Supernatural’s season finale, “Do You Believe in Miracles,” was written by Jeremy Carver and directed by Thomas J Wright. I have to say that after watching that episode, I no longer believe in miracles. When Carver was first announced as showrunner, I had hopes for a miracle – that the show would return to the quality it had under Eric Kripke. Unfortunately, now with two seasons under his belt, I’m forced to come to the conclusion that Supernatural’s best days are behind it.
The season featured some good standalone episodes and started strongly, but it started to falter badly around episode 19. The episode itself was a good one, but it did nothing to help a lagging season mytharc. Episodes 20, 21, and 22 did even less. This episode felt disjointed as the various threads just didn’t seem to really mesh with each other. There were too many clever twists and turns, and yet the ending was predictable from the first five minutes.
I won’t criticize the acting in the episode, and all the leads do deliver excellent performances. I just wish they’d had more to work with. Many of the scenes were simply too long with too much dialogue, to the point that I actually found my attention wandering. Yes, villains monologue, but Metatron’s (Curtis Armstrong) just went on too long. The conversations that didn’t go on long enough? Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean’s (Jensen Ackles). Almost every conversation was cut off or truncated. What happened to we’ll see the brothers develop a new, more mature relationship. Do they even have a relationship now? Sam would appear to have a new partner in Cas (Misha Collins) and Dean with Crowley (Mark Sheppard). At least they finish their sentences with each other.
The episode starts with Cas and Sam locking Dean up. Suddenly, Dean is throwing up blood because he has to kill so badly? Dean looking in the mirror was, perhaps, a nice nod to the last time we saw him looking at himself as a demon and therefore foreshadowing. Maybe. Of course, Dean summons Crowley and escapes at the same time that Sam, Cas, and Gadreel (Tahmoh Penikett) decide that they need to use him to kill Metatron.
Ackles is fantastic in almost every scene. When asking Crowley what’s wrong with him, he’s clearly scared by what the blade is doing to him. As soon as Crowley mentions that the blade didn’t kill Cain because Cain was a demon, I knew immediately where the episode was going. Dean declares he could get rid of the mark. Crowley asks him if he wants to get rid of the mark, and I did feel like he might have helped him get rid of it. Dean clearly thinks about it. In the end, he has to honor his commitment to kill Metatron and focuses on that.
Gadreel tells Cas and Sam that Metatron is using the angel tablet to “power up” but we already knew this. Also, did it seem to anyone else that Sam miraculously got over being possessed by Gadreel? Am I wrong in remembering that he was pretty pissed about that? That said, I did like the three of them working together. Penikett finally got to really show what he’s capable of only, in true Supernatural fashion, to be killed off. It was nice that they let Gadreel have a true heroes exit, however.
The Dean and Crowley diner scene was interesting on a few levels. Crowley says he’s kicked him blood addiction, yet we see his masseuse urging him in his first scene to give the demons of Hell some direction, and in the diner, he seems to be savoring all of Dean’s vices. Dean, on the other hand, virtually ignores his attractive waitress and completely disses his cheeseburger with extra onions. I did love Dean’s response to Crowley saying that Hell was complicated. Dean disagrees: “Game of Thrones is complicated, shower sex that’s complicated. Hell ain’t complicated. Your problem ain’t Hell. It’s you.” Crowley watches Dean throughout the episode, and it’s hard to tell if he is still under the effects of the blood and therefore worried about Dean or if he has kicked the blood and is trying to figure out how to use Dean. It’s really impossible to tell what Crowley’s game is.
It really does seem a shame that they got rid of Gadreel. I loved he and Cas sneaking into Heaven together. Now that Cas gets the pop culture references, like using Chewbacca to break out Princess Leia in Star Wars, it’s fun to watch Cas be exasperated by others not getting the reference. Penikett is fantastic as he freaks out that he’s back in jail again. I really felt his despair, terror and claustrophobia. Kudos to the VFX team for the awesome jail roll over - that was also some stunning work.
Sam and Dean cross paths at the Millers’ trailer, and we get one of their very frustrating conversations – just as we have all season. Dean says that he’s not going to explain himself. Really? How can they both be in their thirties now and neither of them realizes that if you actually talk to each other you might actually come to an understanding. Of course having Sam tell Dean that Gadreel is their friend? Of course, then Sam goes back to blaming Dean for the nightmares he has watching his hands kill Kevin. But, it wasn’t actually Sam’s hands that killed Kevin, it was Gadreel’s power. Sam clearly felt bad in season two when he killed Steve Wandell while possessed by Meg, but I don’t remember him being obsessed over it for half a season. And let’s not forget that while Wandell was a stranger, Sam also shot Dean and hurt both Dean and Bobby. In the end, he blamed Meg, and kept blaming her.
Rather than feel like a new season finale, this one seemed to have a lot of the previous ones all rolled into it. Dean tells Sam that he’s going to kill Metatron whatever the consequences to him might be. Sam agrees – just as Dean agreed to let Sam sacrifice himself to Lucifer and even the Trials last season. In the end, Sam drinks himself into a bad decision and is going to make a deal with Crowley, just as Dean did in season two. And Cas would seem to be the reluctant leader of Heaven – wasn’t that the season six finale?
And once again, instead of killing Crowley while they have the chance, they simply dismiss him.
Someone explain to me how a homeless community found out about a viral video on youtube? Apparently they all saw it so that Metatron could be recognized even though his face was completely hidden. One thing that did strike me about this scene was how Wright shot the angel challenging Metatron. We see him in profile and the way the light hits his eyes, they seem to be almost glowing and are an unusual amber color. I don’t believe that was VFX, but a clever shot captured by the director and DP.
Unfortunately, that was the only think that I liked about this scene. Metatron is written too unevenly to ever feel really menacing. His dialogue is all over the place in this scene. Calling the other angel “Good sir”? He goes from very formal and archaic to trying to fit in with the common man. And why is Metatron so surprised by the crowd rising to defend him – wasn’t that his whole point? It’s a nice moment when Metatron says “they love me, they really, really love me,” in an echo of Sally Field’s infamous Oscar acceptance speech. Earlier in the episode, Metatron scoffs at the People’s Choice Awards (which, of course, Supernatural has won). Apparently he was holding out for an Academy Award.
We have the obligatory scene between the brothers before going in after Metatron. And once again, Dean attempts to open a dialogue this time and Sam shuts him down. The excuse? Let’s not get side tracked by talking because that will only lead to us fighting again. Dean then knocks Sam out because it’s not his fight. Which makes me wonder what Sam was doing all season – seemed to me it was equally his fight. Is Dean once again just protecting Sam or does he not want Sam to see what he’s become? This feels like another question that has been endlessly recycled with no resolution.
Cas attempts to sway Hannah (Erica Carroll) while Gadreel frets about redemption. Cas assures him that he has redeemed himself, but Gadreel works himself into a fever pitch – nothing matters but the mission. He wants to be known as one of those who helped to give Heaven a second chance. Both Hannah and Cas try to stop him, but he does convince Hannah to believe them.
Dean is expected. Metatron tries to tell Dean that he cares about humanity. But Dean blames Metatron for Kevin, for taking Cas’s grace, for the Cubs not winning. Metatron reveals that he knows about the plan and Cas and Gadreel are already caught. While Dean is able to hurt Metatron, Metatron is still much stronger and beats Dean almost to death. He tells Dean that next time he should “try to be powered by the word of God.” Of course, this could be as simple as the fact that that is where Metatron gets his power, but it might be a clue to saving Dean next season. I have my doubts that the writers can keep that nugget that long.
Sam arrives just in time to see Metatron stab Dean with an angel blade. Cas shatters the tablet just as Dean hits the floor. Metatron arrives back to find Cas with the broken tablet. Anybody else remember that Kevin – the prophet – put the tablet back together before? There has to be another prophet out there – assuming the show ever intends to adhere to any of its canon again. Metatron tells Cas that Dean is dead. Cas looks upset, but far from devastated. Cas, however, outsmarts Metatron and gets him to confess over angel radio. Suddenly, all the angels are willing to believe what they hear. Of course, Cas is freed before Dean actually dies. Why does he not go to Sam and Dean? The other angels have risen against Metatron, surely he could have popped out for a moment? Cas tells Hannah he doesn’t want to be a leader; he just wants to be an angel. Hannah reminds him that without his grace he will die – and she wonders what he will do about that.
Sam is determined that they will stop the bleeding, find a spell, he’ll be ok – which sounds like season three again. Dean surprises Sam by telling him that “it’s better this way. The mark is making me into something I don’t want to be.” Apparently, Dean didn’t want to become a demon any more than I wanted him to become one. Sam admits that he lied about being ok with one of them dying. While this feels like a return to the Sam we’d all come to know, it also plays havoc with the Sam of the last two seasons. Dean’s death feels like a combination of Sam’s death in Dean’s arms in season two and the way that Dean cups Sam’s face at the end of season three. Dean tells Sam that he’s “proud of us.” And then dies.
The final scene is Crowley talking to Dean’s body. Crowley muses that “it’s all become so expected.” And really that’s the core of what’s wrong with this finale. Nothing here is truly new. Padalecki and Ackles act their hearts out in those death scenes – though actual tears are now noticeably absent. There has been too much death on a show when it no longer affects the viewer. Crowley tells Dean that he didn’t know this would happen when he took on the mark. I felt like this could be the writers talking. I don’t feel like they really have a sense of where they’re going.
Crowley tells us a whole new lore about Cain and the blade in the last five minutes. And this is the crux of my problem with this storytelling. I don’t feel that we were given any real clues to this ending. We learn that Cain tried to kill himself to avoid the pull of the blade but the blade itself brought him back. He came back a demon – which makes sense if he killed himself, he would go to Hell. Dean did not kill himself, so why does he come back a demon? Is it possible that Crowley is actually saying a spell over Dean? That he can only bring him back as far as the life that Crowley himself experiences? We were just reminded that Crowley’s mother was a witch in the last episode. Crowley muses that he'd noticed the changes in Dean but it wasn't until he'd seen Dean ignore his cheeseburger that he began to let himself believe that maybe miracles do come true. Is it a miracle that Dean is now one of the demons who answer to him?
Frankly, I think the writers will simply run with Dean now being a demon. I wonder what Sam will think of that. What about Cas? Is Dean’s soul simply gone now? Who knows? What of Dean's fight not to become a demon in Hell let alone to avoid the influence of the mark? Does all of that count for nothing? The writers now play so fast and loose with canon, I really don’t feel that any speculation can be given weight. What can you possibly rely on for evidence? Just as Dean is completely transformed in the blink of an eye, the writers transform the storylines just as quickly.
For me, this was a very disappointing finale of a show that was much watch television for me for many years. I had hopes for this season early on, but they definitely petered out. Again, the acting was very good from Ackles, Padalecki, and Penikett in particular, but the story itself was just too weak. Sadly, this will be the first hiatus in the show’s run that I won’t find myself impatiently waiting for what comes next. What did you think of the episode? I’m hoping some of you out there might change my mind on some of this. Do you think Cas is doomed without his grace? Do you think it’s a bad move not to kill Metatron? Do you think that Sam will simply find Dean gone? Will Sam now have to kill Dean because Dean has literally gone darkside? Is this season two all over again? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below.
This episodes biggest sin was that it was boring, and that is not what you want from a season finale, but then did anyone really think that it would be different given the rest of the season?
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Metatron was difficult to watch and listen to, a mere tool for the writers to say what they want to the fans which is not what characters should be there for.
They should be there to further the story-line and nothing else.
One can say what one wants but IMO the angel-story-line adds nothing to the plot. Each episode with them is eerily similar to those which have gone before.
Anyway I'll stop here or thias will turn into a thesis.
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I just want to say that the only scenes I enjoyed were those with Sam and Dean together. Teaming Dean up with Crowley as his 'minion' does nothing for me and Sam teamed up with Castiel is even worse, for at least Crowley has some charisma; then evil is always more interesting than 'good' which I presume the new duo of Sam/ Castiel is the embodiment for season ten.
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I have hated the way Carver has torn the brothers and their bond apart. IMO it does not made for an interesting story-line. Sam and Dean are at theri best and most charismatic when playing off each other and separating them to team them up with other actors just doesn't work.
It kills the Winchester magic but for some unfathomable reason Carver thinks that's a good thing!
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Not looking forward to season ten unless ther is going to be a complete turn around in the writers' outlook towards the show and Sam and Dean are valorised as they should be.
I was holding out hope that all of the canon issues that we've had this year (and let's face it, there has been an usually large amount), were all due to Metatron altering reality somehow. I'm disappointed that that isn't the case and it just looks like we have a team of largely incompetent writers (some are great, it just seems that their voices are being quashed by the other arrogant/ignorant writers). It also seemed a little odd to me that we only had one episode of Metatron trying to be God for humanity. I feel like if he had been doing it for an episode or two more, it would have given the boys more of a reason to go after him, a sense of urgency so to speak. Because let's face it, why should Sam and Dean care that he made the angels fall? That's not their fight. What could they do that a bunch of super powered angels couldn't? Metatron was a dick sure, but as a season long villain he left a lot to be desired. So I just feel if he had been tricking humanity into thinking he was God for more than a quarter of an episode we would have had more of a reason to want him gone other than him being a bit annoying.
ReplyDeleteAgree. I have no problem with the brothers working apart from time to time, but for the majority of the season finale? No.
ReplyDeleteI agree that there really was no build up in urgency. In fact, now that Heaven is open again and the angels are back up there, can we assume that spirits can now get there too? And really, wasn't that the big issue? What does it really matter who people think is God? After all, on the show God is gone anyway.
ReplyDeleteI'd been trying to turn a blind eye to some of the canon issues but this episode just went to a whole new level... and if you can't trust the showrunner, who can you trust?
I usually don't pay attention to fandom stuff, but a lot of people are saying that the reason that we have had so many guest stars lately, and so many episodes where Sam and Dean barely do anything is because Jensen and Jared don't get on much anymore. I tend to lean more however to it being down to the fact that they both have young kids now and have it in their contract that they should work less hours. But whatever the reason, it's the season finale. It's the one episode of the season where we expect that they should work together.
ReplyDeleteHi! I agree with your opinion about Dean and Sam's relationship. Their dialogues were all too short...and Dean hitting Sammy was awful. Can I answer some of your questions?
ReplyDelete- Someone explain to me how a homeless community found out about a viral video on youtube?
NO ONE CAN. That was the biggest WTF? moment of the episode!
- There has to be another prophet out there
There isn't. Metatron took care of that before having Kevin fried by Gadreel
- Metatron tells Cas that Dean is dead. Cas looks upset, but far from devastated.
Well, they were on angel radio, and Metatron had just said in front of every one that Cas is in love with Dean Humanity Winchester. Maybe a big "nooooo" wasn't the smartest thing to do...Or he didn't believe him. Dean has this habit of not staying dead... We'll see in season 10. I just hope that Hannah will be the new angels leader and that she will bring all the feathered-douchebags in heaven for good, leaving only Cas downstairs, with no powers. No more sheep-angels, no more angel wars, PLEASE.
- Why does he not go to Sam and Dean?
He has no wings. he can't.
Maybe he will at the beginning of the next season?
- Do you think Cas is doomed without his grace?
I think he has to extract the remaining grace with the syringe he used with Sammy, and become human again. As an angel he is too powerful and he can't stay with Dean and Sam. What's the point in hunting as humans, for Sam and Dean, when an angel alone could smite a city, if they have one in the backseat of the Impala? AngelCas! is the equivalent of a Vorpal sword in d&d: it's so powerful that it ends the game.
- Do you think it’s a bad move not to kill Metatron?
No, I think it's "in character", for Cas and Hannah too.
-Do you think that Sam will simply find Dean gone?
I fear that yes, Season 10 will start with an empty bed.
I forgot about the other side. I'm guessing they still can't cross over because heaven wasn't fully opened, the gates are still closed right? They just have that portal that Metatron had all along (I'm so glad we don't have to hear that name anymore, I keep thinking of transformers whenever I hear it haha).
ReplyDeleteI doubt Acckles and Padalecki would have signed on for season 10 and probably for season eleven if they no longer wanted to be on the show together.
ReplyDeleteSo I wouldn't give those rumours any credence.
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Then I have always had a problem with the 'wanting more time off' stuff.
Let's look at it logically.
I've heard that it takes eight days to film an episode on average, so let's say the actors have only contracted to work for four of those days (and I doubt any employer would allow them to work less).
That means that for 20 minutes of an episode we should expect the two actors to be on-screen together.
In some episodes they are on-screen much less, and apart to boot, so I don't believe that's the problem.
The problem for me is in the writing team who just don't have any creative ideas for the Winchesters( and especially for Sam), and so prefer giving cameo roles to secondary actors to fill out the episodes and make up for the lack of good writing ideas.
Last week for example was there really any need to bring back a lbeoved character like Tessa just to kill her off?
Anyone could have taken that role and Tessa could have been kept in reserve foe a more important moment.
. It also seemed a little odd to me that we only had one episode of Metatron trying to be God for humanity. I feel like if he had been doing it for an episode or two more, it would have given the boys more of a reason to go after him, a sense of urgency so to speak.
ReplyDeleteI think they waited that long to have him start behaving that way because he never was a villain. Not in the Azazel type way. He went around doing crazy, dangerous things, but was generally untouchable and hidden away. Only as he's come out more directly has he been more of a threat. Even then, it was only about, "He's bad we have to stop him" in these last few episodes, because it was never really about him. It was about Dean's choices, Cas' choices, etc. Metatron himself was an aimless, spoiled brat.
Good points. I tend to agree with your view on the writers. I have absolutely no faith in them whatsoever. I wouldn't be sad if they just cleaned house and hired completely new writers next season. There are some who seem to remember that the show has existed for 9 years before their episode, but most just seem ignorant of what came before them, or they are too arrogant to care.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's about them not wanting to work together. They go to conventions together, and yes, that's money, but if the animosity was that severe they wouldn't do them at this point.
ReplyDeleteI think this season finale they weren't together because that was the story - Dean wanted to be alone. Dean couldn't deal with the problems he and Sam were having, and his problems in general. He had no trust in Sam, or, deep down, in himself.
Sam wanted to be with Dean, but wasn't able to save him.
I think the show has some very uneven writers, although it has for so long now. I think that the only genuinely bad writers onstaff are Jenny Klein, Brad Buckner, and Eugenie-Ross Lemming. I also wouldn't be too upset if Andrew Dabb left. The others, I've liked their work this season.
ReplyDeleteI try not to see canon stuff as arrogance, because sometimes it just happens. Edlund was there for 7 seasons and made a huge canon violation. Kripke made shocking and damaging canon violations for no apparent reason. I don't think that means they were uncaring.
I wish they'd improve this, don't get me wrong.
The problem with Carver for me is that I was expecting so much more from him especially as regards the brothers, given the two wonderful episodes he was credited with writing in the earlier seasons, and I believe that's why I'm even more bitter towards him because I feel he has crushed my expectations and given us some really bad re-boots with built-in disregard for the show's past history and canon, which can and should be expanded and built on, but not tossed to the side as worthless, which is what Carver has done.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem either for Sam and Dean to be apart for scenes, but the underlying brotherly connection has to remain strong and central to the show, otherwise nothing works.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I have come to love the stand-alone episodes these two seasons, because it's in those that we get the most emphasis on the brothers.
After the whole thing with the vessel canon and the John/Mary rewrite in season 5, I just sort of gave up on that.
ReplyDeleteI think that duo are pretty bad, but I don't hate them as much as a lot of fans do. It's just that they tend to make the most canon rewrites/have some of the most problematic episodes.
SPN tends to vary week to week. It's the most uneven show on TV, for me.
ReplyDeleteThe scenes with Gadreel, especially the ones in the prison, were by far and away the best in the episode. His fear of being back in prison, his nobility at the end, and the desire that his name be thought of well when he passed away had far more emotional resonance than anything between Sam and Dean.
ReplyDeleteThe ending was predictable. It was coming since we first heard about the MoC, especially then when they rewrote the bible to make it that Cain's actions were self-sacrifical and noble (!)
I'm not surprised Dean didn't explain himself. Dictator, remember? Dictators don't explain themselves to their subjects. This is why his 'I'm proud of us' was meaningless to me. It attempts to wipe out everything that we saw on screen before it, when it was anything but 'us'. It was essentially a repeat of the speech in Sacrifice, when the big speech at the end was to negate all the nastiness spat before that. It didn't work for me then and it doesn't work for me now.
I'm glad that Sam stood up for Gadreel, and also that he reminded Dean of the role that he played in that. Dean can't keep passing the buck onto others.However, I doubt it we'll see it because it will be lost in the newer, shinier storyline of Demon Dean.
In relation to the video going viral amongst the homeless community, everyone has some sort of smartphone these days! It's also possible the angel who recognised Marve was a plant.
I'm with you in that this is the first season where I'm like 'Meh' for next season. It has almost come as a relief because the season, as a whole, was one I found to be a bit of a letdown.
very predictable finale with a ending that could either make or break next season!!
ReplyDelete"I hope we'll see him work for Crowley in Season 10..." I think we'll see him working WITH Crowley, as his personnel Knight of Hell, his 2nd in command and buddy! Crowley has obviously a weak spot for Dean and I assume, he's very much looking forward to having a pal with him, a kindred soul. That's what he was watching him so closely...
ReplyDeleteI'd love that, too! I hesitated to write "with Crowley" as I wasn't sure how much independence Crowley would grant him. ;) But Crowley just wanting to have a friend in Dean is absolutely something that I'd love to see.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the review. This ep wasn't flawless but I liked it. I have two list;
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1. The scene of Dean being stabbed and then dying after saying he's proud. So touching.
2. Cas being the one who defeated Metatron (w/ Gad's help of course). In the end Cas was the hero in the angel conflict and he really deserved it.
3. Heroic but truly sad departure of Gad.
4. Crowley's ending speech. It was kinda soothing. And I believe he really felt sadness at what had become of Dean.
Weak points:
1. The over-guessed ending. What was so shocking about Dean w/ demon eyes? People were talking about it from when he received the Mark.
2. Sam being a jerk to his brother until he was dying. It's exactly like w/ John. He never made up w/ Dean and the last time he talked w/ him, he heatedly blamed him, again. And as you mentioned the blatant 180-degree change and hypocrisy about trusting Gad and possession. The only thing that clued me he's returned to the Sam we loved was his determination to bring Dean back, means back to the lovely codependency :)
3. Practically leaving all the ends loose; All big characters are alive w/ unknown future. It's like, as you said, writers really don't know what they want to do.
4. The Homeless' amazing access to the media and their extreme reaction in murdering a guy to defend Metatron. Everything at the service of the plot!
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Some points you mentioned:
>Cas WAS devastated by Dean's death. Misha delivered those scenes perfectly. His eyes were moist and his voice was trembling, both w/ Metatron and then w/ Hannah. But he has a reserved and quiet personality, so he hardly let his feelings out. Not to mention he had work to do about his fellow angels too.
>I'm not bothered we didn't know this little story about Cain. We practically didn't know anything about Mark&Blade until now except they were making Dean more angry and feral.
>I have no idea how next season will be and I can't understand why the actors were saying this finale would open a whole new background to go on for a couple of seasons. Probably the writers are working on making a twist so Dean couldn't be cured like other demons. So like you I'm clueless and strangely relax about this hiatus.
Crowley didn't cast any spell on Dean. The mark bringed him back, as a demon because the mark itself was the work of Lucifer, who wanted Cain as a demon. And yes, he fought against becoming a demon before in hell and now fought against the mark. He lost, that's all. Sam will save him, because that's what they do... And I really don't get all this hate to the writers, as if there was a war between them and the fans...
ReplyDelete1. The over-guessed ending. What was so shocking about Dean w/ demon eyes? People were talking about it from when he received the Mark.
ReplyDeletePeople on boards and tumblr were talking about it. I don't know if the average fan was. And a lot of fans who thought it would happen still didn't expect that it actually would.
I have no idea how next season will be and I can't understand why the actors were saying this finale would open a whole new background to go on for a couple of seasons.
They probably meant Dean being a demon. I guess Cas' grace could also play some role.
I agree with you about the homeless people - I liked the actors but that part I could have done without. I think they wanted us to see Metatron preying on the weakest in society. It's an interesting idea and I don't mind Metatron being erratic and hard to read, it just didn't seem to suit the show.
I agree with most of your comments. Good summary.
The lead up to Season 8's finale was fantastic and heartbreaking in my opinion. Love how they brought back so many old characters and I loved how they tried to end what very well could have been written as a series finale in my opinion, where the brothers close Hell up for good and no more demons would be unleashed. However, on the flip side Season 9's final episodes were a massive disappointment. It did have its good moments but overall I found the finale to be boring. Way too much dialogue, not even fight scenes. It just didn't feel like a finale to me until the final few moments. having Dean turn into a demon was a definite twist to me. And I think it is the one good thing that came out of the finale. how long will this last? the whole season? One or two episodes? I cam curious to see where they go with it. But some things that bothered me were 1: Metatron needed to be offed. It would have seemed to me the angel arc was going to end in this finale. But it didn't and that was a dissapointment. The other: Crowley. much as I like him as a villain he has flip flopped far too much, good, bad, good, bad. The point though, he is still a demon. he has killed many, including people both Sam and Dean were close to. It makes no sense to keep him alive. I am sticking around for season 10, but this show has really taken a downhill turn since season 6's closure. and that's just the hard truth.
ReplyDeleteI was one of those who didn't expect demon!Dean. Mainly bc it was predicted so much and it's really cruel to Dean, to become the thing he hunt... So sad and cruel! Also I remember they said killing Abel turned Cain to demon, so I figured Dean was safe.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I'm wondering is the possibility of removing the mark, the way Crowley asked him if he wanted to remove it implied it would be possible, even easy and simple! Or maybe that's the story for next season, he can't be cured, they must find a way to remove the mark.
I don't think it's about them not wanting to work together. They go to conventions together, and yes, that's money, but if the animosity was that severe they wouldn't do them at this point.
ReplyDeleteI think this season finale they weren't together because that was the story - Dean wanted to be alone. Dean couldn't deal with the problems he and Sam were having, and his problems in general. He had no trust in Sam, or, deep down, in himself.
Sam wanted to be with Dean, but wasn't able to save him. Watch it properly here : http://bit.ly/1jqxm5F
And of course, Dean worked himself to the bone to try and repair their relationship (that he had a damn big hand in destroying). Oh wait, no he didn't. Instead he tried to absolve himself from responsibility with what he did, told Sam he didn't have to explain himself to him and then knocked him out.
ReplyDeleteBut some things that bothered me were 1: Metatron needed to be offed. It would have seemed to me the angel arc was going to end in this finale. But it didn't and that was a dissapointment.
ReplyDeleteI think it's pretty much winding down even with Metatron alive. He may be back, I don't know, but he's heavily weakened. Gadreel is dead. The angels are back in Heaven. The only real story thread left is Cas' grace.
I am sticking around for season 10, but this show has really taken a downhill turn since season 6's closure. and that's just the hard truth.
It's interesting, because I thought the end of season 6 was far, far worse than this. They literally out of nowhere made Cas a lunatic because they had no other story plans. For me the show took a downhill turn after season 2 and it's been up and down ever since.
Season 8 was better overall, but I was very soured on the fandom and some of the show by the last few episodes. I had the same thought about that finale as you did about this one. This one was sober and somber and a little empty, but it felt much more like an end to something, especially Dean's arc this season. His arc concluded naturally, whereas the fall of the angels was couched in Cas being made into an idiot.
I could see Cain being involved somehow, at least enough to help Dean learn how to control it.
ReplyDeleteDean didn't destroy their brotherhood, he saved his brother against his will, but that's exactly what Sam was trying to do at the end of this ep. This going to the extreme to save each other is what made this relationship unique and precious. (I'm glad they kinda put Sam in Dean's shoes here, his reaction was a proof both for him and us that he could be just as reckless when it's about his brother.)
ReplyDeleteDean didn't want to explain himself bc he thought Sam wouldn't let him to go after Metatron, they locked him up just an hour ago after all. But later about his behavior in the last two months he tried to apologize which Sam cut him off. (He KOed him to protect him against Metatron, just like w/ Abaddon, duh!)
Sam knew it was a big and dangerous fight but didn't try to make up w/ his brother in their possibly last minutes together. He was the one who said they're not brothers, it'd be pleasant if he had said they were in this together as 'brothers'.
And no apology at any stage from Dean. Not even an attempt at an apology. He knew he did wrong, and he didn't care. He got what he wanted. To hell if Sam was hurt by it.
ReplyDeleteDean didn't want to explain himself because Dean doesn't explain himself. Since Carver took over, he has never explained himself. He has simply done what he wanted. He didn't try to apologise. I can see him trying to use what Kevin said to coerce Sam into forgiveness, but there was no apology.
Why should Sam apologise and try to make up for the fight? He's not the one whose trust was broken. Jeez, when Dean was the one who felt betrayed, he dragged Sam over broken glass for months. Sam never left Dean's side. Even after he punched him out, again, Sam tried to help.
And Sam never said they weren't brothers. He said 'If you want to be brothers'. He then decided the 'relationship' was a 'dictatorship', and dictators neither apologise or explain.
Thanks. I've never realised how much the expectation of fixing everything that goes wrong is always placed on Sam. Dean is the one who was in the wrong here. Even if his intentions were honourable, he still did wrong, and he knew it. Apart from the possession and breaking his brothers trust, he lied about it constantly, gaslit Sam for months, and made him believe he was losing his mind. He never even tried to fix things with Sam, yet he expects everything to be just forgiven and forgotten.
ReplyDeleteHowever, once again, it was left up to Sam to make the first move, because hell will freeze over before Dean will actually do that when he's in the wrong.
Yes Dean did try to apologize and explain himself to Sam just before going in to meet Metatron but Sam cut him off and wouldn't let him finish.
ReplyDeleteYou're also forgetting that the MoC & blade greatly influenced Dean to want to do all of this on his own, hence "dictatorship." Just as his demon blood influenced Sam to try to strangle Dean to death in When the Levee Breaks.
Whenever Metty comes on scene everything slows to a sludge. He has to be the most boring baddie on TV. He doesn’t need angel blades he can simply talk someone to death.
ReplyDeleteAgree with much of this review – although I did enjoy the episode. I really wanted more S&D
dialogue. I didn’t want Gadreel to die. Jensen deserves an Emmy nomination for this past season. The guy’s an absolute genius at non verbal communication.
I actually watched First Blade before watching the finale. It forced me to remember a lot more of the "lore" of the Blade and I think First Blade overall was a good episode. One thing that did stand out a bit in that was the implication that Cain went from human to demon and I'll have to re-watch it to see if/what analogies there could be in the finale. Also, Cain asked Dean to kill him after he killed Abaddon so I think Cain will make another appearance in Season 10 to resolve some of this. The one big reason I liked the finale is because it didn't take my breath away. I really didn't want to go through the summer fretting about if/what would happen. All the hype led me to believe it would be jaw dropping and for me it wasn't -- a lot was based on previous years' finales. Strangely I'm glad and that may not be a good thing. However, I think my biggest problem is that there has been little to no build up this season for this ending -- warts and all. Perhaps if there were a better build up as there had been in previous years it would have not been so 'sudden' and so many inconsistencies could have been explained. To me, I wonder why it took so long to get the Mark of Cain and the first blade as part of the season arc. To the point you made about the writers not knowing what they're doing next I wonder if they found that this ended up being a decent story for Dean only towards the end of the season -- then they rushed it. As much as I love Curtis Armstrong, I was getting a big weary of him and again -- this was way too rushed at the end for me to see how humanity was being put asunder by Metatron. Leviathon Dick did it much better and I wasn't thrilled with the Leviathons -- at least I got it. But here's what I think -- I think somehow the writers began to understand the rhythm that makes Supernatural work best but rushed it so bad at the end that things didn't make sense -- as if we were to read footnotes to explain some of the plot point problems I think most of us spotted in some way. I am hoping that next year they'll understand this more. I started to see glimmers of this this year so I have hope. To someone's question about why less combined airtime for the leads -- think it may have to do with just giving them breaks from filming after 9 years. Not from each other as I believe they really do get along well but from filming and the grueling schedules. I think SPN has done this better than most when shows on for a while 'break up teams" as they've given them pretty decent actors to work against. However, that also may have been why there were too many inconsistencies this year. Maybe in Season 10 God really does have to be found to put it all back together.
ReplyDeleteI didn't like the fact that they made Castiel a bad guy either but Season 6 as a whole really wasn't all that bad. I liked the fact that Sam came back from Hell soulless. That was a good plot. I didn't like how they are 'forgiving' angels and demons for killing and slaughtering. Castiel (I guess I can see), Gadreel (maybe--it was just Kevin), but Crowley (he's killed many people the bros loved and cared about). It's just an excuse to keep them around.
ReplyDeleteI actually liked Season 8 as well. It had its ups and downs but the main focus of the tablets was an intriguing plot, it's too bad it was dropped so quickly. Closing the gates of hell would have been a great way to close out the series. I loved Seasons 3-4, they are my personal favorites of the series.
I agree with your opinion. For me, Supernatural isn't Supernatural for a long time. I just keep watching, hoping that the tide will turn.
ReplyDeleteBut I think that if the Winchester blood is their strongest quality about how why they could survive through everything, it only can end when the other or both is really dead. We saw a hint of that in Season 6. Dean moved on when Sam was "dead" and was really happy for a short time. In Season 8 with Dean in Purgatory, Sam was happy with that girl.
I don't see so much them both walking away from all this. They only can for their feelings if someone else stepped in or as I said before, if both are dead.
Sam can quit being a hunter if Dean is dead. If Dean is alive, he would keep fighting until the end of his life.
I don't blame the writers as much as the showrunner, Carver is supposed to keep the story moving forward and as a showrunner he is a pretty good writer. The last 2 seasons have been uneven and jerky. I wonder if he even goes to writer meetings or reads the stories, just bad leadership.
ReplyDeleteI've been hoping for SPN to go back to being the show it was, with the story-arcs well thought out and building up to the finale, episode by episode in a thrilling and logical way, but after two years of Carver, I don't think the show will ever be as good as it was again.
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Like you say, the Winchesters' bond is what makes them survive all the crap that destiny has thrown at them but Carver doesn't seem to understand that and has turned the show into a soap opera throwing in any old thing to fill out the episodes, with no attention to the details.
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Sam and Dean are not ordinary brothers. We can't expect the to act as if they are. Through out their entire life they have really only had each other to rely on and when one dies or disappears the other is left shell-shocked.
Even in season six when Dean was with Lisa , he wasn't happy. He only went there in the first place because Sam made him promise to, but he told Bobby he had never stopped looking for a way to get Sam out.
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As for Amelia, well that falls into the Carver era where NOTHING makes sense.
I could see Sam going off with Amelia after having tried everything to find out where Dean was and not being able to help his brother, but the way Carver did it without giving any kind of explanation was just ridiculous.
What a let down, but that was the start of the woeful Carver crap
.i hate it when rumours start doubting the friendship of these two guys, just read the latest from Jared( just posted on here) ....and get over it, these guys are like brothers forever..
ReplyDeleteAfter this season, I am honestly worried they're just gonna use Demon!Dean as an excuse to have one of their leads do really messed-up stuff and 'get away with it'. Virtually every other demon on the show was been explicitly or heavily implied to be a rapist, so why would Demon!Dean be an exception?
ReplyDeleteI mean, do we really think the person who wrote the tire fire that was "A Rock and a Hard Place" is going to have the skill and sensitivity to handle this plot in the way it needs to be handled not to be a gross mess?
And there's something really disgusting about giving Alastair what he always wanted. Alastair tortured (and while not said outright, it was heavily insinuated that rape was amongst the torture methods) Dean for 40 years to try to turn him into a demon. And not only that, they way they had Dean become a demon, he was literally 'asking for it'. He asked for the Mark, which is what turned him into a demon. He asked for the thing which turned him into a demon. It all leaves a very unpleasant taste in my mouth.
And the brothers...Carver talks a good game about them, but he never actually DOES anything with them. He talked about breaking the codependency, but that didn't happen. All that happened was the brothers fought and had strife and angst, but no real change or growth.
And Gods, I am so sick of Kevin's death being boiled down to which white dude is sadder about it.
This could have been Misha's last episode, by the way. This could have been how Cas's whole story was resolved had TPTB not come to a contract agreement with Misha (the episode was written before it was reached).
This season had a bad start, a bad middle, and a bad end. It was just a waste.
Ia agree. Gadreel was definitely the most interesting angel of all and of course that's why he was killed off because we couldn't have him overshadowing our resident boring, past his expiry date, Castiel!
ReplyDeleteThis was spot-on in every way, shape and form. First of all, for Metatron basically outright revealing that everything, every step Cas has ever taken, has ALWAYS been for Dean, Cas's reaction to Dean's death was a little lackluster. I wish the director had pushed Misha more, but then again, I guess he is an angel, and we wouldn't see an angel sobbing on the floor. Still, it would have tied in with his time as a human, and feeling human emotion.
ReplyDeleteSecond, yes, why didn't he rush to Dean and Sam? I was literally yelling, "GO, CAS, GO!!" at my TV, and he was kind of just taking his time locking Metatron away. Perhaps he'd completely given up by that point, believing Dean was dead and, as such, resigning any and all desire to rule or even to possibly choose a human life. He wanted to just be an angel, and looked completely exhausted.
Third, yes, thank you for the homeless camp comment. How in the world would they have seen a viral video, especially, what, the same day?! Uhhh....
The brothers. I have no idea what the point of the strain in their relationship was if they were going to try and (poorly) patch it up in the last 5 minutes. Terrible. What a terrible, painful season this has been for them, only to poorly execute a mend. I don't think either Sam or Dean truly learned any lessons, did they? Nothing was taught here, there was no resolve to all the bull they had to put up with throughout the season. And yes....they should have had much more screentime together. Instead, it was wasted on Metatron's stupid face blabbering on over who knows what (because I honestly couldn't have cared to pay attention to what he was saying at this point, I stopped listening to him long ago).
I'm so upset about the loss of Gadreel. It's been a long time that we've had a LIKABLE angel character other than Cas. The fandom really warmed to him, so of course, the writers take him away...and keep...Crowley? Who, for some reason, wormed his way into the brothers' hearts, I guess? Who knows why? Ugh.
I'm disappointed with this season, as a whole. I'm going to nickname it the season of "Good Ideas, Poor Execution."
What Dean said after he was going to apologize/explain i.e. "Listen, Sammy. About the last couple of months...." ?? Well, the next thing Dean said to Sam was, "Sammy...you gotta get outta here before he comes back. Listen to me. It's better this way. The Mark is making me into someone I don't want to be." And the last thing he said to Sam, "I gotta say something to you. I'm proud of us." Dean was not at all contrite.
ReplyDeleteAnd then of course it was SAM who decided that he and he alone had the right to try to decide Dean's fate with his intention to make a deal with Crowley to bring back Dean from the dead. Like brother, like brother.
Didn't Dean knock Sam out after that? I suppose that could pass as a Dean 'apology'.
ReplyDeleteI've no idea what Dean was proud of, especially in relation to Sam and especially as he was calling him an infant not long before that.
At that stage Sam was only summoning Crowley. There was no deal made.
Well we won't know since Sam cut Dean off and wouldn't allow him to finish what he was saying. And Dean knocked him out so that Sam wouldn't get killed by Metatron. What would have stopped Metatron from snapping Sam's neck just as soon as he entered the room? Nothing. And Sam was going to make a deal with Crowley, according to the show.
ReplyDeleteAs for Dean being proud - he was proud of them BOTH for being brothers who yes, fought and disagreed, but stuck together and supported each other in the end.
I thought thiks episode was pretty weak. The junkward scene must be the poorest single scene in th ehistory of the show.First off, Metatron wants to make himself god, and THIS is his gambit? Hang out in a junkyard with the homeless? The dialogue (and acting, for that matter) as embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteYour review pretty much hits on all the things wrong with this episode and with where the show has gone. As for just plain lazy work . . . I know it's trivial, but did Sam really say "The gig [hard G] is up," "Not the jig is up"? Really?
Great review, Lisa! I really agree w/you a lot of your points. I didn't hate the episode,but I didn't love it either. I thought it was just okay.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I was as disappointed as you b/c I lost faith in Carver last year, and this season lost its appeal - for me - somewhere before the mid-break. Other than the episode where they helped Sam expel Gadreel from his body, I haven't enjoyed any of the episodes the came after. To me, this finale fits this boring, muddled season. But back to the finale -
I found myself finally liking Gadreel in this episode. I was sorry to see him go. I couldn't agree more w/you that he and Misha played very well off each other. As you said, it was nice seeing Cas making a reference that someone else didn't get. I think TP and MC could have been really good together.
Lisa, I wholeheartedly agree w/you about Sam's 180 re: Gadreel and the possession. I have been complaining about that ever since he was suddenly able to remember enough about his possession to answer Cas's questions about Gadreel's motives, etc. That's not what we were told earlier. When did the story change? I'm not sure why I was shocked when he called Gadreel a "real friend," but I was! Haha! The entire thing was very bipolar.
First off, Metatron wants to make himself god, and THIS is his gambit? Hang out in a junkyard with the homeless?
ReplyDeleteI thought it made sense for Metatron. He would want the lessers (I'm not saying the homeless are lesser, I think in his mind they are lesser) to worship him.
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After this season, I am honestly worried they're just gonna use Demon!Dean as an excuse to have one of their leads do really messed-up stuff and 'get away with it'. Virtually every other demon on the show was been explicitly or heavily implied to be a rapist, so why would Demon!Dean be an exception?
ReplyDeleteI don't think they will go that far. There are threats, like the threats Abaddon made, but I don't know if it would go beyond that. I think they may not write Dean like all other demons, and more like Cain.
And there's something really disgusting about giving Alastair what he always wanted.
Alastair wanted a slave, more than anything else. He likely would be furious that Dean became a demon this way.
I was literally yelling, "GO, CAS, GO!!" at my TV, and he was kind of just taking his time locking Metatron away
ReplyDeleteDidn't we only see him immediately after locking Metatron up? He then had a quick conversation about his grace.
I would have liked to have seen him with Sam and Dean, yes, but I'm also glad that his story was on its own, that he beat Metatron. I'm afraid if he was just with Sam and Dean he would be a third wheel, as most of the focus would go to Sam and Dean and their relationship.
I don't think either Sam or Dean truly learned any lessons, did they?
I think by the end, Dean had ("I'm proud of us").
The fandom really warmed to him, so of course, the writers take him away...and keep...Crowley?
I'm tired of Crowley too, but he's a big fan favorite.
I wouldn't have minded seeing Gadreel stay around. I imagine it was a budget thing.
I think Crowley said Sam was calling him, trying to make a deal to bring Dean back.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we can say Sam thought he was losing his mind. Don't get me wrong, if the show had actually written that in some much needed dialogue for Sam, I wouldn't have protested, but for the most part, Sam was unaware of the possession . . . . at least that's the way show played it during and immediately after the possession.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they don't get along. I think they just want more time off. If they are paired w/different characters, they get more time off than if they are in the majority of the scenes together.
ReplyDeleteThey seem to be really good friends in real life.
Tessa was completely unnecessary in last week's episode.
ReplyDeleteActually the woman that got hit with the car was at the homeless encampment, she's the clean looking one that started to defend Metatron from the other angel. It appears to me that Metatron sent her there to hype him up/spread the word.
ReplyDeleteYes, because "A Rock and a Hard Place" wasn't a gross mess.
ReplyDeleteThe woman that got hit by the car was at the encampment and told them about "Marv" and that he was coming to them. She stands out, she's the cleanest looking person there.
ReplyDeleteAnd really, even Azazel didn't do shit until the last episodes.
ReplyDeleteI think what was meant to be "shocking about Dean w/ demon eyes" wasn't that he got them, but how he got them. I think most people (myself included) thought that he would just use the blade and his eye would go black, and not lost the fight against Metatron and get slowly stabbed in the chest and die.
ReplyDeleteAs for the homeless, the woman who was hit by the car was at the encampment, so that's how they knew about Marv.
Just saw them 2 weeks ago at a convention in DC. They seemed as close as ever to me - and I see them behind the scenes, not just when they are "on." I suggest it has a lot more to do with having young kids and a gruelling schedule. That said, totally agree that the finale should focus on our brothers.... And I'm not normally the type to count the minutes they are on screen. I'm probably one of the few people who loved the "Bitten" episode for instance...
ReplyDeleteNo one has signed a contract for Season 11. Regulars sign on for every day of every episode. Those are definitely rumors with no substance.
ReplyDeleteThere has no been so much death on this show it is just meaningless.
Edlund apologized on twitter for his Grand Canyon gaff. As creator, Kripke gets a pass. (well that last is admittedly my rule... ;) )
ReplyDeleteDean was NEVER happy in S6 without Sam.
ReplyDeleteLOL! Every time I wrote it, I had a moment of panic I was getting it wrong! LOL!
ReplyDeleteYES! This is exactly the way I feel as well! I had the opportunity to interview the cast of Being Human just before Carver started as showrunner on SPN and I even told them that I thought their loss had been our gain - how very wrong I was...
ReplyDeleteAs a writer myself, I look to the writing. If I can't like the writing, I rarely stick with a show.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that Metatron could take care of all the prophets - I'm quite sure that was a lie.
ReplyDeleteDean is dead for quite some time - and still Cas doesn't come. Sam gets him back to the bunker, drinks quite a bit etc...
Cas barely reacts at all to news of Dean's death - very disappointing.
I'm pulling for Cas to have his grace restored - I've always liked the angel storyline and Cas can't be happy as anything less. He learned to appreciate humans - but wasn't happy as one.
I do think it's a mistake not to kill Metatron - in character or not.
I think we will have to agree to disagree. Swan Song was brilliant in my opinion. This was a hot mess. Cas had plenty of time to get to Dean. Sam had to drive him back to the bunker then spent time drinking and deciding to summon Crowley. The Blade became an addiction, but I stand behind it being the sin of suicide that sent Cain to Hell to become a demon. Metatron set the whole situation up, but there was a moment of genuine surprise too - or bad acting/directing - take your pick. There is repeating themes and then there is ripping off the same tired events. We've already seen try to make a deal to bring Dean back and it not work in season five.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly is Dean proud of?
Cas's reaction remains an understatement for me.
Yep.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree about Tahmoh - just brilliant acting.
ReplyDeleteCan't agree about Dean, however. Making him a demon like that is for me, character assassination.
I do agree that the "proud of us" speech was a huh moment for me.
Homeless people do not have smartphones. They can't even afford food...
Next season is already broken for me, I'm afraid... ;)
ReplyDeleteExcept that Timothy O is a regular on another show next year....
ReplyDeleteAckles and Padalecki are BFF's in real life so I'll say that's not the case.
ReplyDeletethis opens up John becoming gods vessel for future episodes.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your evidence that the way Crowley said those words over Dean wasn't an incantation of some sort?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't rely on Sam to save him - he didn't save Dean from Hell - Cas did.
It's not a "war" or "hate" to criticize bad writing.
I think the Tessa twist was SPN biggest story line stuff up to date.
ReplyDeleteI never suggested they didn't want to work together. Watch what properly?
ReplyDeleteOMG - yes. Metatron's secret power is talking people to death! LOL! Death by monologue!
ReplyDeleteIt shouldn't take this long to figure out the rhythm of a show - you've really hit my pet peeve right on the head! Timothy O has signed on to another show as a regular for next season, so that may really affect his availability and the storyline. Didn't Cain say that he would ask Dean to do something for him? I don't remember him specifying what or when he would have to do it...
ReplyDeleteI agree about Carver's lack of actual substance when it comes to the brothers. You can't give me half conversations and wave your hands around and call it done.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be so sure that the contract wasn't signed - they certainly wouldn't release that information if they wanted to keep you wondering about his fate in the finale.
Completely agree with you here! And I adore naming the season "Good Ideas, Poor Execution" - can I steal this?
ReplyDeleteGadreel became such a wonderful fleshed out character - one who actually did learn from his mistakes! Such a waste.
I completely tuned out of what Metatron was saying. I am loathe to watch the episode again, but suppose that I will have to at some point...
I would have loved to see Cas use the last of his grace to try to save Dean... *sigh*
He could still pop up for one episode.
ReplyDeleteI think those last scenes almost had to just be Sam and Dean. For me it was more fitting.
ReplyDeleteWell if Kripke and the original writing team was in control then I would be super excited.
ReplyDeleteI doubt Kripke would have done the story. Dean went to Hell during his run and it was almost entirely dropped after half a season, other than Dean being told he broke the first seal and that he was weak and pathetic. Kripke only wrote Dean as Sam's big brother.
I actually kind of liked the character Metatron but thought they did a hugely terrible job writing him. Very inconsistent for one. No real goals and he only appeared in a small handful of episodes this entire season.
I think this worked with the character. I actually wish we'd seen him even less. He was best in small doses of craziness and mania. Curtis Armstrong played that so well.
What has always drawn me to the show is Dean - Demon Dean to me is an absolute abomination of the Righteous Man he was supposed to be. The longer it takes to "cure" Dean, the less likely I will be to watch the show. I'm afraid this is a line the show should never have crossed. Kripke would never have written this storyline.
ReplyDeleteMetatron is really a terrible writer... ;)
ReplyDeleteThanks! Such a shame for the one character to show real growth to get killed off. Actually, that's a little unfair as I think Cas really grew this season too.
ReplyDeleteSo many moment in this finale were just head scratchers...
Last scene was Dean and Crowley....
ReplyDeleteReally disagree with how they handled the mytharc for the season. It was much, much too spread out. More consistent writing of Metatron would have helped a lot.
ReplyDeleteDepends on his contract.
ReplyDeleteI think the Righteous Man stuff was ultimately a flip side of what we're seeing now. Factions using and manipulating Dean. In the end the only way for him to become Heaven's idea of righteous was to become a vessel.
ReplyDeleteI feel like this strips Dean down to the basics he's been avoiding and scared of for most of his life. Ideally, he will be able to face them and win.
I mean the scenes where Dean died and Sam went to make the deal.
ReplyDeleteTessa twist? Or complete re-writing of entire reaper mythology?
ReplyDeleteI hate that they assassinated both her and the reaper lore.
ReplyDeleteI thought Dean's role in it was consistent and well-paced, especially compared to most myth arcs on this show. He's been falling apart bit by bit all season.
ReplyDeleteFor me Metatron was consistent - power-mad, insecure, and bizarre. His plans were up in the air because he didn't really have any plans beyond his ego and what it demanded at the time.
But we can agree to disagree.
I'm not even sure what reaper mythology is, tbh. It's changed about 4 times. For me they ruined it with Death.
ReplyDeleteThe tone of how Metatron was written was all over the place.
ReplyDeleteI can respect that. I guess if I watched SPN for consistent writing, I would have stopped after the whole mess in season 3.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I guess I feel like that was intentional, in this case. I do agree the show has a lot of tonal problems and inconsistencies.
ReplyDeleteWe will have to agree to disagree. Making Dean a demon is the ultimate loss. There really is no winning after this.
ReplyDeleteIf he stays a demon, no. If he can come back, I think there could be, but as you said, we'll agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteHaving written detailed analysis/criticism of each season but particularly 1-5, I would disagree with that generalization.
ReplyDeleteAgain, to be clear, for me that is the ultimate loss - it's resisting ever going there that is the only way to win - not coming back from it - that strips something essentially heroic from the character.
ReplyDeleteCas had plenty of time to get to Dean. Sam had to drive him back to the bunker then spent time drinking and deciding to summon Crowley.
ReplyDeleteTrue, but for all we know, that's what Cas was doing. I can't remember where the playground was, but he'd have to drive to the bunker. Sam had already gotten a head start on him there.
We've already seen try to make a deal to bring Dean back and it not work in season five.
He met a crossroads demon and was told it was hopeless, and then we saw him break down and turn to Ruby. This time the focus was more on Dean, and Crowley. I guess the scene was somewhat similar, I just don't think it was a ripoff.
What exactly is Dean proud of?
Always fighting for right and good. Surviving 30-35 years of torment and pain most people can't imagine. Trying to be together at the end, in spite of everything.
The Blade became an addiction, but I stand behind it being the sin of suicide that sent Cain to Hell to become a demon.
For me it's not so much about an addiction (although that was part of it) as the blade making its wielder what it wants him or her to be. And that is a demon. Cain was not like most other demons, probably because the blade made sure of that.
I feel like it's lack of self-worth/identity that have stripped the character of his heroism. He's spent his whole life based on trying to help people, but never to help himself. Once he does start to help himself, then I think he can beat this and become stronger.
ReplyDeleteI do understand why this upsets people and I don't mean to trivialize it. I get it. I had a somewhat visceral reaction to it myself. I apologize.
hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha aaaaaaaaaaaah what are they doing....
ReplyDeleteThe woman who was hit by the car was at the homeless encampment to spread the word.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Ackles had his first kid this season and Padalecki had his second. Which is one of the reasons I think they decided to keep Cas' story separate from them for the most part, so they could get more time off.
ReplyDeleteWell, no the deaths would be meaningless if they didn't stick. But barring the leads, when a character dies it's for good.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know about the smartphones. It was a sad attempt at making fun of the smartphone culture! It's possible the video that went viral made it to news feeds and so those in the homeless camp might have seen it that way, through a shop window etc.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Dean being a demon is character assassination. I do think the steps that led to that point are. I mean, why did he take on the Mark of Cain? If it was to defeat Abbadon, that was just silly because they defeated Abbadon with ease in the previous season. Was it because he was sad that Sam put up those boundaries? If so, that is pretty pathetic.
In relation to the dying, that was also character assassination. I mean, he knocked out Sam so that he couldn't come with him. What happened to partnership, in it together etc? If Deans decision to go alone stems from that dictatorship vibe he has about the relationship, then that is character assassination, and something that most definitely has to be put right next season.
Either way there was no apology. Dean doesn't listen to Sam so if Dean wanted to apologise then he would have.
ReplyDeleteThis whole Dean did it so Sam wouldn't get killed doesn't fly. Sam could get killed on any hunt they go on, and still Dean wants him on hunts.
Crowley said that Sam was summoning him. He might have assumed it was to make a deal but we don't know that it was. Crowley mentioned it was 'expected' but Sam didn't do that the last time he believed Dean was dead so Sam doesn't do what is 'expected'. Sam said that Crowley 'will get him out'. Sounds like he wasn't going to give Crowley a choice.
Supported each other? I saw Sam, once again, put aside everything Dean has said and done to him to be there for Dean. If Dean had said 'Im proud of you' then I might have bought it', but not 'us'. There hasn't been an 'us' between Sam and Dean for a long time.
They were not together for long in season 6 finale.
ReplyDeleteWhere Sam went to summon Crowley. Crowley might have assumed it was in order to make a deal but we certainly don't know that it was. On the contrary, he put what happened to Dean on Crowley, so he was determined Crowley was going to get him out. There was no talk of deals involved.
ReplyDeleteThe decision appeared to me to be trying to protect sam. He calls him his little brother. He is scared about what will happen and wants to make sure sam is ok
ReplyDeleteExcellent review as usual, Lisa. I was amazed that Sam called on Crowley to save Dean instead of trying to call on Cas. Making deals with demons has never worked out well for them so why would this time be any different? I agree with you as I felt like I'd seen a lot of these scenes in past episodes. Not really what I'm looking for when I watch a show.
ReplyDeleteI think it was pretty obvious how this season was going to play out. Dean was paired up with Crowley more than he was with Sam, and you could see how Crowley was subtly leading him down a dark path under the guise of helping him. Crowley saw the wedge between Sam and Dean and worked his way right in, being there whenever Dean needed him.
The whole Metatron storyline was a joke and a disaster from the onset. How could anyone take him seriously as the big bad of the season? Every time I saw him sitting at the typewriter, I thought they've got to be kidding me. If from the very beginning he was out among the masses reeking havoc then I'd be able to understand why they needed to kill him so bad, but most of the season he did nothing.
It's my belief that the whole Dean demon thing is more than likely a spell. The way Crowley said, see what I see, feel what I feel, smacks of a spell. If so then they could do so much with that without destroying the Dean we all know and love. The way it stands now and he is really a demon, and they do somehow save him, they would have successfully destroyed the character. But if Crowley just makes him think he's a demon and he works to fight against the hold of a "spell" and doesn't hurt anyone, he might be able to recover.
I did love Crowley's last scene with Dean when he is talking about Cain. That was probably the best part of the whole show. And I did also like Sam's moment of realization that he could no more let go of Dean than Dean could let go of him. Although his trying to save Dean at the end by summoning Crowley was very predictable as Crowley stated. As soon as Sam said he wouldn't save Dean, that he would let him die, I knew that the time was coming where he would try to save Dean from dying.
I can still recall the gut wrenching feeling I got when the 18 wheeler crashed into the Impala at the end of season 1. That is what I expect from Supernatural, not a dull rehash of everything I've seen before.
Yeah, "L'ironia della sorte" as my co-nationals would say.
ReplyDeleteCarver has twisted everything about the show, and has currently given NO confirmation of the expertise he demonstrated in the those two exemplary episodes.
As for 'Being Human' the show had already been traced out by the UK version so he already knew what was expected.
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SPN was a show about two very human brothers (and Sam was born human, he was infected afterwards) who were brought up in a heart-breaking way, fighting monsters.
I wouldn't have cared which brother got the demon blood, because that wasn't the point. The point was that one brother was there to keep the other human and if it had been Dean who was the demon addict I would have been fine with little brother Sam being the one to keep him from turning into a demon.
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Now Carver with his love for monsters being equal to, or better than, humans has taken Dean, the brother who was the most untouched of the two and made him a demon, the very thing the Winchesters hated most, the thing which killed their grandparents, their mother, their father and all those they loved and respected.
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Carver should NOT have gone down that road, of de-humanising Dean, and I'm convinced he did it just for a cheap thrill at the end of the episode; a ruse used by hack writers.
What he should have been concentrating on was giving us back the brothers as a team and allowing us to glimpse their emotions, fears and hopes as Kripke and Gamble allowed us to witness, not this mania of keeping Sam and Dean as far from each other as he can.
I was amazed that Sam called on Crowley to save Dean instead of trying to call on Cas. Making deals with demons has never worked out well for them so why would this time be any different?
ReplyDeleteCrowley can teleport. Cas can't. Cas' grace is almost gone, as he was barely able to heal Gadreel without passing out. Crowley still has full healing abilities.
How could anyone take him seriously as the big bad of the season?
I don't think we were. I'd say the big bad of the season was the consequence of Dean's choices (with Gadreel and then the mark).
Yes, it was. I really liked her. She was a good character with a feisty yet understanding nature.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I still have problems with the killing of 'dead' supernatural beings in general.
Tessa was never alive, she lived in the spirit dimension, so could she be killed?
Of course canon has been trashed, compliments of Carver, so now anything goes.
The same with demons.
The black smoke is essentially thier soul and I thought souls were indestructable so how can they be destroyed? The same with the purgatory souls, they too should be indestructable. I wonder if they go to the only dimension left in lore, that is LImbo. LOL!
The angels don't have souls so I can get behind the fact that they can be destroyed.
Death is supposed to be the ultimate fear/horror and now it's dispensed with no drama or pathos, diminishing its effect to zero.
ReplyDeleteI would have to say that even if Cas couldn't help him, Sam could have tried to call him and Gadreel. Sam didn't know Gadreel died, and since Metatron didn't come back, they would have to figure he was defeated by Cas and Gadreel. I am guessing with the tablet broken all the angels have regained their powers, except Cas who is without grace, so I would think the more logical, safer bet is to try and have Cas persuade Gadreel into healing Dean.
ReplyDeleteSam is his little brother. That doesn't mean to say that Sam is an incompetent or constantly needs to be protected. It certainly doesn't mean that he gets to make that decision for Sam. Sam has faced off against bigger and better than Metatron and fared very well. Had Sam been allowed to be there this time then it's quite possible that Dean would not have been killed.
ReplyDelete"He is scared about what will happen and wants to make sure sam is ok"
This is the issue I've had since Trial and Error when after constantly hitting Sam about how selfish etc he was for getting out of hunting and being/wanting safe, Dean then wanted to take on the trials so that he could die and THEN Sam could get out of hunting and be safe. He doesn't get to make that decision for Sam. Either Dean sees Sam as his partner and his equal or he does not. He can't have it both ways. If Dean decides that he does have the right to do than then there really is no 'us'.
No, that's a little bit true. Dean had to move on after not finding Sam for a while.
ReplyDeleteVery true. 'Happy' is such a broad word. Dean wasn't happy when Sam was in the Cage but he moved on. He had no choice but to move on. We saw him coping without Sam. It was the same when Sam believed Dean was dead. He moved on, because he had no choice. Sometimes moving on is the best way to honour a person. In both cases we saw them being 'happy' ie at the BBQ or at the picnic etc. But in both cases the 'happiness' was tempered by what they both had lost.
ReplyDeleteI'm still beating this dead horse...and Sam did not even try to get Dean out of Purgatory. :)
ReplyDeleteAs a showrunner, he is a disaster, but most of his writer eps are at the top of my favorite eps list.
ReplyDeleteI was so excited he was coming back to the show, then first ep he throws Sam under the bus and left him there to rot. :(
Yes, he has written some other good episodes, (other than MS and AVSC) such as Death Takes A Holiday, Sin City (which I feel deserves more appreciation than it gets for the dialogue between Dean and the female demon) and Changing Channels which is one of my favourites.
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However I'm beginning to think that Kripke was hanging over his shoulder as he wrote them, for the ability Carver displayed back then in 'getting' the characters and designing lucid and engaging episodes, seems to have disappeared into nothing now.
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It just doesn't seem like the same writer. Either he was getting a helping hand back then or he has decided to change his writing style, prefering monologues à la Metatron instead of giving real insight into the characters he's writing for.
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Whether one liked the finale or not, IMO there's just no comparison with the quality of the writing Carver was producing in the earlier seasons of SPN.
I liked Metatron and for me what made him so scary was he was completely crazy. Just never knew what he was going to do, awful writer though..bring back Chuck. lol
ReplyDeleteSince I loved Feral Dean in Purgatory, where he could just be Dean, I am looking forward to seeing how Demon Dean is played out.
ReplyDeleteThe difference is Dean kept looking and trying to find a way to help Sam get out of the cage..Sam NEVER looked for Dean, he just "ran, hit dog, met girl".
ReplyDeleteCrowley said, "“Your brother, bless his soul, is summoning me as I speak, TO MAKE A DEAL, TO BRING YOU BACK." Plus, Sam told Dean that he LIED when he told him that he wouldn't do whatever it takes to save him.
ReplyDeleteSam locked Dean up, not to "be there for him" and not to support him, but to keep Dean away while he & "his real friends" Castiel and Gadreel planned to take on Metatron. Sam wasn't asked to - and didn't - put anything aside to "be there" for Dean. Sam intended to take out Metatron regardless of what Dean wanted. Not that I blame Sam because I felt he was trying to protect Dean, just as Dean has done for Sam.
And Metatron isn't your typical MOTW. He is essentially God with God like powers. So of course Dean was going to want to stop Sam from confronting him and risking his life. Dean was more powerful due to the MoC/Blade, but Sam wasn't.
Dean has told Sam that he's proud of him. Several times over the years. I think despite all that's happened, there is still an "us." Dean did whatever it took to save Sam in the beginning of the season, and Sam was willing to do whatever it took to save Dean in the end. If he wasn't planning to resurrect Dean, then why would he bring him back to the bunker and actually place him in his bed?
They have BOTH lied to each other over the years, they have BOTH done bad things with good intention, yet later regret. You may not see an "us" between them, but IMO it's definitely still there. And that's what Dean was saying with "I'm proud of US." But I'm bowing out of the discussion now since I'm sure there is nothing that I can say that will make any difference to your very poor opinion of Dean.
Cain said that he would call Dean after Dean killed Abaddon and Dean would kill Cain at that time. That what Cain wanted Dean to do for him.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't "take care" of the prophets. Every time a prophet dies, his "powers" are passed to the next prophet in line. Metatron said that he just had to flip a switch in heaven to stop this "power passage". It make sense: why kill Kevin, if there's another prophet ready? He had the absolute need to be the one and only capable to read the angel's tablet, or one of his brothers could have taken it from him, and then use a new prophet to gain the powers necessary to oppose him.
ReplyDeleteMaybe now that the angels have access to heaven again they could restore the prophet line and then ask to a new prophet torepair and read the angel's tablet...
Ah. Yes. I agree that is why he had to kill Kevin. Now that he doesn't have the absolute power of the tablet, it would make sense for the next prophet to gain his/her power. Of course, there's no telling what the writers will think makes sense...
ReplyDeleteOr if they remember the "I flipped a switch in heaven and now "no more prophets" " line, like I do...
ReplyDeleteI think the writers were meaning it as a twist to Tessa not reapers.
ReplyDeleteGreat synopsis! Agree completely.
ReplyDeleteI think this episode really resurrected that dead horse. Makes even less sense now that Sam didn't try at all to get his brother back.
ReplyDeleteQuite possible, but then that is a director's mistake not to make that a lot more obvious. I watched the episode multiple times and still didn't get that significant point... Of course, the writing is so sloppy, my first instinct is just that they flubbed it at this point...
ReplyDeleteUtterly ruining the foundation on which the show was built. At this point, my strongest wish if for season 10 to be the last...
ReplyDeleteYour logic is perfect here as always B! And as someone I respect as a writer, you totally get it.
ReplyDeleteThanks B! I love and agree with everything you say here. The moments between the brothers as Dean is dying were well done. However, I didn't feel the power of the emotions from even the actors as I did in S1, 2, and 3. Megatron was definitely a joke. Just contrast him with Chuck - it's night and day. Thanks for seeing what I was talking about with Crowley - and explaining it much better than I did in the review! The cadence and the words = spell - at least for me!
ReplyDeleteI'm not one of those Destiel shippers that say "ooooh, Dean changed the color of his ipod: surely it's because of his undying love for Cas!" or " Cas got rid of his tie: he is so in love with Dean!" or worse: "look, Dean/Cas breathed in that photo-gram: that's canon destiel!" but even my non destiel shipper husband, my non destiel shipper male bestfriend and my homophobic cousin had to say, after the last two episodes, "ok, Castiel is in love with Dean Humanity Wincester". Spontaneously (this is the funny part) and without knowing anything about the whole cast teasing Misha about Castiel's heaven. I have to thank Metatron for that, but Metatron is the Spn writers' counterpart in the show...so I really thank the writers. I don't think they could have been clearer than that, all considering. Funny it took them two episodes and a syllogism, but they did say "Cas is in love with Dean". And Cas didn't deny it, but it would have been useless, he is a terrible liar, Sammy was right about that. ;)
ReplyDeleteLook that scene again: when Metatron was twirling the angel's blade around, Cas’ eyes fell on the tip of it, that was covered in blood... Dean’s blood. I didn't notice it at first, because it's a very quick scene (Metatron says "He is dead" and the next moment he ties Cas to the chair and approaches to kill him with the very same blade he used for Dean...in that scene Cas had tears in his eyes. I don't know if he didn't go to Sam because he couldn't (how far from the bunker was the heaven's door?somebody knows?) or because he believed that was a useless thing to do...I think we will see that in season 10. But a big girlish scene of desperation would have been totally ooc: he is a soldier, used to be careless about his death (and other humans death). I appreciated his quiet pain.
I wonder why Sammy didn't try to contact Cas and the angels before turning to a demon.
Yes, thank you.
ReplyDeleteI noticed only now that she is the same woman Metatron used to let Dean and Sam know where he had decided to face Dean.
But let's talk about reality: if a clean and nice lady goes into a hobo-camp showing a cellphone with a video, how many people would consider her? That was lame and complicated, Marv, next time, just send Dean the glove of defiance with an address embroidered on it.
But how would Crowley be sure that Sam was summoning him in order to make a deal? He didn't make a deal the last time Dean died. Crowley cited 'predictable' but it was not predicable because he didn't do it before.
ReplyDeleteSam also locked Dean up because he was intent on killing Gadreel, the one angel who could have helped them stop metatron.
Lucifer isn't your typical MOTW either, and Sam managed fine against him.
As long as Dean feels he alone has the right to make decisions for Sam then I feel there can be no 'us'. Dean died with the MOC on his arm. Sam knew that Dean was not in for a peaceful heavenly afterlife. He also knew that Crowley was involved, that's the reason he summoned him to 'get Dean out'. Note that Sam did not say 'bring him back'. And I don't think that Sam would have left Dean where he lay!
Yes, they both have lied and done bad things with good intent, especially to each other. However, we also see months of Dean kicking Sam to the kerb about Sam's 'bad things', yet Dean's 'bad things' rarely get the time of day. We saw the same thing this episode. Everything Dean said and did this season has been handwaved away so nothing that led to him making these decisions has been sorted out. It's not that I have a poor opinion of Dean, I don't. I'm just sick of the blatant handwaving away of what he does, especially if it pertains to Sam whereas if Sam sets one foot out of line with Dean he's hung, drawn and quartered for it, by the show and by the fans. I'd like a bit more equality in that regard..
We will have to agree to disagree about the "size" of Cas's reaction. BUT the biggest thing that you do point out here is that Cas is in love with HUMANITY - something he has been criticized for almost since the beginning. It is his profound bound with Dean that really created it and having Cas become human helped to solidify it. BUT they have now killed their symbol of humanity by making him a demon. So you make me like that speech a little more - and therefore the episode - but then the ending just spits all over that. Basically, humanity is worthless.
ReplyDeleteThey assassinated her character. That wasn't a twist, it was a salt 'n burn. What happened to the pragmatic, strong reaper? In many ways, it's the same assassination they've slowly pulled off with Dean.
ReplyDeleteMaybe now he believes that it is in his best interest to be an angel like the others, and finally stop suffering like we humans do. Like Crowley, (oh, I hope we will see again Crowley's son!) he can't stand human feelings anymore. I don't think he will be capable of being an angel like he was before saving Dean years ago, though. The truth is that he is no angel, like he said to April...and not because of the loss of his grace, but because his attitude to use a free will he wasn't even supposed to posses.
ReplyDeleteepic dean vs sam series finale would be great.
ReplyDeleteHe did not see a body, so just oh well Dean is dead. Yep that is the Sam we got last year.
ReplyDeleteI think the show once had a character (Cas, maybe?) ask the philosophical question of what happens when you kill somehting that already inhabits one of the realms of the dead 9e.g. demon, angel, spirit etc.), but there was never any further exploration of the question that I recall. I'd love to see it explored further, even if only to make clear that the answer is that killing such things completely obliterates them. Though given that some of them ahve been killed and brought back, that answer seems unlikely....
ReplyDeleteI would have to say that even if Cas couldn't help him, Sam could have tried to call him and Gadreel.
ReplyDeleteGadreel would still have to drive to get there. Crowley doesn't. He knew time was of the essence, most likely (that was if he was even trying to make a deal).
I thought Curtis Armstrong did well with the crazy eyes and faces. Most of the time he was a gnat but when he scared me, he really did.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have cared which brother got the demon blood, because that wasn't the point. The point was that one brother was there to keep the other human and if it had been Dean who was the demon addict I would have been fine with little brother Sam being the one to keep him from turning into a demon.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting, because I felt like the point of that story was that Dean couldn't keep Sam human. Then the narrative actually blamed Dean for that.
Tessa unfortunately became a plot device in her last appearance in season 6. The same ended up happening in her final episode.
ReplyDeleteI meant the rewrite that claimed he and Mary were unhappy and he'd abandoned the family.
ReplyDeleteJohn being God's vessel would be very very interesting.
I'm not going to ramble,although I surely could,I'm just going to say I'm a die hard fan of the show and the actors and I absolutely loved it.Was it their best,no,but it certainly wasn't boring or just same old,same old.It was a great finale and I can't wait for season 10.Carry on...
ReplyDeleteIf I were the writers of the show, I'd have Crowley doing all the bad things he does, and have Dean believe he was the one doing them. Then Crowley could sit back and watch Dean's torment over what he thinks he's done. If his soul is still intact, the guilt Dean would feel would be unbearable, and a demon would thrive on it more so than just turning him into a demon who without a soul couldn't feel anything for the things he's done. And let's face it, he's Crowley, he loves screwing with the Winchesters.
ReplyDeleteOH! I love that idea!!!
ReplyDeleteI guess I just had much higher expectations (heaven knows why, after the incosnistencies and weaknesses of the season as a whole). When Metatron was first introduced, I found the idea really interesting: a character totally motivated by narrative. I suppose if the point was that Metatron just never really got what narrative was about--that he was a writer wannabe rather than the real deal--the ultimate and essential lameness of his master plan (take over heaven, kick all the angels out . . . then get bored, try to win all the angels back while also declaring himself God, and deciding that what God would do would be to hang out in a dump with the homeless and then just wait for Dean Winchester to show up) would make more sense. But, if that was the point, then he represents a pretty pathetic sort of adversary, and all his careful and elaborate earlier machinations then seem inconsistent with what happens. One of the things I used to admire about Supernatural was how the writers had Sam and Dean succeed because they were able to outmenouever their enemies not merely by being good fighters but by outthinking them. I began to look forward to the clever twist that would get them out of their current apparently inescapable predicament. That seems to have fallen away . . . and in a story very much about narrative as a form and as a way of understanding and representing reality, that seems like a pretty major failing. Instead of genuine cleverness, we get the overt lifting of worn-out devices from pop fiction: Metatron using gimmicks from Lord of the Rings and Indiana Jones, Cas using gimmicks from Star Wars. Fun as these were, they just seemed like obvious and lazy ways of "exploring" the whole idea of the guy who has read literally every book that ever existed as villain. And when the guy who has read literally every book who was ever written can't come up with a better plot than THIS. . . . I grant you, the show set itself a pretty much unmeetable challenge with this scenario, but I don't think they even failed well in their attempt to achieve it.
ReplyDeleteGiven the world they live in, don't you think it would have been a good idea for Sam to have at least verified that?
ReplyDeleteBig difference between resigned and happy.
ReplyDeleteCrowley says Sam is summoning him to make a deal.
ReplyDeleteAt one time, I would have said the ending had to be Butch and Sundance or Thelma and Louise. But now, Alien vs Predator is about what the writing has come down to....
ReplyDeleteThat threw me a little too....
ReplyDeletesince when are reaper's Angels?
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ReplyDeleteDon't even get me started on Tessa! I was so ticked at that reaper angel nonsense! As you said, Tessa's true form is a ghost-like figure. She made herself look like a human girl. She never possessed anyone!
ReplyDeleteMe too! I'm not sure why Carver & Co. were so insistent on morphing reapers into angels. I liked them as separate, distinct beings/creatures.
ReplyDeleteDean as a demon? Seriously? I cannot imagine the powers that be will stoop to a wise cracking bad ass terrifying Dean just for a change of pace or a mix up of players. The only way this torment will work is if Dean is restored to his humanity and it brings him some redemption; to a new heightened sense of self and keener understanding of his brother and other relationships. This show is cemented with the two brothers bonded by extreme life experience and the intricacies of their unique, individual personalities and intelligence. Dean as evil incarnate, decimates his being and the premise of this epic journey- brothers keeping each other human while living the life.... hunting monsters, saving people...... you know. Please bring Dean back before the end of season 10. We spent our time in season 9 suffering along with angry jacked up Dean and the bickering brothers.... can we get back to enjoying an intense, interesting, complex, humorous, philosophical, brotherly, sexy, rocked out story with the real HUMAN Sam and Dean. There are other places to go and things to do ...... work to be done... they are Men of Letters after all, just sitting on or rather living in the quintessential power house of Supernatural knowledge.
ReplyDeleteThe angels loss of wings/weakend state had nothing to do with the tablet, it was the spell that did that. Metatron was just using the tablet to juice himself up on the power side of things.
ReplyDeleteIt would technically touch on Kripke's originally intent for the end of the series, Sam vs. Dean.
ReplyDeleteReally? I picked up on the first watch. Sam told Dean that Metatron whispered to the woman his next location he was going to be in. And then we see her stand up for him in the encampment, and being the cleanest looking person their kinda made her stand out.
ReplyDeleteHow do you 'verify' a death when you can bring people back to life?
ReplyDeleteProbably because Sam didn't know Dean was in Purgatory, he believed he was dead.
ReplyDeleteCrowley is assuming Sam is summoning him to make a deal. He believes it 'predictable'. But Sam hasn't been 'predictable' in a long time.
ReplyDeleteI think Sam called on Crowley because it was Crowley who got Dean 'into this', therefore he was going to be the one to 'get him out'.
ReplyDeleteSo far, you are the _only_ person to have mentioned this. It's still a direction problem (or possibly editing if those scenes were cut) if 99% of your audience hasn't had enough establishing shots to recognize the character. She was, after all, not clean (covered in blood) most of the time we see her in the first scene.
ReplyDeleteHe was able to verify where Dean was in 2.01 with a Ouija board. I'm betting there is a spell to determine where someone's soul ends up. And you rather prove my point. If you can bring someone back to life, surely it's a piece of cake to figure out if they are actually dead...
ReplyDeleteSo he was summoning him to have tea? I think the parallels between Sam here and Dean in 2.21 are just too striking. Sitting drinking whiskey, laying the body out on the bed.
ReplyDeleteAgree! Taking the brother who has always been the heart of humanity for the show and making him a demon??? Stripping him of what made him Dean - his humanity - is such a gigantic mistake. To have him survive 40 years in Hell without becoming a demon - even while spending 10 years as a torturer? That strength and essential part of his being is now completely meaningless. I feel like that 1 second wiped out everything that was good about seasons 4 and 5.
ReplyDeleteI don't see what happens to souls of the dead as a philosophical question but more of a practical one.
ReplyDeleteIf it's possible to kill souls then there has to be an explanation.
Either souls don't get to live for all eternity, and we have been told that this is the case, as Sam was slated to be tortured for all eternity in the Cage, yet as we see, demon souls can be destroyed.
Of course if we were ever going to explore this aspect of SPN, it would have been with Kripke or Sera. These writers couldn't explain how to make a cup of coffee, yet alone something like this, so I suppose we will have to live with the mystery.
Me too, especially since there was no reason to.
ReplyDeleteIn the canon-trashing Taxi Driver they could have used some other twist to get Sam into Purgatory without warping the reaper lore with a 'rogue reaper'.in the first place
But what they did with Tessa enters again into one of those 'shock' moments, which are put there just to pad out the poor story telling.
I really liked Tessa. She wasn't an angel, she was a reaper. Period!
They did the same thing in Clip Show, killing off characters just for the shock value. Crowley showed his true evil colours in that episode, and now we probably have him teaming up with demon Dean in season ten,after all the bad he has done to the brothers.
Oh well, monsters, demons and angels always get pardoned, whatever they do, while Sam and Dean have to suffer painfully for every little thing they do wrong. Rather unfair in my book.
I never found that the narrative blamed Dean for not keeping his brother human. He did nothing else but try to save Sammy and he succeeded, for Sam never did become a demon despite his blood addiction.
ReplyDeleteStrange how things turn out, that now with a few words on a script Carver made Dean into one!
WHY did he believe that?? No body and he did not think he was dead when he disappeared in Time After Time, he got Jody to help find him.
ReplyDeleteI thought that was one of the main focuses of Fallen Idols. That Dean had failed Sam and led him to Ruby, the blood, etc. But I haven't watched it in years, as I disliked it, so I may be wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe WHY is irrelevant, the fact is he did, and it's the reason he didn't try to get him out. He made a mistake, a similar mistake Dean made with Mrs Tran.
ReplyDeleteNot even close, you don't try and find out what happened to your BROTHER?? You think that is the same as Mrs. Tran?
ReplyDelete@Lisa one of us on twitter asked to robbie thompson why Cas didn't go to Sam.
ReplyDeleteHe answered "It's a long drive!"
We asked that to one of the writers Yesterday and he answered: "Crowley got Dean into this, so he was looking for the source".
ReplyDeleteYou win ;)
Sam said he imploded.
ReplyDeleteAnd the actions are the same. The both erroneously believed someone was dead when they were not. The person they believed was dead is what was different.
I could sort of understand why Sam didn't look for Dean, but I think the show did a piss-poor job of providing a plausible internal rationale for it.
ReplyDeleteGranted, but it would have been nice to see something--at least a line of dialogue or two--indicating that he wished he could. Given what a big deal the show made of how much Dean means to Cas and all, something explicit would have been . . . helpful.
ReplyDeleteI think they'll explain better in the first episode of the next season...When Cas&Gadreel arrived at the playground there wasn't the name of the city in a caption, like they always show when the boys reach a new city...so I wonder: where was that place? ;(
ReplyDeleteNo, you remember correctly. Sam specifically told Dean that Dean was part of the reason he went with Ruby, citing that Dean was too overbearing and controlling. Hence, going with Ruby allowed Sam to be his own man, supposedly.
ReplyDeleteWell . . . exactly. In a universe in which Sam and Dean ought to know that even death is no barrier to returning--between the two of them, they've been to pretty much every post-life realm there is, right? they've both died and returned more than once--Sam simply throwing up his hands and walking away could have been given a lot more explanation. I personally never had a huge problem with it--I could understand how devastating the experience was and how just running away might seem like the only option--but I totally understand the perspective of those who argue that it was major-league OOC for Sam to do that. And I DO think the show could have done a lot more to make that reponse palatable to the audience . . . assuming they wanted it to be palatable to the audience....
ReplyDeleteIf memory serves (and it may not) whoever briefly brought it up--I'm picturing Cas in Purgatory--said it was "an interesting philosophical question," but yes, it is also very much a practical one! lol!
ReplyDeleteYes, the end of Abaddon was also pretty disappointing.
ReplyDeleteAll they would have needed was one line..I did look, found nothing.
ReplyDeleteThat was never Kripke's intent. He's said on many occasions it would be Butch and Sundance - the boys going out together.
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