Meh. I actually kinda liked Crowley's final speech, though it was pretty much ruined by that lame-ass ending. (What makes it even more lame--or will, ultimately--is that some time around eiposde 10 or so next season, Dean will get "cured," rendering the whole thing not only lame but pointless as well.) Overall a very disappointing episode. Well, actually, not really; this whole season has been mediocre and predictable, so I guess it wasn't so much disappointing as a depressing fulfillment of all the lack of promise....
Definitely when when Dean said to Sam ... I thought you weren't going to save me. Sam's response of "I lied." was perfect. I want Dean to become human again in the first half of the first episode of next season so this show can get back to what made it great. Two brothers working together to fight the big bad. I want Sam and Dean to find a way to close the Gates of Hell, survive the process, and find lives outside of being hunters before this show ends.
I thought the ending made the speech better - you could see what Crowley was building up to (and had been all season). Dean will be cured, most likely, but if this current story (burning Dean away) helps rebuild the character, then it's worth it.
"I'm proud of us." Oh man...that stabbed me right in the heart!!! These boys were on GAME last night. Beautiful job by J2...but that one line and the look on their faces...it about killed me.
I enjoyed the whole ep, loved the Crowley/Dean scene at the end, Dean's I'm proud of us, Metatron hopefully rotting in a cell and the way Cas tricked him, but I did see that coming. Sam calling Crowley trying to save Dean, where was that Sam last season? I always cry when Dean is being hurt, so got my eyes cleaned out. All in all I am looking forward to next season, wish Carver would spend more time writing, since he does not seem to be doing such a great job keeping other writers moving the story along. It was just to jerky and uneven with way to many WHO CARES eps.
Crowley's speech was one of the few good moments in the episode (for me). Mark Sheppard delivered it well, and I did like how it played on the predictability of how the Winchesters react. But Dean as demon for clifhanger . . . maaaaaan, that just doesn't work for me. Mind you, I've thought for a long while now that SPN has been tipping over the edge from scenarios that barely skirted aburdity on the right side of that line to ones that have just slid right over it. I had a hard time not giggling over the whole Mark of Cain/First Blade storyline, for instance. (When I wasn't rolling my eyes over things like Dean saying, don't even bother telling em the consequence,s just giv eme the damn thing! Really? After ALL the other times unknown/unintended consequences have totally buggered things up--like, JUST THIS SEASON, letting an angel possess Sam????? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!)
I think Cas said pretty clearly that he wanted the conflict to end without any more angels dying, didn't he? That WOULD include Metatron, technically, and I do like the idea that a conflict CAN be resolved some other way than just killing the enemy. It did, however, have rather an anticlimactic feel to it, after all the build-up.
Dean can't be "cured." To be cured, one has to express regret for past transgressions. Dean has had regret since he was four years old, and that was not a transgression. Not one act on Dean's part in the entire history of the show has been "immoral." Dean is now his own special supernatural species. (Ha! Reapers were killed off and now we have special demon Dean.) Dean's soul was not corrupted by centuries of torture in Hell, he is not possessed, and his soul is not sharing his meatsuit with a demon soul. Dean just is. We have had no explanation as to how the MoC works, how it works in relation to the Blade, or anything. It's just magic.
Cas did not kill Metatron, because he had to live to give Cas a reason to be in the show. Metatron lives on to yak, yak, yak another day. If they go with Metatron holding the grace over Cas, then Cas' story remains separate from the brothers again. In other words, the Winchesters will not be connected to the angel storyline in any way, while I think they will go with Metatron holds the demon tablet, which may have the secret to Dean being turned human again....oh, did you see that parallel to Cas' story this season?
I agree that it changed the landscape. The moral center of the story has now been turned into something supernatural, whether Dean is a sympathetic monster (which I think he will be) or a bad one. I much prefer my heroes to be avatars for humanity. When I watch sci-fi horror, I like the main message to be "what makes humans humans?" The idea of the supernatural (Crowley, Cas, or Dean) overcoming whatever the bad is (Dean's demon problem?) does not provide an answer to that question. Sam may solve the problem, making Sam the moral center, which is a role reversal that requires a complete characterization change for both leads.
No, I wasn't happy with the outcome, although I thought the script was pretty good and the acting really amazing. I particularly enjoyed the JA/JP scenes, because of how effortlessly these two work together. Also liked the JA/MS scenes, because they are two exceptionally talented actors that always bring their game. Even though I detest the Metatron character, Curtis Armstrong has done an amazing job, and Tahmoh P. really gave Gadreel depth and interest, even though he was used very little. I am sorry to see him go. I might mention the actress that plays Hannah. Again, a grating character, but the actress did a fine job, I thought. I liked the director on this one and, of course, the production crew again did an amazing job.
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Cas kills Metatr...oh wait, that didn't happen. >.<
ReplyDeleteThe only broment of the year of course.
ReplyDelete"I'm proud of us" was a very touching moment.
Defo the end
ReplyDeleteGadreel's Redemption (his sacrifice)
ReplyDeleteMeh. I actually kinda liked Crowley's final speech, though it was pretty much ruined by that lame-ass ending. (What makes it even more lame--or will, ultimately--is that some time around eiposde 10 or so next season, Dean will get "cured," rendering the whole thing not only lame but pointless as well.) Overall a very disappointing episode. Well, actually, not really; this whole season has been mediocre and predictable, so I guess it wasn't so much disappointing as a depressing fulfillment of all the lack of promise....
ReplyDeleteThat not happening was actually one of the very few good moments here. For once, the unexpected....
ReplyDeleteDefinitely when when Dean said to Sam ... I thought you weren't going to save me. Sam's response of "I lied." was perfect. I want Dean to become human again in the first half of the first episode of next season so this show can get back to what made it great. Two brothers working together to fight the big bad. I want Sam and Dean to find a way to close the Gates of Hell, survive the process, and find lives outside of being hunters before this show ends.
ReplyDeleteOther- The way Dean looked at Sam after being stabbed by Metatron... Heart-wrenching :-(
ReplyDeleteI thought the ending made the speech better - you could see what Crowley was building up to (and had been all season). Dean will be cured, most likely, but if this current story (burning Dean away) helps rebuild the character, then it's worth it.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I'm glad Metatron didn't get a big death. He didn't deserve one. His ego deserves nothing more than rotting away.
ReplyDeleteLots of good scenes here, but I'll go with the Dean and Sam "I'm proud of us" scene. After that, Cas tricking Metatron.
ReplyDeleteGadreel's Remption (his sacrifice)
ReplyDeleteMetatron says that Dean middle name is "Humanity" to Cas, while on angel radio. Thanks.
ReplyDelete"I'm proud of us." Oh man...that stabbed me right in the heart!!! These boys were on GAME last night. Beautiful job by J2...but that one line and the look on their faces...it about killed me.
ReplyDeleteDean Blames Metatron for everything, Dean Opens his eyes, Other - Crowley's little speech to "dead" Dean.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the whole ep, loved the Crowley/Dean scene at the end, Dean's I'm proud of us, Metatron hopefully rotting in a cell and the way Cas tricked him, but I did see that coming. Sam calling Crowley trying to save Dean, where was that Sam last season?
ReplyDeleteI always cry when Dean is being hurt, so got my eyes cleaned out. All in all I am looking forward to next season, wish Carver would spend more time writing, since he does not seem to be doing such a great job keeping other writers moving the story along. It was just to jerky and uneven with way to many WHO CARES eps.
My opinion, Cas didn't kill metatron because he needs to know what happened to his grace. If there is a possibility that he can have it back.
ReplyDeleteCrowley's speech was one of the few good moments in the episode (for me). Mark Sheppard delivered it well, and I did like how it played on the predictability of how the Winchesters react. But Dean as demon for clifhanger . . . maaaaaan, that just doesn't work for me. Mind you, I've thought for a long while now that SPN has been tipping over the edge from scenarios that barely skirted aburdity on the right side of that line to ones that have just slid right over it. I had a hard time not giggling over the whole Mark of Cain/First Blade storyline, for instance. (When I wasn't rolling my eyes over things like Dean saying, don't even bother telling em the consequence,s just giv eme the damn thing! Really? After ALL the other times unknown/unintended consequences have totally buggered things up--like, JUST THIS SEASON, letting an angel possess Sam????? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!)
ReplyDeleteI think Cas said pretty clearly that he wanted the conflict to end without any more angels dying, didn't he? That WOULD include Metatron, technically, and I do like the idea that a conflict CAN be resolved some other way than just killing the enemy. It did, however, have rather an anticlimactic feel to it, after all the build-up.
ReplyDeleteI voted for the "I lied" and Dean's snark, "Ain't it a bitch," because that is the way the Winchesters say "I love you."
ReplyDeleteDean can't be "cured." To be cured, one has to express regret for past transgressions. Dean has had regret since he was four years old, and that was not a transgression. Not one act on Dean's part in the entire history of the show has been "immoral."
ReplyDeleteDean is now his own special supernatural species. (Ha! Reapers were killed off and now we have special demon Dean.) Dean's soul was not corrupted by centuries of torture in Hell, he is not possessed, and his soul is not sharing his meatsuit with a demon soul. Dean just is. We have had no explanation as to how the MoC works, how it works in relation to the Blade, or anything. It's just magic.
Cas did not kill Metatron, because he had to live to give Cas a reason to be in the show. Metatron lives on to yak, yak, yak another day. If they go with Metatron holding the grace over Cas, then Cas' story remains separate from the brothers again. In other words, the Winchesters will not be connected to the angel storyline in any way, while I think they will go with Metatron holds the demon tablet, which may have the secret to Dean being turned human again....oh, did you see that parallel to Cas' story this season?
ReplyDeleteI agree that it changed the landscape. The moral center of the story has now been turned into something supernatural, whether Dean is a sympathetic monster (which I think he will be) or a bad one. I much prefer my heroes to be avatars for humanity. When I watch sci-fi horror, I like the main message to be "what makes humans humans?" The idea of the supernatural (Crowley, Cas, or Dean) overcoming whatever the bad is (Dean's demon problem?) does not provide an answer to that question. Sam may solve the problem, making Sam the moral center, which is a role reversal that requires a complete characterization change for both leads.
ReplyDeleteNo, I wasn't happy with the outcome, although I thought the script was pretty good and the acting really amazing. I particularly enjoyed the JA/JP scenes, because of how effortlessly these two work together. Also liked the JA/MS scenes, because they are two exceptionally talented actors that always bring their game. Even though I detest the Metatron character, Curtis Armstrong has done an amazing job, and Tahmoh P. really gave Gadreel depth and interest, even though he was used very little. I am sorry to see him go. I might mention the actress that plays Hannah. Again, a grating character, but the actress did a fine job, I thought.
I liked the director on this one and, of course, the production crew again did an amazing job.