NOTE: Please be advised that English is not my first language.
This week's episode makes me wonder what would have been
The Mentalist without Teresa Lisbon. Lately, the show has been focused on her: it's her path, her future with or without Patrick Jane. This point comes to break with Pike's proposal to move with her in D.C. She has to decide whether she stays in Austin or go to Washington. Before start talking about that, let's take a moment to take a look at the case. A woman, Madison, was found dead in an exclusive men's club. Since no one can have any contact with the world outside, how did the woman manage to get in there? Soon, Jane and the team realize she was an escort - and she had an affair with one of the waitress of the club. The key to solve the case was in Jane's little magic show, with the help of his assistent - Teresa Lisbon - on stage. That scene was absolutely pure magic: they trust each other, the have fun together, that's the real power in Jane and Lisbon's relationship. In the end, Lisbon was right
"Women are distraction?"
Back to the love triangle, it becomes clear the bond between Lisbon and Pike. Even Jane looks so compliant when he manages to make Lisbon have her plan with Agent Pike. He wants her to be happy, and if Pike is the right man for her, he's happy too because
"You deserve a good guy." Is Teresa so sure about Patrick's sentence? Meanwhile, she's living her fairy tale: she has a great guy who's totally in love with her, absolutely devoted to her, but does he love his job as much as he love her? Maybe Pike's pushing too much forward when he tells her about the job offer he received in D.C. and then he asked her to move with him. Lisbon is shocked at first, she has almost tears in her eyes; she swallows and I bet she's wondering if that's what she really wants. As it's been said, Pike is the opposite of Jane.
"You're a bad liar, I like that in a man", says Lisbon to Pike. She's learned to recognize when someone's lying thanks to Jane. I've already said a lot about J\L's relationship, but now it's Lisbon turn. This is her journey; in the end, she needs to find herself with or without him - that has been the purpose since
The Mentalist 2.0 started.
What do you think about Pike's proposal? What is Lisbon going to say?
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This week's episode makes me wonder what would have been The Mentalist without Teresa Lisbon. Lately, the show has been focused on her: it's her path, her future with or without Patrick Jane. This point comes to break with Pike's proposal to move with her in D.C. She has to decide whether she stays in Austin or go to Washington. Before start talking about that, let's take a moment to take a look at the case. A woman, Madison, was found dead in an exclusive men's club. Since no one can have any contact with the world outside, how did the woman manage to get in there? Soon, Jane and the team realize she was an escort - and she had an affair with one of the waitress of the club. The key to solve the case was in Jane's little magic show, with the help of his assistent - Teresa Lisbon - on stage. That scene was absolutely pure magic: they trust each other, the have fun together, that's the real power in Jane and Lisbon's relationship. In the end, Lisbon was right "Women are distraction?"
When Pike asks Lisbon to move to DC, I'm pretty sure her first thought is for Jane..she can't live without him but beyond she's tempted by the offer because Marcus is a great guy, she likes him and he represents a solid future and stability..things that Jane has never guaranteed to Lisbon. But the only problem with Marcus is that he's not Jane and In the end Teresa will follow her heart, I'm sure of this.
ReplyDeleteI too believe Lisbon likes Pike but in the end he would bore her. Jane on the other hand represents what she craves excitement, mental challenges, and trouble, If you wonder why I said trouble well you can not have a Saint like Teresa without a Sinner ie Jane, However, one thing I noticed about Jane is when he tells the truth which surprisingly very often it is very brutal, Also Jane's particular sins are not ones which are Personally damaging, His are puncturing social conventions,
ReplyDeleteThank you for reading Ali! Yes, I agree with you: Lisbon will follow her heart!
ReplyDeletePike is a good guy, but in the end, Lisbon will get bored but all this ordinary. Thanks for reading!
ReplyDeleteShe's going to say yes and move to DC with Pike, it's that plain and simple to see. There is nothing I can see that Jane could do or say that could make Lisbon chnage her mind. I mean how can he compete with a guy who was willing to give up a job promotion for her? Lisbon's heart is going to lead her to moving and marrying Pike.
ReplyDeleteAs for what the Mentalist would be like with out her, I don't think it would be any good. I mean Mr. Heller once said that she was like the glue that held everything together, or some type of refrence to that effect, so without her things would defiantly be not great.
Thanks for reading! Pike isn't going to give up the job promotion for her, instead he wants her to go with him! I find that kinda of selfish to be honest, since Lisbon already has a job in Austin.
ReplyDeleteI didn't even notice you were the writer of the piece. I never said Pike was going to give up the promotion, I said he seemed willing to give up the promotion to be with her, which he showed by hinting that he may pass on the promotion before he asked if she would want to come with him. (Doesn't change that there doesn't seem to be anything Jane can do that can compare to that.)
ReplyDeleteI had feels again reading this article. I don't feel that Teresa is so sure about this offer, but even if she accepts, she won't be totaly happy because a piece of her heart belongs there, in Austin, with Patrick Jane. Yes, Marcus seems such a good boy, devoted ect, but when he said he's divorced a question crossed my mind: why he is divorced? I'd like to know more about this. I spent these night wondering if it is due to the fact that he wasn't able to carry on the marriage: there are difficulties, misunderstoodings, is he the kind of man that can manage to fix on those things and keep on? That was just my own opinion and I wanted to share it with you. You might not be agree but hey, the world is various.
ReplyDeleteThanks for reading! I missed the divorce thing, ouch. This is pretty interesting and it may change things. How long has he been married? And why did he divorce? If I were him, I would think twice before starting a new life with another woman again.
ReplyDeleteWell Jane would have chosen the prison if the FBI hadn't accepted his terms, and we all know who was at the top of these terms..I think this is a strong demonstration of love..even if made maybe unconsciously and after all Teresa knows Marcus since a short time, I think it's too early for her this step and I think also that this is a wrong strategy of Pike..he has scared her and maybe he has made her realize who is the man that she really wants in her life.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alice. Lisbon isn't that kind of woman who suddenly decides to create a family and living happily ever after with a man. She has history. Pike scared her with all those news. Jane has history too, but he showed many times how much he cares about Lisbon - he wanted her in Austin to work with her in the first place.
ReplyDeleteYou said it yourself, the show wouldn't work without Lisbon. That's also what Heller is very aware of, you said that as well. Ergo, she's not going anywhere.
ReplyDeleteAbout Pike giving up on a job promotion for her, well, i'm pretty sure he knew exactly what he was doing...which clearly was leading the conversation to that point, so that he gets to have both her and the new job.
That being said, between grasping the opportunity to ask her to go with him\marry him and her actually accepting all this, there's an abyss. I think she's going to accept to go with him in the first place, but not after some thinking. And according to the latest news, she wants to know what Jane feels about it...which suggests me where her heart REALLY is.
While i think she really likes him, i fell like Lisbon's still unconciously hoping for Jane to stop her. It makes sense 'cause there's a reason why she wants to know what Jane thinks about her leaving. I think she'll say yes pushed by Jane himself...just because he wants her to be happy. *Sigh*. And that is also why, contrary to what you say, there's actually SOMETHING Jane can do to make her stay: revealing his feelings for her. He loves her. He'll have to decide whether to tell her or not (and i'm positive he will), but he will finally face what he really feels. And she won't marry Pike because she loves Jane back.
I mean, there's a limit to how much a man in love can take. First, he sees her go out with this guy, and is totally put off by this. As much as it might bother him, he comes to terms with that. She looks happy, Pike's a good guy, he hasn't admitted yet to himself he's crazy in love with Lisbon, so yeah. Then, the offer. I believe this one's gonna be hard to process. Like, he came back after two years with her being his first condition for him to work for the FBI, and now she might leave???? He might decide not to show it, but that's going to hit him hard. And then bam, Pike decides to ask Lisbon to marry him. That's it. I don't believe Jane will be able take more. He will have to stop her and he will succeed ;)
As you said, the 2 years jump was done to show changes in the characters. Lisbon and Jane have changed. She wants to know who she is with or without him, because she needs to find herself; on the other hand, he realizes how much he missed her during the 2 years when he wrote her letters - one of the main subtexts of his gesture is Jane wanted Lisbon to come there with him - and he's not the selfish person he used to be. One last thing to show his feelings will be letting Lisbon go with Pike, in the first place, but then realizes he's made a big mistake because what he really wants is to be with her. Lisbon will realize who she is without him - she'll be missing him.
ReplyDeleteAbout the NY thing, are you referring to 6.10 episode?
Just because the show won't be good without Lisbon doesn't exactly mean that she won't leave, I mean in the quote about the finale Mr. Heller said that whatever happens opens up alot of possiblities if there is a season seven. One of those possiblites could be, should Lisbon indeed leave, who will/can Jane turn to to fill the void that Lisbon left.
ReplyDeleteAlso even if Lisbon doesn't leave, doesn't mean that she won't get together with Pike. She could easily accept Pike's propsal but say that she wants to stay in Austin.
Lisbon wondering what Jane thinks about the possiblity of her leaving isn't the lastest news, I've known about that since the press relase for episode 20 awhile ago. That didn't change my thinking since she could just be wondering if Jane would be okay after she left because she has been the only person he has let get close to him, and that would/could have some effect on a person.
I never said that Jane may not be in love with Lisbon or that he wouldn't possibly tell her that he does, if he does. But it's more of saying it and meaning it is two diffrent things. I mean just because he says that he loves her doesn't mean he that he means it. I mean Jane has lied to Lisbon a bunch of times, so even if he does say it doesn't mean that she will believe him.
Also and more importantly Lisbon would probably have to show that she isn't really happy, because Jane wants Lisbon to be happy, so if she is really happy with Pike then Jane probably won't say or do anything. That is unless they give him a slight character change or he believe that she would be happier with him then with Pike.
Now like I've said in another post here, I would like to see Jane and Lisbon get together, but to me everything is pointing to Lisbon and Pike getting together.
Except for his time on the island, when exactly has Jane showed that he has chnaged?
ReplyDeleteThe whole he lets her go and then realizes he wants her, does seem to have a posible selfess look towards it. (Or that could just be me.)
How was Jane wanting Lisbon to be with him on the island a main subtext exactly, since didn't he say in the letter that we saw him writting that he wished that she was with him? But even then just because he wished she was with him on the island doesn't mean that he loves her. I mean Lisbon is the only person who Jane let get close to him, and the only person he could probably call a true friend, so it wouldn't be much of a suprise that he would want her there with him.
Yeah I'm reffering to episode 6.10, that was titled Green Thumb wasn't it?
I don't think she knows Pike that well to run off to DC with him. Has anybody checked him out? Is he a good guy. Jane has to realize that it's OK for him to love again. Jane and Lisbon belong together.
ReplyDeleteJane is a big believer in free will. Thus he will not try to influence Lisbon's decision. I know that sound counter intuitive but the reason is Jane could manipulate Lisbon in staying with him but it would not be authentic. Lisbon would resent him. So he is doing everything he can to facilitate what she wants.
ReplyDeleteI think the divorce thing can be explained that he is in the FBI. If you are unaware that is much like being in the military with changes in duty stations without your real input. IE needs of the FBI. And also the long hours and maybe not much time to decompress. It makes a pressure cooker environment which many non cops would understand. So Pike's choice in Lisbon is they both know what the job entails and understand what conditions they will be. So from Pike's point of view Lisbon would be the ideal mate. However, he does not understand her yet. He has no background on her family situation or anything she could possibly share in the first few weeks of a relationship.
ReplyDeleteAnd to me what she wasnts is going to be being with Pike.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be so sure that he doesn't know anything about Lisbon's family backgtound. I mean he said that she would have probably liked a deep dish pizza more in episode 16, which means that he knows that she's from Chicago, and I don't recall her ever saying to him that she was from there. So if she didn't tell him then the only way for him to know that would be if either someone else told him looked her up, if he looked her up then he probably would of found some background stuff about her family.
ReplyDeleteThe old Lisbon may not of, but two year time jump Lisbon many.
ReplyDeleteReally she is going to open up in about 2 weeks of meeting someone how rotten her childhood was? I doubt that she has that much confidence,
ReplyDeletePersonally I do not think so.
ReplyDeleteRight the control freak Lisbon would let someone she had just met determine her life?
ReplyDeleteYou seem to think Lisbon's heart id so into Pike? in only two weeks? No I doubt that very much. True she might like him a little bit but love No way. He is unproven.
ReplyDeleteLisbon is not that type. A person can't change her attitude in 2 years.
ReplyDeleteNope because as much as Lisbon wants Jane to do something to stop her, he won't do that because he wants her to be happy. That's why Lisbon will go with Pike in the first place - she thinks that's the best solution. Bu that's how Jane acts. But in the end, as the May sweeps say - you must read them - Jane will realize his feelings for her and he'll go after her.
ReplyDeleteExactly, sure she likes him, but she doesn't love him.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Lisbon is sensitive and reserved woman.
ReplyDeletePeople do change, especailly if they want to or have to. My youngest sister's attitude has changed since she has had daughter last year. So if Lisbon really does love Pike, I can see her attitude changing.
ReplyDeleteIs it really letting someone else determaine your life if you decided that you want to do whatever it is?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that, my gut is telling me that this will end with Lisbon and Pike together.
ReplyDeleteWho really would decide to move to a diffrent city with someone they like. I mean personally I wouldn't move in with a woman I liked, I'd rather move in with a woman that I was in love with.
ReplyDeleteYour own words have you caught. She did move from the police chief in Pacific Northwest to be with Jane in Austin. So she has done it for Jane. I doubt Pike has enough allure for her to do it again this time to DC.
ReplyDeleteMine is saying she will not go to DC.
ReplyDeleteExtremely closed off how long was it before Jane knew about it? 3 or was it 4 years?
ReplyDeleteI can not argue with your logic. Yes Jane and Lisbon are meant for each other. It is only the long suffering Teresa Lisbon who could understand a complicated man like Jane.
ReplyDeleteJust because she moved to Austin doesn't mean she did it for Jane. She was shown to be unhappy being a as Police Chief, and Lisbon has been shown being happy as a detective, so she could have made the move because they were offering her a job she loved to do. I mean remember it was said that she had read the case file while on the plane and had been reading up on stuff that a small town Police Chief probably wouldn't worry about, which pointed to that she missed the job.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that could point to Lisbon doing anything because of Jane would have possibly been taken the Police Chief job in the first place, instead of getting a job as a detective, but even then it's iffy because for all we know the Police Chief job was the only job availble to her at the time.
If Pike didn't hold some allure then she wouldn't decide to go, like it seems suggested she does, and also if he didn't hold some allure then to me it would be an easy descion to make. (Or it would for me.)
You make a strong point that It was an added incentive to accompany Jane but remember there was 2 years of correspondence that Lisbon treasured. So that can not be dismissed so easily.
ReplyDeleteJust because she treasured the correspondnce with Jane though doesn't mean that she will choose to be with him in the end. I mean we don't even know if she still kept the letters since she moved to Austin.
ReplyDeleteThough again if her tresuring the letters Jane sent her is a strong sign that she loves Jane, then it shows that she may feel something equally strong for Pike to consider to move with Pike. (Or at least that's what it would mean to me because if it was me and I had strong feelings for a person who wasn't asking me to move away with them, then my answer would be easy. Though I probably wouldn't have said that I do believe in what I had with the other person if I thought that I maybe in love with someone else. However being that I've moved a lot when I was younger, so I'm not a big fan of moving, therefore if I was seriously considering moving with the person shows how much I love them. Though Like I said that's just me.)
It was never said when Jane learned about Lisbon's past, though the end of the first season episode where they were working the case where the victims mother had been killed by a drunck driver years before, seemed to point that Jane may have learned it from Lisbon's encounter with the victims father when Lisbon told him to get help because he was becoming like her father was. So since it was said that the first season took place about 5 years after the murders of Jane's wife and child I would assume four or five years. However since Jane seems to figure things out about people withough them saying anything, it could be possible that he figured out about Lisbon's past before that.
ReplyDeleteWe have not seen Lisbon's final reaction to the request yet. So I am thinking these thoughts of her moving on with Pike are a bit premature.
ReplyDeleteTrue but she did open up to him. Whether he knew about it before she did that is immaterial
ReplyDeleteAccording to Eonline "Will Lisbon actually leave for Washington, DC with Agent Pike? Her plans are derailed in "Blue Bird Inn," when a new lead in a cold case keeps her around a little longer, giving Jane time to finally come to terms with his feelings for her and decide just what to do about said feelings."
ReplyDeleteThe beginning kind of points to Lisbon having decided to move with Pike.
Kind of sort of in a round about way. However, As I said before Jane is the only one who can let her go or make her want to stay.
ReplyDeleteAll spoliers seem kind of short.
ReplyDeleteEven if Jane tells her how he feels and that he wants to be with her, it's still ultimately Lisbon's desion on wheather she truly wants to be with him or Pike.
It was never shown if she opened up to him about her past. In that episode it was shown that that Jane may have overheard her when she was talking to the victim's father. If I remember correctly there was never an episode where Lisbon talked about her past to Jane.
ReplyDeleteWhen Pike started to talk we her, telling he was able to give up the proposal for, just to fully live this relationship, I wanted him to stay. Today he is the right guy for her. Jane is to self centre. I don`t know if can give her what she needs, maybe he is too damaged.
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