This is the first ep in a long time that I want to watch again..Awesome job Misha. Loved the backstory, just all around excellent ep, writing, acting and directing.
Seriously, "Mother's Little Helper" is the best episode of the season, so far - and, honestly, I'll be surprised if they can top it, though I can't wait to see them try! Misha's directing was phenomenal, the music was haunting and sad and everybody turned in such great performances. Misha and Adam Glass effectively saved season nein for me.
Loved the backstory on how Abbadon came into Josie's body from and what her real strategy is all along.
The scene where Sam released the souls to go back into the people's bodies was beautiful and the music during that scene was absolutely gorgeous. I had chills.
Misha did an excellent job directing this episode! Easily one of the best this season. A+
And hell yes to Sam finally recording an exorcism on his phone! It only took them 9 seasons but they finally did it. Bad thing is now he just has to get a new phone XD
Well, now we know how Abaddon got her meat-suit. I always like it when they acknowledge things that have happened in the past - like Sam losing his soul. It's too bad they've forgotten all about Adam.
I wonder if it's easier to direct an episode you're not in. A lot of the time when an actor on a series directs an episode they're in the episode - but since Misha wasn't in the episode he got to focus just on directing and not acting.
this was a Ep I really did like not like last weeks but this was good the backstory about Abaddon and what she is doing now and Sam getting to do stuff now a + by me and phone awesome and he freeing the soul's great. A big thank you too Misha he did a great job on this one it was good.
Loved this episode, except for the part when Sam told Dean he was right about them going after Abaddon. Like Dean knew what Abaddon was doing. Makes me wonder if Crowley wants Dean to kill Abaddon and then he'll control Abaddon's army. Crowley probably knows what Abaddon is doing. This was a really refreshing episode because finally Sam got to be on his own and show what a great hunter he really is. He doesn't need Dean to save him all the time. MIsha Collins is awesome and I hope to hell he directs another episode like this one. The writer of this episode was great as well, whoever it was. LOL
I really liked this episode. Even though I get Dean is being affected by the Mark of Cain, the way he was lying and treating Sam ticked me off. Especially since Sam seemed worried--in a brother way--about Dean as well as asking Dean for help and Dean just blowing him off. Although with Dean blowing Sam off, we got to see Sam rise up and show how awesome he can be, so that was cool.
I meant the whole thing - Sam was very concerned about Dean at the start of the episode and Dean just shut it all out. I think he can't deal with any emotion from Sam now. It's too painful.
There's also the possibility that since Dean's feeling off because of MoC and what happened in the last episode to begin with, he might have thought that going to a town where people are suddenly turning abnormally violent when he's already excessively irritable, not sleeping and drinking was probably not the best of ideas. Of course, he couldn't say all that but IMO that's what was going on. He also is more than understandably worried so he's wanting to get Abbadon and hopes he can get the MoC removed after. Like it would be that easy.
it's like with Sam last season when he was hiding the getting sick thing and puking blood and not telling Dean OH wait did dean get pissed off for Sam not tell him the problems he was having.
It's kinda wonky to say 'well, I get he's being affected by the Mark' and then the very next sentence, say 'but he ticked me off with how he was treating Sam.' At this point? Dean has little to no control over what he's doing. The Mark is tainting his interactions with *everyone*, not just Sam.
Good episode. One of my favorites this season. Beautifully directed by Misha - lots of absolutely gorgeous shots here. I know visual effects are a part of that, but the lighting and the touches like the painting on the wall of the diner were Misha.
What a nice episode for Sam. Strong, able to be alone, confident, kick-ass, compassionate, intelligent. This has been a good run of Sam episodes lately. I feel like I know him again.
The flashbacks could have been more (and I wish Josie had just been Henry's friend, instead of loving him), but I was so happy to see Alaina Huffman back. She so clearly differentiated Josie and Abaddon. She's still chilling as Abaddon, yet she was tough and funny as Josie.
Henry was so much more like Sam and Dean here than he was in the previous episode. I finally bought him as a Winchester.
Dean absolutely broke my heart, although Jensen looked gorgeous. Crowley manipulating him was difficult to watch, but was so skillfully done. Mark and Jensen are great scene partners. I don't remember them ever having a chance for such a rich onscreen relationship together.
We have been needing a episode like this for a long time where we get to see how good of a hunter Sam really is and that shows no he really does not need Dean running in and saving the day all the time so yeah its about time we get to see a episode where we get to see that Sam really can handle and take care of his own shit!
Misha did a great job. But I have an issue with it story wise. I'm fairly positive that when Sam was souless he didn't go around murdering people willy nilly and smear creepy blood messages on walls.
Really solid episode, which hasn't been the case too often this season. Storyline flowed well & was relevant to the story arc for the season. The Abaddon back story was good. Acting was solid. Gave it a Great rating.
The mark is not taking Dean's choices away from him. He was pretty much in control when he convinced the "hunter" to give up hunting Crowley. So yeah telling lies to Sam is all on him, especially when his partner needs help on a case and you prefer stay drinking beer.
How could anyone not say this episode was anything other than AWESOME!! Loved it... great job Misha (loved the close ups). Jensen gave us his usual Emmy-worthy performance - just wish we knew a bit more about Sam's POV. Dark moody Dean is pure sex. Bravo!! Season 9 is ramping up for a blockbuster finale. Don't let us down, writers....
I know fans have been complaining about this for a while now but I was completely taken aback by the fact that Sam couldn't be bothered to finish the exorcism and just killed the nun instead.
I know, right? Soulless Sam didn't intentionally murder people so I'm not sure what that was about. Yes, he killed innocents but it wasn't anything like they portrayed last night.
I'm honestly surprised more people aren't really annoyed at this. People nitpick for the smallest things but this is a pretty major plot hole in my opinion.
We don't really know all of what he did. I assume this was different because these people had souls that were being turned into demons, and Sam's soul was just...gone. The little glimpses we saw of him in moments like the season 6 finale suggested he was fine with killing innocents. I think Bobby and Samuel Campbell likely kept him under control.
She'd had that body for 50 years, so the host was likely long gone. If he'd taken time to finish the exorcism (and perhaps had to start all over) she might have overpowered him.
I paused on this too, but I guess I let it go because I never thought the soulless state was very well defined to be begin with. There were a lot of logic questions around it back in season 6 that could fill up a book.
But in this case, I'm with you with the writing on the wall (that seems demony to me), but there is a key difference in that Sam had advanced knowledge of the supernatural and had just come out of Lucifer's cage - enough knowledge to be able to deduct that there was something supernaturally wrong with him and it was tied to the cage. These people didn't know what was going on and were just reacting on instinct. Also, I don't think they were murdering people willy nilly - they were responding, without the normal filters, when provoked (justified or not).
Yep, that's right. And also, the MoC is greatly affecting Dean now, according to Jensen:
" I think Dean’s becoming less compassionate. He’s becoming a little bit more primal in his dealings with good and bad. He’s becoming a little bit more tunnel vision, and he’s getting really really amped up very quickly. You might want to say it’s almost like Dean’s putting on blinders and taking steroids. So it’s a dangerous combo."
The MoC is making Dean have tunnel vision and making him shut others out.
I agree, they really didn't put much thought in that 'soulless' condition. Basically he was just body and no soul, brain and no moral, so all bodily instincts should have remained intact, like eating and sleeping, but he had lost them too, just kept his sex engine! It was crazy, a human body will simply crash w/o food & sleep.
A soulless person should know right&wrong but depend on the situations he/she may ignore it for their impulse and benefits.
And here, you don't need conscious and moral to not write on the walls w/ blood!!
Yes, good points. Also, he said he felt no fear, but he obviously did because he had enough self preservation to try to kill Bobby to save himself from being resouled, and was screaming his lungs out when Death resouled him. But the biggest thing for me was that the show never tried to address how his consciousness could be at two places at the same time. I always thought in the SPN universe, the soul takes your memories with it when you die. But Sam came back with his memories and no soul. His body made new memories, while his soul also made new memories in Hell.
But the people were without their souls just like Sam in season 6. Sam did not run around bashing in people's heads or stabbing people's hands just for the fun of it. Those people should have been without a moral center like Soulless Sam but not mindless murderers as they were portrayed.
I have seen some people complain about it. The problem is that it doesn't matter what the show does, someone is always going to claim it violates canon. At some point fatigue over this anger likely settles in.
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That was FREAKING AWESOME. Great backstory, origin of Abaddon, her true plan and, of course, Crowley's Plan B.
ReplyDeleteAm I the only one tired of the three weeks between episodes?
I loved it! Misha's directorial debut was great, and I hope he does it again in the future (Jensen too).
ReplyDeleteWhoa at the soul stealing business. And Sam, why did you ask if Dean remembers? Of course he does. LOL.
Great episode!
It is what they have to do, to have the final episodes air during May Sweeps.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first ep in a long time that I want to watch again..Awesome job Misha. Loved the backstory, just all around excellent ep, writing, acting and directing.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, "Mother's Little Helper" is the best episode of the season, so far - and, honestly, I'll be surprised if they can top it, though I can't wait to see them try! Misha's directing was phenomenal, the music was haunting and sad and everybody turned in such great performances. Misha and Adam Glass effectively saved season nein for me.
ReplyDeleteHave to give this episode an awesome.
ReplyDeleteLoved the backstory on how Abbadon came into Josie's body from and what her real strategy is all along.
The scene where Sam released the souls to go back into the people's bodies was beautiful and the music during that scene was absolutely gorgeous. I had chills.
Misha did an excellent job directing this episode! Easily one of the best this season. A+
And hell yes to Sam finally recording an exorcism on his phone! It only took them 9 seasons but they finally did it. Bad thing is now he just has to get a new phone XD
Well, now we know how Abaddon got her meat-suit. I always like it when they acknowledge things that have happened in the past - like Sam losing his soul. It's too bad they've forgotten all about Adam.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if it's easier to direct an episode you're not in. A lot of the time when an actor on a series directs an episode they're in the episode - but since Misha wasn't in the episode he got to focus just on directing and not acting.
It looked gorgeous. I'm very happy for Misha, he did a great job. :)
ReplyDeleteIt just seems to me they get on a roll with two good episodes and now we have to wait.. I want my #SPN NOW!!!!
ReplyDeleteAt any point did you think a soul or two might make it into Sam's body?
ReplyDeleteCROWLEY......THE ULTIMATE WEASEL.
ReplyDeleteI really liked this episode! I loved the bits of flashbacks we got throughout it. Misha did an amazing job!! He should do it again sometime! :)
ReplyDeleteFreaking Awesome Episode......
ReplyDelete"I want my #SPN NOW!!!!"
ReplyDeleteYes, we all do. We are addicts to a show where we watch our characters' addictions . . . wait . . .
this was a Ep I really did like not like last weeks but this was good the backstory about Abaddon and what she is doing now and Sam getting to do stuff now a + by me and phone awesome and he freeing the soul's great. A big thank you too Misha he did a great job on this one it was good.
ReplyDeleteLoved this episode, except for the part when Sam told Dean he was right about them going after Abaddon. Like Dean knew what Abaddon was doing. Makes me wonder if Crowley wants Dean to kill Abaddon and then he'll control Abaddon's army. Crowley probably knows what Abaddon is doing.
ReplyDeleteThis was a really refreshing episode because finally Sam got to be on his own and show what a great hunter he really is. He doesn't need Dean to save him all the time.
MIsha Collins is awesome and I hope to hell he directs another episode like this one. The writer of this episode was great as well, whoever it was. LOL
I wouldn't say this is the best episode of the season, Bad Boys is hard to top, but this comes in a close second. Beautifully directed and written.
ReplyDeleteI really liked this episode.
ReplyDeleteEven though I get Dean is being affected by the Mark of Cain, the way he was lying and treating Sam ticked me off. Especially since Sam seemed worried--in a brother way--about Dean as well as asking Dean for help and Dean just blowing him off.
Although with Dean blowing Sam off, we got to see Sam rise up and show how awesome he can be, so that was cool.
I felt sorry for Sam too, but it wasn't long ago that Sam told him just business, not family. He's not going to be able to forget that.
ReplyDeleteBut asking for help to solve a case is business. The way Dean dismissed him while he was at a bar was awful.
ReplyDeleteI meant the whole thing - Sam was very concerned about Dean at the start of the episode and Dean just shut it all out. I think he can't deal with any emotion from Sam now. It's too painful.
ReplyDeleteSo if Dean is blowing Sam off when the younger is showing concern, I don't find what Jensen said about "selfish asshole" to be accurate.
ReplyDeleteI think same. Even if Dean doesn't like what Sam is saying to him, at least it's honest. He should reciprocate the act.
ReplyDeleteThere's also the possibility that since Dean's feeling off because of MoC and what happened in the last episode to begin with, he might have thought that going to a town where people are suddenly turning abnormally violent when he's already excessively irritable, not sleeping and drinking was probably not the best of ideas. Of course, he couldn't say all that but IMO that's what was going on. He also is more than understandably worried so he's wanting to get Abbadon and hopes he can get the MoC removed after. Like it would be that easy.
ReplyDeleteit's like with Sam last season when he was hiding the getting sick thing and puking blood and not telling Dean OH wait did dean get pissed off for Sam not tell him the problems he was having.
ReplyDeleteIt's kinda wonky to say 'well, I get he's being affected by the Mark' and then the very next sentence, say 'but he ticked me off with how he was treating Sam.' At this point? Dean has little to no control over what he's doing. The Mark is tainting his interactions with *everyone*, not just Sam.
ReplyDeleteGood episode. One of my favorites this season. Beautifully directed by Misha - lots of absolutely gorgeous shots here. I know visual effects are a part of that, but the lighting and the touches like the painting on the wall of the diner were Misha.
ReplyDeleteWhat a nice episode for Sam. Strong, able to be alone, confident, kick-ass, compassionate, intelligent. This has been a good run of Sam episodes lately. I feel like I know him again.
The flashbacks could have been more (and I wish Josie had just been Henry's friend, instead of loving him), but I was so happy to see Alaina Huffman back. She so clearly differentiated Josie and Abaddon. She's still chilling as Abaddon, yet she was tough and funny as Josie.
Henry was so much more like Sam and Dean here than he was in the previous episode. I finally bought him as a Winchester.
Dean absolutely broke my heart, although Jensen looked gorgeous. Crowley manipulating him was difficult to watch, but was so skillfully done. Mark and Jensen are great scene partners. I don't remember them ever having a chance for such a rich onscreen relationship together.
We have been needing a episode like this for a long time where we get to see how good of a hunter Sam really is and that shows no he really does not need Dean running in and saving the day all the time so yeah its about time we get to see a episode where we get to see that Sam really can handle and take care of his own shit!
ReplyDeleteMisha did a great job. But I have an issue with it story wise. I'm fairly positive that when Sam was souless he didn't go around murdering people willy nilly and smear creepy blood messages on walls.
ReplyDeleteReally solid episode, which hasn't been the case too often this season.
ReplyDeleteStoryline flowed well & was relevant to the story arc for the season.
The Abaddon back story was good.
Acting was solid.
Gave it a Great rating.
The mark is not taking Dean's choices away from him. He was pretty much in control when he convinced the "hunter" to give up hunting Crowley. So yeah telling lies to Sam is all on him, especially when his partner needs help on a case and you prefer stay drinking beer.
ReplyDeleteI think Dean is worried about what he might do to Sam with the MoC, after all Cain DID kill his brother.
ReplyDeleteHow could anyone not say this episode was anything other than AWESOME!! Loved it... great job Misha (loved the close ups). Jensen gave us his usual Emmy-worthy performance - just wish we knew a bit more about Sam's POV. Dark moody Dean is pure sex. Bravo!! Season 9 is ramping up for a blockbuster finale. Don't let us down, writers....
ReplyDeleteI know fans have been complaining about this for a while now but I was completely taken aback by the fact that Sam couldn't be bothered to finish the exorcism and just killed the nun instead.
ReplyDeleteI AWESOME like the show Supernatural. No day is spent without watching at least three or four episodes online. Similarly show and on TV.
ReplyDeleteI also think that it's too bad they've forgotten all about Adam! :-(
ReplyDeleteNo, I hate waiting! :-( I can't even spell paytchens or however you spell the word that means that you can wait.
ReplyDeleteI know, right? Soulless Sam didn't intentionally murder people so I'm not sure what that was about. Yes, he killed innocents but it wasn't anything like they portrayed last night.
ReplyDeleteI'm honestly surprised more people aren't really annoyed at this. People nitpick for the smallest things but this is a pretty major plot hole in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteWe don't really know all of what he did. I assume this was different because these people had souls that were being turned into demons, and Sam's soul was just...gone. The little glimpses we saw of him in moments like the season 6 finale suggested he was fine with killing innocents. I think Bobby and Samuel Campbell likely kept him under control.
ReplyDeleteShe'd had that body for 50 years, so the host was likely long gone. If he'd taken time to finish the exorcism (and perhaps had to start all over) she might have overpowered him.
ReplyDeleteI paused on this too, but I guess I let it go because I never thought the soulless state was very well defined to be begin with. There were a lot of logic questions around it back in season 6 that could fill up a book.
ReplyDeleteBut in this case, I'm with you with the writing on the wall (that seems demony to me), but there is a key difference in that Sam had advanced knowledge of the supernatural and had just come out of Lucifer's cage - enough knowledge to be able to deduct that there was something supernaturally wrong with him and it was tied to the cage. These people didn't know what was going on and were just reacting on instinct. Also, I don't think they were murdering people willy nilly - they were responding, without the normal filters, when provoked (justified or not).
Yep, that's right. And also, the MoC is greatly affecting Dean now, according to Jensen:
ReplyDelete" I think Dean’s becoming less compassionate. He’s becoming a little bit
more primal in his dealings with good and bad. He’s becoming a little
bit more tunnel vision, and he’s getting really really amped up very
quickly. You might want to say it’s almost like Dean’s putting on
blinders and taking steroids. So it’s a dangerous combo."
The MoC is making Dean have tunnel vision and making him shut others out.
I agree, they really didn't put much thought in that 'soulless' condition. Basically he was just body and no soul, brain and no moral, so all bodily instincts should have remained intact, like eating and sleeping, but he had lost them too, just kept his sex engine! It was crazy, a human body will simply crash w/o food & sleep.
ReplyDeleteA soulless person should know right&wrong but depend on the situations he/she may ignore it for their impulse and benefits.
And here, you don't need conscious and moral to not write on the walls w/ blood!!
Yes, good points. Also, he said he felt no fear, but he obviously did because he had enough self preservation to try to kill Bobby to save himself from being resouled, and was screaming his lungs out when Death resouled him. But the biggest thing for me was that the show never tried to address how his consciousness could be at two places at the same time. I always thought in the SPN universe, the soul takes your memories with it when you die. But Sam came back with his memories and no soul. His body made new memories, while his soul also made new memories in Hell.
ReplyDeleteI hear ya. I thought this episode was just okay but others seem to have really loved it.
ReplyDeleteBut the people were without their souls just like Sam in season 6. Sam did not run around bashing in people's heads or stabbing people's hands just for the fun of it. Those people should have been without a moral center like Soulless Sam but not mindless murderers as they were portrayed.
ReplyDeleteJMO of course.
That woman was probably dead long ago... Plus, if she is exorcized, she can come back.
ReplyDeleteWe just saw glimpses of what he did. In that time we saw him beat a cop black and blue, and kill a woman because she was a hostage.
ReplyDeleteI do see what you are saying. I just think that this was a little different because the souls were being corrupted into demons.
I have seen some people complain about it. The problem is that it doesn't matter what the show does, someone is always going to claim it violates canon. At some point fatigue over this anger likely settles in.
ReplyDeleteThey did say that maybe it affects different people differently.
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