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POLL: Favorite Scene from Teen Wolf - The Dark Moon

Jun 25, 2014

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Teen Wolf season 4 premiered last night with a big twist right from the start. As always, these polls will have between 10-13 scenes to choose from including an Other choice and you can pick 1. Be sure to comment on your choice because discussion is always more fun that way. Don't forget to check out the following links as well:

Teen Wolf in Best Episode contest (ends between 10-11 am CST on Wednesday)
What Did You Think of Dark Moon poll (never ends)
Season Promo (also includes Jeff Davis interview)
Next Episode Promo










Shameless Plug - I will be posting a recap of this episode later in the week on both my blog and SpoilerTV and I co-host a Teen Wolf podcast for Southgate Media. I also live tweet Teen Wolf each week under @dahne1 so if you live tweet as well, give me a shout out and I'll add you to my Teen Wolf Twitter list. We have a blast talking about the episode together.


About the Author - Dahne
One part teacher librarian - one part avid TV fan, Dahne is a contributing writer for SpoilerTV, where she recaps, reviews, and creates polls for Sleepy Hollow, Arrow, White Collar, Grimm, Teen Wolf, and others. She's addicted to Twitter, live tweets a multitude of shows each week, and co-hosts the Warehouse 13 "Endless Wonder", Sleepy Hollow "Headless," and Teen Wolf "Welcome to Beacon Hills" podcasts for Southgate Media Group. Currently she writes a Last Week in TV column for her blog and SpoilerTV. ~ "I speak TV."
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95 comments:

  1. My prediction is that the big twist at the end is going to be the big winner, but for me I loved malia's complete inappropriateness and Stiles' insistence that it was progress, Scott roaring the skeleton into submission, and the females kicking butt the best.

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  2. Yeah, I'll take that final scene, too. However, it occurs to me that they seem to need to rescue Derek at least one time every season. Is Derek turning into the Laurel Lance of Teen Wolf?

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  3. I voted for teen Derek. I actually wish they would stick with teen Derek, even though I love Tyler so much. I think it would be refreshing to have teen Derek all season. But Jeff Davis said it's just for an ep or so.

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  4. Malia telling Stiles that she'd never leave without him

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  5. I would say Malia telling Kira and Lydia that she would leave them in a heartbeat. Malia makes me laugh.

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  6. I think Derek is too much the punching bag to be Laurel, but in all fairness I haven't seen all of season 2 yet.

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  7. My favorite scene was the opening when Stiles said to Araya what make you think we came alone and they show Malia Kira and Scott with their eyes glowing

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  8. That and Derek is more likeable.

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  9. I would miss Tyler too much and quite frankly I wasn't a big fan of the Visionary episode. I'm happy Derek is returning sooner rather than later. I wonder who is gong to find the magic key to fix him though.

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  10. Scotts roar ! So awesome.

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  11. Stiles grew some more attitude since DarkStiles was killed. I liked how nonchalant both he and Lydia were staring down Mama Fratelli.

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  12. I think you should, then. The best season so far, in my opinion.

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  13. That might be my favorite Scott moment since he hugged Stiles in the MRI room and told him that he would make things right. It was oh so alpha of him.

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  14. It's on the list along with Supernatural and Person of Interest. All of which have to come after Buffy season 2.

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  15. Malia's definitely funnier than Diana Meade

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  16. it wasnt a skeleton actually. It was a berserker. They have been talking about them since season 1, and over the hiatus they mentioned how kate has berserkers obeying her every command.

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  17. Honestly I've been waiting for him to do something alpha-like for a while, he's alpha abilities have been down played for the most part.. It's good to see that they finally remembered he is an alpha.

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  18. Buffy season 2? thats when the series starts getting really really good.

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  19. in certain interviews with both shelley and davis, this was explained that coyote's mate for life. so when she and stiles fell in love, she would die before leaving him. and amongst coyotes, they may hunt in packs but they prefer to eat alone. Also its survival of the fittest amongst coyote's as well.

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  20. It's my absolute favorite Buffy season and one of the best seasons of TV I have ever watched. We're getting ready to start the Buffy Roundtable up again but this time it is going to be a podcast. If you love Buffy and you have Skype, you're invited to join.

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  21. i have always theorized that because allison was his anchor to his humanity, she made his humanity alot stronger than his wolf. so when she died, he essentially truly had to accept what he was. It looks like he has fully embraced the wolf within, and his roar reflects that, because it sounds alot different. plus he made the earth shake.

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  22. That works but for me it looks like a skeleton so that's what I am going with for now. I figured berserkers were headed our way after that completely anvilicious jail cell chat Argent had with Derek. Nothing like can't miss, glowing neon lights foreshadowing there.

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  23. I relaize that but to be honest, the situation is a whole lot more funny if I don't overanalyze it. I just like that Malia is the Sheldon of Teen Wolf right now.

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  24. So true. Diana was the best character but she didn't exactly lighten the mood very often. I'm glad Hennig gets to play a totally different role here.

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  25. As long as they don't go back to that true alpha thing, I would like to see Scott come a little more into his own this season.

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  26. They don't call her a Daytime Emmy nominee for nothing (suddenly reminiscing a scene in Shelley's earlier show where she was in a wedding dress trying to win her man back after her betrayal was exposed).

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  27. I do like how they've handled it so far, in that Scott isn't some werewolf messiah or incredibly powerful but rather just a very moral person who triumphs due to his ability to work with others, unwillingness to give up and because of his sheer love for his friends and family.

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  28. Didn't know that. To be honest, the only thing I know about the Daytime Emmys is that Jensen Ackles from Supernatural was nominated 3 times.

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  29. My biggest fear was that they were going the Chosen One route with Scott, which never does any character any favors. I was very happy that after the huge build up of 3A, they tempered off in 3B. I like Scott as learning to grow into his powers instead of like you said, some kind of werewolf superhero. In that respect, Teen Wolf has handled things very well. I hope they continue in this vein, where Scott still has to rely on everyone instead of becoming one big plot device of a character. I also want to see his powers grow organically instead of being a Matrix-download like they did with Kira. That was ridiculous.

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  30. It's always surprising when the best actors on primetime got their start on daytime when they are still at their most raw.

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  31. Well, no analogy is ever perfect. I'd really like for Derek and Scott to actually kick some supernatural butt every once in a while, instead of being kicked all of the time :)

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  32. I would like to see his powers grow as well (I particularly enjoy his use of the Alpha roar), but yeah I'm happy that so far Scott isn't all powerful but rather succeeds because he's not alone.The Kira didn't really bug me personally because she's a born Kitsune in that she naturally has combat skills because of her Kitsune ancestors and their spirits (like the ones her mother channeled to summon the Nogitsune) like a kind of collective unconscious pool of information similar to how the human mind was believed to hold archetypes in the form of characters, images and themes collectively by Carl Jung. So that's why it doesn't really bug me (well that and I watch Grimm and have seen Avatar: The Last Airbender, which also makes me wonder if the Avatar State inspired Kira getting her powers since Jeff Davis is a fan of the show). So that kind of spiritual memory I just find cool not only as an idea, but also as a way to quickly acclimate characters into a show without needing to go through a year of training (that being said it only works on Supernatural shows involving things like Spirits, or so Arrow better be believable in its approach to Laurel becoming Black Canary). But I do believe she did progress and didn't just start off badass she grew a lot into them, which helps. Sorry if i rambled.

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  33. Yeah I'd like that. But I do hope that although Scott gets stronger that he succeeds because of his pack like how the show is approaching it now.

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  34. Added some HQ cast shots to the SpoilerTV Photo Archive...

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  35. Thanks. I like the middle picture better.

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  36. I hearty amen to that. I'd settle for them to make someone else their punching bag instead of Derek at this time. Derek and Scott working together victoriously is a pipe dream of mine. :-)

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  37. Absolutely. The second Scott is the only one who can save them is the moment the show should jsut quit. This series works because it is truly a team effort.

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  38. It is amazing how many of them do start in soaps. I remember watching Ming-Na Wen from SHIELD on As the World Turns when I was a kid. That woman never ages.

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  39. I saw a clip of Juliane Moore when she was in ATWT, and she was sooo bad at acting at the time. Nice that she did get better in the long-run.

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  40. This may seem very shallow, but I really liked the Malia and Kira dance scene…

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  41. I was laughing so hard. Kira has about as much rhythm as I do. And then the cast dancing on Wolf Watch? No, just no.

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  42. ha! I remember her then too. My babysitter used to watch As the World Turns and Guiding Light so I kind of grew up with it until I went to college and then I stopped watching all soaps.

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  43. I actually saw her more as a shapeshifter version of POI's Shaw :)

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  44. That is perfect. That's exactly who she is.

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  45. Ramble on. It leads to great discussion. Plus it makes me feel better about rambling myself. I find Kira's instant powers a huge plot device and worse a disservice to the story line. I think they had the opportunity for bonding between the females through training. I would have loved to see Allison teaching Kira some fighting skills and perhaps Argent helping as well. They short cut the process and weakened the character in my eyes. I have never liked when characters are instantly all powerful and while they have made Kira stumble a little, they have also turned her into an instant superhero which seems unrealistic at best even in a supernatural show and Mary Sue-ish at worst. A bloodline is no substitute for good storytelling and that was one of the biggest story fail of all of Teen Wolf for me. Superheroes should have to earn it just like everyone else. It felt like they needed an instant replacement for Allison and so they waved their magic story pen and poof, there she popped out fully formed. It discredits their integrity as storytellers. Now I don't hate Kira but I hate what they did to her and I hate how they shortchanged a great character arc even more.

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  46. Ming-Na wen and Bianca Lawson Buffys Kendra dont really age even JLo looks oddly the same way she did years ago. Genes Dahne genes.

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  47. It was so funny Malia expression at Kira dancing was gold . Malia really mad me laugh . Talking about eating Lydia and leaving Kira and Lydia behind was also funny.

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  48. Its a great opportunity for Shelley l loved Diana in secret circle but this shows she can play someone else. Malias funnier than Diana ever was and so blunt it makes her fun.

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  49. I wish i had those great genes. :-P

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  50. I cannot wait until Malia and Coach have more scenes together. Can you imagine? I'm going to be laughing so hard it will be hard to breathe.

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  51. We really need someone to make gifs of the cast reaction every time Malia says something horribly inappropriate. It was hilarious. I have no horse in the Stiles/Malia vs. Stiles/Lydia war. I ship Stiles/his Jeep more than anything, but I hope beyond hope that Malia never changes. She's phenomenal as she is.

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  52. Hey, I just thought of who else she reminds me of. Malia is the Anya of Teen Wolf. A supernatural creature who gets tossed in the middle of an already set team who has little understanding of social mores and even less patience with niceties. I loved Anya on Buffy. I love Malia right now.

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  53. Fair enough. I'm happy with it though, would training have been cool? Yeah. But if it was with anyone I feel it should've been with Kira's mom given she's an Kitsune, understands Kira's powers and knows how to fight with a Katana and other weaponry that would've made Kira a unique fighter, (plus she's 900 years old and can out fight a Nogitsune) instead of say just picking up archery from Allison. or gun skills from Chris. (Also I really hate it when Supernatural characters use guns) Plus it could've been cool to see mother and daughter bond over their heritage and would give a chance to really delve into their relationship. But I'm good, because while it would've been cool, I feel it could've really taken away from the nice momentum the show was building at the point, and remove the spotlight from Stiles/ Dylan O'Brien who was fantastic that season. Which is partially why I believe the writers and Davis wrote Kira's abilities like that, well that and because of the season's episode number being 12. But I get why it would be problematic, because let's face it if say Arrow pulled that with Laurel everyone would be freaking out myself included due to the removal of such an acts from reality. I do have to disagree with Kira being Allison's replacement though because yes while she's Scott's new love interest, fundamentally as a character she's different. Kira is awkward around the other main characters for much of season 3B, supernatural and shy. Allison is more composed around Scott, other teenagers (all of which I say because they're both new when they're introduced), can be quite bold at times (particularly regarding her feelings towards people) and of course human. While both have to live up too and deal with family legacies each is different given Allison literally has to choose between her friends and family and goes down a dark path under Gerard's wing and undergoes a redemptive path, whereas Kira although opposed to her Mother's methods of dealing with an Nogitsune, she never actually has to take sides and instead has to clean up her Mother's summoning and inability to stop the Nogitsune. An arc you could argue as being similar as she helps redeem her family's mistakes like Allison's but is overall different due to Allison's dark turn and path to vengeance or her mom against Derek being the cause of why she must redeem herself. But I'd have to say character wise she seems very different to Allison, and while she is replacing Allison as Scott's love interest, their relationship even before Allison's death was the opposite as it was slow and awkward, unlike the very fast one of Scott and Allison. So that's my take. Sorry if it's incoherent.

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  54. That is a cool theory. Especially since he is his own anchor now.

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  55. I agree with Mama Fox being part of the training regimen and not just with Kira. Personally I think all of the key players should have been through a training boot camp already headed by Derek for hand to hand, Argent for strategic thinking and guns, Mama Fox in martial arts and self-defense, Allison in archery, and Deaton in herbs and lore. They could also take a few classes in police work (or avoiding police) from Sheriff and emergency training from Mama McCall. It is ridiculous that Lydia is always in danger and yet still has no idea how to protect herself except to scream. As ridiculous as no one in Beacon Hills knowing basic first aid apparently. They should all have the basic skills they need to fight and then maybe they wouldn't always get their butts kicked. They wouldn't even have to show the training a lot. Malia has been trained a lot by Scott based on the references Stiles made this episode and we still only saw about 30 seconds of it. Oh and by the way, I disagree about guns too. I have a hard time from a logical standpoint understanding why supernatural creatures do not use them more often. Let's face it, the Slayer would have been a whole lot easier for Spike to kill if he had taken a gun to the battle. It raises the stakes a lot.


    As for Allison and Kira, yes their personalities are very different but their roles are essentially the same. It's not just that they have the same annoying tendency to play Scott's girlfriend as their primary role and both have the power to halt all momentum in an episode with one stuttering, sappy speech. (I swear that's the most irksome superpower of all.) They are also both the token kick butt female of the group. Granted Malia is now that too but Kira is Scott's go to female warrior adn I don't expect that to change anytime soon. As far as Allison's redemptive path, I wouldn't be surprised if they go that way with Kira too. It's just too early. After all, Allison started as the pure as snow heroine as well. Give it time and I would expect that all of them will be on one redemption crusade or another. That seems to be the go-to character arc for all genre shows.

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  56. I find it funny that Stiles is obviously Malia's anchor right now.

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  57. I actually really like that. Mainly because it'll allow us to see more of Malia's humanity and help develop her character. Plus it allows for some really funny scenes Also I just have to say good for Stiles.

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  58. Malia's rapidly rising up my favorite characters ladder. Generally I am all for character development but to be honest, I want Malia to stay her adorably inappropriate self. She's too funny to lose right now. Unintentional snark is a whole lot of fun and I have a feeling this season is going to need all the splashes of humor it can get.

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  59. Teen Wolf bootcamp would be awesome. Especially just seeing how Stiles would handle it. At the same time though, I don't really want Stiles or Lydia to be trained, because I like how they're the thinkers, the ones who plan, strategize and use their intelligence not powers. Guns I don't like because they're wolves and Kitsunes, and I want to see them be Wolves. Guns would take away the opportunity for actions scenes, and really the physicality, tension and odds in a fight. Hand to hand and medical though yeah they should try, but it appears they probably won't have time with the deadpool.

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  60. I feel the same way, I love her interactions with everyone right now. I'd actually really like flashbacks dealing with Sties instructing Malia on social interaction and friendship.

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  61. they need to make a love connection between the jeep and the impala.

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  62. I can't decide. What keeps floating to the top for me is Malia kissing Stiles to help her concentrate. I loved this scene so much because, especially after last season I want Stiles to be happy. And it made me smile to see that. I picked Other so that I could mention some honorable mention. I loved everything about the ruins. The crew did such a fabulous job on the shot of Derek with vines attached to his skin (the lighting and make up job made it work really well for me.) Ditto the animated skeletons and Scott's alpha roar (he is getting better at that. :-)

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  63. While that was one of my favourites, the bit where he reveals he brought an Alpha was better (well, in my opinion, doesn't have to be your opinion)

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  64. Absolutely! And Michael's Charger from Burn Notice can hook them up.

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  65. You're right! THAT is the perfect fit...Anya, the demon with Asperger Syndrome :-) I can't believe I didn't think of her! She's one of my favorite Buffy characters. The similarity is so close that it has to be intentional...

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  66. A "boot camp" with a structured curriculum like that sounds a litte too much like Hogwarts or like Charmed's Magic School to me. My preference would have been to have them stumble onto the supernatural past of the previous Beacon Hills generation on their own and then pester the survivors of that generation (Deaton, Allison's dad and Kira's mom) into revealing more and more of their secrets.
    By the way, Allison did receive actual training...first from Kate and then from her father (in seasons 1 and 2) and Derek did try to train the werewolves that he himself had turned in season 2. However, Scott never participated in this training because he had decided not to subjugate himself to Derek ("You may be an Alpha, but you're not my Alpha!")

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  67. Scott does but Derek gets beat up 99% of the time it's like you can count how many times he's won a fight on maybe 3 fingers.

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  68. Some people hate her for that but that just don't understand why she doesn't really have a filter or what she's been though she was a coyote for most of her life so she wouldn't know the right things to do or say most of the time and it does make the scenes funny so I don't mind.

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  69. Yep, that was my favorite part of the episode. Not a scene, but Stiles attitude.

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  70. To be honest, some people hate her because she's not Lydia or Derek and she's got Stiles' attention. I actually like her more now than I did in 3B. No one who can make me laugh that hard in serious moments can be a bad character. I don't care if she ends up with anyone or not, I just don't want her to change.

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  71. The premiere made both Lydia and Stiles seem more grown up, Stiles more than Lydia. I think that is important because after all these two have dealt with, they have to change, get more hardened. I hope that we will see some follow through to how Stiles is dealing with the things he did as DarkStiles. I think Dylan O'Brien would do an outstanding job with it.

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  72. That was a classic line and so well delivered. I preferred that one myself. Of course then they had to cheese the whole thing up by showing the 3 supernaturals staring straight into the camera.

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  73. Me too. It would be fun to see this progress Stiles keeps claiming she's making.

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  74. The ruins were some fine set work for sure. They did a great job creating mood there. I like the juxtaposition of the vines and cobwebs with the intricate design of the seal. Oh and you don't have to pick Other to tell us your honorable mentions. :-) I love hearing about all your thoughts on the show.

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  75. For clarity, I like Lydia AND Malia equally and I don't care one iota which one if either ends up with Stiles. As for Malia, I like her because she makes every scene she is in fun. Her inappropriate comments make me laugh like no one else except for Coach. I find her matter of fact way of speaking refreshing and she never gives up on getting the answers she wants, which is something more of the characters need to do. You cannot ignore Malia if you wanted to and that makes her a great character to me. In many ways she's a lot like Anya from Buffy or Fiona from Burn Notice. She doesn't let society dictate her actions or words, even though I expect they will tone her down a lot as the season progresses to my dismay. Malia is unlike any other character on the show and I respect Jeff Davis a lot for writing a distinct female character...or at least for now.


    Of the females, they one I like least if Kira. Most of that actually comes from her instant download of ninja skills instead of earning it through hard work. I liked her character far more before they plot deviced her. In this episode, she was my least favorite character for that tediously awkward goodbye to Scott alone. That's the kind of momentum stopping garbage I was hoping to avoid after Allison's death. Instead they just transfered many of Allison's good and bad traits onto Kira. If they saddle her mostly with just a relationship with Scott and do not concentrate on her as a character and her interactions with non-Scott characters, then it will be a waste of a great concept character and will mean that Jeff Davis learned nothing from the problems he created with Allison's role in the story.

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  76. I totally get your point with Kira, it's true she does seem like a "copy" of Alison in many ways, I do hope this will get resolved soon.
    I really liked Anya on Buffy so that comparison definitely endears Malia to me. I guess maybe I'm still stuck on the way she was introduced in the previous season, it seemed a bit shoddy to me, like there were scenes that ended up on the cutting room floor and that would have made this plot a lot better if they were in the episodes. And the worst to me was their make-out/sex scene at the asylum, where did that come from? It was so bizarre that this happened so quickly, especially in a season that blurred a lot of plot lines.
    I'm not particularly in favor of Stiles ending up with Lydia romantically, I think they work great as friends. They do have a chemistry but it's a friends' chemistry to a romantic one, at least to my mind.

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  77. The dynamic beteen Stiles and Malia was one of my favourite things "believe me guys, this is progress", I hope they keep it up cause it's not only brilliant it's also a pretty logical approach.

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  78. I liked Malia a whole lot better in this episode than I did last year. It didn't bother me so much that they had sex last year as that they had unprotected sex in a mental asylum basement. There's one to tell the kids about. I agree that everything about Malia last year seemed tacked on and rushed as if they had to meet a quota of episodes to put her in and therefore haphazardly put her wherever. Here's hoping there is more cohesiveness this season. For me teh most whatever moment was actually when tehy made her Peter's daughter. What the heck was that, Maury Povitch?


    I too have loved Lydia and Stiles together as friends and the brains of the operation. I think they play off each other's strengths well and I really hope to see that more often. I expect we will eventually see them together romantically but I'd prefer they work on developing Lydia's character into one more self-possessed and confident in what she brings to the table instead. She needs to grow as a leader and really become a main character instead of being shafted off to the side a few episodes at a time.

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  79. I get that. When your brain finds something logically wrong in an episode and it sort of eats at you. Luckily I've gotten really good at suspending disbelief for certain instances (mostly if I enjoy a movie or show), so that doesn't happen as much on Teen Wolf or other Supernatural shows now. Instead I usually notice cliches and foreshadowing and tropes. I like Kira's outlook, since it's not jaded like say Derek, but so far she seems to acknowledge the danger and pain of being a part of Scott's pack but has maintained a level of optimism and trust similar to Scott. Agreed on the character making a mistake, it's an overused arc and I do hope that Kira doesn't succumb to it.

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  80. :-) Thanks. And this season I'm making it a goal to pick ONE favorite scene per episode in your polls. :-D Now more whining about checkboxes.

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  81. oooh, so you're going to pick one when the choice gets inevitably harder. I look forward to it.

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  82. I hadn't even considered that possibility. That will be hysterical.

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  83. We probably aren't really in disagreement. It's just that, for your concept to work, the kids would first have to truly accept that they do constitute an "army against evil" and I haven't yet seen enough evidence that they have. Until the end of season 3A, most of them were actually more or less in denial ("I just want to be a normal teenager!"). That's why I think that they first need to learn more of their heritage, before they slip into the role you envision for them. I.e., they need to first get Mama Fox and Chris Argent and Deacon to talk, more than they need anything else.

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  84. I agree. All good leaders have the help of experts in their field, and while Derek is no expert by any means, he is the closest thing for Scott in alpha terms. It was a smart decision and one I hope Scott will continue to make.

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  85. I hope we learn how much the parents know about their kids' adventures. I worked out the time table to be around Spring Break so it may be that they all said they were going on vacation. I know my parents would not let me vacation out of the country with no parents in my Junior year, but who knows. I'm not sure if we will see much more of Malia's father but I hope we do. He was ShifterDracula in Supernatural and I adore that episode.

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  86. Personally I am now campaigning for their to be a series of webisodes consisting of Malia and Coach standing in the school hallway mocking the kids of Beacon Hills High. I think it would be a riot.

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  87. I feel like after the events of 3B, no one thinks they are a normal teen or that their life is necessarily going to go down that route anymore. To be honest I feel that for the most part they were there by the end of season 2 and all the stuff with Lydia and Jackson.

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  88. bouncy bouncy bouncy!!!! I hope your campaign is actually getting to ears able to do that cause it would be perfect. And be a great addition to the dvd set (they didn't put the webisodes from season one on the DVDs did they?) I would love to have that on a dvd set (long as I don't have to lose the shirtless clip reel :-D )

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  89. Ha! I totally see that happening with Lydia. My guess is her mom is on Spring Break in another country with some boy toy and doesn't even realize she's gone. I still don't think that Melissa and Sheriff would just shrug it off and be okay with their kids going to do something dangerous in a foreign country without at least oneof them there. My guess is they don't know the whole story. After all, people on Teen Wolf love their secrets even when sharing that info would be better for all.

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  90. Ha! I don't actually remember the bonus features on the DVD since I never watch them. Forgive me, but I didn't even know there was a shirtless reel. That alone could take up an hour. :-)

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  91. I didn't mean to imply Melissa and the Sheriff would 'shrug it off' but they would be aware of where their children are..and though worried...trust them. I just think that Scott and Stiles didn't disappear without a word. They talked to their parents first because of the relationship they each have with their parents.

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