouldn't mean that much. Raven-Lincoln-Finn are in danger I think, I prefer Finn dead but I think he will be staying with us considering he's the sound of peace.
After what they've seen I know why Clarke and Finn want to run but I also know why Bellamy wants to stay and fight at the camp. Every time they leave the camp someone gets killed or disappears. He thinks they have a better chance behind the walls but he didn't see what Clarke and Finn did so... damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's one of the things I like most about this show. They make it where even as a viewer I can see all sides and honestly don't know what would be the right choice in any of the situations they find themselves having to deal with.
I don't think Finn needs to say anything at this point and time. He will once again be proven right Bellamy is a hot head not a bad person he's just not quick on the "thinking before acting" track Finn on the other hand comes across as very much the thinking before you act, he looks at big picture Bellamy is all about the moment, what to do in that moment you can't really be a true leader until you start looking beyond today he needs to look at the tomorrows I believe Finn will always conflict with him because they think, act and are very different people who handles things in different ways but it doesn't make Finn a coward so Bellamy needs to realize brute isn't strength.
NOTE: Name-calling, personal attacks, spamming, excessive self-promotion, condescending pomposity, general assiness, racism, sexism, any-other-ism, homophobia, acrophobia, and destructive (versus constructive) criticism will get you BANNED from the party.
Cannot wait! And I'm so excited we're getting season two. Just wish we didn't have to wait awhile for it.
ReplyDeletea whole 'nother world of the 100 season 2 great, i'm guessing they're really going to have to leave their home in the season finale
ReplyDeleteHow many parachutes, they gonna need, to prevent him from crashing!!
ReplyDeletethanks for the preview. Can't wait. love that Finn and Clarke are trying to be the voices of reason I like Bellamy but he needs to calm down and listen them, he doesn't know what they've seen.
ReplyDeletethey need some adults on the ground! I hope they make it down.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that these two guys will continue to hostility. Their relationship has not changed much since the first episode. Due to their personalities they see situations differently and react differently to everything. (violence- peace, staying and fight, running and live)
ReplyDeleteClarke is the one who can strike a balance between them. Although it is sometimes not clear whether Clarke-Bellamy are leading and Finn is the one who disrupts the balance between them with his individual way of seeing. Or Finn-Bellamy and Clark is who countervails. Of course, the whole camp think Bellamy and Clarke are their leader, but when Clarke makes a decision usually decides between Finn and Bellamy. Meeting with the grounders or not; Using guns or not; Murhy is back at camp, kill him or not; Leave or not the camp.
If they had 2-3 days time before the attack I would agree with Finn and try to leave the camp and run. But enemy is out there and they have no time. At this point leaving the camp is a mistake in my opinion. They'll carry supplies, they have a wounded person which will slow them down, they'll go through woods which is grounders' territory, they'll move in the daylight not to mention they'll be easy to seen because they are about 90 people and more likely they'll face an ambush which will scare them off more if they already are not scared enough, that facing the enemy out in the open instead of facing them behind the walls and mines. I don't see this as a fight or run situation. In my opinion leaving there is a more risky move at the moment.
ReplyDeletethey are still at the camp...
ReplyDeletethe writers keep holding Finn back. There is still more to be said, you don't just stop when someone calls it coward, you counter back with a wise quote from somewhere that also makes sense. I wish Commissioner Reagen was here, he would know exactly what to say at any moment.
The way I see it the balance is not really there, Finn being Peace, Bellamy being Violence, Clarke being both, it makes since that by that ideology she would have the last say, but till now it had been mainly the rulings based on Both or Violence side of things. not much if any decisions based on peace. So there is some lack of balance.
ReplyDeleteThere is a merit to stay at home base and protect yourself, but there is also a merit to leave. And things like Supplies, wounded, woods.are not a reason not to leave. They hardly have supplies, food can be re caught, tents can be re built with nature, and that really isn't the issue as if they were gonna leave camp to go to that other Camp that Lincoln mentioned then they would receive support of structure from them. The woods is a issue they can face with strategy. They also don't have many wounded, and if they did that not an excuse to not leave a danger zone. When hospitals evacuate in impending danger alerts they have to move all those wounded no matter what, same can be done here.
ReplyDeleteJust saying those shouldn't be the reason to not leave.
Also staying is also ok, but I feel like after learning about the Grounders they should have planned well. Like where is the scouting tower, they haven't climbed a tree yet and built a look out tower. This could of helped them know which direction they were coming from to better defend or to know which direction they should exit the camp from.
Also knowing that Guns could not be their long term weapon of choice they should of adapted to bows and arrows, wooden crosshatch shields and spears. But they haven't yet. I feel like there is a high chance they leave near the end or a third party comes as backup. Or who knows they may pull of a accidental miracle.
They are about 90 people, and no matter how light their supplies are it'll slow them down unlike grounders. They are not adapted to travel in the woods with carries. How many days are they on the ground? 20-25 days I guess. They still spent most of their times in the camp. They didn't properly explore the area, large area. Grounders are there for 80-97 years, they have horses they are trained warriors. 90 untrained people would leave trails when they move in the woods and they can easily to be seen and tracked. Grounders would always move faster then them. And the worst is if grounders get the camp first they can burn it down to the ground so they may have no camp to return to. Grounders are so close to the camp atm, sure Finn and Clarke got there first but grounders are 5-10 hours away at the most. If they stay and fight it will mean fight to death, there is not option like leaving the camp therefore carrying anything. They are either going to win or die in the camp. Staying and leaving are both have pluses and cons but the time period changes my perspective. If they stay they can get killed, if they leave they can get killed. Odds are close but grounders as well so in my opinion leaving the camp atm is a more risky move, one or two days before I would say the opposite. It's a complicated situation but if you want to win something you may need to make the hard decision.
ReplyDeleteYa I don't argue the Time issue, it makes sense, The writers probably had the same reasoning behind staying at the camp and fighting. I just believe the reasons mentioned about should not have been excuse not to leave, but time is a good reason.
ReplyDeleteBut logically 90 vs the grounder, the grounders would win, so I really look forward to seeing the episode and see tactfully what will happens, if some of I thought will happen.
If I am not mistaken they are about 76 people -Murhpy - Monty. So it is 74. And there is Raven, who is injured. So they have even less chance against the grounders. But hope dies last.
ReplyDeleteYes it's true. It's all about survival. They don't have the luxury of peace.
ReplyDeleteAtom died, Charlotte died and they lost 14 people in ep 10 so they are now 84 -Monty +Bellamy -Murphy.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is we didn't see grounder army, Clarke didn't see grounder army. We can only assume Finn did see but we don't know what Finn saw. The grounders already have a war going on at somewhere else. I don't think they could spare a big army for small group of teens. They don't see them as worthy enemies. I'm expecting 200 or 300 men incoming at most, it won't be an easy battle but the 100 have mines, walls, explosives and guns and they are in defensive stance. So I see there is a chance for winning without any help. And on the other hand because they lost so much time that now even if they try to run I'm very sure they'll still face enemy but in this option they'll face enemy in the open. So if this scenario happens which is most likely considering the past events. because grounders always had the upper hand when the 100 left the camp, grounders would wipe them out in such a short time. Scared people can't fight when they're ambushed, they could try to run, probably back to camp, there is a chance that they can make it back to camp. But I wouldn't take this risky move. So I'm with Bellamy, they need courage and try to win this war first then they should run at the first oppotunity they'll get after the battle.
it looks so amazing! i can't belive it's already the season finale.
ReplyDeleteit looks really, really good x3 can't wait to see it!
I think number of the people depends on how you count them.
ReplyDeleteIn the episode 7 Bellamy saw 102 marks on Lincoln's book. 10 was crossed out. So that meant 92 people. I think they lost in ep10 14 people, because of the sickness.-Connor, -Myles, -Monty missing, -Murphy running. So that means 74. And I almost forget Dax. 73.
But if you calculated that the total death was 14 until ep 10, and -Connor, -Myles, -Monty missing, -Murphy running, -Dax. That means 83 people.
Oh Wells died too. I don't think we can count on Lincoln's marks.
ReplyDeleteSo in order
1x03 Atom and Wells died,
1x04 Charlotte died.
1x10 14 people died according to Clarke.
1x12 Myles died, Murphy is on the run. Monty is missing.
They were 101 people when they came. 101 -2 -1 -14 -3 so they are 81 now.
I think at the very least 60(I think normally 70) of them can actively fight in a battle and the rest can help with the ammo and some stuff. And it's enough to stand against 200 people when they have granedes, mines, machine guns, shelters and walls.
So they arrived to the Earth: 100+Bellamy
ReplyDelete1.01. -2 guy in the dropship died
1.03. -Catrina and -Pascal, -Atom, -Wells died
1.04. -Charlotte died
1.05. +Raven arrived
1.06. -Roma,-John,-Digs died
1.07. the total number 92
1.08. -Dax died
1.10. -14 people, -Connor died
1.11. -Monty missing
1.12. -Myles dead, -Murhpy running
Total: 73 people
I totally forgot some people died in action! So you are right but I think we should exclude Raven since she is wounded and if Connor died in 1.10 we need to include one more because at the end of the episode Clarke said 14 graves so I thought it included everyone died in that episode so it makes 73 people can be a part of the battle except Raven and I kind of expect Raven to sacrifice herself to save the 100.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they would kill all of the adult characters. I think the question is not if they make it but who will make it.
ReplyDeleteI hope not, I like badass Raven! But the writers said that not everybody live through the attack. Anything could hapen, anyone could die. I hope they will be other members of the 100.
ReplyDeleteI hope not too, after Bellamy and Clarke she's my third favourite but somebody has to die, otherwise this battle wouldn't mean that much. Raven-Lincoln-Finn are in danger I think, I prefer Finn dead but I think he will be staying with us considering he's the sound of peace.
ReplyDeleteAfter what they've seen I know why Clarke and Finn want to run but I
ReplyDeletealso know why Bellamy wants to stay and fight at the camp. Every time
they leave the camp someone gets killed or disappears. He thinks they
have a better chance behind the walls but he didn't see what Clarke and
Finn did so... damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's one of the
things I like most about this show. They make it where even as a viewer I
can see all sides and honestly don't know what would be the right
choice in any of the situations they find themselves having to deal
with.
I don't think Finn needs to say anything at this point and time. He will once again be proven right Bellamy is a hot head not a bad person he's just not quick on the "thinking before acting" track Finn on the other hand comes across as very much the thinking before you act, he looks at big picture Bellamy is all about the moment, what to do in that moment you can't really be a true leader until you start looking beyond today he needs to look at the tomorrows I believe Finn will always conflict with him because they think, act and are very different people who handles things in different ways but it doesn't make Finn a coward so Bellamy needs to realize brute isn't strength.
ReplyDelete