I can't see them getting rid of Cas he is to popular. Maybe after the season is over they will talk with Misha. But I can't see them getting rid of him. Its like killing off crowley finally and look how long he has been around.
Maybe they're tying up loose ends and getting rid of the angels storyline. It wouldn't make any sense to continue it to season 10, it's dragged on for too long.
I don't like it. It makes me afraid that they are planning on wrapping up everything, including the MoC and the brothers' rift with a last minute "Hail Mary" speech from Sam that will miraculously free Dean from the MoC so they will be back together for the end of the season. To me, that would make this whole brother strife pointless and not allow the brothers to grow or learn to work equally. I would like the Metatron story line wrapped up, though, considering I have no interest in the angels outside of Cas.
It's not that they didn't approach Misha - it's just very hush hush because ~spoilers~. The whole cast signs an NDA agreement not to give anything away, and that includes who's coming back. I would be shocked if he wasn't in s10, though. There would be a massive fandom revolt and I don't think they're willing to lose so much of their audience who are Cas devotees.
They can't get rid of him. I can't imagine SPN without him now. The Winchesters need him (especially Dean, who loses EVERYONE), and he needs them. He's family.
I didn't remember that, lol. But I don't think we'll see "God" on the show, ever. I don't like the idea that he just doesn't care, but that's the way they intended to go, especially if he was indeed Chuck I'm 50/50 about it still).
I know that's what the characters believe (that "God" doesn't care) but He did save them and clean Sam out. I prefer to believe that He is working through the other characters while still allowing everyone Freewill which is supposed to be a huge part of humanity. He's never said that He didn't care just that He wasn't going to be the one to clean up the world because that's not His place. It's kinda the whole point, just like the story being about two brothers and the choices that they make as they choose family. Freewill/Choice vs. Destiny doesn't go very far if "God" intercedes too much, and he has interceded alot if you count how many times he's brought Cas and the brothers back from the brink.
I, for one, hope they never go down that road to actually try to show "God" on the show. I know Kripke stated in at ComiCon that he never wanted a character on the show to come and say that. And, I definitely never believed that Chuck was. A prophet, definitely, but not God (Kripke addressed that as well). I prefer the show just the way it is right now on that issue.
That song was in the season 6 episode, "Mommie Dearest". Now, every time I hear that refrain I see Eve headed into that bar. Obviously, I have a big Supernatural problem. ;-)
I don't "want" Cas to leave but it might be better for the character if they don't start writing him better, instead of writing him so different all the time. I still prefer early season 4 Cas.
Supernatural gets very metaphysical and this is what makes it more than a show, and I would argue, deeper than many films that take a juvenile popcorn approach to Biblical lore. Why many of us come back for the story arc.
Being God isn't Easy
Your idea is reminiscent of the Futurama episode Godfellas. "Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker or a pickpocket."
No Free Will Without Consequence
What about the question that bothers Dean, "why does all this evil exist?" It may be part of the same philosophy. Perhaps, evil just happens as a cosmological side effect of free will. One may choose to be good, or evil, but in the end, the point is it was always their choice.
No, Watson, this was not done by accident, but by design. — SHERLOCK HOLMES
On Writing...
I hope they deliver a profound message in the end. I will remember Season 8/9 as one of the better ones, but there's so much noise with subplots and characters. The writing needs more focus and integrity. Make characters important. Make us care about them. The angel war was a good example of a bad character-depth ratio.
Good, insightful post. It also reminds of what Cas said to Dean at the end of Swan Song when Dean asked Cas 'where his reward was?' and Cas answered (from transcript) "You got what you asked for Dean. No Paradise. No Hell. Just more of the same. I mean it Dean. What would you rather have? Peace - or freedom?"
"God" didn't save Dean from Hell (the 'Senior Mgmt angels and demons and wanted Dean to 'break' in Hell to start the seal breaking/apocalypse/ ball l rolling) nor did "God" raise Sam from the Cage because both choices were made of their own Free Will.
I don't think so... I think it -the 'handprint'- was discussed after The Slice Girls. I not the biggest Cas Fan but I speculate the character's 'extended' purpose in S4 was not only to provide an alternative way to save Dean but to 'embody' something of Kripke's original philosophy - the successes in the many Battles for G vs E come to the exercise of Free Will. Cas (and Anna - Anna was supposed to assume Cas' role) 'broke ranks' with Heaven to think for themselves and this enabled them to discern right from wrong. That's why Cas got Dean out of the Green Room in Heaven, took him to Chuck and then to Sam, while staying behind to hold the angels off. Free Will over Destiny has been the most potent theme of the show.
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This one is great! I love it.
ReplyDeleteyou sexy thing - hot chocolate?
ReplyDeleteThey'll reword it
ReplyDeleteNo, but I liked the title.
ReplyDeleteWith this set of writers? No. No I don't.
ReplyDeletemaybe god will finally make an appearence or sth like that
ReplyDeletethis sounds too positive, with SPN this 'miracle' will blow up in our faces.
ReplyDeleteProbably Cas will bite the dust (they didn't approach Misha for season 10 -,-)
I can't see them getting rid of Cas he is to popular. Maybe after the season is over they will talk with Misha. But I can't see them getting rid of him. Its like killing off crowley finally and look how long he has been around.
ReplyDeleteIm scared.
ReplyDeleteLove the title, hope it's a good episode.
ReplyDeletelol Spoke my mind.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they're tying up loose ends and getting rid of the angels storyline. It wouldn't make any sense to continue it to season 10, it's dragged on for too long.
ReplyDeleteI don't like it.
ReplyDeleteIt makes me afraid that they are planning on wrapping up everything, including the MoC and the brothers' rift with a last minute "Hail Mary" speech from Sam that will miraculously free Dean from the MoC so they will be back together for the end of the season. To me, that would make this whole brother strife pointless and not allow the brothers to grow or learn to work equally.
I would like the Metatron story line wrapped up, though, considering I have no interest in the angels outside of Cas.
In next episode's promo they showed Metatron writing about Cass opening a door and the trio coming face to face with God, who smiles at them.
ReplyDeleteIs he pulling a Chuck? Is that the miracle the title is refereing to?
It's not that they didn't approach Misha - it's just very hush hush because ~spoilers~. The whole cast signs an NDA agreement not to give anything away, and that includes who's coming back. I would be shocked if he wasn't in s10, though. There would be a massive fandom revolt and I don't think they're willing to lose so much of their audience who are Cas devotees.
ReplyDeleteBut I love the angels. They can't get rid of Cas - they'd be insane to try.
ReplyDeleteThey can't get rid of him. I can't imagine SPN without him now. The Winchesters need him (especially Dean, who loses EVERYONE), and he needs them. He's family.
ReplyDeleteI Believe in Miracles, You Sexy Thing. something like that from that commercial back then.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling this will be the end of Metatron and Heaven will open again. If they bring Kevin back he may also get to go to Heaven.
ReplyDeleteAnd, being Supernatural, a lot of terrible things will likely happen too.
I hope that Cas won't leave. Not sure I'd still watch without him.
Thank you for this, I tried to read it, but wasn't able to.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that Castiel said that Metatron is playing God, I think he might be the "god" of his writings.
Never tought about that! I guess i wanted that line Dean said to Cass at the end of Season 5 to come true: "If you see God, tell him he's next".
ReplyDeleteI always tought that should had been the new arc after Lucifer was done.
I didn't remember that, lol. But I don't think we'll see "God" on the show, ever. I don't like the idea that he just doesn't care, but that's the way they intended to go, especially if he was indeed Chuck I'm 50/50 about it still).
ReplyDeleteI know that's what the characters believe (that "God" doesn't care) but He did save them and clean Sam out. I prefer to believe that He is working through the other characters while still allowing everyone Freewill which is supposed to be a huge part of humanity. He's never said that He didn't care just that He wasn't going to be the one to clean up the world because that's not His place. It's kinda the whole point, just like the story being about two brothers and the choices that they make as they choose family. Freewill/Choice vs. Destiny doesn't go very far if "God" intercedes too much, and he has interceded alot if you count how many times he's brought Cas and the brothers back from the brink.
ReplyDeleteI, for one, hope they never go down that road to actually try to show "God" on the show. I know Kripke stated in at ComiCon that he never wanted a character on the show to come and say that. And, I definitely never believed that Chuck was. A prophet, definitely, but not God (Kripke addressed that as well). I prefer the show just the way it is right now on that issue.
That song was in the season 6 episode, "Mommie Dearest". Now, every time I hear that refrain I see Eve headed into that bar. Obviously, I have a big Supernatural problem. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI don't "want" Cas to leave but it might be better for the character if they don't start writing him better, instead of writing him so different all the time. I still prefer early season 4 Cas.
ReplyDelete"Do You Believe in Miracles"
ReplyDeleteSure, just give me canon destiel. :p
Yeah, S.E. Hinton has said the finale has a big crazy twist and cliffhanger. So that should be interesting.
ReplyDeleteMy current theory is Misha will be playing Jimmy Novak in season 10.
ReplyDeleteSupernatural gets very metaphysical and this is what makes it more than a show, and I would argue, deeper than many films that take a juvenile popcorn approach to Biblical lore. Why many of us come back for the story arc.
ReplyDeleteBeing God isn't Easy
Your idea is reminiscent of the Futurama episode Godfellas. "Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker or a pickpocket."
No Free Will Without Consequence
What about the question that bothers Dean, "why does all this evil exist?" It may be part of the same philosophy. Perhaps, evil just happens as a cosmological side effect of free will. One may choose to be good, or evil, but in the end, the point is it was always their choice.
No, Watson, this was not done by accident, but by design.
— SHERLOCK HOLMES
On Writing...
I hope they deliver a profound message in the end. I will remember Season 8/9 as one of the better ones, but there's so much noise with subplots and characters. The writing needs more focus and integrity. Make characters important. Make us care about them. The angel war was a good example of a bad character-depth ratio.
Good, insightful post. It also reminds of what Cas said to Dean at the end of Swan Song when Dean asked Cas 'where his reward was?' and Cas answered (from transcript) "You got what you asked for Dean. No Paradise. No Hell. Just more of the
ReplyDeletesame. I mean it Dean. What would you rather have? Peace - or freedom?"
"God" didn't save Dean from Hell (the 'Senior Mgmt angels and demons and wanted Dean to 'break' in Hell to start the seal breaking/apocalypse/ ball l rolling) nor did "God" raise Sam from the Cage because both choices were made of their own Free Will.
That line was brilliant. I think it carries through the entire show. I wonder if Dean still bears the mark of Castiel's handprint.
ReplyDeleteI don't think so... I think it -the 'handprint'- was discussed after The Slice Girls. I not the biggest Cas Fan but I speculate the character's 'extended' purpose in S4 was not only to provide an alternative way to save Dean but to 'embody' something of Kripke's original philosophy - the successes in the many Battles for G vs E come to the exercise of Free Will. Cas (and Anna - Anna was supposed to assume Cas' role) 'broke ranks' with Heaven to think for themselves and this enabled them to discern right from wrong. That's why Cas got Dean out of the Green Room in Heaven, took him to Chuck and then to Sam, while staying behind to hold the angels off. Free Will over Destiny has been the most potent theme of the show.
ReplyDeleteNicely put. if you ever have time, it'd be nice to share some more thoughts in Supernatural. feel free to drop me a line at snjup@dropjar.com.
ReplyDeleteHere's the most important question ... WILL THERE BE HOCKEY?
ReplyDeletemishca collins signed for season 10 already.
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