Very strong start. Liked the way it was filmed. Love that it has flashbacks. Some typical tropes with Barry's family, but it worked well considering. Looking forward to the next episode!
As a man this is hard for me to say, but I think the brother deserved to get his pecker bitten off. They must have some tradition where Royalty our allowed to sleep with other mens wives, like in Braveheart. Apart from that, the lead actor seems like a good choice, he's got the whole serious, pensive expression mastered. Hopefully he'll show some more emotions as the show goes on. I'm looking forward to next week.
Considering the amount of hype that the pilot script received, bidding war between FX and HBO, the pilot is disappointing. The flashback scenes were very good and Ashraf Barhom was compelling as Jamal. A few critics have really taken issue with the casting of Rayner as the lead, and before watching the show I disagreed thinking they were being overly PC, but after actually watching the show I do think it was a huge mistake not to act a Middle Eastern actor in the lead.
I disagree. I think what worked well with Rayner is that he had something quiet, subtle, and not glamorous to him and that until we get to the end of the episode, one can feel his Americana and/or his separation from the way the rest of his family conducts themselves....but when one gets to the end of the episode and we see the final flashback (reminiscent to Sayid Jarah and Mr. Eko I might add), and what his father said, one is left wondering if there is 'a tyrant' in there somewhere or just a good leader? He suddenly goes from a fish out of water to a fish being put back into the pound...
And "if" Amira is Bassam/Barry's mother, then he wouldn't be full Mideastern anyways, as the actress is Caucasian South African, but the character sounded like she had a British accent.
This was better than I expected, but I had thought from previews that there was still something "Homeland" about it and I think it's because producer Howard Gordan really likes looking at this interesting political/cultural situations in contrast to one's family...It even had some 'crazy' woman! XD
I agree, but one of the things I liked about it was the fact that we could kind of see the Jamal in Sammy (he might as well be named Samal) and even though the uncontrollable teenage son is over-used, I thought this was a cliche that worked, because of the question of "what a Tyrant" really is and if "Tyrants" are needed, especially when we're kind of left to guess who Barry really is/could be by the end of the episode. I also liked that his daughter Emma wasn't "stupid" and had some of her father's intuition. It reminded me a bit of Dana and Brody on Homeland, accept that Emma and Barry knew how to keep to themselves. His wife on the other hand, I think is in for a rude awakening, but I hope they develop her character and she surprises us and doesn't act so ignorant all the time...
"he's got the whole serious, pensive expression mastered"
Ah, but that's what makes it work! We don't know what he's thinking or what he's going to do next! But I do hope we see some moments of happiness, but I find leads in shows like this tend to be miserable and struggling for a good chunk of the series!
His wife was the worst part of the episode in my opinion. I don't get how she could be so ignorant and blind to the issues Barry was facing by going home. I wonder if this was intentional and offers commentary on how some Americans view foreign affairs? I get the Sammy being enthralled by the wealth and privilege but I feel as if a grown woman should know better.
Ya for me it was the most disappointing aspect, but I do think it's the idea that some Americans think it's so simple, because we do generally have a lot more social and political freedoms, don't have a country that is in a state of war, and so some might think that things can just be talked out, and don't realize the complexities about changing and dealing with a country and culture that is so different from ours, but I will give them credit for her reaction in some respects, because Barry I think really did keep a a lot to himself and so how can she really understand him?!
On the other hand I felt like they had interesting and stronger female characters with Amira and Jamal's wife. I'm looking forward if they rub off on Barry's wife!
I believe that was the point. An American, big city, family. What concerned me more was her naivite on the Middle East and power. Even if her husband has never revealed anything one can assume it must have been brutal and awful enough that he LEFT! Big hint.
Her trying to Oprah-ize Barry and convince him to "talk about his feelings" to his dad was the low point.
Completely agree and well said. Hopefully, it's a plot point and the character evolves to awareness. But I do find it hard to believe in this modern age, a seemingly educated woman would be clueless.
can anybody who voted poor or awful explain why it was awful or poor? I just watched it and I think it was really good. Great characters, nice actors, really great flashback scenes. One of the best pilots of the year. I dont know why Americans love procedural crap so much, cops, or medical series are the most watched shows on tv, arent they? I thinkk, based on the poor reviews, this show has no future...its a shame.
I thought it was just okay... It has potential but so many characters were so one-dimensional it bothered me.
How naive can the wife be? Seriously! Who does not understand the dangers inherent to the husband's situation? "Now you go tell the brutal dictator that he is a bad man and ruined you"... Ya, right! XD "No we can;t leave without saying goodbye to the family." Seriously? Just ridiculously naive to the point of stupidity.
The trademark rebellious teen will be a son and not a daughter like in Homeland, but he is already wearing on my nerves.
I did enjoy the performances of the leads, even if neither is exactly "likable." I think if they can flesh out the static characters it could be interesting... maybe.
Seems I'm in the minority but I didn't like it at all - I found there was very little redeeming in any of the characters and just not something I want to continue to watch.
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Very strong start. Liked the way it was filmed. Love that it has flashbacks. Some typical tropes with Barry's family, but it worked well considering. Looking forward to the next episode!
ReplyDeleteWow, that turned out way better than I expected. I am really interested in the politics aspect of Abbudin and I can't wait to see more of it in the upcoming episodes with Barry now trying to fix his country after the death of his father and now his brother, Jamal, in the hospital after the car crash. His family was a bit annoying and such a cliché but hopefully they'll get better as the show progresses. And woah at that twist with young Barry at the end. That definitely surprised me. Overall, the show has potentional and I'm looking forward to see more of it next week .
ReplyDeleteAs a man this is hard for me to say, but I think the brother deserved to get his pecker bitten off. They must have some tradition where Royalty our allowed to sleep with other mens wives, like in Braveheart. Apart from that, the lead actor seems like a good choice, he's got the whole serious, pensive expression mastered. Hopefully he'll show some more emotions as the show goes on. I'm looking forward to next week.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the amount of hype that the pilot script received, bidding
ReplyDeletewar between FX and HBO, the pilot is disappointing. The flashback scenes
were very good and Ashraf Barhom was compelling as Jamal. A few
critics have really taken issue with the casting of Rayner as the lead,
and before watching the show I disagreed thinking they were being overly
PC, but after actually watching the show I do think it was a huge
mistake not to act a Middle Eastern actor in the lead.
I disagree. I think what worked well with Rayner is that he had something quiet, subtle, and not glamorous to him and that until we get to the end of the episode, one can feel his Americana and/or his separation from the way the rest of his family conducts themselves....but when one gets to the end of the episode and we see the final flashback (reminiscent to Sayid Jarah and Mr. Eko I might add), and what his father said, one is left wondering if there is 'a tyrant' in there somewhere or just a good leader? He suddenly goes from a fish out of water to a fish being put back into the pound...
ReplyDeleteAnd "if" Amira is Bassam/Barry's mother, then he wouldn't be full Mideastern anyways, as the actress is Caucasian South African, but the character sounded like she had a British accent.
This was better than I expected, but I had thought from previews that there was still something "Homeland" about it and I think it's because producer Howard Gordan really likes looking at this interesting political/cultural situations in contrast to one's family...It even had some 'crazy' woman! XD
"His family was a bit annoying and such a cliché but hopefully they'll get better as the show progresses. And woah at that twist with young Barry at the end. That definitely surprised me."
ReplyDeleteI agree, but one of the things I liked about it was the fact that we could kind of see the Jamal in Sammy (he might as well be named Samal) and even though the uncontrollable teenage son is over-used, I thought this was a cliche that worked, because of the question of "what a Tyrant" really is and if "Tyrants" are needed, especially when we're kind of left to guess who Barry really is/could be by the end of the episode. I also liked that his daughter Emma wasn't "stupid" and had some of her father's intuition. It reminded me a bit of Dana and Brody on Homeland, accept that Emma and Barry knew how to keep to themselves. His wife on the other hand, I think is in for a rude awakening, but I hope they develop her character and she surprises us and doesn't act so ignorant all the time...
"he's got the whole serious, pensive expression mastered"
ReplyDeleteAh, but that's what makes it work! We don't know what he's thinking or what he's going to do next! But I do hope we see some moments of happiness, but I find leads in shows like this tend to be miserable and struggling for a good chunk of the series!
His wife was the worst part of the episode in my opinion. I don't get how she could be so ignorant and blind to the issues Barry was facing by going home. I wonder if this was intentional and offers commentary on how some Americans view foreign affairs? I get the Sammy being enthralled by the wealth and privilege but I feel as if a grown woman should know better.
ReplyDeleteYa for me it was the most disappointing aspect, but I do think it's the idea that some Americans think it's so simple, because we do generally have a lot more social and political freedoms, don't have a country that is in a state of war, and so some might think that things can just be talked out, and don't realize the complexities about changing and dealing with a country and culture that is so different from ours, but I will give them credit for her reaction in some respects, because Barry I think really did keep a a lot to himself and so how can she really understand him?!
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand I felt like they had interesting and stronger female characters with Amira and Jamal's wife. I'm looking forward if they rub off on Barry's wife!
Yeah, they should have cast Jordana Spiro as the wife instead of that woman that looks like she's had plastic surgery she's so LA looking.
ReplyDeleteI believe that was the point. An American, big city, family. What concerned me more was her naivite on the Middle East and power. Even if her husband has never revealed anything one can assume it must have been brutal and awful enough that he LEFT! Big hint.
ReplyDeleteHer trying to Oprah-ize Barry and convince him to "talk about his feelings" to his dad was the low point.
I cringed.
Completely agree and well said. Hopefully, it's a plot point and the character evolves to awareness. But I do find it hard to believe in this modern age, a seemingly educated woman would be clueless.
ReplyDeleteWe'll see where the story goes.
can anybody who voted poor or awful explain why it was awful or poor? I just watched it and I think it was really good. Great characters, nice actors, really great flashback scenes. One of the best pilots of the year. I dont know why Americans love procedural crap so much, cops, or medical series are the most watched shows on tv, arent they? I thinkk, based on the poor reviews, this show has no future...its a shame.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was just okay...
ReplyDeleteIt has potential but so many characters were so one-dimensional it bothered me.
How naive can the wife be? Seriously!
Who does not understand the dangers inherent to the husband's situation?
"Now you go tell the brutal dictator that he is a bad man and ruined you"... Ya, right! XD
"No we can;t leave without saying goodbye to the family." Seriously?
Just ridiculously naive to the point of stupidity.
The trademark rebellious teen will be a son and not a daughter like in Homeland, but he is already wearing on my nerves.
I did enjoy the performances of the leads, even if neither is exactly "likable."
I think if they can flesh out the static characters it could be interesting... maybe.
Betcha...Barry turns out to be the Tyrant.
ReplyDeleteI thought this was a great Pilot episode. I think it is going to be a great season also based on the Promos/Trailers I've seen.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how some people thought it was "Awful" or "Poor". Would like to know what made those people choose that.
Or that the show will redefine what a Tyrant is...
ReplyDeleteSeems I'm in the minority but I didn't like it at all - I found there was very little redeeming in any of the characters and just not something I want to continue to watch.
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