The CW's long-running drama has promoted Mark Sheppard to the main cast for season 10, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. Sheppard joins series regulars Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki and Misha Collins.
Great news! Hopefully this means Dean will be a demon for a little longer than a couple of episodes! Can't wait to see Crowley being Deans mentor. (I'm assuming that is what's going to happen).
Knew this was coming if they could work it out with Mark, great news, they won't just have Dean be a demon for a handful of eps... I hope. Curious to see if Dean's gonna be with Crowley constantly and be separated from Sam for a while, especially since 10x05 is the 200th ep.
Good. He'll be raising hell. Literally. Just please, enough with the broter drama. I can't stand Sam trying to reach Dean's humanity and bla bla bla. I wonder how it'll be Dean and Castiel chemistry now.
What don't you like about it? If it was permanent I wouldn't like it, but I don't think it is. I'm just excited to see Dean have FUN again. Even if he's taking fun doing stuff that he shouldn't be doing.
I hate everything about it. Dean losing his humanity (which was always one of the rocks of the show that I loved), becoming his worst nightmare, becoming a villain, Sam and Dean separated for a while. He probably won't care for Sam, which is something that I never thought I would see and frankly have zero interest in seeing.
I can't be happy seeing Dean "having fun" as a demon either because if/when he goes back to normal he'll feel extremely guilty and hate himself even more, if that was possible. So no. Definitely not looking forward to any of it.
I understand that some like it. It's your right. I'm just not one of them. I never wanted Dean to change and definitely not becoming a demon or villain of any kind, so I'm very, very upset about it. :(
Assuming that Crowley will be the Big Bad for next season (even after side-kick DemonDean is cured), this isn't unexpected at all. Crowley's ride through the show is quite entertaining.
I don't see him as becoming a villain. I am hoping they have him try to cling onto what he was before. Cain managed to stop and so hopefully Dean will before he starts. Certainly do not want to see him doing evil things, but I think if they do it right and have him struggling to stop from doing wrong it will be Ok.
Well, that's SPN well and truly over. The brotherly bond between Sam and DEean has been consigned to history . It was wonderful while it lasted. Now it's the Casrtiel and Crowley show with side-kicks Sam and Dean. :(
Now that you disprove...I am sure they made the right move. I never agree with you and your perspective--LOL. Quite an overreaction--It's clearly still the brother show but with regular SUPPORTING characters. Only the J's will be in every show and only the J's as usual will have the story revolve around them.
NO, it's the supporting characters show, with two minutes of the brothers thrown in just to pretend they are stil important. The story hasn't revolved around the brothers since Carver took over but I'm sure you and many other will enjoy it just the same!
To me that is an extremely silly response and just plain inaccurate. The J's are clearly the stars of the show. Supporting regulars don't change that. Not even close.
I feel as if The CW is finally putting some more trust in "The Little Show That Could". The VFX looks stunning as of late when looking at the past two seasons and now season ten will have four main cast members. Season three had four main cast members to, but I just feel like Supernatural is just now getting the attention it should from The Powers That Be.
Agreed! Crowley is the King of Hell, but he is LOADS o fun! Especially whilst he was a Human Blood Addict! I couldn't stop laughing at the Big ol Boss o Hell! His human side coming out, his emotional bouts, even his fondness for Moose n Squirrel.
Dean will be a demon for a while, but that will change, as it always has. Doesn't matter which brother it is that goes all DarkSide, it will always be fixed..... that's not to say there won't be repercussions or fall out.
Will be interesting to see the pairing dynamics changed up...
I know I'm probably in the minority: but I do like to watch the baddies being Bad.... Even if it is our: Lovable Brothers Innocently Sweet Angel Pappa Winchester
The J' s are certainly the stars of the show and paid accordingly, but Sam and Dean are NOT. They are wallpaper now, with other characters forever taking precedence over them, especially where Sam is concerned, but I'm sure that works great for certain fans!
I'll take it as good news and I won't 'worry about what it means story wise for now... All I know is that I always enjoy every second that man is in screen.
I'm only looking forward to it because it will change dynamics for a while - Sam will be trying to save Dean and Sam and Cas will have time to work together on that while Crowley works with Dean trying to introduce him to the demon world.
I'm not looking forward to Dean being a villain, especially not when afterwards he'll have a bunch of guilt (though he feels guilty about pretty much everything since he always blames himself).
But if I don't have to deal with the brothers arguing over girls and friendly monsters, it's a decent deal.
A breathe of fresh air for once. I feel the last few seasons have been wash, rinse, repeat.
I like Mark S. and I like Crowley. That being said, this seemingly cements that Dean's going to be a demon for quite a while and that depresses me. Because that probably means that Dean and Crowley are going to be off cruising around together in one direction and then we'll have Sam and Cas cruising off in another direction. I like it when our boys are together, not split up.
YES! SOO MUCH YES! Now all they need is a character driven episode then all is right with the Supernatual world. Just praying that there aren't any crazy ass Dean/Crowley shippers in this already crazy ass fandom and if there are, shoot me now!
I don't like them being split up either, but with all the arguing over friendly monsters, bad decisions, and girls I think this is something the brothers need - a change in dynamics in the show.
Daemon!Dean is a great idea. But I don't want to see it "He totally forgets his bros." and just instantly knows he has to hang out with daemon dudes, because reasons. In terms make this new premise plausible, writers.
Because since Carver took over, it HAS been Winchester-lite, especially Sam-lite. He clearly doesn't want to write for them, so if I want to root for the brothers getting their show back, and becoming the important characters once again, I will!
I watch because hope springs eternal, and I long for SPN to go back to the great show it once was, gritty dark, scary but with genuine humorous moments thrown in, not this dull soap opera Carver has turned it into.
Then I don't understand why people read and comment on my posts if they don't like them. I don't go bothering other posters when I don't agree with them, and I don't agree with many of them!
I can't be happy seeing Dean "having fun" as a demon either because if/when he goes back to normal he'll feel extremely guilty and hate himself even more, if that was possible. So no. Definitely not looking forward to any of it http://bit.ly/newsfaud
That's the whole point, isn't it? Good supernatural drama, not soup, not flowers and tears but good human and not so human relationships, especially between two siblings, their friends, enemies and etc. Finding humanity in humans, monsters, demons and angels is a wonderful grey thing to watch, not just hunting things and family buisness. Hope 10th will show good portion of both - action of the day and solid drama.
Saying with pure sarcasm. that's assuming demon Dean will be a villain, and doing baaaadddd things. With humanized Crowley (absolutely love Mark/Crowley's being upped to a series regular, though!) they'll liable to team up helping old people cross streets and get kittens out of trees ;) ;)
Oh for Chuck sake! You had 5 seasons of brotherly bond! That show ended with swan song, get over it and let us enjoy new characters. Besides, you still have Dean and Sam, we just have to hope that Sam deciding to summon Crowley for a deal was the end of Sammy's butchering by the writers. Now that it's clear that Sammy cares for Dean as much as Dean does, I hope the show can move on.
Yes, the show made it absolutely clear that Cain and the other KoH's had an evil Reign of Terror until Cain fell in love with Colette and turned against and killed all the Knight's except Abaddon.
I might be alone in this but if they wrote the story right this is what I'd want to see: Demon Dean switch allegiance working completely with Crowley as a Knight of Hell. I want to see him in a role of pure evilness. About half way through the season, have him betray Crowley and replace him as the King of Hell. Dean be the big bad for the entire season. Dean and Crowley for awhile vs Sam and Castiel.
And yet I hope for good funny moments. Crowly's junkie soul was so hilarious! "Good buddy comedy" - laughing to tears! Considering DD won't be just an odinary deamon: free will, no control, brotherly feelings won't go away (cain's didn't), so think and hope the fun stuff won't go away either. Though you are absolutely right, the turn itself is very tragic - resurrect as something so hateful (by both brothers equally) and yet ultimatly to accept into the family by both (at least for a bit of time)... God! How long to wait! )))
This is exactly what I want to see. It forces the writers to completely rethink the formula of the show. This could either be well done or written terribly but at least it's a little more fresh of an idea then we have gotten lately. Bring on the season of Evil Dean!
And hopefully eventually, Dean becomes the new King of Hell and forces Crowley to become his sidekick. Maybe half way through the season. Would be glorious!
Unfortunately the show will never be that good again. Ever! It's a sad fate that even I'm still struggling with. Also and I could be wrong but with both Jarad and Jensen having larger families, it is possible that they sometimes ask for lesser screen time and less difficult scenes. That's what I'm guessing anyways. Might not entirely be Carver's fault though yes he's doing a terrible job as showrunner.
No no no no and more no. I like Crowley but he is always a big bad. Just nope! I want a Dean and Crowley partnership with Dean overthrowing Crowley as the new King of Hell. Dean needs to be the villain of the season or else the demon Dean plot was for nothing.
Yup if written well this could be epic but that's a big IF. I want to see a truly ruthless demon Dean. Dean also needs to eventually get promoted from a Knight of Hell to the King of Hell with all of Hell's minions in tow.
The brotherly bond ended at the end of season seven, not season five. x If you don't like Sam and Dean and enjoy new characters why do you not watch another show then, where you'll find all the new characters you need. SPN is the story of the Winchester brothers and of no-one else. x Sam has cared for Dean since the day he was old enough to understand, so we didn't need Carver to point out the obvious. As for the show moving on, I hope not, what it should do is go back to the origins.
I agree with you that the show has gone downhill with Carver. x I don't know if this rumour about Ackles andnd Padalecki wanting more time off is true or not, but I'm sure they must still be expected to contribute an adequate amount of days to each episode. I can't imagine TPTB paying them over a hundred thousand dollars an episode for ten minutes on screen. x Then they say it's not the quantity that matters but the quality. If Carver gave the brothers some decent dialogue and a good logical story-line perhaps the reduced time they spend in an episode would be less noticable.
No thanks that would just be rip off of Sam' s Boy King /Leader of the Demon Army sl. Sam's mytharc does exist and it deserves to be left with some meaning .
I have to agree with you, Spn is now a shadow of what it used to be. Sam and Dean , and specially Sam has disappeared, has no purpose. At least Dean has a storyline and I bet we will still have the point of view of Dean as a demon, but not from Sam (only 1 mintute in the season premier and the season final). Unless Cass and others angels that I don't care about, I love Crowley and demons and I am happy Mark becomes a regular but I am very worried that it means Dean and Crowley in one side while Sam is even more forgotten on the other side. I want Sam and Dean together on the screen, they are the heart of the show and them separated for too long it is not enjoyable. I am totally torn, I like my demons very bad ass, don't care about spineless demons, demons with a crush (meg 2), with feeling (addicted crowley, the king of hell is so much funnier than what we got this season) so if Dean has to be a demon, he should be all the way and not a half demon. But it means, when cured, he will be very depressed and I hate depressed Dean, I like him fun and kicking ass. Season 10 could be very good or even more awful than season 9 if that's possible. One thing we can be sure is that Dean will be a demon for a while because in Carver's eye, Sam is not very clever and unable to do something right. I don't even want to thing about the fact that angels are still around.
I mean, i like the "Finding humanity in humans, monsters, demons and angels" thing, I just don't like that is a reason for everything. I ant Dean as a Demons like for the whole season or even more, don't want just a couple of episodes where Sam don't give up on Dean and gets his humanity back.
I do not dislike Sam. Not at all. I men Dean and Castiel relationship, of course. Think about it. Dean is a demon now, Castiel is a Angel, what more can a person want for some very head-shaking drama?
Wow, so you had 7 years. Aren't you happy? I love Crowley and cas to much to go back to the "monster of the week" routine.
I love Sam and Dean, but a show based on only 2 characters can't go so far.
I hope they find a way to calibrate the story. Maybe the next year they won't lose all that time on pointless villains (5 villains this season!5! -metatron, gadreel, abaddon, barthwho e malachiwhatever- sig) and we can have more dean&sammy time.
She's not wrong. She's entitled to her opinion. If she feels they are the guest stars in their own show - and I happen to agree w/her - that's her right. You can agree to disagree.
I actually wouldn't mind seen the brothers separated. But it would only work of they eliminate MOTW episodes, which I highly doubt they will. You can't really have Sam working on a case with vampires and then cut to Dean doing demon stuff. It would get jarring after a while.
But my biggest problem is what you mentioned. I believe Dean would then feel too guilty and he already hates himself enough as it is. I don't want to see that. Plus Dean had always remained the only character who hadn't been possessed or changed in any way and it's sad to see that go.
Jensen is a great actor and I am excited he gets to show his bad side, I think we well all be pulling for Dean to curve his bad tendencies, but I bet he will make us love him bad or not. Here is want I would love to see happen I want a Sam and Dean face off, but when it gets bad I want John Winchester or Bobby to step in and save one of the boys. Preferably John because he was the one that was supposed to start the Apocalypse ( the righteous man in hell). Anyway I will follow were the writers leave but they can feel free to expand on my idea.
Dont want dean to go evil. Want him to go on rampage but against demons and monsters. Cain had no one when he turned into a demon but then colette loved him and he stopped. Dean still.has sam and cass who love and care for him. Hopefully they will be able to keep him from harming humans as they try to cure him. Crowley would also want him cured to stop him killing demons.
you are right and it really hurts right now the writers stop caring about Sam and I hate what they done too him and what they done too Dean too the heart and the soul is out of this show and now its heartless and soulless I am just tired of it and its sad really because I do love the show but Carver turn it into hate buy what he is doing right now I still love Jared and Jensen and will still watch for them.
But it does not change the fact that was who he was meant to be whether the show went there or not. It is still a Sam sl that would be adapted for Dean. You can create a mytharc for him without raiding Sam's.
yes it will be good change for a while to see the change of pairing dynamics.... i mean lately sam and dean have only been fighting.... and of course dean will get back his humanity... but i hope season 10 gives some good episodes coz season 9 has been a bit boring... i m going to miss happy - go - lucky dean though.... dean s demony eyes look real scary!!! it ll be very interesting to see whether dean goes completely to the dark side or is there any humanity still left in him.... as for the evil side , crowley is my favourite demon so far.... now even more with his humanity showing every now and then... but all said and done i do want to see sam and dean working together as brothers again... coz no matter what , happens at the end of the day they are brothers and they will choose each other over anybody else... waiting for season 10 to start...
I doubt Crowley will be his mentor. Dean is actually quite powerful now that he's been reborn. The fact that he killed Abaddon confirms this and the more powerful being he slays the more he becomes empowered. At this point he's probably more powerful than Crowley since Crowley couldn't get rid of Abaddon himself. Most likely Dean won't know who he is at the point of turning into a demon and Crowley will use this to his advantage and use Dean for his own purposes. The Mark currently is what is fueling Dean so I guess next season will be trying to restore his humanity whilst trying to stop Hunters from killing Dean.
I would agree with you more except for the fact (agreeing with Isle) that it's been more evident that except for S4 (and maybe even equal to S4) it's JP's screen time/overall S9 presence that has been radically reduced and not JA's "overall". And with Mark being upped to Regular (whom I adore as Crowley as much as I dislike Castiel), I fear only JP's screen time will take even further reduction.
One thing we can be sure is that Dean will be a demon for a while because in Carver's eye, Sam is not very clever and unable to do something right.
I agree with most of your post, In particular this season Andrew Dabb is the only writer who remembers that Sam is intelligent. And I in addition I reiterate that it's JP who has taken a bit hit in S9 screen time wise relative to JA.
My best spec is that Demon Dean will be caught and cured in mid season finale; and the rest of the season hunting down Crowley. But I don't realistically think that will happen and Demon Dean may be with 'us' the whole season and maybe the series with the brothers mostly separated.
I only speculate that DD will be 'cured' sometime in 'the future'; I vaguely recall an interview where Carver/Singer/an actor? said that 'something important in S8 will be brought again in the (vague?) future' and many, including me, jumped to the 'cure a demon' ritual and took this 'spoiler' as strong foreshadowing that it would be needed.
Dean mostly with Crowley is a near certainty (with Dean being in every episode and Crowley being in however many episodes the show needs Mark for) and Sam & ? ?? Cas in the 'recurring character' that's been marginally teamed with Sam the most whereas Dean has more association with the other recurring to date. I don't see 'those' dynamics changing much in S10.
Will show introduce new hunters (or use recurring characters like HunterCop Jodi, LycanGarth, Charlie&Dorothy, the Ghostfacers?) to help Sam track Dean? Will Sam for the most part only be substatially "in" the Cas episodes, with less than 1 minute appearances in the rest of S10 episodes? How will the show handle solely "MOTW" episodes unless DD convinces Crowley that it's 'Fun to Hunt and Save Lives?'
I do get it; all subsets of the online fandom want different things and the writers can't hope to satisfy 'all of us '.
If DemonDean hangs around through midseason or all season (and I am just speculating that it will take at least this long to 'cure' DD) I want DD doing 'really bad demon things' - things that the character 'needs to redeemed for' - like Sam and like Cas have (equally grumbles about the angel storyline not be over and done with). No 'Demon with a Heart of Gold' stuff. For all I know DD will beg Crowley to take him to Sam to be cured in 10.01 rather than 'howling at the moon'. (I know - why would show promote Mark to series regular if that's what hapens in S10.01.
Got you. Me too wanna him to have a good and solid story of his new status, not just a couple episodes, for sure, but at the same time I do not wanna see him changed into a new character completely, I want S and D to have jusy bro drama either :)
It's funny how Cas or Crowley, some others beings, liked Dean but not so much Sam at first, in the beginning reaching out to him more. Now Cas is quite close to Sam, they do constantly screw up and it makes them feel exactly for each other mistakes. Now the balance will change I hope; will be a good shift for a change cause no one is perfect and Dean shouldn't be too. It's Sams time to see his brother and his pain / burden. As fo Dean he should start to accept himself, not as a demon but as a person who does have worth for the world, his family, his friends and enemies. Demon should be good for him, on a road of recovery.
Agree with both of you. Dean will be a wild card as Cain for sure cause he was reborn as a demon not turned due to suffering and stuff in hell. Guess it's one of the reasons why Crowley was quite apologetic telling the story of Cain. Actually I can quite consider him as a pure force, turned by Lucy himself as he was the one to create the Mark which in it's turn Dean inherited.
It's funny how each of them (Cas and Crowley, some others beings) liked Dean but not so much Sam at first, reaching out to him more. Now Cas is quite close to Sam, they do constantly screw up and it makes them feel exactly for each other mistakes. Now the balance will change I hope; will be a good shift for a change cause no one is perfect and Dean shouldn't be too. It's Sam's time to see his brother and his pain / burden. As for Dean he should start to accept himself, not as a demon (of course not) but as a person who does have worth for the world, his family, his friends and enemies.
I actually wouldn't mind seen the brothers separated. But it would only work of they eliminate MOTW episodes, which I highly doubt they will. You can't really have Sam working on a case with vampires and then cut to Dean doing demon stuff. It would get jarring after a while.
That's one of my major problems with entirely separating the brothers for multiple episodes at time, for potentially the entire season, perhaps only have them cross paths once in while to 'glower at/try and a fail to catch' the other - how to handle the pure filler/MOTW episodes, unless S10 entirely concentrates on the 'two mytharcs', restoring Heaven and dealing with Cas's waning grace and 'catching/curing Demon Dean. I suppose it's possible.
I'm not as concerned as some are about Dean's 'theoretical post -cure depression' - both brothers still carry tons of emotional baggage that they haven't dealt with satisfactorily; I'm sure Demon Dean will get a 'major redemption arc' or series of mini-redemption arcs.
She's wrong clearly and when you post publicly, you can be answered. The way the internet works. When so clearly wrong, it's easy. Clearly the boys are in every show and the story is about and revolves around them. Doesn't hurt to have supporting characters do things too. Just silly to get all dramatic and deny the reality of the show.
She thinks that the boys are being overshadowed in the show by guest/recurring stars. Guess what? She's entitled to feel that way. You can disagree. Neither of you are wrong b/c it's all subjective.
That's all I have to say. I'm not going to fight w/you about an OPINION, so you won't hear from me again. Happy posting!
What I think will happen is that Sam won't know for a while that Dean is a demon, Crowley will make him believe he made a deal and brought back Dean while Dean may work for Crowley behind Sam's back. They can't do mythology episodes all season so they need to find a way to do stand alone episodes.
See I'm leaning toward Crowley and Demon Dean just taking off as of the ending of S9/beginning S10. Sam wondering why Crowley didn't appear and then wondering where the heck Dean's body went and putting 2 + 2 together. But your theory has an equal or greater chance of being right.
Honestly, the fact that Sam would be paired with Cas is good for two reasons - he's guaranteed decent screentime and they've needed to convince me for years that Sam and Cas have any kind of relationship, let alone a FRIENDship. Even if the scenes weren't that exciting, it was kinda nice to see those two working together in the last few eps.
Yeah, I'm guessing Dean becoming a demon is semi-permanent. Turning him back to human (if that's the plan) would probably be a season-long arc rather than just the opening episodes.
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Whoa, didn't expect that one! But that's awesome.
ReplyDeleteGreat news, he's amazing.
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ReplyDeleteWell , it was about time.
ReplyDeleteGreat news! Hopefully this means Dean will be a demon for a little longer than a couple of episodes! Can't wait to see Crowley being Deans mentor. (I'm assuming that is what's going to happen).
ReplyDeletegreat news :D. Really like Crowley
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ReplyDeleteKnew this was coming if they could work it out with Mark, great news, they won't just have Dean be a demon for a handful of eps... I hope. Curious to see if Dean's gonna be with Crowley constantly and be separated from Sam for a while, especially since 10x05 is the 200th ep.
ReplyDeleteAbout time!
ReplyDeletedean and crowley teaming up and kicking ass,never thought i would see the day.Go Supernatural!! best creative decision ever made!!
ReplyDeleteDidn't see that coming, though probably should have. That'd mean Dean will stay that way for a long time.
ReplyDeleteI love Mark Sheppard so I'm happy but I hope they he a good storyline for him.
That would be awesome!
ReplyDeleteI love Mark, but still hate the idea of Demon!Dean. I'm still crushed over it. :'(
ReplyDeleteGood. He'll be raising hell. Literally.
ReplyDeleteJust please, enough with the broter drama. I can't stand Sam trying to reach Dean's humanity and bla bla bla. I wonder how it'll be Dean and Castiel chemistry now.
What don't you like about it? If it was permanent I wouldn't like it, but I don't think it is. I'm just excited to see Dean have FUN again. Even if he's taking fun doing stuff that he shouldn't be doing.
ReplyDeleteIn-tah-rest-ing... Is this the first time Mark Sheppard has ever been a regular on a show?
ReplyDeleteI hate everything about it. Dean losing his humanity (which was always one of the rocks of the show that I loved), becoming his worst nightmare, becoming a villain, Sam and Dean separated for a while. He probably won't care for Sam, which is something that I never thought I would see and frankly have zero interest in seeing.
ReplyDeleteI can't be happy seeing Dean "having fun" as a demon either because if/when he goes back to normal he'll feel extremely guilty and hate himself even more, if that was possible. So no. Definitely not looking forward to any of it.
Good points actually. But the way I see it at least it's something different.
ReplyDeleteI understand that some like it. It's your right. I'm just not one of them. I never wanted Dean to change and definitely not becoming a demon or villain of any kind, so I'm very, very upset about it. :(
ReplyDeleteAssuming that Crowley will be the Big Bad for next season (even after side-kick DemonDean is cured), this isn't unexpected at all. Crowley's ride through the show is quite entertaining.
ReplyDeleteI don't see him as becoming a villain. I am hoping they have him try to cling onto what he was before. Cain managed to stop and so hopefully Dean will before he starts.
ReplyDeleteCertainly do not want to see him doing evil things, but I think if they do it right and have him struggling to stop from doing wrong it will be Ok.
Well, that's SPN well and truly over. The brotherly bond between Sam and DEean has been consigned to history .
ReplyDeleteIt was wonderful while it lasted.
Now it's the Casrtiel and Crowley show with side-kicks Sam and Dean. :(
Now that you disprove...I am sure they made the right move. I never agree with you and your perspective--LOL. Quite an overreaction--It's clearly still the brother show but with regular SUPPORTING characters. Only the J's will be in every show and only the J's as usual will have the story revolve around them.
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ReplyDeleteNO, it's the supporting characters show, with two minutes of the brothers thrown in just to pretend they are stil important.
ReplyDeleteThe story hasn't revolved around the brothers since Carver took over but I'm sure you and many other will enjoy it just the same!
To me that is an extremely silly response and just plain inaccurate. The J's are clearly the stars of the show. Supporting regulars don't change that. Not even close.
ReplyDeleteI feel as if The CW is finally putting some more trust in "The Little Show That Could". The VFX looks stunning as of late when looking at the past two seasons and now season ten will have four main cast members. Season three had four main cast members to, but I just feel like Supernatural is just now getting the attention it should from The Powers That Be.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! Crowley is the King of Hell, but he is LOADS o fun! Especially whilst he was a Human Blood Addict! I couldn't stop laughing at the Big ol Boss o Hell! His human side coming out, his emotional bouts, even his fondness for Moose n Squirrel.
ReplyDeleteDean will be a demon for a while, but that will change, as it always has. Doesn't matter which brother it is that goes all DarkSide, it will always be fixed..... that's not to say there won't be repercussions or fall out.
Will be interesting to see the pairing dynamics changed up...
I know I'm probably in the minority: but I do like to watch the baddies being Bad.... Even if it is
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Congrats Mr. Sheppard!
The J' s are certainly the stars of the show and paid accordingly, but Sam and Dean are NOT.
ReplyDeleteThey are wallpaper now, with other characters forever taking precedence over them, especially where Sam is concerned, but I'm sure that works great for certain fans!
I'm not surprised with Dean having become a demon. Crowley's probably going to keep him close.
ReplyDeleteSAUSAGE FEST!!!! But it's about time he's been there since season 5 http://bit.ly/1m1UDt7
ReplyDeleteWhat can I say--you are wrong...everything revolves around the bros. But obviously you aren't going to change your mind.
ReplyDeleteI'll take it as good news and I won't 'worry about what it means story wise for now... All I know is that I always enjoy every second that man is in screen.
ReplyDeleteI'm only looking forward to it because it will change dynamics for a while - Sam will be trying to save Dean and Sam and Cas will have time to work together on that while Crowley works with Dean trying to introduce him to the demon world.
ReplyDeleteI'm not looking forward to Dean being a villain, especially not when afterwards he'll have a bunch of guilt (though he feels guilty about pretty much everything since he always blames himself).
But if I don't have to deal with the brothers arguing over girls and friendly monsters, it's a decent deal.
A breathe of fresh air for once. I feel the last few seasons have been wash, rinse, repeat.
I like Mark S. and I like Crowley. That being said, this seemingly cements that Dean's going to be a demon for quite a while and that depresses me. Because that probably means that Dean and Crowley are going to be off cruising around together in one direction and then we'll have Sam and Cas cruising off in another direction. I like it when our boys are together, not split up.
ReplyDeleteYES! SOO MUCH YES! Now all they need is a character driven episode then all is right with the Supernatual world. Just praying that there aren't any crazy ass Dean/Crowley shippers in this already crazy ass fandom and if there are, shoot me now!
ReplyDeleteThere are already shippers out there. They'll probably grow stronger now. I'm not looking forward to that either but oh well.
ReplyDeleteI don't like them being split up either, but with all the arguing over friendly monsters, bad decisions, and girls I think this is something the brothers need - a change in dynamics in the show.
ReplyDeleteAgian you SPECULATE without having seen ANYTHING beforehand, yet you do it everytime a piece of casting news comes out so why am I not surprised.
ReplyDeleteI have to ask this, why are you even watching the show if you believe all your claims that it'll be Winchester-Lite?
Daemon!Dean is a great idea. But I don't want to see it "He totally forgets his bros." and just instantly knows he has to hang out with daemon dudes, because reasons. In terms make this new premise plausible, writers.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but Cain had years. We don't know how he became right after coming back as a demon.
ReplyDeleteI don't know... I just hate it. I hope he won't be a villain either, but I don't like Carver's direction at all.
Because since Carver took over, it HAS been Winchester-lite, especially Sam-lite.
ReplyDeleteHe clearly doesn't want to write for them, so if I want to root for the brothers getting their show back, and becoming the important characters once again, I will!
I watch because hope springs eternal, and I long for SPN to go back to the great show it once was, gritty dark, scary but with genuine humorous moments thrown in, not this dull soap opera Carver has turned it into.
Then I don't understand why people read and comment on my posts if they don't like them.
I don't go bothering other posters when I don't agree with them, and I don't agree with many of them!
Now I have lost all faith LOL!
ReplyDeleteSuper cool news, been waiting, finally good baddy is regular.
ReplyDeleteI can't be happy seeing Dean "having fun" as a demon either because if/when he goes back to normal he'll feel extremely guilty and hate himself even more, if that was possible. So no. Definitely not looking forward to any of it http://bit.ly/newsfaud
ReplyDeleteyay, love him!!
ReplyDeleteSpoken like a true Sam disliker and a DC pompom waver/supporter - unless you meant Dean and Crowley and not Dean and Castiel.
ReplyDeleteThat's the whole point, isn't it? Good supernatural drama, not soup, not flowers and tears but good human and not so human relationships, especially between two siblings, their friends, enemies and etc. Finding humanity in humans, monsters, demons and angels is a wonderful grey thing to watch, not just hunting things and family buisness. Hope 10th will show good portion of both - action of the day and solid drama.
ReplyDeleteYes!
ReplyDeleteSaying with pure sarcasm. that's assuming demon Dean will be a villain, and doing baaaadddd things. With humanized Crowley (absolutely love Mark/Crowley's being upped to a series regular, though!) they'll liable to team up helping old people cross streets and get kittens out of trees ;) ;)
ReplyDeleteOh for Chuck sake! You had 5 seasons of brotherly bond! That show ended with swan song, get over it and let us enjoy new characters. Besides, you still have Dean and Sam, we just have to hope that Sam deciding to summon Crowley for a deal was the end of Sammy's butchering by the writers. Now that it's clear that Sammy cares for Dean as much as Dean does, I hope the show can move on.
ReplyDeleteYes, the show made it absolutely clear that Cain and the other KoH's had an evil Reign of Terror until Cain fell in love with Colette and turned against and killed all the Knight's except Abaddon.
ReplyDeleteI might be alone in this but if they wrote the story right this is what I'd want to see: Demon Dean switch allegiance working completely with Crowley as a Knight of Hell. I want to see him in a role of pure evilness. About half way through the season, have him betray Crowley and replace him as the King of Hell. Dean be the big bad for the entire season. Dean and Crowley for awhile vs Sam and Castiel.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet I hope for good funny moments. Crowly's junkie soul was so hilarious! "Good buddy comedy" - laughing to tears! Considering DD won't be just an odinary deamon: free will, no control, brotherly feelings won't go away (cain's didn't), so think and hope the fun stuff won't go away either. Though you are absolutely right, the turn itself is very tragic - resurrect as something so hateful (by both brothers equally) and yet ultimatly to accept into the family by both (at least for a bit of time)... God! How long to wait! )))
ReplyDeleteAwesome! To me Sheppard was already a regular... I think over the years Crowley
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly what I want to see. It forces the writers to completely rethink the formula of the show. This could either be well done or written terribly but at least it's a little more fresh of an idea then we have gotten lately. Bring on the season of Evil Dean!
ReplyDeleteAnd hopefully eventually, Dean becomes the new King of Hell and forces Crowley to become his sidekick. Maybe half way through the season. Would be glorious!
ReplyDeleteThat's great news!
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately the show will never be that good again. Ever! It's a sad fate that even I'm still struggling with. Also and I could be wrong but with both Jarad and Jensen having larger families, it is possible that they sometimes ask for lesser screen time and less difficult scenes. That's what I'm guessing anyways. Might not entirely be Carver's fault though yes he's doing a terrible job as showrunner.
ReplyDeleteNo no no no and more no. I like Crowley but he is always a big bad. Just nope! I want a Dean and Crowley partnership with Dean overthrowing Crowley as the new King of Hell. Dean needs to be the villain of the season or else the demon Dean plot was for nothing.
ReplyDeleteYup if written well this could be epic but that's a big IF. I want to see a truly ruthless demon Dean. Dean also needs to eventually get promoted from a Knight of Hell to the King of Hell with all of Hell's minions in tow.
ReplyDeleteIt's going to be great... and then the mentor will overthrow the teacher! :D
ReplyDeleteThe brotherly bond ended at the end of season seven, not season five.
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If you don't like Sam and Dean and enjoy new characters why do you not watch another show then, where you'll find all the new characters you need.
SPN is the story of the Winchester brothers and of no-one else.
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Sam has cared for Dean since the day he was old enough to understand, so we didn't need Carver to point out the obvious.
As for the show moving on, I hope not, what it should do is go back to the origins.
I agree with you that the show has gone downhill with Carver.
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I don't know if this rumour about Ackles andnd Padalecki wanting more time off is true or not, but I'm sure they must still be expected to contribute an adequate amount of days to each episode.
I can't imagine TPTB paying them over a hundred thousand dollars an episode for ten minutes on screen.
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Then they say it's not the quantity that matters but the quality.
If Carver gave the brothers some decent dialogue and a good logical story-line perhaps the reduced time they spend in an episode would be less noticable.
No thanks that would just be rip off of Sam' s Boy King /Leader of the Demon Army sl. Sam's mytharc does exist and it deserves to be left with some meaning .
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with you, Spn is now a shadow of what it used to be. Sam and Dean , and specially Sam has disappeared, has no purpose. At least Dean has a storyline and I bet we will still have the point of view of Dean as a demon, but not from Sam (only 1 mintute in the season premier and the season final).
ReplyDeleteUnless Cass and others angels that I don't care about, I love Crowley and demons and I am happy Mark becomes a regular but I am very worried that it means Dean and Crowley in one side while Sam is even more forgotten on the other side. I want Sam and Dean together on the screen, they are the heart of the show and them separated for too long it is not enjoyable.
I am totally torn, I like my demons very bad ass, don't care about spineless demons, demons with a crush (meg 2), with feeling (addicted crowley, the king of hell is so much funnier than what we got this season) so if Dean has to be a demon, he should be all the way and not a half demon. But it means, when cured, he will be very depressed and I hate depressed Dean, I like him fun and kicking ass.
Season 10 could be very good or even more awful than season 9 if that's possible.
One thing we can be sure is that Dean will be a demon for a while because in Carver's eye, Sam is not very clever and unable to do something right.
I don't even want to thing about the fact that angels are still around.
I mean, i like the "Finding humanity in humans, monsters, demons and angels" thing, I just don't like that is a reason for everything. I ant Dean as a Demons like for the whole season or even more, don't want just a couple of episodes where Sam don't give up on Dean and gets his humanity back.
ReplyDeleteI do not dislike Sam. Not at all. I men Dean and Castiel relationship, of course. Think about it. Dean is a demon now, Castiel is a Angel, what more can a person want for some very head-shaking drama?
ReplyDeleteNow announce a Crowley spin-off and you'll have me happy Supernatural :)
ReplyDeleteWow, so you had 7 years. Aren't you happy? I love Crowley and cas to much to go back to the "monster of the week" routine.
ReplyDeleteI love Sam and Dean, but a show based on only 2 characters can't go so far.
I hope they find a way to calibrate the story. Maybe the next year they won't lose all that time on pointless villains (5 villains this season!5! -metatron, gadreel, abaddon, barthwho e malachiwhatever- sig) and we can have more dean&sammy time.
And what exactly do YOU think should happen? Not exactly a lot of "fresh" ideas that can be had with this plot but it doesn't mean it can't be fun.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural: Cooking with Crowley
ReplyDeleteDon't give up! Ignore!
ReplyDeleteShe's not wrong. She's entitled to her opinion. If she feels they are the guest stars in their own show - and I happen to agree w/her - that's her right. You can agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteI actually wouldn't mind seen the brothers separated. But it would only work of they eliminate MOTW episodes, which I highly doubt they will. You can't really have Sam working on a case with vampires and then cut to Dean doing demon stuff. It would get jarring after a while.
ReplyDeleteBut my biggest problem is what you mentioned. I believe Dean would then feel too guilty and he already hates himself enough as it is. I don't want to see that. Plus Dean had always remained the only character who hadn't been possessed or changed in any way and it's sad to see that go.
Amazing! Love him and love the hint that Dean and Crowley are going to be Demon buddies. That would be thrilling to watch.
ReplyDeleteI simply love super natural http://goo.gl/2Zo3Re
ReplyDeleteJensen is a great actor and I am excited he gets to show his bad side, I think we well all be pulling for Dean to curve his bad tendencies, but I bet he will make us love him bad or not. Here is want I would love to see happen I want a Sam and Dean face off, but when it gets bad I want John Winchester or Bobby to step in and save one of the boys. Preferably John because he was the one that was supposed to start the Apocalypse ( the righteous man in hell). Anyway I will follow were the writers leave but they can feel free to expand on my idea.
ReplyDeleteI don't give a hoot about Castiel - I dislike the angel storyline. I love Crowley though.
ReplyDeleteDont want dean to go evil. Want him to go on rampage but against demons and monsters. Cain had no one when he turned into a demon but then colette loved him and he stopped. Dean still.has sam and cass who love and care for him. Hopefully they will be able to keep him from harming humans as they try to cure him. Crowley would also want him cured to stop him killing demons.
ReplyDeleteit was bound to happen LOL, this guy's been on the show since season 5
ReplyDeleteI think you maybe right this time
ReplyDeleteyou are right and it really hurts right now the writers stop caring about Sam and I hate what they done too him and what they done too Dean too the heart and the soul is out of this show and now its heartless and soulless I am just tired of it and its sad really because I do love the show but Carver turn it into hate buy what he is doing right now I still love Jared and Jensen and will still watch for them.
ReplyDeleteThat whole story was about Sam NOT becoming any type of leader in Hell.
ReplyDeleteI do not care what they do as long has they do not undermine Sam's mytharc to give to him.
ReplyDeleteBut it does not change the fact that was who he was meant to be whether the show went there or not. It is still a Sam sl that would be adapted for Dean. You can create a mytharc for him without raiding Sam's.
ReplyDeleteCas barely appeared more as a regular than he did as a guest star. I have a feeling not much will change with Crowley as a regular.
ReplyDeleteTo me that's like saying Sam took Dean's story because he went to Hell. i think both brothers have had deep ties to Hell for their entire lives.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling it will still mostly be Dean and Sam together. I think he will hide it from Sam for a while that he's a demon.
ReplyDeleteyes it will be good change for a while to see the change of pairing dynamics.... i mean lately sam and dean have only been fighting.... and of course dean will get back his humanity... but i hope season 10 gives some good episodes coz season 9 has been a bit boring... i m going to miss happy - go - lucky dean though.... dean s demony eyes look real scary!!! it ll be very interesting to see whether dean goes completely to the dark side or is there any humanity still left in him.... as for the evil side , crowley is my favourite demon so far.... now even more with his humanity showing every now and then... but all said and done i do want to see sam and dean working together as brothers again... coz no matter what , happens at the end of the day they are brothers and they will choose each other over anybody else... waiting for season 10 to start...
ReplyDeleteMaybe they have suddenly realised that their 9 year old show does better than practically all their other shows except for Arrow!
ReplyDeleteI doubt Crowley will be his mentor. Dean is actually quite powerful now that he's been reborn. The fact that he killed Abaddon confirms this and the more powerful being he slays the more he becomes empowered. At this point he's probably more powerful than Crowley since Crowley couldn't get rid of Abaddon himself. Most likely Dean won't know who he is at the point of turning into a demon and Crowley will use this to his advantage and use Dean for his own purposes. The Mark currently is what is fueling Dean so I guess next season will be trying to restore his humanity whilst trying to stop Hunters from killing Dean.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to see him turn evil for a couple of episodes, but not for an entire season.
ReplyDeleteI like the idea of hunters being involved in this. They've barely been a part of the show in recent seasons.
ReplyDeleteI would agree with you more except for the fact (agreeing with Isle) that it's been more evident that except for S4 (and maybe even equal to S4) it's JP's screen time/overall S9 presence that has been radically reduced and not JA's "overall". And with Mark being upped to Regular (whom I adore as Crowley as much as I dislike Castiel), I fear only JP's screen time will take even further reduction.
ReplyDeleteOne thing we can be sure is that Dean will be a demon for a while
ReplyDeletebecause in Carver's eye, Sam is not very clever and unable to do
something right.
I agree with most of your post, In particular this season Andrew Dabb is the only writer who remembers that Sam is intelligent. And I in addition I reiterate that it's JP who has taken a bit hit in S9 screen time wise relative to JA.
My best spec is that Demon Dean will be caught and cured in mid season finale; and the rest of the season hunting down Crowley. But I don't realistically think that will happen and Demon Dean may be with 'us' the whole season and maybe the series with the brothers mostly separated.
I only speculate that DD will be 'cured' sometime in 'the future'; I vaguely recall an interview where Carver/Singer/an actor? said that 'something important in S8 will be brought again in the (vague?) future' and many, including me, jumped to the 'cure a demon' ritual and took this 'spoiler' as strong foreshadowing that it would be needed.
Dean mostly with Crowley is a near certainty (with Dean being in every episode and Crowley being in however many episodes the show needs Mark for) and Sam & ? ??
Cas in the 'recurring character' that's been marginally teamed with Sam the most whereas Dean has more association with the other recurring to date. I don't see 'those' dynamics changing much in S10.
Will show introduce new hunters (or use recurring characters like HunterCop Jodi, LycanGarth, Charlie&Dorothy, the Ghostfacers?) to help Sam track Dean? Will Sam for the most part only be substatially "in" the Cas episodes, with less than 1 minute appearances in the rest of S10 episodes? How will the show handle solely "MOTW" episodes unless DD convinces Crowley that it's 'Fun to Hunt and Save Lives?'
I do get it; all subsets of the online fandom want different things and the writers can't hope to satisfy 'all of us '.
If DemonDean hangs around through midseason or all season (and I am just speculating that it will take at least this long to 'cure' DD) I want DD doing 'really bad demon things' - things that the character 'needs to redeemed for' - like Sam and like Cas have (equally grumbles about the angel storyline not be over and done with). No 'Demon with a Heart of Gold' stuff. For all I know DD will beg Crowley to take him to Sam to be cured in 10.01 rather than 'howling at the moon'. (I know - why would show promote Mark to series regular if that's what hapens in S10.01.
Got you. Me too wanna him to have a good and solid story of his new status, not just a couple episodes, for sure, but at the same time I do not wanna see him changed into a new character completely, I want S and D to have jusy bro drama either :)
ReplyDeleteCrowley is fantastic! More good buddy comedy! ))) Cas is a cool character too!
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how Cas or Crowley, some others beings, liked Dean but not so much Sam at first, in the beginning reaching out to him more. Now Cas is quite close to Sam, they do constantly screw up and it makes them feel
ReplyDeleteexactly for each other mistakes. Now the balance will change I hope; will be a
good shift for a change cause no one is perfect and Dean shouldn't be
too. It's Sams time to see his brother and his pain / burden. As fo Dean he should start to accept himself, not as a demon but as a person who does have worth for the world, his family, his friends and enemies. Demon should be good for him, on a road of recovery.
Agree with both of you. Dean will be a wild card as Cain for sure cause he was reborn as a demon not turned due to suffering and stuff in hell. Guess it's one of the reasons why Crowley was quite apologetic telling the story of Cain. Actually I can quite consider him as a pure force, turned by Lucy himself as he was the one to create the Mark which in it's turn Dean inherited.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how each of them (Cas and Crowley, some others beings) liked
ReplyDeleteDean but not so much Sam at first, reaching out to him
more. Now Cas is quite close to Sam, they do constantly screw up and it
makes them feel exactly for each other mistakes. Now the balance
will change I hope; will be a good shift for a change cause no one is
perfect and Dean shouldn't be too. It's Sam's time to see his brother
and his pain / burden. As for Dean he should start to accept himself, not
as a demon (of course not) but as a person who does have worth for the world, his
family, his friends and enemies.
I actually wouldn't mind seen the brothers separated. But it would only
ReplyDeletework of they eliminate MOTW episodes, which I highly doubt they will.
You can't really have Sam working on a case with vampires and then cut
to Dean doing demon stuff. It would get jarring after a while.
That's one of my major problems with entirely separating the brothers for multiple episodes at time, for potentially the entire season, perhaps only have them cross paths once in while to 'glower at/try and a fail to catch' the other - how to handle the pure filler/MOTW episodes, unless S10 entirely concentrates on the 'two mytharcs', restoring Heaven and dealing with Cas's waning grace and 'catching/curing Demon Dean. I suppose it's possible.
I'm not as concerned as some are about Dean's 'theoretical post -cure depression' - both brothers still carry tons of emotional baggage that they haven't dealt with satisfactorily; I'm sure Demon Dean will get a 'major redemption arc' or series of mini-redemption arcs.
Saw that coming a mile away. Good shit. I love him. They'll probably kill him in the end.
ReplyDeleteAbout time, too.
ReplyDeleteShe's wrong clearly and when you post publicly, you can be answered. The way the internet works. When so clearly wrong, it's easy. Clearly the boys are in every show and the story is about and revolves around them. Doesn't hurt to have supporting characters do things too. Just silly to get all dramatic and deny the reality of the show.
ReplyDeleteShe thinks that the boys are being overshadowed in the show by guest/recurring stars. Guess what? She's entitled to feel that way. You can disagree. Neither of you are wrong b/c it's all subjective.
ReplyDeleteThat's all I have to say. I'm not going to fight w/you about an OPINION, so you won't hear from me again. Happy posting!
What I think will happen is that Sam won't know for a while that Dean is a demon, Crowley will make him believe he made a deal and brought back Dean while Dean may work for Crowley behind Sam's back.
ReplyDeleteThey can't do mythology episodes all season so they need to find a way to do stand alone episodes.
See I'm leaning toward Crowley and Demon Dean just taking off as of the ending of S9/beginning S10. Sam wondering why Crowley didn't appear and then wondering where the heck Dean's body went and putting 2 + 2 together. But your theory has an equal or greater chance of being right.
ReplyDeleteAwesome! Love Crawley and Mark Sheppard is fantastic
ReplyDeleteWell that only took them 5 years...
ReplyDeleteHonestly, the fact that Sam would be paired with Cas is good for two reasons - he's guaranteed decent screentime and they've needed to convince me for years that Sam and Cas have any kind of relationship, let alone a FRIENDship. Even if the scenes weren't that exciting, it was kinda nice to see those two working together in the last few eps.
ReplyDelete*Then I don't understand why people read and comment on my posts if they don't like them.*
ReplyDeleteBecause you're influencing the direction of the show, remember?
Opposing or unpopular opinions are WRONG. Don't you remember what fandom you're in?
ReplyDeleteYou're right . . . . what was I thinking? Individual thought . . . . a huge no-no! Hahaha :-)
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm guessing Dean becoming a demon is semi-permanent. Turning him back to human (if that's the plan) would probably be a season-long arc rather than just the opening episodes.
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