Dean is ALWAYS 'fine', in fact this question has no meaning when asked Dean! The glaring point for me here is Sam showing concern for his brother, sth we hardly saw in Carver era, and that is more than welcomed for me :)
I know they usually choose unrelated/minor cuts for sneak peeks, but this one was kinda funny, a sneak peek about demons in an ep about angels. lol
well seeing the state of the relationship of present all dean has to tell sam that he is fine. I mean its a business relationship right now and he doesn't have to tell sam anything more. I mean its great to see Sam concerned for Dean nice change of pace since always dean worried about sammy. I get the feeling that if the rift is not some what repaired by end of season it will be when they figure out how to save dean. I think intresting change of pace each other in the other shoes for once. Sam worrying about Dean and Dean now dealing with something supernatural going on inside him. I think they needed this view and I am curious how far sam will go to save dean. JMO
well I do not think that will happen sorry to say it but that's what I think anyway. So again Dean is lying to Sam AGAIN! OK! I am just really getting sick of it that I just wish that at the end of the season Abbdon finds out that Sam does not have that tattoo and use his body to save her ass because everybody knows Dean will not kill Sam but I do not think that will happen too so I do not know it be a good twist but not.
Sam did the same thing when he was going through the trials he lied to dean how he was feeling. Sam has his tattoo it got put back on him courtesy of cas. And dean doesn't have to tell sam the truth not with how fractured their relationship is.
Do we really know Cas put that tattoo back on Sam? I know one of TPTB was asked about the tattoo and that was their response but that also doesn't mean it is true. Until I see that tattoo on Sam's chest I do not believe it is there. JMO. Plus, we need a Shirtless!Sam scene. :)
I doubt they will possess Sam again I think done to death I think this is year he wears deans shoes and saves him for a change and shirtless dean is coming up I
I would be fine with that if Dean lives in Sam's shoes for a change with the MOC and does not merely walk away from all this untouched and learning nothing.
Ah Sam has a lesson to learn here to I think that is why he is about to walk in his big brothers shoes when it comes to making life and death choices when a brothers life is on the line. Its easy to say I wouldn't save you not that way but lets see when maybe he is faced with a life and death with deans life on the line. I think that is how both brothers will heal walking in the others shoes for a change.
I had to be a little shallow in wishing for a shirtless Sam scene but for a good reason. :) I don't think they will either but I keep it in the back of my mind because this is SPN and who knows what surprises they will throw at us.
I agree. Sam is going to walk in his big brother's shoes but this time I do want them to finally let Sam save Dean as he should have in S3. I hope we get some great angsty Sam ahead. It will be interesting to see what Sam does have to do to save Dean. I hate to think deal but who knows. At the same time Dean is finally walking in his little brother's shoes and will finally understand what Sam has felt and still feels now. I do hope hope the finale is brother centric, the MoC/Blade story are wrapped up and they are on their way to healing at the end of S9 or start of S10.
Can someone explain to me why fans would want Sam not to have his tattoo back and be either taken over by abaddon or metatron or gadreel again we know metatron and gad he would have to say yes to but really abaddon??? why aren't you happy now to have a sam who has nothing wrong with him??? I mean he has had the visions, demon blood addiction, no soul, the trials and he is fine and why would you wish something else on him? Sam needs to be healthy so he can help Dean recover from whatever he is going through and to fix their broken brotherhood. I would think Sam fans would be dancing in the streets he is fine took 8 years but he is finally sam again. So confused how you would like to see something happen to him. Let Dean have his mytharc and let Sam be there for him.
yes but who got mad at him for lying DEAN! so again Sam can't be mad but dean can here we go again. and no one has talked about the Tat at all after Cas did what he did so Sam can get possess again and the writers repeat themselves a lot on the show so it can happen. and look what happen in S3 and S8 they will never let Sam save Dean sad but true they will F-ed him over again like they did in S8 so I am saying Why save Dean anyway? But they can shock me but I not betting on it.
well why did they take it off in the 1st place? can you tell me that? he and Dean needs it right? or they can get possessed do you remember the part when Abaddon looked at dean's tat in the 2nd Ep and she was ready to take it off to get inside. so why did they take it off Sam and not yet so us that he put it back on for all we know it off? and yes I do know they took it off for the crowly thing but why have not we seen anything about Sam putting it back on I like to see it but never will and that sucks.
I guess I see it more as a twist involving Abaddon. If she were to possess Sam, not that it is going to happen, it would be more of a test to see if Dean would kill her while she was possessing Sam. I don't think that would interfere with Dean's arc or Sam being there for him. Sam to me is not mentally healthy but once things really hit the fan I think he can still be ready to help save his brother. Once it is all over, both Sam and Dean still have a lot of recovering to do and hopefully TPTB have them doing this together not apart.
well like dean's disappearing hand print which when he got cured at end of s5 it disappeared. so I am guessing that the producers or writers would not let sam not have the tattoo. I mean he was just taken over by gad I doubt they would do it twice and does abaddon know that dean has cain's mark I mean they maybe looking for the weapon I doubt very much its her people I think that Crowley is doing this and trying to push dean just to kill abaddon. I mean abaddon was eyeing dean as her potential new body not sam.
If they do a twist personally I think they will do it as they kind of set out at the beginning of the season.
She says she wants to wear Dean and was going for his tattoo when she got distracted by Zeke/Gadreel. So who is to say the finale isn't going to be a Sam facing a Abaddon wearing his big brother marked by mark of Cain. It would tie into the role reversal stuff, because every time Sam has become super powered Dean has always been the one going on about the consequences while someone else has been saying let Sam get to the end of it or use it.
Even without powers or gifts, Dean has been physically greater or equal to Sam in a fight. What would he be like powered and not really him. How would Sam take it seeing how like it or not Sam is very use to Dean coming through for him in a pinch or not really having to depended on Sam even if he may not agree to Dean's methods in the long run.
Sam can be concerned all he damn well likes, we've seen it before. But we have never really seen him trying to actually come through for Dean in a physical way in a similar style that Dean did for him standing in that cemetery and preparing to die for no other reason than he didn't want his brother to be alone in a no win situation.
Sam is mad at the other lies that dean told when he had gad in him I think he knows what its like to sit there and say its alright when you are not but you have to remember this is not his big brother lying to him right now Sam called this relationship business not brotherly so Dean to me does not have to be truthful. I am sure if it was brotherly Dean would be truthful on how he was feeling. But since the fight is no where near resolved which is on both of them not just one or the other neither have tried to fix it then its going to be interesting to watch them walking in each other shoes to have Dean telling him he is not fine when he asks sam did that during the trials. I think that is the one thing they have never done is have sam save Dean its been the other way around so its about time Sam step up and save his brother. He couldn't save him from hell, or purgatory so this maybe sam's redemption saving him from the mark.
Interesting take as well. My only question would be if Abaddon would possess Dean what good would that do anyone. You have to have the mark to kill her and Sam does not or are you thinking more along the lines that Sam wouldn't kill Dean and she would be safe. I also wondered why didn't she possess Cain. She possessed the one he loves the most and that would be another reason she could possess Sam (not that she is). You also make a good point about Sam not saying to Dean that they need to figure out how to remove the mark but when he is doing research on his laptop are we sure he isn't looking into that.
I think that if something does happen to Dean that Sam can't stop or he loses Dean he will be devastated but it could also be what he needs to experience what Dean goes through and vice-a-versa for Dean experiencing Supernatural effects. TPTB really need to get Sam's story going with this so we get the angst and worry from Sam like we always get from Dean. I am really interested to see how TPTB write Sam in these upcoming episodes.
The mark is something new and something we have not seen before sam having a angel or demon possess him we have seen before and I would hope that the writers would be original and I do believe that the writer would not say hey the tattoo is there if it wasn't. I think this is sam's redemption in saving dean and realizing how hard it is to make a choice to save someone you love who is all set to die and also to wear deans shoes for a change where as the same thing that dean is doing by having something possess him that he can't control where sam has been and for the brothers to be in each others shoes and to bring an end to the fighting. Sam will show dean the light at the end of the tunnel and not die with a gun in his hand and maybe sam can live his life as a MOL and grow old and have kids. JMO
Interesting take on what may happen. If they really are going for a role reversal I really hope they kick Sam's story up a notch and give him the emotional growth and POV he needs. It would be nice to see TPTB do this and soon. There are only 6 episodes left. I believe Sam would choose Dean over stopping Abaddon. Sam has never done well without Dean. However, it makes me wonder if this is when we will hear what a hypocrite Sam is because what the writers have done so far has made Sam look so horrible.
I don't always trust the powers to be especially after this season. As I said, until I see the tattoo it is not there but everyone is interpreting that their own way. As for Sam's redemption, I hope they show us something and soon. I am one of those people that don't see them giving us any insight into Sam but I do want him to save Dean in the finale and making it brother-centric. It would be great if S10 dealt with the brothers healing together while hunting and not having anything Supernatural effecting either one of them. Sam showing Dean the light would be great but I do not seeing Sam having a family.
Don't forget Cas has a price to pay for the stealing of another's grace. Carver mentioned it in an interview and maybe that ties in/wraps up Castiel's storyline.
Really do agree with you about what they need to do with Sam. For me I've disconnected with him for years because of the lack of it and the fact that he turns into a damsel in distress that suddenly saves the day or learns a life lesson. If they continue down that route he is eventually going to become one of the Disney Princesses.
I also believe Sam would chose Dean over stopping Abaddon but Sam needs to get to the point where we see that he truly accepts why he is making that decision. He has to do it because he doesn't want his brother to get hurt. It is a selfish reason but it has got to be the primary reason for Sam's actions for it to work for a role reversal and to learn to be in each others shoes. Granted the idea of Dean being possessed by Abaddon is something I think could be interesting though.
But if Sam chooses Dean over getting Abaddon it isn't the decision that is the important part it is seeing how Sam reacts afterwards. If when he hadn't looked he had kept to the whole 'I fell apart and just ran and in my head I was still running' I don't think the fall out would have been so bad. It was the fact he hung on to an agreement that dragged Dean into his decision. Same with him going off with Ruby, it wasn't the whole screwing up, it was the fact he dragged Dean into his reasoning. I accept Sam in many cases is in a no win situation, he is going to get it in the neck for some of what he does but it is his reaction to it that it the maturity bit I hope Carver is going for. I want to see how Sam deals with being called a hypocrite because like it or not everyone is. It is his reaction to things like that that is making him look horrible, the being pissed at Dean for the possession is one thing but holding Dean responsible for him stopping the trials is a bit much.
Dean has been tested and Abaddon seem more intrested in Deans why not him I mean he is the most feared hunter and she doesn't know he has the mark of cain. And Dean has never been possessed by demon or angel. His vessel has never been used where Sam has had a demon an angel and lucifer so he is a used vessel. And abaddon has really been eyeing dean more then sam. I think sam is to MOL dean on the other hand has a rep in hell. So if I were her I would still want his vessel.
We have never really seen what Sam has gone through when something has happend in a season when Dean went to hell or purgatory. S10 maybe the season we see him actually have a reaction and come through for Dean since he has not been able to in the past. And he needs to see that its hard being Dean having to make descisions that are not so easy. Dean will learn that taking on something supernatural and what sam has been through experiencing it will really make him think of consequences of his own actions. I think this will serve the brotherly bond. Both have lessons to learn and I will find it intresting if the writers go thrat route.
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oh...guess the 'yeah I'm fine' cycle is back. Last year Samn was 'fine' when doing the tasks, now it seems to be Deans turn to be 'fine'
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Dean is ALWAYS 'fine', in fact this question has no meaning when asked Dean! The glaring point for me here is Sam showing concern for his brother, sth we hardly saw in Carver era, and that is more than welcomed for me :)
ReplyDeleteI know they usually choose unrelated/minor cuts for sneak peeks, but this one was kinda funny, a sneak peek about demons in an ep about angels. lol
well seeing the state of the relationship of present all dean has to tell sam that he is fine. I mean its a business relationship right now and he doesn't have to tell sam anything more. I mean its great to see Sam concerned for Dean nice change of pace since always dean worried about sammy. I get the feeling that if the rift is not some what repaired by end of season it will be when they figure out how to save dean. I think intresting change of pace each other in the other shoes for once. Sam worrying about Dean and Dean now dealing with something supernatural going on inside him. I think they needed this view and I am curious how far sam will go to save dean. JMO
ReplyDeletewell I do not think that will happen sorry to say it but that's what I think anyway. So again Dean is lying to Sam AGAIN! OK! I am just really getting sick of it that I just wish that at the end of the season Abbdon finds out that Sam does not have that tattoo and use his body to save her ass because everybody knows Dean will not kill Sam but I do not think that will happen too so I do not know it be a good twist but not.
ReplyDeleteSam did the same thing when he was going through the trials he lied to dean how he was feeling. Sam has his tattoo it got put back on him courtesy of cas. And dean doesn't have to tell sam the truth not with how fractured their relationship is.
ReplyDeleteDo we really know Cas put that tattoo back on Sam? I know one of TPTB was asked about the tattoo and that was their response but that also doesn't mean it is true. Until I see that tattoo on Sam's chest I do not believe it is there. JMO. Plus, we need a Shirtless!Sam scene. :)
ReplyDeleteI doubt they will possess Sam again I think done to death I think this is year he wears deans shoes and saves him for a change and shirtless dean is coming up I
ReplyDeleteI would be fine with that if Dean lives in Sam's shoes for a change with the MOC and does not merely walk away from all this untouched and learning nothing.
ReplyDeleteAh Sam has a lesson to learn here to I think that is why he is about to walk in his big brothers shoes when it comes to making life and death choices when a brothers life is on the line. Its easy to say I wouldn't save you not that way but lets see when maybe he is faced with a life and death with deans life on the line. I think that is how both brothers will heal walking in the others shoes for a change.
ReplyDeleteI had to be a little shallow in wishing for a shirtless Sam scene but for a good reason. :) I don't think they will either but I keep it in the back of my mind because this is SPN and who knows what surprises they will throw at us.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Sam is going to walk in his big brother's shoes but this time I do want them to finally let Sam save Dean as he should have in S3. I hope we get some great angsty Sam ahead. It will be interesting to see what Sam does have to do to save Dean. I hate to think deal but who knows. At the same time Dean is finally walking in his little brother's shoes and will finally understand what Sam has felt and still feels now. I do hope hope the finale is brother centric, the MoC/Blade story are wrapped up and they are on their way to healing at the end of S9 or start of S10.
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain to me why fans would want Sam not to have his tattoo back and be either taken over by abaddon or metatron or gadreel again we know metatron and gad he would have to say yes to but really abaddon??? why aren't you happy now to have a sam who has nothing wrong with him??? I mean he has had the visions, demon blood addiction, no soul, the trials and he is fine and why would you wish something else on him? Sam needs to be healthy so he can help Dean recover from whatever he is going through and to fix their broken brotherhood. I would think Sam fans would be dancing in the streets he is fine took 8 years but he is finally sam again. So confused how you would like to see something happen to him. Let Dean have his mytharc and let Sam be there for him.
ReplyDeleteyes but who got mad at him for lying DEAN! so again Sam can't be mad but dean can here we go again. and no one has talked about the Tat at all after Cas did what he did so Sam can get possess again and the writers repeat themselves a lot on the show so it can happen. and look what happen in S3 and S8 they will never let Sam save Dean sad but true they will F-ed him over again like they did in S8 so I am saying Why save Dean anyway? But they can shock me but I not betting on it.
ReplyDeletewell why did they take it off in the 1st place? can you tell me that? he and Dean needs it right? or they can get possessed do you remember the part when Abaddon looked at dean's tat in the 2nd Ep and she was ready to take it off to get inside. so why did they take it off Sam and not yet so us that he put it back on for all we know it off? and yes I do know they took it off for the crowly thing but why have not we seen anything about Sam putting it back on I like to see it but never will and that sucks.
ReplyDeleteI guess I see it more as a twist involving Abaddon. If she were to possess Sam, not that it is going to happen, it would be more of a test to see if Dean would kill her while she was possessing Sam. I don't think that would interfere with Dean's arc or Sam being there for him. Sam to me is not mentally healthy but once things really hit the fan I think he can still be ready to help save his brother. Once it is all over, both Sam and Dean still have a lot of recovering to do and hopefully TPTB have them doing this together not apart.
ReplyDeleteFor me, Sam's tattoo is not there until I see it there.
ReplyDeletewell like dean's disappearing hand print which when he got cured at end of s5 it disappeared. so I am guessing that the producers or writers would not let sam not have the tattoo. I mean he was just taken over by gad I doubt they would do it twice and does abaddon know that dean has cain's mark I mean they maybe looking for the weapon I doubt very much its her people I think that Crowley is doing this and trying to push dean just to kill abaddon. I mean abaddon was eyeing dean as her potential new body not sam.
ReplyDeleteIf they do a twist personally I think they will do it as they kind of set out at the beginning of the season.
ReplyDeleteShe says she wants to wear Dean and was going for his tattoo when she got distracted by Zeke/Gadreel. So who is to say the finale isn't going to be a Sam facing a Abaddon wearing his big brother marked by mark of Cain. It would tie into the role reversal stuff, because every time Sam has become super powered Dean has always been the one going on about the consequences while someone else has been saying let Sam get to the end of it or use it.
Even without powers or gifts, Dean has been physically greater or equal to Sam in a fight. What would he be like powered and not really him. How would Sam take it seeing how like it or not Sam is very use to Dean coming through for him in a pinch or not really having to depended on Sam even if he may not agree to Dean's methods in the long run.
Sam can be concerned all he damn well likes, we've seen it before. But we have never really seen him trying to actually come through for Dean in a physical way in a similar style that Dean did for him standing in that cemetery and preparing to die for no other reason than he didn't want his brother to be alone in a no win situation.
Sam is mad at the other lies that dean told when he had gad in him I think he knows what its like to sit there and say its alright when you are not but you have to remember this is not his big brother lying to him right now Sam called this relationship business not brotherly so Dean to me does not have to be truthful. I am sure if it was brotherly Dean would be truthful on how he was feeling. But since the fight is no where near resolved which is on both of them not just one or the other neither have tried to fix it then its going to be interesting to watch them walking in each other shoes to have Dean telling him he is not fine when he asks sam did that during the trials. I think that is the one thing they have never done is have sam save Dean its been the other way around so its about time Sam step up and save his brother. He couldn't save him from hell, or purgatory so this maybe sam's redemption saving him from the mark.
ReplyDeleteInteresting take as well. My only question would be if Abaddon would possess Dean what good would that do anyone. You have to have the mark to kill her and Sam does not or are you thinking more along the lines that Sam wouldn't kill Dean and she would be safe. I also wondered why didn't she possess Cain. She possessed the one he loves the most and that would be another reason she could possess Sam (not that she is). You also make a good point about Sam not saying to Dean that they need to figure out how to remove the mark but when he is doing research on his laptop are we sure he isn't looking into that.
ReplyDeleteI think that if something does happen to Dean that Sam can't stop or he loses Dean he will be devastated but it could also be what he needs to experience what Dean goes through and vice-a-versa for Dean experiencing Supernatural effects. TPTB really need to get Sam's story going with this so we get the angst and worry from Sam like we always get from Dean. I am really interested to see how TPTB write Sam in these upcoming episodes.
The mark is something new and something we have not seen before sam having a angel or demon possess him we have seen before and I would hope that the writers would be original and I do believe that the writer would not say hey the tattoo is there if it wasn't. I think this is sam's redemption in saving dean and realizing how hard it is to make a choice to save someone you love who is all set to die and also to wear deans shoes for a change where as the same thing that dean is doing by having something possess him that he can't control where sam has been and for the brothers to be in each others shoes and to bring an end to the fighting. Sam will show dean the light at the end of the tunnel and not die with a gun in his hand and maybe sam can live his life as a MOL and grow old and have kids. JMO
ReplyDeleteInteresting take on what may happen. If they really are going for a role reversal I really hope they kick Sam's story up a notch and give him the emotional growth and POV he needs. It would be nice to see TPTB do this and soon. There are only 6 episodes left. I believe Sam would choose Dean over stopping Abaddon. Sam has never done well without Dean. However, it makes me wonder if this is when we will hear what a hypocrite Sam is because what the writers have done so far has made Sam look so horrible.
ReplyDeleteI don't always trust the powers to be especially after this season. As I said, until I see the tattoo it is not there but everyone is interpreting that their own way. As for Sam's redemption, I hope they show us something and soon. I am one of those people that don't see them giving us any insight into Sam but I do want him to save Dean in the finale and making it brother-centric. It would be great if S10 dealt with the brothers healing together while hunting and not having anything Supernatural effecting either one of them. Sam showing Dean the light would be great but I do not seeing Sam having a family.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Cas has a price to pay for the stealing of another's grace. Carver mentioned it in an interview and maybe that ties in/wraps up Castiel's storyline.
ReplyDeleteReally do agree with you about what they need to do with Sam. For me I've disconnected with him for years because of the lack of it and the fact that he turns into a damsel in distress that suddenly saves the day or learns a life lesson. If they continue down that route he is eventually going to become one of the Disney Princesses.
ReplyDeleteI also believe Sam would chose Dean over stopping Abaddon but Sam needs to get to the point where we see that he truly accepts why he is making that decision. He has to do it because he doesn't want his brother to get hurt. It is a selfish reason but it has got to be the primary reason for Sam's actions for it to work for a role reversal and to learn to be in each others shoes. Granted the idea of Dean being possessed by Abaddon is something I think could be interesting though.
But if Sam chooses Dean over getting Abaddon it isn't the decision that is the important part it is seeing how Sam reacts afterwards. If when he hadn't looked he had kept to the whole 'I fell apart and just ran and in my head I was still running' I don't think the fall out would have been so bad. It was the fact he hung on to an agreement that dragged Dean into his decision. Same with him going off with Ruby, it wasn't the whole screwing up, it was the fact he dragged Dean into his reasoning. I accept Sam in many cases is in a no win situation, he is going to get it in the neck for some of what he does but it is his reaction to it that it the maturity bit I hope Carver is going for. I want to see how Sam deals with being called a hypocrite because like it or not everyone is. It is his reaction to things like that that is making him look horrible, the being pissed at Dean for the possession is one thing but holding Dean responsible for him stopping the trials is a bit much.
Dean has been tested and Abaddon seem more intrested in Deans why not him I mean he is the most feared hunter and she doesn't know he has the mark of cain. And Dean has never been possessed by demon or angel. His vessel has never been used where Sam has had a demon an angel and lucifer so he is a used vessel. And abaddon has really been eyeing dean more then sam. I think sam is to MOL dean on the other hand has a rep in hell. So if I were her I would still want his vessel.
ReplyDeleteWe have never really seen what Sam has gone through when something has happend in a season when Dean went to hell or purgatory. S10 maybe the season we see him actually have a reaction and come through for Dean since he has not been able to in the past. And he needs to see that its hard being Dean having to make descisions that are not so easy. Dean will learn that taking on something supernatural and what sam has been through experiencing it will really make him think of consequences of his own actions. I think this will serve the brotherly bond. Both have lessons to learn and I will find it intresting if the writers go thrat route.
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