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31 Mar 2014

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124 comments:

  1. Ani31 March 2014 at 02:01

    No. No. No. No!!! You can't be serious..

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  2. Justin Valdes31 March 2014 at 02:01

    I knew Neal was going to die but damn did his death scene hurt. That was powerful. Amazing acting by Robert, Jennifer, and Michael.

    I'm surprised they found out that Zelena is the Wicked Witch! That was quick.

    Awesome episode. Still wiping off the tears...

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  3. Andy10831 March 2014 at 02:01

    I was pretty disappointed in the episode, but I am excited that everyone knows who Zelina is now and the 2nd third of the season looks promising.

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  4. Kissan Capers31 March 2014 at 02:01

    Pretty good episode. Next week looks even better!!

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  5. Ani31 March 2014 at 02:01

    So he is really dead?

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  6. klutzy_girl31 March 2014 at 02:02

    Now I'm sad. Figured the death was Neal, but ow. And I know they needed to make sure Snow was safe, but who the hell thought leaving Rumple and the body there alone was a good idea?


    So glad they know who Zelena is now. That end scene was great, as was the scene with Emma and Henry.

    Great episode! Regina/Robin are adorable, too.

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  7. oddball8731 March 2014 at 02:02

    Poor Bae. Poor Rumples. Forever bitter.

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  8. Kami31 March 2014 at 02:03

    I didn't even like Neal but that was so sad... and so pointless... I get that they'd managed not to break the rule about the death but still... the OQ was very good, but now I can't be happy aboyt that:(

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  9. Justin Valdes31 March 2014 at 02:03

    Yep, he was the major death they announced a few months back.

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  10. Midnight31 March 2014 at 02:04

    I'm so glad this half of the season is moving so quickly. After four episodes, we already know that Zelena is Regina's sister AND she's been exposed as the Wicked Witch. I can't imagine what the remaining seven episodes have in store for us.

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  11. Ani31 March 2014 at 02:04

    I hoped it was Rumpel and with the twist that he wasn't dead.. but that's sad.. so Hook will be Emmas love interest?!

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  12. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 02:05

    but what's dead doesn't stay dead, does it?

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  13. Tyler_James2931 March 2014 at 02:07

    I'm not upset about the death. I'm upset about the writing. God that was horrible. The past two weeks I'm feeling as though the writing is slipping back down into Season 2 standards.

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  14. Sara31 March 2014 at 02:08

    That was TERRIBLE. I know they wanted a Belle/Neal episode but damn, that was horrible. Everything with Lumiere was the worst. That CGI and Jerry Orbach impression. :(

    I did like Zelena throwing shade at them for being dumb though. Rebecca Mader is delightful in this role.

    The Outlaw Queen scenes were lovely. They're both really selling me on mutual attraction, which is a lot more than I can say for Captain Swan.

    The Neal/Hook scene was touching but Neal's death scene about being a good father was terrible. He wasn't a good father by any stretch of the word. He wasn't a father at all except in the way that he ejaculated in an underage teenage girl before abandoning her. I was well-acted, I'll give the scene that.

    The irony of Rumple losing his son after all the horrible, terrible things he did to get him back is strong but I doubt much will come of it.

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  15. Sara31 March 2014 at 02:08

    Yep. The creators have already said that this will stick

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  16. CP31 March 2014 at 02:09

    Dang it OUAT, why do you insist in making me cry? I wasn't really surprised by Neal's death, but that scene was so sad.


    Poor Neal, Emma, and Rumple. :( And I'm sure Hook's going to be upset a lot too. I loved him hugging Neal.


    Emma has had a super rough love history. It's getting ridiculous.

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  17. Aleana Harris31 March 2014 at 02:11

    Love it love the hug between Hook and Neilfire can't believe Neilfire is dead happy everyone found out about Zelena Regina saw Robin Hood tattoo! amazing acting between Emma Neilfire and Rumple I wonder who Regina going to talk to about Robin Hood can't wait for next week episode

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  18. magnutude31 March 2014 at 02:11

    Loved it... I figured that Neal was to be the death that was hinted at for a while now, but the circumstances of it and then the death scene... wow , that was a moving scene... well done by all. I"m glad that they didn't waste time in finding out who Zelena was and now they can focus in on the action to battle her. nice call back and realization for Regina that Robin is her happy ending as directed by Tinkerbelle.... I can't wait to see how the rest of the season will go

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  19. CP31 March 2014 at 02:12

    Yeah I really liked Regina's and Robin Hood's scenes. The end with her watching him with his son was sad though.


    Too much sadness in this episode.


    The only thing I was glad about was they found out who the Wicked Witch was.

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  20. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 02:14

    oh no, sticky death is even worse.

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  21. CP31 March 2014 at 02:15

    I'm guessing they're heading in that direction.


    I like Hook but I'm not sold on him and Emma being together. I liked him and Tink for whatever reason.

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  22. Luna7631 March 2014 at 02:16

    Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch and the Robin Hood and Regina scenes were great. Neal's final scene was very well acted, great work by all involved. Overall my impression is that Neal's death was completely and utterly unnecessary though. And it enjoys me that they tried to tie up every single one of his stories in one episode. On other shows characters that are about to be killed off at least get some decent screentime prior to that. I wasn't a fan of the character at all, but he deserved better than that. And the writing for Hook is just terrible. Never have I seen a more unconvincing "redemption" arc. Show, don't tell isn't something these writers do well.

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  23. Ghani31 March 2014 at 02:22

    I hate the show for killing Neal so much. First Graham and now Neal ... Way to go to kill Henry's loving father ... And just to make the way clear for Hook of all people as Emma's love interest. Plus it was so stupid. Like Rumple would let his son die like that. FU, show! You suck!

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  24. Ghani31 March 2014 at 02:25

    Exactly, Neal's death was completely and utterly unnecessary. Very well said.

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  25. Anna31 March 2014 at 02:25

    I still cling to the hope that Graham will come back... :(

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  26. Anna31 March 2014 at 02:26

    Agreed. I personally don't like Neal much, but he is an important character and I think they should have written a better goodbye.

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  27. Steph31 March 2014 at 02:26

    I can't believe they killed Neal. What bullshit.

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  28. Ghani31 March 2014 at 02:27

    That is exactly why they did it, IMO. Because there was no other reason to do it at all. So yeah, I am pissed off so frakking much.

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  29. MLM31 March 2014 at 03:00

    1. The Regina writing with Robin is just so out of character for her. Irregardless of shipping, not buying what the writers are trying to sell.
    2. First episode I've really liked Neal. First episode Emma and Neal really had a decent conversation. So, so long Neal, you went out on a high note for me.
    3. Zelena. Witch ROCKS!
    4. Snow, you are sooo slow! Even David had his doubts about Zelena the last episode!
    5. Didn't realize I missed Belle so much. Glad she is back.
    6. It's a tragedy they let Neal die while Henry still had no memories. That was terrible.


    I could continue, but that's enough. Overall, I rated it GOOD! Can't wait for next week.

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  30. Ani31 March 2014 at 03:02

    I don"t know.. I kinda like the idea of Hook and Emma because he changed for her. Though I'd be pissed too if they killed Neal just because of that. I think they could have explored him as a father more and helping with bringing back Henrys memories.

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  31. Sara31 March 2014 at 03:09

    Why is Regina out of character?

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  32. D Fink31 March 2014 at 03:09

    Awesome episode. I loved every minute of it, especially when Neal died. I hope Emma and Hook get together now, but who knows what could happen next. That's what I love most about this show. It's full of surprises and I can't wait for more.

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  33. Ghani31 March 2014 at 03:15

    I disliked the idea of Hook and Emma until this episode. Now (because TPTB killed Neal just to clear the path for them) I hate it with a passion! Now I want them to kill Hook too ... That might make me a little bit less angry ...

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  34. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:24

    Wow! Really great performances from all the cast tonight. I am sad to see Neal go, assuming there's no catches and this is THEE death, but I have to say that they let him go in a good way, where at least they established that he really was Emma's true love, despite that Hook may now become her next true love. (The only downside is that I still feel bad for Henry and feel that it's not quite fair to his story, however I do like the current Henry incarnation, which makes up for this a little bit). I will miss Neal, but I think I can live with this...(I only wish that Henry could see him on "the other side" with some magical object sometime)


    Fun to see another Felicity alumni Henri Lubatti (he was just on POI too!)


    Thinking Fringe here again with Zelena in regards to Snow's baby....I think we will see some kind of birth acceleration...

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  35. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:31

    Actually Henri Lubatti (Lumiere) sported himself...He's first role was in Felicity (H and K worked on this with J.J. Abrams and Matt Reeves) and he played Felicity and Noel's art teacher's son that she pushes Felicity to date. He spent some time in France and was really rude her on their first date in a French restaurant, where he didn't realize that Felicity knows French!


    The actor sports a lot of accents in his work and seems to be a running gag.

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  36. Sara31 March 2014 at 03:33

    Huh? So this actor did some other stuff and that makes his Jerry Orbach impression less bad?

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  37. Ani31 March 2014 at 03:34

    For me it's not really about the guy.. I just think Hook is hot. For me it's more about Emma. She wasn't really lucky when it came to love until now. I just want her to be happy for once. And I don't mean happy because she found her parents or because she has Henry. I want her to be in love and stay that way for a couple episodes at least..

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  38. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:35

    I am sad about it, but I think one reason they have to do it is to make way for more new characters depending on where they are going next season. I agree it's a bit contrived, but it's the Henry aspect of it that irritates me most. I would have liked to see that relationship mended a little bit more before taking this plunge...

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  39. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 03:37

    well, Belle said Emma was Neal's "true love" not that Neal was Emma's, it can be one way.

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  40. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:37

    I think you're right about #1, but that is the point. Regina is no longer the same person she was before and between feeling something fro Robin Hood and Zelena coming off worse, puts Regina in a new light and changes the perspective from villain to anti-hero (much like where Hook dwells)...

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  41. MLM31 March 2014 at 03:38

    Can you think of any adult, upon first meeting (or any meeting after that actually) that she would allow to impede upon her personal space like that? Just using ep 3x15, he had just tried to shoot her in the head!

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  42. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:39

    No. she said the reason the necklace survived is because it was born out of true love (so it wasn't just her word, but physical evidence as well)

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  43. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 03:42

    ah, shit, heard that completely wrong. :) yeah, many people seem to hate on the idea of Emma/Hook and see Neal's death as a slight and conceit to make those ends happen. hope this doesn't windup submarining things.

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  44. Sara31 March 2014 at 03:42

    Rumple, David, Jefferson and Emma spring to mind immediately. But when you're attracted to someone, that's kind of how you initiate a kiss, by leaning in.

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  45. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 03:43

    after watching it, finally, i will have to say that while i can buy the premise behind the death of Neal i hated how absolutely rushed it felt. could they seriously not let Neal have an arc for 2-3 episodes to concluded his line? also, some weird and clunky acting in spots.

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  46. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 03:47

    Yes, because it makes it a comical trade mark

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  47. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 03:47

    good point, most people seem to fixate on those like Hook and Regine flip flopping between bad/good but those characters were never meant to tow that straight black and white line. they are meant to cross it and were at times "the ends justify the means" type of characters. they are gray and those make for interesting characters to watch. unlike, for example, flaccid Charming.

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  48. Totallyaddicted00531 March 2014 at 03:49

    Sadly they said there too that b/c the actor is doing the grey movies as much as they wanted him to come back they weren't getting him so...bummer. Poor emma first graham now Neal the father of her child. And they had such a sweet scene there in the woods talking about there failed engagements.

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  49. MLM31 March 2014 at 03:50

    Those were all initiated either by her for intimidation or someone else threatening her. None that I can think of in a flirty way. This is just my opinion, by the way. My takeaway is that it is out of character for her to have allowed that. You may disagree, however.

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  50. Sara31 March 2014 at 03:51

    But nobody remembers some random guy that was in an episode of Felicity ten years ago. EVERYONE knows Lumiere from one of the most popular movies of all time so trying to copy Jerry Orbach's speech is not an inside joke to obscure television because I doubt the director cared about an extra's 'trademark' when they're trying to evoke a Disney classic.

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  51. Ghani31 March 2014 at 03:53

    I have nothing against Emma being happy ... with someone other than Hook. If TPTB put Emma and Hook together I will be forever bitter because I will know they killed Neal to make it happen. So kill Hook and bring someone new for Emma. Someone who isn't tainted by that stupid "love triangle".

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  52. juni valentine31 March 2014 at 03:53

    Forever bitter because I won't have my happy ending of Rumple-Belle-Bae becoming a family ughhhhhhh show!!!!! whyyy???!!! Just cheering on Regina-Robin-Roland to becoming a family now. *sniffs*

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  53. Sara31 March 2014 at 03:55

    Rumple and Jefferson for sure weren't. But the scene was very similar to Regina's scene with Jefferson in the cottage.

    I think it's incredibly disingenuous to say that a woman like Regina, one who is shown to have a strong sexual appetite might be sexually attracted to someone is somehow 'out of character'.

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  54. elle j.31 March 2014 at 03:55

    Is Neal really Emma's true love? The only way to try and establish that fact was for Emma to kiss Neal as he lay dying. If she couldn't save him through true love's kiss, at least Emma kissing Neal would've been a meaningful, loving way to say goodbye? That one act would've given the audience a more adequate form of closure in the story of Neal and Emma rather than the way Neal's death was presented on screen.

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  55. Pérola Cardozo Alves31 March 2014 at 03:57

    So... How much of a bad person makes me if I am happy he's dead?
    I don't like Neal, never liked. And the show finally killing him, no matter how bad and little sense it made, can't make me like him.
    And it's not about shippers. Is the character. It was so bad constructed, and so silly... The only thing Neal ever made right was impregnate Emma. From there it was all downhill. The Tamara storyline, him declaring to love this woman, and planning marriage with her, and just as she turns on him suddenly he claims she always loved Emma? Come'on, cant get past there. Nor can I get past his suddenly forgiveness and love for rumple, that came pretty much from nowhere last season. Every single story, line action on Neverland made no sense at all. The character just was poor conceived and didn't grow, or evolve, or nothing. And he was such a bad choice to be Emma's true love, and it felt very forced the way they were shoving it on us.
    Neal was bad conceived and, although I love the actor in other roles, it was really miscast. The writers needed to give him a farewell. It was too late already. I can bet, next season, no one remembers him already. For me, was good riddance.

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  56. Emily31 March 2014 at 03:59

    This is the episode that has me finally saying goodbye to this show. I used to love it, but ever since they screwed up Neverland, the quality of the writing has been degrading and now it just makes me cringe to watch. So many wasted opportunities after another.



    Killing off Neal was so unnecessary and felt like more fanservice to try and push Captain Swan further down our throats. Not buying. The show is becoming wrapped around shipping this and that rather than the individual characters that I first loved.



    Goodbye, Once Upon A Time. I'll think of S1 fondly.

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  57. Ghani31 March 2014 at 04:01

    I will definitely remember him so you [i]can[/i] bet, but you will lose.

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  58. Shay31 March 2014 at 04:08

    Well. I'm wrecked. I foolishly decided to watch this before Good Wife and Walking Dead because I thought it would take less of an emotional toll... Hate that Neal didn't get to reunite with Henry, but oh that death scene... I might need to lick my wounds with some fan fiction to distract myself from the walking tragedy that is Rumple's family when it comes to father/son relationships. I wish this wasn't going to be the death that sticks, but I don't see how they can get around the price of a life for a life.


    On another note...really glad they aren't dragging the Zelena mystery out too long. I wish Rumple would have revealed more...like what it was exactly Zelena was after, but I can understand him and Emma not thinking quite logically at the time. Or did he tell Emma and they just didn't show/mention it? I was kind of scratching my head, lol.

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  59. Ani31 March 2014 at 04:08

    Maybe an actual prince this time? So we can see Emma in that adorable dress again? :D

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  60. Ani31 March 2014 at 04:09

    Nope he just said she wants something she can't have.. though why can't she have it? She can't get pregnant?

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  61. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 04:10

    Except that there are rather unique circumstances here such as reviving his father and being absorbed into him pre-curse. This might go above Emma's own abilities (plus fate is fate in these universes)

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  62. Ghani31 March 2014 at 04:11

    I am all for it. Anyone other than Hook!;-)

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  63. MLM31 March 2014 at 04:12

    Like I said, it's just my opinion. As the EQ, she surely used her sexuality, not so much as Regina. I'm lumping Storybrooke Graham in with her EQ days.

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  64. Ani31 March 2014 at 04:13

    hahahaha :D

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  65. Hi31 March 2014 at 04:18

    I'm really upset as well but I don't give up that easy! Hey Oncer, give the next episode a chance!

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  66. Sara31 March 2014 at 04:30

    What does using her sexuality as a weapon have to do with being attracted to someone? The idea that Regina is actually being okay with herself and able to be a woman with feelings is something that has been several seasons coming so it doesn't feel out of character for me at all.

    Inviting someone into her personal space via flirting isn't exactly threatening either.

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  67. Krystal31 March 2014 at 04:31

    That's why I'm so pissed!! They didn't kill him for plot or substance they killed him for those crazy EmmaxHook shippers! Their trying to justify pairing those two off when they finally do put them together. Neal was supposed to be a main character yet Hook got more screen time then him. If they weren't gonna put them together then that's fine whatever but at least let him explore a relationship with his son or father. Nope just killed the guy off.

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  68. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 04:34

    I respectively disagree.

    Firstly the source material isn't Disney's alone as Disney owes much to Hans Christianson, Grimm Bros, ect and in any case they spin their own version onto these events so they never exactly reflect anything that came before. In this case they used Lumiere to draw links between things like Cora's death and candle, the sleeping curse candles, and someone like Sydney Glass when he was the mirror and the genie with the idea that people can get trapped into inanimate objects

    Secondly Lumbatti is second Felicity actor to appear in here since we have returned from Winter hiatus, as Christopher Gorham also appeared. (Note: They had the idea for OUAT during Felicity. Felicity has magical time travel spell = science and magic together and season 4 there's a line about Rumpelstiltskin)

    Thridly there are SO many Bad Robot alumni and allusions to Bad Robot works including Rebecca Mader's Fringe role, as there is a riff between giving good characters altering substances in mugs and William Bell's shapeshifters in season 4 were alluded to as "flying monkeys" Our producers do care and their casting directors are giving a lot of roles for fun,



    Here's a list of Bad Robot Alumni

    Lana Parrilla (Lost)
    Jennifer Morrison (Star Trek)
    Emilie de Raven (Lost)
    Alan Dale (Lost, Person of Interest, Undercovers)
    Jorge Garcia (Lost, Fringe, Alcatraz)
    Greyston Holt (Alcatraz)
    Gabrielle Rose (Fringe)
    Nicolas Zimmer (Fringe)
    Ava Zimmer (Fringe)
    Rebecca Mader (Lost, Fringe)
    David Anders (Alias, Undercovers)
    Eric Lang - Upcomming (Lost, Fringe)


    OUATiWu

    Naveen Andrews (Lost)
    Zuleikha Robinson (lost)

    Anthony Keyvan (Lost)
    Johnny Coyne (Alcatraz)

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  69. Ghani31 March 2014 at 04:38

    I completely agree with you. TPTB suck so much! I haven't forgiven them for killing Graham yet (and I likely never will) and they just keep piling the insults on and on ...:-(

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  70. EuphemiaWonderland31 March 2014 at 04:41

    I quit during the first episodes of S3 and after this I'm not coming back. I hate the idea of Captain Swan and it seems they are taking over the show so no thanks.

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  71. Sara31 March 2014 at 04:41

    I don't even know what you're trying to say other than Vancouver has a acting pool of local actors to draw from and that the writers are derivative. But the chance that they're making a reference to something that 99% of the audience understands versus an obscure reference to a show an actor guested on 15 years ago that was watched by probably 3% of the audience is negligible at best. I'd actually say laughable.

    If we go look at the next fifteen reviews of the show tomorrow, guaranteed people will be referencing the Disney character and the accent done by Jerry Orbach and NOT that the guy played a snooty guy on Felicity

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  72. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 04:42

    I actually liked Charming a lot more in the previous episode. It was nice to see he was the one burdened with the fear of not protecting his second child via an image of Emma in a dreamscape.
    I also loved the irony that Charming had to confront himslef, when he also happens to have an evil twin brother...I would like to take that as a sign there is still something unresolved with that that they have plans to address at some point....

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  73. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 04:48

    I'm trying to tell you that they go out of their way to get certian people and then on top of it right them roles that intentionally reference and contrast their former roles.


    But you're right in that there is some percentage of in-jokes that an Audience gets verses what they miss. I'm looking for an article on this I came across not too long ago about this. -But it's not their fault the audience isn't paying attention.

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  74. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 04:52

    interesting comment reading, think many people seem to have preconceived expectations and when they are not met they are disappointed and cry foul/rage quit. maybe its times to let go a bit and realize its just a buttered popcorn TV show and not Breaking Bad.

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  75. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 04:55

    yes, he is a bit more angsty, the dreamscape sequence was weird/awkward, and the forest battle reminded me of star wars.

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  76. CP31 March 2014 at 05:05

    I haven't forgiven them for Graham and for turning August into a boy again. It bugged me.

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  77. CP31 March 2014 at 05:07

    Same, Emma needs someone that doesn't come to some tragic end or gets separated from her in some way.

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  78. CP31 March 2014 at 05:08

    I may not like that Neal's dead, but I wouldn't want Hook to die. I'd like him to be with Tink if she could come back!

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  79. Ghani31 March 2014 at 05:08

    And how about letting people went about a frakking TV show the way they see fit in a place that has been created exactly for that reason without comments sugesting that they are doing it wrong. How about that.

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  80. CP31 March 2014 at 05:09

    I wanted Henry to at least remember Neal first.

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  81. Rjupiter31 March 2014 at 05:12

    yes, that is fine and i am not saying otherwise. guess i am more saying its fun to enjoy the cheesy ride of the show without having monument expectations for something the show never was to begin with.

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  82. CP31 March 2014 at 05:17

    I never forget good guys. He wasn't perfect, the writing wasn't perfect, but I liked him.

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  83. Ron31 March 2014 at 05:19

    It was sadder to see all their reactions at the end that the actual dead i dont know but it didnt get me as much as i would like maybe cause i never like Neal very much.. It was a great episode It was stupid how Belle couldnt remember that magic comes with a prize and they had to find it out the hard way.
    Regina and Hood was a little heartbreaking at the end, it was liek she was seeing something she can have but is too afraid to go for it. I liked that.

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  84. Ghani31 March 2014 at 05:21

    I wouldn't mind Hook with Tink, but that would mean that they still could pair him with Emma down the road if they so chose (you know, kill Tink and all as that seems to be their modus operandi) ... If they would keep him with Tink and would bring someone new for Emma I could deal with that. I just really resent that they killed Neal off to put Emma and Hook together and so far I think it's clear that that's what happened.

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  85. CP31 March 2014 at 05:21

    I've always liked Charming.


    It is ironic indeed.

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  86. Ghani31 March 2014 at 05:25

    I doubt that the people who are pissed off about Neal's death have any "monumental expectations" about the show. I definitely don't.

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  87. Storybrook Mirror31 March 2014 at 05:50

    Definitely an emotional episode. While watching, I wasn't sure if I was fond of it or not. It took me about an half hour afterwards to decide that I really did quite like it. I did, however, feel the death scene was rushed a bit. I know it's something that's hard to do with a show that only has 45 minutes to pack everything in, though.

    I'm trying to decide if I felt Neal's death was necessary or not. I'm more of a Captain Swan shipper than a Swan Thief shipper lately, but I do appreciate the friendship that Emma and Neal could have had. I liked how they touched a bit on it this episode before he died. They gave him a proper ending with giving him the opportunity to make peace with everyone. I thank the writers for that.

    But I don't think it was bad writing. The stakes have to be high on a show like this. They've already been set high from the start -- after only 7 episodes they killed Graham, a fan favorite. I think that should go to show not everyone is safe. Sad to say, but deaths give the surrounding characters room to grow. It shows differing sides of characters. As sad as they are to watch and read, deaths are quite necessary sometimes.

    Neal's death showed consequences to actions as well as the reality of life. This show is about hope -- that's what fairytales encompass. But this show is also about taking fairytale characters and putting them in a real world setting -- a real world where bright and happy endings aren't always there 24/7. Our characters are 3 dimensional now, they're not just Disney characters who sing at the drop of a hat, they've been given real world persona's as well. While Neal's death was a tragic ending and certainly heartbreaking, it shows the crushing reality of consequences in both the fairytale world and this world. It doesn't equal bad writing because they killed off a favored character -- it shows the ability to convey a message and push characters into developing.

    I've always been taught in writing that if you're story is becoming boring or the stakes aren't high enough, kill someone off. No matter how much it hurts. But encompass it and give the death meaning. I felt like Adam and Eddy did that -- and even though Neal's death will resonate deeply and sadly, he will be remembered as the hero Emma so wanted him to always be.

    RIP Neal.

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  88. Gabriela31 March 2014 at 06:13

    I am just hoping that maybe Neal is not dead and they will find a way to bring him back.

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  89. Casey Young31 March 2014 at 06:14

    I sobbed when Neal died. God, that was sooooo sad! D':

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  90. Claire McCrorie31 March 2014 at 06:17

    first thing i did after watching this episode was find out if this death was going to stick and it has been confirmed that Neal's death is permanent - sob

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  91. Tega Jessa31 March 2014 at 06:25

    I will never sign on to captain swan its creepy the guy who knew her ex as a kid is trying to get with her. Too weird even for Storybrooke. Also we all know in the OUAT universe true love has power and death is not always final. If the showrunners have sense they will make it so this season or next concerning Neil. Otherwise I would rather have Emma single than this.

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  92. Danielle Thomas31 March 2014 at 06:27

    It was a good episode. I'm so glad that rumplestilskin is back. I wish Henry would get his memories back already cause to me it just seems like he would have the answer on how to stop Zelena for some reason. Neal dying, I really don't feel a certain way about it. Not sure why they made snow seem so naive in trusting Zelena. Over all it was a good episode. Next week looks like the episode I have been waiting for. The Evil Queen vs The Wicked Witch!!!

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  93. Nirat Anop31 March 2014 at 06:37

    As a long time fan of Neal, I'm sad to see him go, and sadder to see that he didn't get to say goodbye to his son or even have his son know who he was, the score playing during that emotional montage was so powerful but so sad, especially seeing Belle and how sad she was. I feel so bad for Emma and I'm happy Neal went out a hero.

    Major props to Mark Isham and his incredible musical score throughout this series, it's my favorite show and the music makes it so magical. Especially in tonight's episdoe, really got at my heart.

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  94. NiceGuyVan31 March 2014 at 07:53

    That's not the only reason. If they wanted go in the Hook and Emma route that was fine, and no they would not think that just because of that we need to get rid of him, because if they wanted to they could have also gone with Neal and Tinker route, or just a father figure route. There was a bigger reason. And that is bring back the Dark One. One think fans of this show would hate more then a love triangle is no more Rumpelstiltskin. And for them to bring him back they would need a good way. As always within this show its not easy bring back the dead, and it should never be easy. And it was always a life for a life. The question would of arose who could be that life that brings back the Dark One. Belle? no then whats the point of bring him back. It needed a "desperate soul" as mentioned again this episode as it was when Rumpelstiltskin first became the Dark One. And as fate would have it within the show, right now the only desperate soul was Neal, which the Wicked Witch used to her advantage.

    Again it was not just because of love triangle issue.

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  95. Lord Nikon31 March 2014 at 08:25

    I just can't really vote easy on this one. It was interesting episode with a lot of twists and turns, but the bad part is Neal, how can he died. I guess i was wrong on the major character death guess.

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  96. Katerina2231 March 2014 at 09:52

    Man,I knew it was coming and I'd said before,Neal was the character that I'd be less sad about losing.But I definitely teared up.So kudos to the writers and actors.

    I don't think the episode was perfect,but we saw some things that I was really looking for,so personally I'm good.The "problem" with Neal is that the writers decided that he wasn't going to be one of the characters they focused on,despite him being vital to other character's storylines.Which means that they now had to rush to tie up all loose ends.They chose to wrap up his relationships without having an actual exploration of their issues.For example,his most developed relationship was with his father,by far.And yet he never brought up that his mother was actually killed by Rumple.It's things like that,that made me think of Neal as a kind of secondary character.
    But we got two things I was really hoping we'd get.One was his scene with Hook,which I loved.It was the first time that it was acknowledged that these two have a long history and actually do care a lot about each other.
    The other was that Neal's final words were to his father and that was the best choice.They both have relationship and bonds with others but this one was the most important,for both of them.So having that final interaction was great.
    I really liked his scenes with Emma as well.Let me say,for the record,that I in no way believe that had Neal lived their would have rekindled their relationship.They had the chance,they didn't go there,it was a done deal.Which also means,that no,Neal's death had nothing to do with him being in the way of Hook and Emma.Mainly because he wasn't in the way so far.All the progress we got was with Neal very much alive.But anyway,back to his scenes with Emma.For me they were bittersweet because they finally acknowledged that they had something good,mistakes were made and they realized that they can co exist and have a good relationship without being together as a couple.Which is pretty much everything I wanted from them,so it's kinda sad that we won't get to see it now.

    They were other great moments as well.Regina and Robin had great scenes together.Belle with Hook was really cool and fun as well,Emma and David breaking into the apartment was badass.
    I'm really happy that they they know who the Witch is now and I loved Rumple's belief that the others will defeat her.We've come a long way.

    All in all,probably one of the most emotional episodes of the show so far(if not the most emotional).

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  97. calamitydjane31 March 2014 at 11:02

    Well I think maybe another reason Neal have to go is because MRJ has a lot of plans in acting and playing music...Some of the tweets he sent through last fall made me guessing about him leaving. Besides Neal and Hook weren't planned for staying on the show too long when they were first written if I remember correctly. The writers simply changed their minds because they liked the chemistry and the characters the 2 actors built.

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  98. calamitydjane31 March 2014 at 11:07

    Totally agree with you on every point! :D

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  99. Judy Smith31 March 2014 at 11:43

    While I am sad about Neal and wasn't aware that they were going to kill someone again, especially so soon after Rumple died, I don't believe they did it for the whole Emma/Hook being together. I think they had planned to kill Neal because that is where the story took them. Emma/Hook is just there and I like them together actually. They make me smile and I enjoy the chemistry. I liked that Hook and Neal sort of mended fences before Neal died and that Rumple and Neal also told each other that they loved each other. It was a great episode. I think Neal would have been a good father if he had been given more of a chance. However just and he and Henry were coming together as father and son, it was all taken away from of them due to a bad fiancé, magic and people just plain interfering with their lives.

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  100. phnxgrl31 March 2014 at 14:22

    I knew Neal was going to die but twice was very emotional both times once in the FTL and once in Storybrook.

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  101. JessH31 March 2014 at 14:51

    my first thought was that it was too quick that they found out who the wicked witch is but then I remembered that this is the second half of the season not the beginning. they're running out of episodes and the last thing I would want is for them to drag this out to the last episode (lilke Emma finally believing) or possibly next season.

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  102. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:09

    Ah, nice catch with the Star Wars reference. I think you're right, it does seem like an allusion to some Star Wars scenes...

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  103. Ghani31 March 2014 at 15:12

    I obviously completely disagree. I am not less a fan of this show than you are just because I don't want Rumple back if the cost is Neal. (Rumple would agree with me on that.) They could have thought of something or someone else. As I said it's clear they chose Neal to make way for Emma/Hook which I hate.

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  104. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:16

    If I'm honest I wasn't found of the Emma/Killian relationship to begin with and felt that they just didn't write MRJ really good material and felt that Henry deserved to have his parents work things out....


    But, despite my own chip on my shoulder with Henry, I think they did a decant job of killing him off by both acknowledging the true love they had, giving him good material (ties into a dark one origin story and Rumple revival), and I think they have developed Hook nicely (and Hook and Emma make a kind of interesting dynamic with Regina and Robin Hood since Hook and Regina are so much alike in terms of their appearance, vanity, and dramatic overtures)

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  105. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:27

    The Once Universes are fate orientated universe, so we have to go with the flow in that all of these things happen because they are predetermined to happen.


    This episode gave clarity that Emma accepts, understands, and forgives Neal for his choice, which is not all Neal's fault alone when you consider August and that Neal's experiences with magic with his own father and grandfather have been less than happy or good. All of the characters are flawed, have made mistakes, and the point of this journey is too see who makes it and who can change over the course of the series, as there is a moral/spiritual undertone of trying to get to a better 'happier' place...


    I agree that they didn't write MRJ a lot of good material until this season, but given we have a missing year still to cover, I suspect we will see Bae/Neal in flashbacks making his death more memorable and heartbreaking as presumably Killian and Emma get closer, which also will drive Rumple's plot, which could be really tricky if Zelena turns out to be his daughter...


    I can bet there are a lot of people that will remember him, not just because he was once Emma's True Love, Henry's father, but also because he was Rumple's son.

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  106. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:34

    I warming to the idea of Hook and Emma, because I think that she changed him and that changes her...

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  107. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:35

    I still really miss August.

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  108. CP31 March 2014 at 15:37

    I miss both characters. I miss a lot of characters that have died and/or "disappeared" due to the large cast and actors schedules.

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  109. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:47

    To some degree I totally understand where you're coming from, but I do think Once fans get more out of control and make demands on the writers, actors, ect, more than a lot of other shows, so I think there is more of a reason for people to get upset when they end up being in the minority of something that definitely seems contrived and curtailed to the majority of a pushy audience.


    Mulan I thin is another good example. It's like they decided to make her bisexual just for the sake of making those that demand their be a not straight character exist, because those fans who believe that won't stop harassing the showrunners...


    Plus knowing the themes of Felicity and this is a fantastical representation of a major family saga, I think "Great Expectations" is a huge theme and I think before the Captain Swan Fans took to road rage, there was a 50/50 chance that Neal could be with Emma again, but given either the writers execution, giving into viewers demands for rating purposes, as they are close to syndication, and/or MRJ just wants out, fans I think have a right to feel and discuss the sting of that outcome. I think it helps ease the pain to be able to discuss it.


    But I do think that there's discussing it verses both parties being incredibly rude and unfeeling towards either viewpoint.

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  110. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 15:54

    I totally agree with what your saying. It's not that Regina hasn't ever let anyone in her personal space, but the way it was done here, because of her current state of being, was VERY different than it was before, because you could feel the tension of her experiencing and being aware of her own vulnerability, which she usually denies by over sexualizing herself.

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  111. DarthLocke431 March 2014 at 17:39

    As Claire said, it's suppose to be a determinant death, but I do suspect given certain ideas that series (seeping curse = ethereal/pocket universe could be seen as a kind of death, the consciousness can be summoned from "somewhere" else aka with Daniel), and heavily it's spin off series giving away BIG mythos reveal with The Well of Wonders and magical waters in all the universes, and that both series barrow greatly from LOST and Fringe, all hint at an afterlife.


    I'm hoping that series will one day more directly address this. I think for Henry in particular, it would be nice if he could at least make contact at some point...

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  112. marilia11p31 March 2014 at 19:30

    I really liked this episode even though I hate that they killed Neal and I do believe that they did it for the Captain Swan shippers. I preferred Emma with Neal to be honest. With Hook I just don't see it. I love Hook, though, and I have to say that I loved his scene with Neal. God, I'm so mad they killed him. And it was really sad for Rumple after everything he did to get his son back. And Henry didn't even get the chance to see him before he died. I really think they should do something about Henry. Give him back his memories somehow. Otherwise his character has no point. He's just there in the background of what must seem to him a completely crazy town.

    One of the things I really liked was Regina/Robin Hood. Unlike Captain Swan I can see it happening and they have great chemistry. I wonder if something happened between them in they year they lost. I doubt anything serious happened, but it would be really interesting if it did and the forgot about it. I'm also really glad that Regina realized Robin was the one Tink was talking about.

    Not much Charming or Snow this week but there was really no time with everything that was happening. Also, so happy that they revealed Zelena to evreyone so quickly. I was afraid it would take forever.

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  113. David Fischer31 March 2014 at 20:28

    As someone who doesn't care about Emma's love life at all (all of her potential suitors have bored me), I didn't have a problem with his death. I never particularly liked Neal or the actor that plays him, but both were on fire tonight. If he was written this well every episode maybe I would be more upset at his death.

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  114. Ghani31 March 2014 at 20:31

    I completely disagree with what you've written about Neal not being a good father. He was a very good father for the time he knew about Henry. The second he found out about Henry he accepted him as his son without question. He wanted to spend time with him and get to know him. He moved to Storybrook because of him. He cared for him and wanted to protect him. He crossed realms for him (and Emma) and helped save him. Moreover and most importantly he loved him very much. Yeah, he made some mistakes (mostly in relation to Emma, not Henry). That doesn't make him a bad father, that makes him human. I think he could have become a great father had he had the time ... Alas ..:-(

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  115. Shay31 March 2014 at 21:14

    Unfortunately, there isn't much to show of Neal during the missing year because he was trapped inside of Rumple...which, btw, I'm surprised didn't shield his memories of resurrecting Rumple and Zelena's treachery from the curse.

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  116. Ghani31 March 2014 at 22:58

    Nope.

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  117. Sara31 March 2014 at 23:16

    Oh, I thought you meant 'good father' as in 'people who have known Henry for a week and bought him food'. But you meant: committed misdemeanour sexual abuse and then disregards the wishes of the actual mother. Ah, I can see the difference. I guess it's about ten years.

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  118. Sara31 March 2014 at 23:20

    I thought it worked really well considering all the horrific things Rumple has done to get to Neal that Neal's death was his 'price'. I mean the writing was really ham-handed but with Rumple always relying on other people paying the price to get him what he wanted, it really came back to him in spades in the most ironic way.

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  119. Ghani1 April 2014 at 01:05

    Neal didn't know about Henry, he never willingly abandoned him and he certainly never gave him up for adoption, so I wouldn’t fault him if he didn’t want to be bound by something he never agreed to. Not that that issue ever came up on the show though ... Everyone was already way over any legal issues at the time Neal met Henry.

    I don’t have the slightest problem with Neal having sex with Emma when she was 17. It isn’t an issue where I live and AFAIK even in the U.S. every state has a different legislation as far as this matter is concerned. They loved each other (plus it was true love, no less) and wanted to live together. So ... whatever.

    Regina is the Evil Queen who murdered, tortured and oppressed countless people, never mind all the other horrible things she did like rape Graham, condemn almost all inhabitants of FTL to unhappy eternity without memories and their loved ones, cast the curse which resulted in Emma being alone for most of her life, kill her own father, kill the father of a boy she wanted for herself and the list goes on and on, and whose ass should be in prison until the end of her days if there was any justice in OUAT, so I don't care very much what she wants in regards to Henry (or anything else for that matter), no. Plus she was pong-ponging from “evil” to “trying to be good and failing” to “completely bonkers” for quite some time. She was even completely delusional bordering on psychotic at one point. I don’t think she is a very good person to care for a child, especially not alone. (And that is a very big understatement. I think she shouldn’t be anywhere near children at least until she got her life and psyche together.) Plus the whole adoption was fraudulent from the start, because she would have never gotten Henry if the people from the adoption agency knew the truth about her and everything she did, so all her so called „legal rights“ to Henry are total BS anyway ...

    And even generally regardless of the above I think if a child has a possibility to forge a relationship with his/her parent who didn’t know anything about him/her, who isn’t a bad person and who wants to care for him/her and love him/her and both the parent and the child want that relationship it’s good for the child. The more love the child experiences and the more people he/she can rely on the better. I think in that case it is far less probable that the child will have abandonment issues and related problems in the future.

    So, all in all, for the short amount of time Henry and Neal knew each other they loved each other as father and son and Neal tried to be the best father he could be. And because of that Henry now knows his father at least a little, had a real relationship with him and will know (when he remembers everything) that his father didn’t abandon him and loved him. When he remembers he will also find out that Neal died trying to get back to him and Emma as he promissed he would do. I think that is definitely preferable to Henry not knowing his father at all.

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  120. R Vassilissa1 April 2014 at 02:22

    I enjoyed the Regina/Robin scenes because they had good chemistry; the writing itself was quite cliché and predictable, but I've never known OUAT to do romance well.
    I really liked the Rumple/Neal morphing - that was a cool and creepy twist! I wish they hadn't separated so quickly, that was really anti-climatic. What a waste of potential.
    However my major issue with this episode was that Neal's death was completely random and rushed. There was no proper build-up to it. But worst of all, it was obviously done for the sake of getting Neal out of the way of Hook/Emma. Moreover, they kill off characters on a regular basis, there are far too many "fake deaths" and resurrections. Frankly at this point I'm completely desensitised when it comes to OUAT drama.
    I know, I know, I should've stopped taking this show seriously a long time ago...

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  121. Jackwood1 April 2014 at 11:33

    Worst episode ever.
    Killing Neal to give a chance to a Emma/Hook relashionship is just stupid. I liked the character and so much time was spend for the whole Rumple/Baelfire dynamic that it's seems silly to kill him just for that. I know: all men must die but it's OUAT, not GoT. I thought the show was about happy endings. If someone did deserve a happy ending it was Neal who grew up alone and sacrificed is love for Emma, (more than Regina or Rumple I mean, even if I like both characters) It just doesn't feel fair.
    Plus is it a kind of malediction or is every boy in Rumple's family has to grow up without a dad? Seems unfair and sad.
    As for Hook, I hope they won't start a romance between him and Emma. First, the guy is average when not in his pirate's outfit (which is by the way becoming ridiculous), then he slept with Neal's mother and having a love interest in Emma that feels gross. Even if he changed a pirate is still a pirate, not sure is the right person to take care of Henry and does he expect Emma to quit everything for him for a life of adventure on his ship? She said Neal she wasn't sure she wanted to reveal the whole Storybroke story to Henry, because they had a happy normal life in NY. Leaving for a life with Hook would be other the top...
    I liked her better with Graham, wait didn't they kill him?
    Hope next episode will be better or I think I'll stop watching the show as I find this season less interesting (the plot, the characters,...)

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  122. calamitydjane1 April 2014 at 12:59

    Apparently I was wrong! The actor states that Neal's death was the result of a bold story telling choice
    that he supports, although he would have gladly stayed on the show
    longer.
    http://tvline.com/2014/03/31/once-upon-a-time-neal-dies-michael-raymond-james-burning-questions/

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  123. DarthLocke41 April 2014 at 14:41

    Ah, well you never know! Thanks for the update! :)

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  124. playdoc4 April 2014 at 01:00

    I really enjoyed this episode. I thought it was well done, for the most part. The Rumple-Neal morphing was way cool. Kudos to the special effects team! I think almost all of the positives have been mentioned by others already. So, I'll just list two things that sorta bothered me...

    I think Robin and Regina have good chemistry, and their scenes in this episode again proved that. But, the way Robin talks has annoyed me for a while. Finally, in this episode, I figured out why. Robin says everything in a...(how should I describe it?)...feminine...way (or is that metrosexual? don't know). This was most pronounced outside the farmhouse scenes, when Robin says something to Regina about them possibly meeting "in that pesky year we all forgot", then as he walks away (also slightly feminine, in this particular scene), he continues talking over his shoulder and says something about "asking the Wicked Witch about that". That whole delivery was just very...feminine. I apologize for possibly insulting him, or anyone. Just an observation.

    Another scene in this episode that bothered me, was when Rumple tried to absorb Neal, to save his son's life, back in FTL. Belle was RIGHT there, but Rumple tossed the knife to the Wicked Witch. WHY!?! I know, it makes for better story, otherwise, no story. I guess one could argue that Belle was too far from him, so perhaps he didn't have the strength or concentration to toss it to her. Still, it felt like a uncharacteristically dumb move...or at least a plot hole.

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