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Supernatural 9.22 "Stairway to Heaven" Review: Turn About And No Fair Play

14 May 2014

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     This week’s episode of Supernatural, “Stairway to Heaven,” was written by Andrew Dabb and directed by Guy Norman Bee. Bee is one of my favorite directors, and he does his usual terrific job, delivering a well paced episode with some really great performances. He has a great eye for what Supernatural viewers want to see. Dabb, on the other hand, is one of my least favorite writers, and this episode will go down as one of my least favorite yet.

    I can’t begin to discuss the things that I liked about the episode without first addressing the complete disaster Dabb made of Tessa (Lindsey McKeon). The last time we saw her – and remember we’ve seen her several times over the years – “In My Time of Dying,” “Death Takes a Holliday,” and “Appointment in Samarra” – she has always been a reaper – NOT an angel as she appears to be in this episode. In past episodes, Tessa could only be seen by those who were dead or very close to dead as she was beyond the veil. Suddenly, she has a corporeal form? And the most glaring hole in this whole mess? If Tessa, a mere reaper, is distressed by the screaming of the souls locked out of heaven, what does Death think of it? For that matter, Death would be very put out to have had Tessa killed or made a pawn of Metatron’s (Curtis Armstron).

    In general, I’ve never cared for Dabb’s characterization of the brothers. Dean (Jensen Ackles) generally comes across as a blood-thirsty, not very smart, goon while Sam (Jared Padalecki) is a broody, petulant teenager. While the Mark can be held responsible for some of those traits in Dean, the exaggerated characterization is simply Dabb’s vision.

    Once again, as in recent episodes, I felt that the tone of the episode was uneven. Some of the scenes just felt like the show wasn’t taking itself seriously anymore, such as Metatron’s planted heaven. The show has always been able to blend humor with horror seamlessly, but that ease seemed lacking in this episode. Metatron has come to simply be the angelic version of Crowley (Mark Sheppard), but Crowley was better written to be funny, sarcastic, and menacing. Maybe it is the sweater that’s the problem.

    The episode does showcase that Dean is really feeling the effects of the Mark now. He seems to be loathe to leave the Blade behind even when Sam cautions him that they really don’t know enough about the Blade other than they know that magic of this kind always comes with a high price. We see that Dean isn’t sleeping, and Sam tells Cas (Misha Collins) that Dean seems amped up. Cas remarks that Dean seems even more violent than usual. In fact, while Dean does get physical in the interrogation of Dr Flagstaff (Kaaren de Zilva), he doesn’t actually harm her. He doesn’t actually kill Tessa – she essentially drives the Blade into herself – and Dean doesn’t appear to take any pleasure in that kill. He certainly doesn’t act like he’s taking a hit of something intoxicating as it’s seemed at other times he’s used the Blade.

    Sam does have to pull Dean out of the angel crowd when Dean starts enumerating Cas’s prior misdeeds in front of them. On the other hand, we also know that the angels are completely aware of all of Cas’s past deeds, and Dean has never been the master of tact. The fact that Cas can fight is one of the reasons the angels wanted to follow him in the first place. When Sam pulls them all into Cas’s office, he tells Dean to stow his baggage. We know that Dean was deeply hurt by Cas’s betrayal, but it seemed they had gotten over it before this. Dean does stow his baggage, and in fact, shows compassion for Cas later in the episode. Dean doesn’t show as much compassion for Sam, however, telling him that until Metatron is dead, they aren’t in a partnership, it’s a dictatorship. At which point, Sam flounces off to his bedroom – really?

    Metatron continues to write his own story, this time flipping the script. We see Metatron trying on a trench coat that looks suspiciously like Cas’s. We learn later that Gadreel (Tahmoh Penikett) is the one to have recruited Tessa and the other bombers, but Tessa tells Dean that it was Cas who told her she was strong and gave her a purpose to die. So, was Tessa lying or did Metatron appear to them as Cas? Metatron asks Gadreel why Cas is so popular. He doesn’t understand the “lovefest” over him. He also bemoans that he never thought Cas would actually be good at leading an army. I really liked how much Penikett reminded me of Cas in this episode. He completely misses the nuances of “give me a second” for which Metatron chastises him for being such an angel. It felt very much as if he’d just hit his stride with Gadreel only for us to lose him.

    It seemed pretty obvious to me that Metatron himself was behind the bombings and suicides. Metatron also changes up his favorite metaphor – everything is like writing – to it’s all a game. They are playing checkers while he’s playing Monopoly. Angels like rules that they can rely upon, however. Metatron really is used to dealing with angels who don’t really like free will – it’s one way for him to undermine Cas after all. He may know the story but not appreciate how much Sam and Dean – and Cas – Team Free Will – don’t play by any set of rules.

    Metatron does plant the seed of doubt in Cas’s followers. It’s interesting that they are more interested in Cas lying about his stolen grace than where he actually got it. And is it really a lie if the subject never came up? However, it would seem to be more troubling that Cas killed an angel to get it. Regardless, Hannah (Erica Carroll) asks Cas for proof that they should follow him. Cas tells them to name it, and they tell him to punish Dean. We’ve seen that the angels have been banding against Dean since he interrogated Dr Flagstaff. Even in the interrogation she tells him that she hates men like him. Dean tells her “there are no men like me” which is true at this point except for Cain. When Sam and Cas return from looking for Josiah (Vaughn Jones), they find the angels have handcuffed Dean to a chair and duct taped his mouth shut for killing Tessa– after a struggle to do so as evidenced by Dean’s bloody nose. In the end, even though Cas takes the angel blade from Hannah, he can’t hurt Dean. And that’s the thing that really convinces Dean that Cas has been telling the truth about the suicide bombers.

    Sam and Cas go after Josiah the mole. Dean sends Sam to help Cas, though Cas at first thinks it’s because Dean doesn’t trust him. However, this really seemed a bit pointless in the end – though it provided a nice showcase for Cas’s new pop culture savvy. It was nice to see Sam and Cas working together. It’s funny when neither of them can open the door and then they work together with Cas finding and translating the Enochian riddle and Sam solving it. Hilarious – Why was 6 afraid of 7. Because 7 ate (8) 9. The best part is easily Cas drawing the parallel to the Gates of Durin in The Lord of the Rings. This is closely followed by the “only the penitent may pass” Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade reference.

    They find Josiah badly burned but he refuses to let Cas heal him. He accuses Cas of playing at being noble and playing at being one of them. This is a nice echo of Metatron’s playing metaphor. Josiah says he can’t see an angel staring back at him from Cas’s eyes. Is Cas’s grace that low? He did think he could heal Josiah after all and that would have needed quite a bit of grace. Regardless, Josiah’s rejection is the beginning of the end.

    There are some good performances in this episode, especially from Misha Collins, Jensen Ackles, Jared Padalecki and Tahmoh Penikett. Penikett is great as his facial expression slowly changes so that he looks like there’s a bad smell in the room every time he’s with Metatron. Collins is terrific in this episode as Cas moves through a myriad of emotions. He’s very much the reluctant leader and is still constantly looking for Dean’s approval. It’s nice to see that Sam and Cas now have a more supportive relationship. They had a definite comfort with each other in the car scene. I also loved Sam likening Cas to either a rock star or Elrond - another Lord of the Rings reference. Cas is also crushed by the loss of his followers, but he also remains determined to right his mistake with Metatron. Loved the scene between Dean and Cas at the end. It’s telling, however, that even as he tells Cas he believes him and smiles, the smile doesn’t reach his eyes.

    The final scene has strong performances by all four actors, but especially Ackles and Penikett. Gadreel confirms that the bombers were Metatron’s and tries to offer his help. He tells them that he knows he’s made mistakes but they all have. His earnestness is almost painful to watch. The most shocking part of the entire episode is when Dean goes to shake Gadreel’s hand – the universal gesture of peace – and then blindsides him with the First Blade, slashing his chest open – and possibly killing him.

    Dean had sworn to kill Gadreel, but he forfeits a real chance to get the best of Metatron here as he is completely subsumed by his bloodlust. Sam and Cas have to hold him back and he looks and sounds more like an out of control hellhound than the Dean we know. The question has to be raised now as to whether there is any way for Sam or Cas to really control Dean – or if he can even control himself.

    There were other nice moments in the episode such as when Sam and Dean arrive at the crime scene to find that their new aliases are Spears and Aguilera. Cas is so proud of himself for having noticed they like to use rock stars and actually having the knowledge to play into that... Unfortunately, Cas still has no taste in music... or at least not classic rock. I'm always going to appreciate a Deathstar reference. While I didn’t much care for the “Bowling for Followers” segment – Bowling for Dollars was a longstanding show on television that ran from 1972 – 2008 – Tyrus calling Metatron a nerd is a nice shout out to Armstrong’s part in Revenge of the Nerds.It's also hard to be in a bowling alley and not think of The Big Lebowski. And Tyrus seemed like a dude determined to abide.

    For me this was a disappointing episode. The season was supposed to bring the brothers back together in a more mature relationship, and they seem farther apart than ever with only one episode to go – and we all know it’s going to end on a horrible cliffhanger. At least we do know that Misha Collins has signed on as a regular for next season – and hopefully he’ll be a more regular presence than he was this season. What did you think of the episode? Were you bothered by the inconsistencies with past episodes, or am I making too much out of that? Do you think Sam will be able to keep Dean under control? Do you think Castiel’s grace will hold out – at least until the end of the season? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!

108 comments:

  1. I too wonder what Death thinks of all of this, but then again, Death has always been portrayed as someone that just wants to view the action and not do anything about it. Yes, he finally did help out the brothers in trying to send the monster souls back to Purgatory, but Death always seemed like he would just sit back and what the commotion, much like God. I would, however, like to see his point of view after Tessa's death.


    And the only thing I can think of is that reapers are a section of angels, known as reapers, but nonetheless, it would've been helpful for us to find this out in this episode or before and not just have some nonchalant conversation between Tessa and Dean where Dean didn't even seemed confused about Tessa being an angel.

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  2. Divine Descent14 May 2014 at 19:09

    Agree that there are some flaws (Tessa), but in my opinion this was one of the few good episodes this season. Dean is supposed to be turning into a 'blood thirsty goon' and to repair a relationship, it must be torn down first. I am finally seeing hints of the show I used to love... thanks to Dabb's writing.

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  3. I just want Sam and Dean to deal with each other before fixing heaven and saving the world..

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  4. Sammy has been poorly written for 22 episodes this year, I don't think you should blame only Dabb.

    In the "this is a dictatorship" scene I really really hoped for a punch in Dean's face.

    It seems to me that the writers are unable to handle the brothers together or the brothers and Cas, without ruining one of the three.



    Oh, and the fact that reapers are now angels isn't new, they made that mistake in other episodes (maybe we should link them the superwikia...)

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  5. I can't decide if this is good or bad news, but it seems the writer Robbie Thompson has left the show and will be doing a Stephen king show on TNT. Bad because I actually usually like his episodes, and he seemed to remember that the show existed before this batch of writers were set on. Good because it means that there is space for a really really really good writer that can make up for all of the crap.

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  6. I didn't enjoy this week's episode as much as I enjoyed last week's episode. The issue with Tessa really bothered me. I know that we have seen rogue reapers before outside the veil, but not Tessa. Also, she was too compassionate and tenderhearted to ever obey anyone but Death. I can't believe she would have been recruited by Metatron, even thinking it was for Castiel. Also, as you mentioned in your article, I can understand Death not caring about the events in heaven until now. But since closing heaven caused all the souls to be shut out, I think Death would have stepped in long before now. Even if he hadn't, he definitely would have stepped in when Metatron involved Tessa. I liked Tessa and I don't see how her role in this episode (especially her death) helped further the storyline. The point was made with the angel in the ice cream store and with the angel at the bowling alley that they were killing "for Castiel". Tessa has never had any interactions with Cas before, so why bring her up? Her roles have been too significant before now to see her killed when the point could have been made some other way.

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  7. I agree with you. I thought this was a good episode and that Dabbs did a great job of writing it. It did have some flaws but it was closer to the show I love also.

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  8. Thanks for the review.
    Overall I liked the ep. Yeah, the whole ordeal w/ Tessa reaper/angel (huh?!) was a big screw-up, also her completely pointless death (another Sarah Blake *eyesroll*), but the move in the plot was so exciting and refreshing after those crappy eps that I can close my eyes on it!

    I agree, Guy Bee did another excellent job, and the acting was absolutely wonderful. I really couldn't guess what Cas might do when asked to kill Dean and for the first time after much time the ep seemed to be flying at top speed (absolutely no boredom) and I didn't want it to end.

    One thing that you mentioned too, Dean didn't hurt anyone during the ep, he was angry but he had complete control, so his sudden attack on Gadreel kinda didn't match up. I know they wanted to set the things for the finale, but I say they should have approached it better.

    About the brothers, from what was said in the latest convention, it seems they won't get together in the finale. Actually I'm OK w/ that, I can't stand another sappy meaningless little conversation like in Sacrifice. They ruined the bro bond that badly that I believe there must be a road to reconciliation not a lame dialog. I predict we'll see true reconciliation in ep #200 :)

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  9. Or dividing his eps between the disaster duo and another genius! No, I won't risk it, I'd rather keep him ;)

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  10. Thompson leaving, Edlund said "thanks but thanks", who is left? And bringing new writers to 10 years old show? Oh my, I have very bad feelings about it. We haven't seen bad yet.

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  11. The episode wasn't bad but wasn't that good either. I am starting to grow really tired of the recons which appear to be happening now in almost every single episode. Pretty soon I feel like everything from the first 5 seasons will have been reconned.

    It's also strange that they seem to kill off every character people like or kill them off when unlikable characters finally start becoming likable. I never seen a show do this before so often as Supernatural. Also does every single new character introduced in a season have to die by season's end?

    As far as Castiel's Grace, I full expect he will get his original grace back either by the end of the finale or sometime early in season 10. I actually was enjoying human Cas earlier in the season and found him more interesting during that time period. I would be happy if Cas went back to being a human hunter or something and they finally moved away from the angel/demon story line. Not going to happen though. We'll get angel/demon stories year after year until the fans can't take it anymore and they stop watching and the ratings fall low enough for the CW to end it. Carver won't let us have a new story. NO FUN ALLOWED!

    Kind of interested in the Dean going darkside plot but I can see them messing it up easily as well. Could it play an interesting new dynamic for season 10? Could a Sam/Castiel/Crowley team up against an Evil Dean, King of Hell work? Sounds like it would make for an interesting twist and at least keep things feeling a little fresh.

    I want a major change and story mix up for season 10. Even if they plan on keeping the same tired angel/demon story plot, find a way to make it more interesting instead of just the usual boring villainy.

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  12. OneStoryteller14 May 2014 at 21:19

    I actually really enjoyed this episode (Even though Andrew Dabb is not one of my favorite writers; he's one step above the dreaded duo.) One of his biggest flaws is failure to stick to canon and as you point out, he does it here with Tessa = reaper/angel. However, even while I was rolling my eyes, I guess in my head, I wrote off the "flub" thinking that maybe reapers are special kinds of angels. Admittedly, it did not occur to me at all what Death would be thinking of the whole situation.


    I've been thinking for the past few episodes that we're not going to get the brotherly resolution we were hoping for by the season finale (they definitely ran out the clock with too many "meaningless" episodes--despite the fact that I enjoyed many of the stand-alones). BUT I've seen enough glimmers of hope/promise that I'm thinking we'll perhaps see something early next season. Depending, of course, on how the finale rolls out.



    I admit, my heart is filled with dread with where they're taking Dean. But I can't
    help but think of the old adage--be careful what you wish for because you just
    might get it. For so long people proclaimed they wanted Dean to have a
    storyline, an arch, a chance to do something other than be Sam's sidekick
    brother. Well, we got what we wished for. And it is every bit as thrilling as we
    hoped. But...ahhhhh, but...it came with a price--a terrible price. We've
    watched OUR Dean disintegrate before our eyes. I truly am hoping that Sam (and Cas?) will save him. It's time for SAM to
    be Dean's stone number one. We NEED to see

    that. If the writers fail in
    that--well, then they're no better than Metatron at telling a story.


    Speaking of Metatron: Metatron smarmily thinks he's so cunning and yet he's really just a cut-rate angel nerd/narcissist who takes pleasure and gains power simply from hurting and manipulating people, places, and things. He's the kind of guy who badly wants to be just like the cool kid--say, Crowley or Cas--but--not matter what he does--can never quite measure up to the task so keeps grasping at more and more straws. Which to me is what makes him dangerous.



    I agree with that one angel, I hate
    Metatron's face. He annoys me and angers me beyond reason. Which is exactly
    what a good bad guy is supposed to do. But all bad guys must meet their
    appropriate end, and I'm hoping Metatron meets his in an EPIC way.



    I'm looking forward to the season finale.

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  13. I know it's mostly been done, but I would be happy with the monster of the week episodes like in the first seasons. The camaraderie and devotion that Sam and Dean shared, both to each other and to the hunt was a lot of fun.

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  14. There was so much messed up in this episode, but I'm not going to go into it all. I don't think that the reapers are angel stuff can go unmentioned, though, so I will say that that part just made me mad. The reaper's are angels now just makes me mad, and I don't mind they killed of Tessa, because they messed up her character.
    I liked the Dean in this episode, and I hope that when this is done the confidence we see in him is permanent. It's unfortunate that they had to give Dean a curse to get him back to the character he started out to be -- edgy, the darkest character in SPN, an actual tough top-shelf hunter that I would expect to see in a show where the leads are supposed to be fighting the top-shelf supernatural. I know the intention was to show Dean getting out-of-control, and the last shot sure did that.
    I also think Dean's scenes salvaged the episode. The Dean/Tessa, Dean/Sam, Dean/Cas and Dean/cult angels all brought the tension I would expect in the next to last episode of the season and JA gave another excellent performance showing the full range of Dean. And I do agree that the Guy Norman Bee's direction was excellent.
    The episode actually left me confused, as is what happens when canon is not adhered to. Definitely a mixed bag for me, but disappointment isn't descriptive enough. I am mad that the serious problem in the writers room that we all saw last year is getting even worse. It's harming the show that fans have loved and stuck by for almost a decade.

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  15. I loved this episode, except pissed about Tessa dying. I am not too bothered about the whole reapers are angels thing as I just tend to not mind about things like that. I do not get thought why people think that Sam went off in a sulk. Dean walked away from him and Sam obviously decided there was no point in confronting him and sohe went to his room to put his bag away. if he did go to sulk, it was the shortest sulk in history as he was back two minutes later. I loved the way Sam is getting worried about Dean. Allin all I really enjoyed this episode and cannot wait for the finale.

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  16. I agree they messed up with Tessa, but I still think she is a reaper and the only reason they said Angel was because sometimes reapers are referred to as Angels of death. I mean, she did say she can hear all the souls who are tortured because they can't get to Heaven and it's driving her insane because it's her job and she can't do it, so far as I knew, Angels don't carry souls in this universe.


    Dean is starting to scare me and I don't know if they (Sam and Cas) will be able to help him unless they get that mark off of him somehow.


    Still not too keen on Cas being pop culture savvy, I liked the Aguilera and Spears bit but I always enjoyed Cas not understanding the references; whenever he makes one now I feel like one of the brother (thrown threw a hoop) because I wasn't expecting it.


    Also, I don't think Sam went to pout, I think he just walked away to cool off for a second before coming back. It seems that he's been trying to get along with Dean again and rebuild their relationship since #THINMAN but since Dean has the mark, nothing's been fixed yet. So when Dean says about the 'dictatorship', I think Sam just thought about picking his battles knowing he wouldn't get anywhere by fighting with Dean when he's like this.


    And finally, Gadreel...DAMMIT DEAN! He's trying to help! I know killing Kevin was horrible and a tragedy but like TFW never made mistakes. Gadreel didn't know/ he was only following orders! Let him help and try to make things right before you go and fillet him like a fish!

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  17. Thank you about the Sam bit, I just typed that out in my own response! :)

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  18. He said he staying on for season 10.

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  19. I am liking the Dean we are seeing very much. Dean has been crapped on for nine years, and it's exciting to see him finally cut loose. That said, Dean has done nothing 'evil' yet. He didn't kill Dr. Flagstaff, even though she said basically the same thing Sam said and Dean thinks about himself. He didn't kill Tessa; she committed suicide. He sliced Gadreel in the first sign of actual 'bloodlust,' and Gad deserved it. He violated Dean in a much worse way than he violated Sam -- he took Dean's trust and threw it in his face.
    I just hope when this story is over, we see Dean keep the confidence he is showing now.

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  20. I'm thinking because Metatron said once the stolen grace burns away it will take Cas with it. So setting up for the possible return of Jimmy Novak.

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  21. Dominick Grace15 May 2014 at 01:51

    Disappointing indeed. Good dissection of what was wrong with this teabag-sucking episode. apparently, angels are dumber than rocks.

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  22. I think Dean's attack on Gadreel does kind of add up, especially considering his actions just before it with Cas and Sam. He is lashing out at people he thinks he has a reason to hurt while still being able to be reassuring and compassionate to those he thinks needs it.

    Although he didn't physically attack Sam he tore Sam a new one before Sam could start in on him. Why? Because like it or not Sam has pissed him off and yes they want to kill Metatron but he is the one they expect to do it. Why? Because he can use the blade and Sam mentioned using it against the big bosses like Crowley and Metatron so in the end it is going to be Dean's ass on the line in the end fights so hell yes he is not going to be lectured about using the thing. Now thanks to the purge and the partners not brothers speeches he feels that Sam wants him to be essentially a weapon, so he will be the best one he is going to be. As for Gadreel, well really Gadreel is the person right now Dean has the most grudge against.

    Gadreel tricked him, Gadreel used Sam to kill his friend, Gadreel worked with Metatron, Gadreel has just said that Tessa (a kind of friend of Dean's) was his plant so her blood in a way is on Gadreel's hands because she impaled herself to frame Dean. He has searched for months for a shot and last time he had to hand him back to save Cas, then Gadreel is standing right in front of him? So yes MoC Dean, I can see going for blood seeing how this is someone he really hates.

    As for the brotehrs I agree with the road idea, to me Dean has to be the one to walk away from Sam this time for it to work too seeing how in the past two seasons it seems Sam has been the one keeping Dean more at arms length while he decides things.

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  23. Part of me sees that Dean's explanation for slashing Gadreel was not that he is crazy but he wanted not only to punish the guy but so that Cas possibly could grab his grace.

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  24. Death is more of a pragmatist who views most events to be little in grand scheme, more than an uncaring dick.

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  25. disqus_1S0cPdC34I15 May 2014 at 02:09

    I actually liked this episode for a couple of reasons...a) do appreciate the arc with Dean. May have come late in the season but glad it's coming b) I liked the bowling scenes and the humor there. The fact the one angel preferred to stay in a bowling alley was pretty funny. c) Lots of characters in the episode that I like. What I strongly agree with is the pacing being off -- things just happening so fast it doesn't feel like it's building in a good steady pace but a rush. Things seem more 'immediate' than they should be. Also, Dean really didn't do anything a-typical of himself. Even the Gadreel thing -- remember he hijacked Sammy and killed Kevin. I might have slayed him myself because you can't trust him. What I didn't like was some of the dialogue and script. Didn't know Tessa was an angel but I can accept that. Dean didn't fight for himself about him not killing Tessa enough for me. So maybe the mark is taking over. Third, didn't like the "dictatorship" speech. Yes his temper is up, but it was still a bit goofy to me. Now as to Sam going to his room - having sometimes been really ticked at family members -- who have been very sick -- for what they have said often caused me to walk out and 'catch my breath.' It's hard to forgive immediately even when you know it's the right thing so you leave and take 10. I've done that so that felt very real to me. Overall I think it's been so rushed that all seems to be happening way too quickly and most of what I don't like about the episode and the arc is that it is so rushed that good stories (such as a true doorway to heaven and Abaddon's death) seem like last minute run of the mil episodes. I miss having the build to these kinds of topics happen over several months. Don't mean drag things out but rather to build excitement.

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  26. Pretty soon I feel like everything from the first 5 seasons will have been reconned.

    The show already made huge retcons in season 5 so that would be difficult.

    We'll get angel/demon stories year after year until the fans can't take it anymore and they stop watching and the ratings fall low enough for the CW to end it.

    They haven't hurt the ratings as of yet (the angels actually seemed to help boost season 4 and season 8 ratings), but I do think they're likely just about done after this season.

    It's also strange that they seem to kill off every character people like or kill them off when unlikable characters finally start becoming likable. I never seen a show do this before so often as Supernatural. Also does every single new character introduced in a season have to die by season's end?



    I agree. I think it may have to do with budget, as they tend to hire sci-fi "names" for many of these roles. I would rather they go cheaper and bring in people who might be able to stay around, although that didn't do much to help poor Kevin stay either.


    I'm tired of all the new characters having to die too. It just feels like everything stagnates when they do this.


    I like your idea about Cas/Crowley/Sam having to stop Dean, although I kind of hope Dean kills Crowley.

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  27. Agreed. Sam is scared of Dean. He's not being a child.

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  28. I actually thought they got the angels right in this episode, for once. Cas lied to them, they were self-immolating in his name (which was not his fault, but how could they trust him enough to believe that?), Cas chose Dean over what they wanted.

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  29. This is probably something that needs to be said in an episode about Death because it pretty much covers the whole character, lol.


    But still, I hope we at least see what Death thinks about Tessa. I had hope they had some kind of father/daughter-like relationship after watching "Appointment in Samarra".

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  30. Since season 8 I have not been viewing the eps with an eye to the old SPN, for me it is just a different show with my favorite actors in it. Carver ruined any canon from the old show..for me anyway and to stay sane and not pull my hair out, this is the way I do it. I enjoyed this ep, many funny lines and as always, the actors were very good.

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  31. Bring Eric back, since Revolution is done.

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  32. Just heard that Robbie Thompson is leaving and he's really the only decent writer they have left. Dabb has to go imho.

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  33. I agree, but I think like most of the "monsters" it's fine until you start screwing around with MY family... Please bring back Death!! Love Julian Richings...

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  34. The sad thing is that the writers say that they DO use Superwiki!

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  35. This is devastating news for me. Thompson is the only one left on the writing team that consistently gets the characterization right. He also writes a tight script. I'm not surprised he was snapped up by another show. The best are all going to leave as we enter what is very likely the last season.

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  36. WHAT?!? Oh please say he is staying... I've been travelling with limited internet access...

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  37. This would be heaven for me....

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  38. I know, right? It's like they went through a list of past characters to see who they could bring out next and kill. It now sours my enjoyment of having a character come back because you are almost 100% certain it's just to have them die. Clip Show last year just pissed me off. It essentially ruined a bunch of first season episodes that I loved because they actually had happy endings back then - and they took those away.

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  39. So they can write, but they can't read? ;D

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  40. I think Dean loses control with the ones on his "list" - he'd vowed to kill Abaddon and Gadreel, so lost it when he released the tight hold he has on himself.
    I agree, any quick fix now in the finale will be just as lame as last year's last two episodes. Definitely agree about the analogy between Tessa and Sara. It's like they are going down a list - who else did they really like that we can get back and kill. Silly us for thinking they couldn't kill a reaper so easily? Remember On the Head of a Pin? Oh right, you (writers) don't remember any of the past episodes - that's why you have the list...

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  41. I have to say that I'm a fan of the angel/demon storyline - or was in S4 and 5. I do agree it needs a new angle.

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  42. Misha stated categorically at the last con that Jimmy was dead.

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  43. It would be more availability than budget. A good actor is going to be offered more roles. And a recurring contract would be for one year with possible opt outs.

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  44. Sammy has been poorly written for 4 seasons now. It starts out great but they dont know what to do with him later. Whether its soulless, Hallucifer, the trials or GadSam this season, its always abrupt. Sam has hardly developed as a character himself, things just keep happening to him to move the story along.

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  45. thanx!..im sick of the brothers fighting..its been going on this whole season.

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  46. I'm afraid I can't just ignore bad writing. There has always been two schools of thought on Dean. 1. that he's just a stupid killing machine blindly following orders and loyal like a dog to his dad and Sammy. 2. that he's actually an intelligent, skilled hunter/soldier with a strong bond to his family. They are choosing #1 - and I choose #2. I do think that seeing Dean crumble in this spectacular way may be the vulnerability that Sam needs to see for him to feel like he has to step up to save his brother this time, and that may prove to be a good thing.

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  47. I hated the way Dean spoke to Sam. He is an addict at this point, and yet he acts like he is doing only what NEEDS to be done.

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  48. OMG -- yes! I'm just so angry at the atrocious writing that I can't enjoy the rest of it! But yes, those scenes were really good. I really liked the Sam/Cas scenes in this episode and the last too. I just want them not to make Dean a stupid/blind killing machine. Ruthless hunter I can live with, though I like when he thinks things through enough to show compassion too...

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  49. Check out the look on his face. If someone said that to me, I wouldn't just let it drop. Why not just say, this isn't over - or something like that.

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  50. I would say scared for - not of.

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  51. You can't see reapers outside the veil - they have never been angels before. Sorry, just can't let that go. It was simply bad writing.

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  52. The problem is that Tessa was always a reaper. She was NOT an angel and reapers and angels are different. Frankly, Dean's dictatorship speech was one that I liked.

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  53. I wish I could adopt your watching-fu!

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  54. And it's just not going anywhere - until now. I can finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. If the mark makes Dean so vulnerable that he and Sam trade places - Sam playing the protector role and Dean the victim - they might actually gain some perspective on each other and move on. But like the pacing of the whole season, it's just taking too long and then is rushed at the end. Hopefully this will be resolved once and for all by the first few episodes next season...

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  55. I also choose #2. I think Dean has been the unsung hero all along, even though most of the story lines focused on Sam until now. It's Dean's strength and values that have been predictable that has given the show the anchor it needs. I am glad to see Dean get this Mark of Cain storyline but the writers need to be careful where they take it. I think there is a line that should not be crossed with Dean or the whole show could become tainted.

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  56. It has been going on since Carver took over and ruined Sam last year.

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  57. I loved the way he told Sam off and it was way past time for it to happen. Sam is always wanting to leave the gun/blade behind and that does nothing if you need it and it is not there. Dean saved Sam with the Colt that Sam wanted left in the trunk. It is like having a gun in your house without bullets for it...USELESS.

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  58. That never occurred to me..you're right that would be interesting. But Dean is enjoying himself too much. I don't think he will be willing to give up the Mark even if Sam suggests they trade places. I have a feeling Dean might just end up using the Blade on Sam, not killing him but wounding him like he wounded Gadreel. That might pull him back as well and it would be one hell of a cliffhanger. Or if Sam gets desperate enough to save his brother and somehow manages to track down Cain, that would be interesting to watch too. Mostly what would help both of them is to TALK. Its pretty clear that Dean has surrendered to the power of the Blade so wholly because he is still hurt about what Sam said to him. Sam is not being as expressive about his concern as he would normally be because he is still mad at Dean about Gadreel. A talk, probably mediated by Castiel, would be nice. If the season ends with the brothers at odds with each other, it will be a disappointing end to an otherwise decent season.

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  59. I agree, but the show was tainted last year when they took Sam that has ALWAYS looked for Dean and decided that Sam was just going to run/hit dog/meet girl awful story line. Carver has made SPN into a totally new show for me.

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  60. You are so right. I love Sam. The guy hardly gets to be himself. There is always something going on with him, poor guy cannot catch a break. But after all this, you would think they would spend some time trying to show what Sam feels about everything that happened to him. But no, its apparently more important to show the progression of Dean's rage in minute detail. Don't get me wrong, I love Jensen Ackles and he is killing it this season. But there was so much potential in the Gadreel healing Sam storyline. I always wondered that since Gadreel was 'in' Sam, did he see Sam's time in Hell too? Did he notice that Sam's soul had been mutilated by Lucifer? He is an angel too, he must have sensed it.

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  61. And before that he's said he thought he was alive, he likes to go back and forth on that question. But he's not the authority on it, whether Jimmy is alive or dead is up to the producers/writers, and they haven't felt the need touch upon the subject his fate. So it is technically up in the air, though there is s bit of proof in the show to suggest that he's still trapped in his body.

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  62. Reapers can alter perception, so that should go to being able to make themselves visible when they want to. I mean the reaper in the first season, he was showing himself to the people he was about to kill. The idea that you can only see them if you are about to die is kinda washed away, because then people should have been seeing Dean and Tessa when they were reaping in season 6. To me that rationalizes the idea that they can step out of the Veil.

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  63. I'm not mad at that departure. Robbie Thompson always felt like the wannabe Ben Edlund and he wasn't anywhere close, lol.

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  64. Because Dean turned his back an walked away. What's the point of saying this isn't over? Dean isn't going to listen to him so Sam did let it drop as ther was no point in talking to Dean's back. What would be the point of them getting into an argument when Sam knows that Dean is not himself?

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  65. Dominick Grace16 May 2014 at 01:01

    How did he lie to them? They actively insisted that he lead them; it's not like he sought out the job. did he tell them he stole the grace form another angel? no. But then, did they ask? Metatron, otoh, stole ALL of their angel status and banished them from heaven. One Skype speech is enough to turn them around on him? Sheep.

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  66. Dominick Grace16 May 2014 at 01:02

    And a line or two of dialogue addressing the point would have rendered the need for fans to rationalize it moot....

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  67. Yeah...I was trying to ignore that fact...can they make themselves seen? Just curious...

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  68. You start you review with " she has always been a reaper – NOT an angel as she appears to be in this episode." Are you seriously telling me you don't know that reapers are Angels? Grim Reaper.. Angel of Death... they've even mentioned it in the show before. And of course there is the bible...

    I am NOT religious however I did a simple search and found this: Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like [a]a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. 15 And another angel came out of the [b]temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “[c]Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth [d]is ripe.” 16 Then He who sat on the cloud [e]swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped.

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  69. Reapers ARE Angels. Not bad writing, bad fact checking. They are Angels and ALL of the Angels fell to earth. That would include Reapers

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  70. I haven't posted in a while and God knows I've had my problems with Dabb's writing in the past but I can't fault him here. We have seen Tessa make herself visible to others in the past. It has been made patently clear that Reapers have powers that ordinary angels don't...just as archangels do. No offense, but perhaps you should take the time to familiarize yourself with the existing show canon before you try to disparage other people's writing.

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  71. Reapers are not angels. Not sure where you are getting your facts from. Reapers have worked for the angels as Bounty Hunters - in another dreadful episode (Taxi Driver) where admittedly they seem to take on corporeal bodies. However, as Tessa comes our of Kripke's actual canon - I would prefer to stick to his rules on the matter. Reapers guide the souls of the dead to their final destination be that heaven OR hell - or purgatory for that matter.

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  72. Apparently he's not going. I think he's finally come into his own this season - or maybe he's just better than the rest at this point...

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  73. I completely agree with you here...

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  74. My comments are based on watching Supernatural. I didn't need to do
    further research. If you have ever ready anything that the writers have
    said about religion, it's that they don't follow it. They create their
    own parameters for creatures. Try comparing how angels operate on the
    show and how reapers have operated up until this episode on the show.
    NOT THE SAME>

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  75. Ahhh, okay. Still, I would not be peeved if Robbie were to leave.

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  76. Dominick Grace16 May 2014 at 06:13

    lol! Well, nothing WILL shut some of them up, but clear internal explanations for things would really eliminate the NEED for fans to invent their own explanations.

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  77. You're right. I do wish they'd explained more. The whole thing felt rushed and strange. I think she was supposed to be a mirror to Dean and Dean's suicidal tendencies, but they could have used another character for that purpose.

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  78. Yeah it is the same. Reapers have appeared in human form before and have been killed by Angel blades. Castiel can see them because God created them. They are angels and it has been common knowledge. Castiel had sex with a reaper as one of the fallen angels.

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  79. Not so, and angels are asexual -- junkless in Dean-speak (view S4).

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  80. Folks, this is a horror show ("a popcorn horror show" according to Sera Gamble) called Supernatural. There is violence against everyone, not just women.

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  81. I guess you don't watch Season 9.

    9.03 I'm No Angel

    Another reaper possesses a woman named April Kelly
    and locates Castiel. She pretends to take him in and has sex with him,
    but the next morning ties him up and tortures him for information on Metatron with his angel sword. Castiel tells her he didn't know what Metatron
    was doing and that he doesn't know the spell that he used to expel all angels from Heaven, but that as his grace was the final ingredient, he may be the key to reversing it. At that moment, Sam and Dean arrive to rescue Castiel, but Castiel is killed by the reaper with the angel sword, and then proceeds to disarm Dean of his own angel sword and flings him and Sam across the room. However, while she is distracted with Sam, Dean kills her with the angel sword she had used on Castiel. Ezekiel then resurrects Castiel and heals the damage the reaper did to him.

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  82. Dean points out that there is reaper lore and the aren't dealing with the Grim Reaper - they never even call Death the Grim Reaper. It's only in one kind of lore that the Grim Reaper is the angel of death - and that is NOT what they were dealing with. The reapers in season 8 and 9 have been retconned. Up until then they never took corporeal shape. The don't act like angels. Cas doesn't call them angels in The End. And in fact, they don't answer to God, they answer to Death. So not God's angels. Death doesn't answer to God either remember. Furthermore, we are talking about Tessa - who has never been equated with angels before. She only ever came to Dean when he dying/behind the veil before. You won't convince me because reapers have never been angels in the Supernatural universe. It's not - as Dean points out the lore they are dealing with.

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  83. Especially a bigger name like AT or TP would have clauses in their contracts that would strike a balance between when they were available and when they had "better" offers during the year. They did have more accumulated screen time than Alex. But she would likely be someone like Osric who would be more willing to sign a more restrictive contract and therefore allow the writers to really commit to a storyline...

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  84. My choices are how the writers have actually written him in the show - it varies on whose pen the story flows from. They have said that Dean is a stupid killing machine - Dean himself said it earlier this season. I agree with your assessment - he's just not always written that way.

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  85. Well, they're all on borrowed time and Cas more so than anyone else as the head of their faction. He could be killed by anyone in Metatron's camp at any time - they all know that Cas is a target who could be killed at any time. The way Josiah said, you're not one of us, really smacked of discrimination to me. The angels still have a superiority complex - they still think they are that much better than humanity, so Metatron's lesson really hasn't worked...

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  86. So true - and violence against women is a tried and true horror trope. I make that point in my thesis...

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  87. What? Where? i guess you could make a case for it in season five, with Jimmy's desire for red meat resurfacing in Famine's presence but I haven't seen anything since then. Could you be more specific?

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  88. Have to agree with Ginger. It's a long standing horror trope, and this is a horror show. One of these days I will sit down and do my own catalogue of deaths etc, but others have and the violence is split pretty comparably 50/50. It's also a violent show. Sheriff Mills wouldn't be kickass if she didn't kick some ass - and occasionally have her own ass kicked - just like the boys...

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  89. NINE.03 - well past the point of retcon. Everything can be killed with an angel sword.

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  90. Misha has had this discussion with the writers. Novak is gone.

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  91. And Kripke categorically said that he was never going to introduce angels into the show. Things change and storyline ideas come up.

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  92. Well, Famine says hunger comes from the soul, so I mean that right there. There's also the question about the year he spent in his true form fitting Raphael, what happened to Jimmy? If Jimmy was dead how take him back as a vessel, a dead body can't consent.

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  93. I can see you won't change your view nor will I. So arguing is a moot point. I don't know what the original plan was and if it changed over the years. I would hope that Kripke and all the rest that have been involved gave the fans enough credit to understand that not every little detail had to be spelled out. That it was a given that reapers were a subset of Angels. To me it was a no brainer and just one more step forward for the show.

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  94. Thank you. At least one person gets it.

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  95. Dominick Grace17 May 2014 at 19:44

    We first saw Reapers in, what, season two? Sam and Dean remained convinced that angels did not exist until actual angels turned up, like, two or three seasons later. Clearly, within the show's original cosmology, Reapers were not presented as angels. Treating them as angels now is a retcon.

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  96. Dominick Grace17 May 2014 at 19:47

    It was NOT any such given. Reapers appeared on the show years before angels did, and until actual angels appeared, Sam and Dean believed that there were no such things as angels. They knew reapers existed while holding that opinion. Clearly, therefore, they did not see reapers as angels but as another class or type of supernatural entity.

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  97. Dominick Grace17 May 2014 at 19:48

    Did he say that before or after the first Reaper appearance?

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  98. Sam has ALWAYS believed in Angels.

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  99. Try season 1 - Faith. And they didn't need to be presented as angels. They were presented as Reapers, a subset of angels which is what they are. They weren't presented as angels in the last episode either. They were presented as what they were, reapers, who are angels. Heaven is closed and Reapers are in the same boat as Angels, trapped on earth. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. And I really don't get what the big deal is. The show has moved on, the fans should too.

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  100. I am going to belabor this point, because I think it is important, and that point is that by trashing canon and not sticking to the rules of their own show, it causes creates a mess. More than that, either fans can watch the episodes like robots, or they can dream up whatever they want to make the show
    make sense, or they can be mad about trashed canon and hold writers accountable for what they do. And, just for the record, I will let you know that I have watched every episode since the Pilot..live..so I am not a Johnny-come-lately or a casual viewer.

    Tessa was introduced in S2 In My Time of Dying as a reaper, and NOT corporeal, following S1’s Faith. We were told in that episode that reapers
    could manifest themselves into whatever they wanted you to see. In other words, Tessa was a separate species entirely from angels, and we saw her true form before she manifested into a pretty young woman for Dean. Two more times Dean saw Tessa: Death Takes a Holiday and Appointment in Samarra. In both episodes, Dean killed himself and was in the veil before he could talk to Tessa.

    More than that point, though, is Tessa’s characterization before she was turned into a mindless suicide bomber. The one thing that was established about Tessa in the previous seasons was that she had a strictly defined
    characterization. She worked for Death. She was duty bound. She had one job and she was going to do it. There was no nonsense and no personal feelings involved, and she taught Dean a lesson about the natural order of things (Appointment in Samarra).

    From Death Takes a Holiday when Dean tells her he wishes he had gone with, Tessa says:

    Tessa: What? Your whole angel-demon dance-off? I could care less. I just want to do my job.

    From Appointment in Samarra:

    Tessa: Dean? What the hell?

    Dean: Tessa, I need a favor.

    Tessa: Oh, you're kidding. You died to ask me
    --

    Dean: Tell your boss I need to talk to him.

    Tessa: No.

    Dean: Please?

    Tessa: Where do you get the nerve?

    Dean: Desperate times.

    Tessa: He calls us. We don't call him.

    Dean: You make an exception!

    Tessa: I can't.

    Dean: Can't or won't?!

    Tessa: Both!

    Death: All right, Tessa. Thank you very much. Hello, Dean.

    That’s enough to get my points across, and I do suggest that you view these episodes before you scold anyone about show canon on this point, but there is more. IF you believe reapers have always been angels, then that not only wipes out a separate and distinct supernatural species, it means that demons can possess angels, because that’s what the YED did in In My Time of Dying to bring Dean back to life. Which also means that demons are more
    powerful than angels and the King of Hell is more powerful than God, since he controls demons. Which also means that Dean should be going after Crowley, not Metatron, because Crowley is the biggest fish in the pond.
    Dabb wasn't the one that trashed reaper canon on the show, but in this episode, he doubled-down on it and turned a well-like, long-standing character, not just into an angel, but into a mindless suicide bomber who killed herself.

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  101. After season 2. The reaper thing is a retcon, the show has been retconning things for long time, so I;m just going with the flow.

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  102. How long have you been watching this show? It's obvious that you are arguing a point that you know nothing about, so I doubt you started with the Pilot, which is what I did and have never missed a live viewing in almost ten years.
    You are filling in the blanks for the writers, because they haven't bothered to watch the show, do not know past canon or characterization, know little about story structure, how to plot a story out, how to establish boundaries that a story is told within, or even the first basic of writing 101, which is that the plot NEVER pushes the characters -- the characters push the plot.

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  103. Funny I was going to ask you that. I own every season and had replace season one because I wore one of the DVD's out. So please don't even go there. I simply have an open mind to what the writers are doing. And I appreciate that they are trying to keep the show from going stale. Too bad some here don't. Think I'll leave it at that, this whole conversation is like banging my head against a wall. Stay stuck in season one forever if you want. I am loving how the show has refused to.

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  104. I think some fans follow what the writers have the actors say in the ep and NOT what some fans want to think the writers mean. One I call canon and the other fanfic. For me if it is not shown or said on screen then I don't count it, but that is just the way I watch the show. I think this is one reason there is so much disagreement and to each their own.

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  105. I would like to add on to what you and Peter J4 said.

    I like the MoC story for Dean, but I don’t like how the writers made it into Sam’s demon blood story (or the parallel to Crowley, for that matter). Sam and Dean are two distinct characters who both possess distinct motivations. Sam chose demon blood over everyone else. Dean chose the MoC because he was at rock bottom. To me, the MoC should have been an internal struggle of Dean’s life-long fear of being a killer (Daddy’s blunt instrument)

    My thoughts on Dean are that he has always represented the idea that hunting was noble, while Sam has always been the character that was conflicted about his desire to get away from the blood, gore, and loss
    associated with hunting and his loyalty to family.

    Through Dean, the viewers have always seen the effects of the supernatural (i.e., the chaos in life) on the Winchesters (the Winchesters being the avatars for humanity). Dean’s thing has always been that he kills evil to prevent others from suffering like his family suffered (actually, like he suffered with the loss of his mother,
    and along with her, the loss of his father, his loving home, his childhood and any dreams for a future. Driven by too much responsibility put on his young shoulders and John’s expectations, Dean became a goal-oriented character, and that goal was to kill monsters that hurt humans (humanity and overcoming the chaos life throws at people) that always keep trying and that always kept hunting noble.

    Dean is no Dudley Doolittle. He lies, cheats, steals, is a man tramp, fights dirty, and has a talent for torturing. Dean has always been the darkest character in SPN, and his darkness is his special relationship with
    torture. Deep down, kept hidden, Dean has a capacity to hurt and take pleasure in causing pain, because of his inner rage at all the pain and losses in his life.. Dean recognizes this and has always fought against turning into something like he hunts (a killer).

    Along those lines, while Sam has always had the mytharcs, Dean has always been the central character in the show. Every other character, including Sam, has been developed to be a foil to Dean’s feelings, his reactions, his decisions, and his struggles with himself. He was the one who carried Sam out of a burning house and supported his father through his entire childhood. It was Dean that John handed the torch to, telling him that if he could not protect Sam, he would have to kill him. It was Dean who has fought, bled, sacrificed his dreams, his life and his soul, to do that. It’s Dean who went to Hell to break the first Seal. It’s Dean the angels wanted to counter-act Lucifer’s rising. It’s Dean that every hunter has respected and listened to. It’s Dean who Josua wanted to speak to. It’s Dean that Death made a deal with. It’s Dean who inherited the hunter’s crown when Bobby and Rufus died.

    While I agree that Dean’s years of loss, guilt for not saving everyone, and lack of understanding from everyone he has ever known, caused Dean succumb to his greates fears, but for all of these reasons I state,
    I want to see Dean overcome the effects of the MoC on his own. IMO, the Dean I know would turn the Blade
    upon himself if he could not control the urge to kill and before he would turn into a monster like he hunts. I want Sam to learn through Dean’s strength of will that his loyalty to family has not been misplaced…and along with that, learn to value Dean for the person he is.
    I don't think that will happen, because I don't think any of these writers understand Dean or Sam's character, and I fully expect them to take the easy way out -- either Sam will save Dean or Dean will become a demon (please, Chuck, just NO), and I am going into the finale expecting to be disappointed.

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  106. You probably won't care about this late reply, but oh well...

    I was always under the impression that one of the reasons angels required consent was becuse there was a living soul present and they couldn't just shoove it aside like demons could because they weren't originaly human or even earthly in nature, not in the way demons and ghosts once were. Of course that's speculation on my part but what seems to be consistant is that angels can't ride a body as long as a soul is present. So I guess if a soul WASN'T present at all, as is the case with a dead body, they wouldn't need permission and you could just slip inside. Then again, if that were possible, there would be dead bodies rising out of graves all over the place. The answer therefore, is obvious. It works 'cos the writers said so. Or maybe once an angel claims a body, as long as it gets resurected with or without the soul present, they can still use it as long as they got that first big 'yes?'

    There's one thing I don't understand though. I gave the example of Jimmy still possibly being present in the exact same episode you alluded to in your example but I also said I hadn't 'seen anything since then'. Does that mean you were aggreeing with me that that was the only example or 'proof' to be found?

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