The Finch and Old Man discussion/debate about the Machine(s) is going to be a highlight of the episode. I can feel it.
Vigilance is back. Yay!!! Did we just see another person commit suicide so as not to betray his cause? This time though I think it's a Vigilance guy. I wonder if the Decima and Vigilance guys go to the same place for their Suicide Anonymous meetings?
But in your heart you know that when the lights come back, there will be a New World Order where SHE(Machine) and HE(Samaritan) fight for total control. ;) :)
I wonder if they will team up with Vigilance against Decima or more likely point them in the direction of Decima to distract them while taking Samaritan down themselves....
There will be no Samaritan. Root stole the servers and Greer destroyed the laptops, believing that he had achieved both goals. Samaritan lost its NSA feed, so even if the servers were available, it has no history to analyze. Unlike The Machine, who is seeing and hearing everything. I argue that root is going to bolster the Machine's power existing power to process the data. Please note the TV behind Finch in commercial. Finch taught the machine to exploit tv cameras, so "she" knows where Finch is located. Waiting to see hoe Greenfield and Casey are woven into storyline. Greenfield knows Vigilance's operations. The question is how many servers were there total versus how many root stole. Greer's passion to get Finch blinded the observation that Root was not at the bridge. Big mistake.
She stole 7 servers. It was stated that there were like 16 of them in each container. She doesn't say how many containers were there & what she did with the rest of them.
Really don't get why Root and fans give the machine or Samaritan sexes, as a) they're machines, b) they have no gender programming (unlike say EDI or C-3PO), and c) Arthur and Harold who created them just generally use an it.
From the first time the press release mentioned that Root's hackers are coming to NY I wondered why? I mean the core safety measure for a hacker is to be as far away from the hacked target as possible, and they had already been dispersed around the globe. But with the stolen servers they might needed to be there to do some hard coding as well or something along this line - at least that's what I hope otherwise it would be a very sloppy move from the writers.
Because Root (who has direct contact with it) uses "her". The gender is probably by no other thing than the Machine speaks on a female voice, but it is a very distinctive approach. To Finch and Arthur those were only machines - extremely powerful and capable tools to do certain tasks, but tools anyhow.
To Root the Machine is an independent identity, with her own will, goals and intentions - she refers to her just like she would refer to any other human. I think now Finch is aware of this, but using "it" instead of personification is his line of defence to separate him from the Machine. He is the creator, he wants to to keep the right to define his creation.
I get the whole symbolism of Root calls it a her because it demonstrates her attachment and emotional connection to the machine, and Harold calling it an "it" to better show his own detachment and view of the machine as a force for order and good rather than a child or being he created to help it serve as a tool to save people and everyone, not just him. (Still don't find it necessary though since we've seen Root's devotion to the machine throughout the entire series). I'm gonna basically shut up now, but one last thing Arthur regarded Samaritan as a child that's why he didn't want to destroy it, not a machine like Harold does.
ell, if you get the whole symbolism, I don't understand your question. Regarding Root's devotion, seems you missed the big change in it. Originally she also thought the Machine as an "it" - something with which she is at least equal, but more likely superior. (You can't free somebody if you haven't much power than they have.). Sha never saw her as the First Maid of the Female Voice. Being shot and shocked emotionally at the same time put her into a mental state when the contact initiative from the Machine pushed her through a line. Whether it was intentional, a calculated measure from the Machine or not, I don't know (I'm inclined to don't think so, it would have required to many unknown variables to be successfull), but nevertheless, her POV about the Machine now and in S2 are two completely different thing.
Regarding Arthur: I have nver felt that he would have thought about his creation as a real being when he created the software. That later on when his mind was partly clouded, his obsession with the greatest achievent of his life get a "humanisation" it doesn't mean he treated it - even in his mind - as a person. It was his brainchild - funny, this kind of transmogrification always happens to characters who doesn't have a REAL LIFE child -, but it doesn't mean that calling it a "child" was more than a metaphore to him.
Holy fuck, a blackout. 3 seasons in, this show still comes up with unique ideas to throw at the Machine/Number/PoI weekly concept. This is going to be epic.
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Shaw and Reese working together always makes me smile.
ReplyDeleteYou mean "Extended fan-suffering"
ReplyDeleteThe Finch and Old Man discussion/debate about the Machine(s) is going to be a highlight of the episode. I can feel it.
ReplyDeleteVigilance is back. Yay!!! Did we just see another person commit suicide so as not to betray his cause? This time though I think it's a Vigilance guy. I wonder if the Decima and Vigilance guys go to the same place for their Suicide Anonymous meetings?
New York goes dark, and the war goes to another level.
ReplyDeleteChaos in the Time of Darkness.
ReplyDeleteBut in your heart you know that when the lights come back, there will be a New World Order where SHE(Machine) and HE(Samaritan) fight for total control. ;) :)
We'll find out soon enough.
ReplyDeletecould this season get any better?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if they will team up with Vigilance against Decima or more likely point them in the direction of Decima to distract them while taking Samaritan down themselves....
ReplyDeleteI’m looking forward to the discussion between Greer and
ReplyDeleteFinch. Finch’s reflections on the Machine and people are always such a pleasure
to watch.
This is going to be awesome. Can't wait.
ReplyDeleteThere will be no Samaritan. Root stole the servers and Greer destroyed the laptops, believing that he had achieved both goals. Samaritan lost its NSA feed, so even if the servers were available, it has no history to analyze. Unlike The Machine, who is seeing and hearing everything. I argue that root is going to bolster the Machine's power existing power to process the data. Please note the TV behind Finch in commercial. Finch taught the machine to exploit tv cameras, so "she" knows where Finch is located. Waiting to see hoe Greenfield and Casey are woven into storyline. Greenfield knows Vigilance's operations.
ReplyDeleteThe question is how many servers were there total versus how many root stole. Greer's passion to get Finch blinded the observation that Root was not at the bridge. Big mistake.
She stole 7 servers. It was stated that there were like 16 of them in each container. She doesn't say how many containers were there & what she did with the rest of them.
ReplyDeleteRoot's team of hackers!!
ReplyDeleteReally don't get why Root and fans give the machine or Samaritan sexes, as a) they're machines, b) they have no gender programming (unlike say EDI or C-3PO), and c) Arthur and Harold who created them just generally use an it.
ReplyDeleteFrom the first time the press release mentioned that Root's hackers are coming to NY I wondered why? I mean the core safety measure for a hacker is to be as far away from the hacked target as possible, and they had already been dispersed around the globe. But with the stolen servers they might needed to be there to do some hard coding as well or something along this line - at least that's what I hope otherwise it would be a very sloppy move from the writers.
ReplyDeleteBecause Root (who has direct contact with it) uses "her". The gender is probably by no other thing than the Machine speaks on a female voice, but it is a very distinctive approach. To Finch and Arthur those were only machines - extremely powerful and capable tools to do certain tasks, but tools anyhow.
ReplyDeleteTo Root the Machine is an independent identity, with her own will, goals and intentions - she refers to her just like she would refer to any other human. I think now Finch is aware of this, but using "it" instead of personification is his line of defence to separate him from the Machine. He is the creator, he wants to to keep the right to define his creation.
I get the whole symbolism of Root calls it a her because it demonstrates her attachment and emotional connection to the machine, and Harold calling it an "it" to better show his own detachment and view of the machine as a force for order and good rather than a child or being he created to help it serve as a tool to save people and everyone, not just him. (Still don't find it necessary though since we've seen Root's devotion to the machine throughout the entire series). I'm gonna basically shut up now, but one last thing Arthur regarded Samaritan as a child that's why he didn't want to destroy it, not a machine like Harold does.
ReplyDeleteell, if you get the whole symbolism, I don't understand your question. Regarding Root's devotion, seems you missed the big change in it. Originally she also thought the Machine as an "it" - something with which she is at least equal, but more likely superior. (You can't free somebody if you haven't much power than they have.). Sha never saw her as the First Maid of the Female Voice. Being shot and shocked emotionally at the same time put her into a mental state when the contact initiative from the Machine pushed her through a line. Whether it was intentional, a calculated measure from the Machine or not, I don't know (I'm inclined to don't think so, it would have required to many unknown variables to be successfull), but nevertheless, her POV about the Machine now and in S2 are two completely different thing.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Arthur: I have nver felt that he would have thought about his creation as a real being when he created the software. That later on when his mind was partly clouded, his obsession with the greatest achievent of his life get a "humanisation" it doesn't mean he treated it - even in his mind - as a person. It was his brainchild - funny, this kind of transmogrification always happens to characters who doesn't have a REAL LIFE child -, but it doesn't mean that calling it a "child" was more than a metaphore to him.
Holy fuck, a blackout. 3 seasons in, this show still comes up with unique ideas to throw at the Machine/Number/PoI weekly concept. This is going to be epic.
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