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POLL : What did you think of The Musketeers - Musketeers Don't Die Easy?

30 Mar 2014

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328 comments:

  1. Sandi30 March 2014 at 21:59

    Can't wait to hear what everyone thought of the finale, hope you all enjoyed it? Highlights for me were the final showdown after the "One for all" moment, Aramis & Porthos at the grave & with the Cardinal, the opening teaser, D'Artagnan/Milady/Athos scenes, and finally Athos in his hat :D

    The Cardinal? wtf is going on there? You have no idea how hard it's been to keep that quiet all week, especially this afternoon with all the Adele chat in the preview post, I was chomping at the bit not to join in!! He's gotta be back for at least one episode hasn't he, and Adele has to be addressed surely? Please tell me I'm not alone on this theory here, it's been driving me INSANE all week, my fingers have been practically itching to write this down, haha!

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  2. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:14

    A great finale! I knew these besties wouldn't betray each other!! I loved the "you're not drunk/dead we are all friends let's have a chuckle at how clever we are" scene. I laughed aloud. Athos was awesome...in his hat. =) I wanted to give Porthos a hug at the grave. So cute. Surprised at Anne's reaction. I would not have been so passive aggressive. LOL.
    So glad to see Milady live to fight another day! I'm sure her return, whenever that may be, will be epic. Would love to see her again. Her scenes this week were awesome.
    Constance gets the award for most endearing character. I just love Tamla's portrayal of her. Her facial expressions are so sweet and sincere. The look on her face at the end when Bonacieux was talking to her just about killed me! That being said, his survival didn't surprise me. Glad they saved some drama for series 2. I just hope they keep writing that story well. I have to admit, after the build up over the past two weeks, I was a bit bummed that it ended like that. I bet they resolve everything by the end of series 2 though. Just no love triangles. I hate that plot idea....

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  3. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:19

    Constance was great, her strength is a wonder after all she has been through bless her. I guess some people won't be happy at her and D'Artagnan being split again but for me I think it makes more sense dramatically and gives the actors much more to play with next season. Happy ever after is so boring imo, at least they know how they truly feel about each other and they have lots of material ahead to work with. We were told only two weeks ago that they had a long road to go down yet, so I don't think it should be too surprising that they are still on it at this point.

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  4. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:19

    OH! And So glad to see that Treville survived his cookie theft after all. Was so worried about him.

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  5. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:21

    I was surprised at the lack of death in the finale actually, only Pertwee bought it in the end (and the triple choc chunk cookies, ofc *sniff*). I'm glad that Milady esp survived, and the Capaldi though he is much more of a surprise of course, lol

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  6. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:22

    I agree! I just hope her character isn't water down...I'm not sure what her involvement is going to be now. Seeing her husband reduced to bluffing like that makes me wonder if he is going to let her out of the house! Haha. Just kidding. I know they will come up with something.


    It all makes sense. Bonacieux wasn't a villain. They didn't write him in a way that his death would have made sense. But when the maid said, "tried to kill himself" my first thought was, "so close!" Bahahahaha. So rude! haha.

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  7. Scoobie30 March 2014 at 22:23

    Loved it! Some wonderful scenes. The final showdown was brilliant. The faux funeral was beautifully played. Wish I'd placed a bet on the Queen's pregnancy lol! They went for more angst! Evil. The decision to split up Constance and D'Artagnan yet again was a pretty inevitable decision but cruel and becoming increasingly daft. They need to decide if they've got the guts to play this out. They're not going to be able to do this and make Constance and D'Artagnan squeaky clean and the more they try to do so, the more ridiculous it becomes. They've also now taken the hearts of their fans broken them, put them back together then broken them again. An interesting choice and I suspect not a sustainable one. Not sure how much longer they'll get away with that before they switch off. Though there is absolutely no way this is the end of the line for these two. My guess is that somehow Bonacieux will be proved to be a scumbag next year, it Constsnce will discover that he has a mistress. If we didn't gave another series to look forward to that aspect if the story would certainly have ended on a grim note. They'll clearly have a task on their hands to sort out the Peter Capaldi dilemma, as the Cardinal was already sniffing around the sudden baby news like a rat with the flu. Delighted that Treville will live to fight another day, which I know was the fear of many. Milady will be back. Perhaps she will find a hapless, pathetic stooge in Bonacieux.

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  8. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:23

    Were they aware of his departure at the time? I wonder if they would have given him a cool death if they knew. I hope to see him again in the future. Not sure how they are going to handle it though. They could do plots with Rocheforte (sp?) and Buckingham though. That would be cool.

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  9. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:24

    Part of me feels that he was just a set up character this year maybe, and next year he could be fleshed out? I;d love to see him an Milady team up, for example :D

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  10. Tigercheetah30 March 2014 at 22:26

    A very enjoyable episode and totally worthy of the series final :) despite two things that I didn't want to happen, happening - Queen Anne being pregnant with Aramis's child and D'artagnan and Constance not being together but I'll return to those issues in a sec..

    I'm not sure whether I was surprised or not that the Cardinal wasn't killed off or thrown in prison, that he had quite a low key ending. Was this ending written whilst the producers were unaware that Peter Capaldi had been cast as Doctor Who? When they still thought he'd be in series 2?

    Not at all surprised that Milady survived the series and I'm happy about that :) though I suppose I did think for a second that Athos might execute her, which would have been shocking.

    I loved Aramis and Porthas taking the mick during Athos's funeral.. :)

    Sean Pertree was a bit underused I thought but he did good with what he was given.

    I loved that D'artagnan had a lot to do again and he did indeed have some strong scenes throughout but of course, I'm dissapointed that he and Constence will be apart going into series 2. I think my main concern is that the producers will keep them apart indefinitely, even during series 3 or series 4 if the show gets that far. Eventually 'will they's or won't they's' become tedious after a while and I do hope the producers don't take this road in the long run. On the up side, despite D'artagnan clearly being upset that they couldn't be together, he took Constance's decision with grace I thought. Also, I can't see Constance being away from the action in series 2, which presumably means she and D'artagnan will mingle again.

    My main issue with Anne & Aramis is that it could show Aramis as being very reckless indeed, unless he KNEW that Anne was struggling to get pregnant and that her future as Queen rested on her giving birth to an heir.

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  11. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:27

    His Doctor announcement was 4th August, and they filmed until mid October, which is plenty of time to have written him out I would have thought. He would have time to do at least one episode, maybe even more if they banked his episodes for when DW finished filming. Pretty exciting stuff, *if* this is what they have planned.

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  12. Lubbeelou30 March 2014 at 22:31

    Oh I just loved it! Athos' reaction to the baby and Aramis was priceless. No doubt he will have more comments about that in series 2!! I thought that Constance was going to get killed at the end but thank goodness she didn't! I like Tamla :)

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  13. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:32

    I agree about Anne and the cardinal. I found it strange that she didn't even take any kind of insurance against him. Odd move. He did just try to kill her. But I love Anne...so I cannot find too much fault with her sweet, merciful nature. =)


    Now....about that baby...I wondered if that will be happening eventually. The "barren queen" remark was there for a reason, I thought.

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  14. Scoobie30 March 2014 at 22:32

    I was hoping she'd say, "Don't worry. D'Artagnan can do it for you" lol. Like you Sunny I'm praying that we don't get some God awful love triangle next year with D'Artagnan hooked up to someone else and possibly on the verge of marrying her and we get a whole series of "Don't do it! You know you love Constance!" Yawn. That would be a seriously stupid move and given the popularity of that aspect of the storyline, really damaging. Please, please, please make her a seamstress to the Queen. The two women together would be fantastic. Constance might then discover the truth if the baby's parentage and what an explosive secret that would be to hold. Put her back in the sphere of the Musketeers and back in the arms of the man she loves.

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  15. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:35

    Haha yes, I do love how Tom Burke can say so much with just a sideways glance, genius!

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  16. sharonally30 March 2014 at 22:37

    I thought it was a nasty position to put someone in from that husband of Constance's . To try to hold onto somebody that will never end well , she loves D,artagnan and that will not go away..

    Loved the finale by the way . From drunk Athos to learning about Anne's not totally unsurprising pregnancy , the interaction between the boys was spot on and people I wanted to live are still alive , .It will be interesting to see how they work around the Cardinal ? but he can still be a presence even if we do not see him. I actually felt for Milady and Athos in another time and place you can see they loved each other but was glad he let her live for his sake more than hers. But the boys live to fight another day that is what is important .

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  17. Tigercheetah30 March 2014 at 22:41

    I forgot to add - I'm pleased that Treville survives into series 2. I suppose replacing Hugo Speer would have been a difficult task.

    A bit surprised about Adelle not getting a mention but what with Aramis's concerns over Anne and his 'heartbreak' over losing Isabella to contend with too, there are only so many women Aramis can be really emotionally involved with.

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  18. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:41

    I'm almost sure Bonacieux will have to be a bigger character next year, otherwise what they have set up will be in danger of not be pulled off effectively is my guess. I can easily see him being recruited by Milady, as revenge for being tricked by both Constance and D'Artagnan in the finale, and therefore becoming the villain slowly over the course of season 2.

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  19. Scoobie30 March 2014 at 22:46

    I agree that it gives them something to play with next year and that it was hard to see it ending with the two of them deciding to set up home and raise lots of little Musketeers. However, while happy ever afters can be boring, sadly so are some of the completely predictable plot contrivances that are set up to avoid or delay it. Constance is brilliant and she's strong. Keeping her trapped with this pathetic, manipulative prat and longing for the man she can't have, or playing one side of a predictable love triangle, would be a huge disservice to the character that Tamla Kari has built brilliantly.

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  20. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:49

    I'm still not entirely sold on the pregnant Queen storyline, though the Cardinal guessing what's up does just about hold my interest in it at the moment, especially if it does eventually link back to Adele somehow.


    I too would have loved more Pertwee, but I think it would only have been possible if they had brought him in during the last episode, which then would have made the 3 month gap between episodes more difficult I guess. (Honestly, as soon as I heard that in the opening scene, I know Anne was going to be pregnant, lol). His fight with Luke at the end was great, fudging these battles with people who don't know too much about using a sword can't be easy so I think they did a great job there to make it look as good as they did :)

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  21. deeannjay30 March 2014 at 22:50

    I was a tiny bit underwhelmed to be honest, which is why I have rated it "Good". Having said that, there was some really good stuff, the "funeral" being the highlight for me, with Aramis, Porthos and Treville all struggling to keep straight faces! Mind you, if Milady HAD been watching - and she seems to turn up just about everywhere- wouldn't the lack of a priest to conduct the service have raised her suspicions? I also thought Athos' face was a picture when he heard the Queen's happy news, and that look he gave Aramis! I loved the confrontation between Anne and the Cardinal, and like other people, can't quite work out what will happen to the Cardinal now, will he "disappear" between series, with an explanation given for his absence in the first episode of Series 2, or will they re-cast him? If they take the former option, it seems a shame that we will never get a payoff on his suspicions about Aramis, (the affair with Adele and now Aramis' possible paternity of the royal baby).

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  22. Kara30 March 2014 at 22:50

    I really want Constance to become involved with the Queen somehow. They are both going through such similar things- they could help each other. Constance knowing the secret about the baby would be good- at least she'd could feed Aramis information about how the baby is getting on etc.
    It's going to be hard off him to stand by and watch his son/daughter grow, never being able to say anything.

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  23. Juliet30 March 2014 at 22:50

    I agree. I don't understand why the writers broke up D'Artagnan and Constance AGAIN! It's like they gave them literally like 1 minute of happiness before angst. It's just weird. Fans were already upset about their episode 8 break up, and now we got an episode 10 break up AGAIN.


    I don't understand that. Also, Bonacieux being all like "I can't live without you" is like a cliche copy of stuff I've already seen in soap operas. Where you have the woman about to leave her husband for her soulmate only to have the husband threaten her with his suicide. It's been DONE in soap operas a lot.


    Also, Constance says that she LOVES him as he is walking away and can't hear her. I was hoping she'd tell him to his face so that he'd know that she loves HIM at least.


    I was reading the tweets from the fans. And fans were heartbroken AGAIN.

    On the brighter side, I'm so glad D'Artagnan didn't sleep with Milady!!! I was so worried. That would have really disappointed me.


    On a whole, I guessed right away that The Musketeers planned to trick Milady. The baby with Queen Anne/Aramis was also predictable!


    I just hope series 2 will be kinder to D'Artagnan and Constance fans. You can't keep making fans sad all the time!

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  24. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:51

    Oh yeah, I couldn't agree more, I hate triangles, not much turns me off of a character more than angst like that tbh, so I dearly hope they don't go down that route.

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  25. Tigercheetah30 March 2014 at 22:51

    If the producers get D'artagnan and Constance together by the end of series 2, I can live with how it played out here. Bonacieux was never portrayed as a cruel man, just a bit of a muppet and therefore, I suppose the producers were concerned that Constance wouldn't come across well if she left this 'muppet but not cruel' man, in favour of the handsome and exciting guy. I'm not sure about Bonacieux's final moments actually, it all happened rather quickly I thought. One of this show's few weak elements is that sometimes, there's so much going on, that some B characters and B storylines don't get the attention they really need. I just hope D'artagnan and Constance's 'will they or won't they' doesn't drag on indefinitely and it might be quite interesting to have D'artagnan as the only Musketeer with a wife - or at least common law wife.

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  26. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:56

    Agreed to you and Scoobie! Ugh, there is nothing worse than "true love" that isn't so true anymore once a love triangle plot forms.

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  27. deeannjay30 March 2014 at 22:59

    I agree with you Sandi. I think some limited appearance(s) in series 2 is the only scenario which makes sense, given that they knew about his appointment to the Dr Who role in plenty of time to re-write his story and give him a definite send off in the final episode, yet persisted in leaving the character in place and with some storylines hanging at the end of the finale.

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  28. Sandi30 March 2014 at 22:59

    Yeah, I agree that it is a terrible position to put Constance in, but in all fairness to him, earlier on when he found Aramis and Porthos to tell them that she was missing, he didn't go to the Cardinal first, or threaten to bring him into it at all. He said that he had to challenge D'Artagnan to a duel himself, which for a coward of a man is a pretty brave thing to do, and for me probably the most noble thing the character has done so far in the show. So, in some ways, as it stands at the moment, I am tempted to believe that his attempted suicide was genuine and that he does love Constance, even if it in a different way to how you or I would see and understand love. Desperation can be selfish unfortunately, I'm not saying he is right to ask what he asked of her, just that I understand his motivation in having done so.


    I love how Athos finally took off his locket and just casually dropped it to the ground as he walked away, nice touch :)

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  29. Sunny30 March 2014 at 22:59

    Ugh. He is resorting to all kinds of blackmail, so maybe he will become a villain! Haha. Poor Constance. She had such a rough day and then gets to come home to her husband threatening to kill himself if she leaves him. I think this series has been a bit harsh for her.

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  30. Scoobie30 March 2014 at 23:01

    I agree with this. I think next year will be about revealing to the audience that Bonacieux is indeed a devious, manipulative and ultimately cruel man. Rather than just the tedious, pretentious prat we've seen up to now. Indeed he may get involved in some dangerous game playing Milady which could result in his demise. I know it's been said by the Producers that this will be a long journey for these two but we all know how tired you can get on a long journey, especially when the scenery isn't really changing.

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  31. Tigercheetah30 March 2014 at 23:03

    I must admit, when you said in your preview that 'several months have passed' I did think 'oh noooooooo' because in previous episodes, court business and trials seemed to happen overnight, Lol.

    Oh well, I'll live with it. :)

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  32. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:15

    If they wanted Milady at the funeral they should have held it near a darkened doorway or archway, she seems to only like sulking around in them XD Porthos and Aramis were hilarious in that scene, totally reminded me why I liked them so much together earlier on in the series, Aramis' "there, there" was v cute, lol.


    I am so hoping that Capaldi is willing to take on a full schedule this year, it would make him a very, very busy man though! I can see him doing at least one episode, maybe two or three at a push? He doesn't have a huge amount of scenes in some, so I think it will boil down to how long they string the plot out I guess.

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  33. Kara30 March 2014 at 23:23

    What a great way to finish- I loved it... Great performances all around- I can't even seperate them really, they all stood out, if that's possible!
    Porthos, Aramis and Treville at the graveside was hilarious... I was laughing out loud. And then Porthos suddenly sobering at the thought of Athos actually dying was brilliant.
    I loved the 'You're not dead, you're not drunk' scene- just made me grin ridiculously. I was all 'Awww shucks, you guys!'
    The pregnancy announcement- Athos' sideways glance at Aramis = Tom Burke wins at everything. And so does Athos' hat.
    The final showdown- they must have had so much fun filming that- just brilliant. Part of me wanted them to round the corner and find Constance had somehow turned the tables on Milady- and had managed to capture her. Glad they let her go- but also glad that they showed that Athos had let her go too, with him taking off that locket. The hold she has over him is broken (maybe?!)
    Constance- fabulous episode for her. Big well done to Tamla. I love that she just didn't sit there, and I loved that she how brave she was. Just a shame about the end with D'Artagnan. I was preparing for it, because of the way Sandi had said they have a reunion scene, and then another after. I didn't expect her husband to have gone to quite such lengths to keep her. I just felt so sorry for her- trapped still, watching the man she loves walk away. Much as I loved that he respected her decision- I would have loved a bit of 'I won't give you up that easily' from D'Artagnan. Again- that's just the sap in me! I just hope they don't drag it out- fans will only put up with having their heartbroken a couple of times! Both Tamla and Luke played it perfectly though- I do truly believe that they love each other deeply. Also- D'Artagnan vs Sarazin- lesson of the day- don't mess with Constance if you want to keep your life.
    I am regretful that Peter Capaldi is going- these past few episodes have proved what a brilliant nemesis the Cardinal is, and offers much promise for the future- especially now he's cottoned on about the baby. Capaldi was obviously revelling in it too- shame he won't be there in series 2.
    Anyway- babbling now- I'm sure there's something I've missed, but I'm sure I'll be wittering on in here for a while!

    Oooh- THE scene. The one we've been waiting for- perfect. I actually clapped *embarrassed*

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  34. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:33

    The showdown was fab, I love how exciting they make the battles, and how these Musketeers actually have muskets, pistols and bombs for a change, as well as the swords. I also love how when they rounded the corner to see Milady standing there with Constance and she said "one more step, blah blah", Athos just called her bluff and carried on walking, knowing that she would be more interested by him than any plan she had up her sleeve. And then Constance practically saving herself as Milady was distracted, great little touch :)

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  35. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:39

    I'd like to see Constance and Anne getting on too, let's build on these strong female roles and have them interacting more rather than just on their own.

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  36. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:40

    A couple of bts photos from Jessica, gotta love how much she interacts with the fans, she's a fab producer!

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  37. Sunny30 March 2014 at 23:43

    Love this idea! She was a confidant of the queen in the book. Would be a way to get her back into the adventures since she is stuck in her marriage. I would love to see Anne and Constance interact and be friends. I love both of them dearly! Well cast. They get better every episode. Maybe Constance could teach Anne how to cook! haha. Just kidding. I am sure Anne's fish was wonderful. Combined with Treville's cookies, makes quite a feast!

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  38. Sunny30 March 2014 at 23:50

    You know, I pondered Treville's possible death over the week, and the only thing that made me even slightly okay with it was the possibility that Athos would become the leader. I'm so pleased to see that he has survived. I had grown a bit fond of him...=)

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  39. Bailey30 March 2014 at 23:51

    That's kind of what I was worried about - I think if they had killed Treville and made Athos the leader it would have changed the dynamic of the show too much. Not ready to go there. Plus, wasn't ready at all to lose Hugo Spear when there are so many more interesting story lines with him around.

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  40. Emily30 March 2014 at 23:51

    Brilliant finale! I literally just watched it so my thoughts are a bit jumbled so I'll come back and write some more coherent thoughts later!

    The wait until Series 2 is going to be a painful one!

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  41. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:52

    Haha, like Treville would ever share his cookies with the rest of us mere mortals :(


    On a more serious note, right with you on the Anne/Constance friendship. I'd also quite like to see the King and Queen's relationship to break down more, like it is in the books, which would cause more conflict at the court. Not that I want the women to just be friends to cope with the angst, I would like it to be more than that obviously, but I think stirring things up now the heir situation in resolved might be an idea.

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  42. Sunny30 March 2014 at 23:52

    Agreed, the only reason that I thought it was Treville was the coffin scene. That turned out alright for everyone. =)

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  43. Bailey30 March 2014 at 23:52

    I think she was actually thinking of France as well, knowing how her husband feels about and relies upon the Cardinal - if she has the option to not disrupt it I think she would take it, even if it seems extreme.

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  44. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:53

    I would have been a bit heartbroken at losing Treville, he truly is their father figure in many ways, more so than I think they even realise themselves at time.

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  45. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:54

    He was my only guess for who could be in it too, if it wasn't a fake out.

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  46. Sandi30 March 2014 at 23:55

    It sure is, such a long time between seasons!

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  47. Sunny30 March 2014 at 23:55

    Yes, and I love her more for thinking of Louis and France over herself or revenge. I think I was surprised by it because that is not at all how I would have responded. Yet...I have not been threatened by the cardinal...so my reactions are not valid. Haha.

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  48. Bailey30 March 2014 at 23:58

    I would hope that he at least comes back for an episode or two, or that he/they are able to fit him in somewhere and then have other villains fill the gap.


    I am also super disappointed about the Adele thing. It just seems like a waste and the biggest dropped ball for me as a viewer. I wasn't surprised that it didn't come up in this episode as I knew they'd have so many things they were already juggling, but it seems like they had a plan for it and never followed through. Not even a hint. Since episode two it's been like it didn't happen or like Adele didn't exist. I'm probably overly critical on this point, but poor choice there, from my view.


    And, I'm really very okay that Constance and d'Artagnan are not together. I'm not sure how they're going to sustain a storyline between them, but happily ever after feels unrealistic.

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  49. Sunny30 March 2014 at 23:59

    Taking this "months" thing in a different direction for a minute, I think they wrapped up the angst between d'Artagnan/Constance a bit hastily. While her "I'm sorry" was so adorably sad, I feel that the increased time with festered feelings would have demanded a tiny bit more clarification on what really happened.

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  50. Juliet31 March 2014 at 00:01

    I was reading twitter and tumblr comments during the episode. And lots of fans are REALLY disappointed about the D'Artagnan/Constance break up. First of all, it is their SECOND break up in the same season. And we got D'Artagnan/Constance crying a lot AGAIN! In episodes 8 and 10, we saw their hearts breaking. So I think it's a little too much!


    Also, a lot of people are disappointed with the way the break up happened. They only got a few SECONDS of pure happiness before the maid interrupted them, and everything went downhill. The whole aspect of Bonacieux threatening suicide is a SOAP OPERA type of a storyline. I know because I used to watch a lot of soaps while growing up. This plot has been used many times. I don't think I've seen it used on primetime before, though. And I'm surprised because these writers are AMAZING. And I'm just disappointed in this type of a storyline because it is very soapish. Done purely to keep the main couple apart.


    So I don't know. What if there hadn't been a series 2? Imagine the show ending on such a bad note for the main couple? Ouch.

    I would assume if you have a LONG hiatus, you'd want to give the fans something happy in the season finale. So that they could remember that happiness until season 2. Here, you kind of left D'Artagnan/Constance fans heartbroken until series 2. Which is a LONG wait. It's surprising, that's all!


    And again, Bonacieux isn't needed because D'Artagnan/Constance are charming and entertaining together. So they can be together without it becoming dull or whatever. Luke/Tamla are superb together. Usually, triangles/angst is needed to spice up a pairing. Here, they are already wonderful together and fun and charming! So you don't need the unnecessary soap opera angst at all.

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  51. Sunny31 March 2014 at 00:02

    You know, even though we all had speculated a "fake out" since the promo pics leaked, the sigh of relief that came when that was revealed was huge! LOL. I was so worried that the writers would have ruined all that I knew about d'Artagnan and the others. Was so excited to see that he held true. Luke was amazing in this episode, like you had told us.

    That being said, I would have loved to see the actual "you slept with my wife" revelation/conversation.

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  52. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:02

    Well and even in real life the king accused Anne (briefly I think) of possibly siding with Spain and her brother. They could play with a plot-line like that.

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  53. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:05

    I haven't given up all hope yet, there simply has to be a showdown between Aramis and the Cardinal now in my book after that set up, or what was the point, it could easily have been cut from the episode. I know I can be too stubborn for my own good sometimes, but given a hint like that has to mean something, lol.

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  54. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:07

    I did love the "all for one, one for all" moment.


    And more randomly, I loved the moment in the fight where both Athos and Aramis threw their knives at the same time into the same guy to keep him from coming up behind d'Artagnan. Great minds and all that.


    Athos and Aramis's looks between each other through the whole Anne thing were awesome. They can both do so much in a look, Tom Burke especially.

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  55. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:08

    Yeah, they have hinted at this already haven't they, and they haven't shied away from the political plots, so we could well be seeing something along those lines.

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  56. Sunny31 March 2014 at 00:12

    I wouldn't worry too much. The BBC keeps labeling Constance as his "one true love" and Dumas had her written as such. They will be together eventually. They are concerned about a good story, and after this series, I really think they will give us one. I don't think the marriage will survive series 2. Bonacieux revealed cruel characteristics that could turn him into a villain to be killed off. But he isn't a villain yet, so there was no reason to kill him. I predicted d'Artagnan having to save Constance only to turn her over to her husband, but I was still disappointed too. But I have to say that I am okay with it as I am just relieved they didn't kill her off...like Dumas did....lol

    I read somewhere that in series 2 "if d'Artagnan gives you the look, you run!" So I kind of like the idea of him having a chip on his shoulder. D'Artagnan makes such a nice looking lovesick lad...=) Hope he stays that way as we have all discussed his "look" in series 2. Looks a bit questionable now with facial hair and hat!

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  57. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:12

    I think it was a well written finale, all motivations were in place well beforehand (even if I wasn't keen or agreed with any of them...pregnant Queenie for one) and the twists and turns played out well. Characters acted very true to their nature throughout, yet were convincing in their tricks, the humour was very well placed and didn't feel forced. A success imo :D

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  58. Sunny31 March 2014 at 00:15

    What a lovely dynamic this would bring to the show. While it has AWESOME female characters, they do not have much screen time together. I think this is one idea that has me the most excited about series 2!....so far anyway. We do have a long way to go. =)

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  59. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:30

    I think your teasers did exactly what teasers are meant to do. lol


    No worries. I love the speculation and the payoff.

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  60. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:30

    If only you could see just how hard I've been biting my lip this week, srsly, no amount of chapstick is gonna sort this out! XD

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  61. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:32

    Pobre Sandi.

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  62. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:33

    He does, he's one of those actors who uses his props well, Pertwee is the same, Junior Reporter is a budding actor so I pointed a few things out to him in his scenes this week. It draws you into the scene, and makes the character more believable.

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  63. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:35

    Seriously when you consider how difficult it would be to act with props, let alone the complicated props these guys have to deal with (I think back to the pilot where Aramis is loading his gun and doing all the steps while not missing a beat with his lines). Impressive indeed.

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  64. Bailey31 March 2014 at 00:39

    I'm right there with you in the stubborn arena. And all I'm thinking is, "my god, I'm going to have to end up looking up some sort of Adele plot-hole resolution fanfiction somewhere," if such a fannish creation exists. What has this show done to me? I will more realistically hope they find a way to work this into the second series. I need all my loose ends tied up.

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  65. deeannjay31 March 2014 at 00:43

    I loved the comment Adrian Hodges made in a podcast (Geek syndicate I think) about how he had a big bin wheeled into costume fittings for all surplus-to-requirements feathers to be thrown into and how Aramis ended up the only character allowed to have one "knackered" feather in his hat. I can't look at that feather now without wanting to giggle!

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  66. River31 March 2014 at 00:45

    Hilarious. I'm going to have to look up that podcast. Knackered makes total sense with all he puts that hat through.

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  67. River31 March 2014 at 00:49

    Yeah, I was expecting it. I think there journey towards each other just can't be that easy or that quick. Will they/won't they can get old fast, but having her situation resolved with her husband by the end of this series seemed a little impossible. And their other option at the moment is to just carry on having an affair. No other plans to leave her husband have even been mentioned. Just that she still wants to carry on with d'Artagnan.

    I'm thinking in series 2 if she starts working for the Queen (as is being wished for elsewhere in this thread), maybe that will create some distance from her husband, and a chance to really define her own life.

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  68. Sandi31 March 2014 at 00:52

    Ha, me too.

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  69. Juliet31 March 2014 at 00:54

    I hope so! I feel like if the writers keep throwing angst/sadness and obstacles at D’Artagnan and Constance, that could frustrate the fans. It could get old really fast. I mean, there is only so much sadness the viewers can take! Too much sadness can be a turn off for a lot of fans! You want to have a mix of happiness. And if you compare the happiness vs pain ratio for D'Artagnan and Constance, well then you barely get happiness...I think they got 2 happy moments in episode 8 before going down the hill. Then in episode 10, they got a few seconds literally before going down the hill. So I feel like you have to give them at least SOME happy moments. Some tender scenes. If they keep crying and being in pain, that's not exactly entertaining in my personal opinion.

    And again, with D’Artagnan and Constance, you don’t need angst to make them interesting. They’re already a fun and entertaining pairing. Luke and Tamla are great in the roles.

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  70. Juliet31 March 2014 at 00:59

    On twitter, I was mostly reading the fans who were discussing D'Artagnan and Constance! Few examples of the tweets I saw (all of the below tweets are from different people):

    "I was devastated D'Artagnan and Constance didn't end up together :("

    "BUT D'ARTAGNAN AND CONSTANCE THOUGH I WAS CRYING AGAIN ITS NOT FAIR."

    "Okay this is just cruel why can't D'Artagnan and Constance just be together"

    "Right the musketeers has officially ended and Constance and D'artagnan didn't end up together WHY THE FUCK NOT OMG IM SO SAD"

    "still ain't happy about d'artagnan and constance, where's their happy ending?"

    "Nooooooo Constance!! What are you doing!?! D’Artagnan is your lobster!"

    "NOOOO WAY NOOOOOOO OMG THE TEARS NO CONSTANCE AND D'ARTAGNAN"

    "D'Artagnan and Constance breaking my heart over and over again" And the TWEETS go on and on!

    "It was so sad, I just wished Constance and D'Artagnan were a couple"

    "How the heck can Constance let D'Artagnan walk off?!"

    "Oh no, I wanted D'artagnan and Constance to have a happy ending!!"

    "Gutted about D'artagnan and Constance!"

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  71. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 01:00

    Sunny, I agree with this completely. He needed to know what price she'd paid and what she was forced to do as well as what a cruel, ruthless, manipulative little creep he's up against. Also, wouldn't Constance have simply seen this latest ridiculousness as round two in the manipulation stakes after what she's just been through?

    I think series two will also begin by moving the timeline on by a year or two. Aramis junior will be born and a little toddling ticking time bomb. The Cardinal will have left or been exiled and I fear that as we speak, some unfortunate young actress has been cast in the thankless role of D'Artagnan's temporary Constance substitute/convenient plot contrivance. She'll be hated en masse by the fans at first sight and spend the entire series being simpering, sweet and terminally dull. While Constance will once again emerge into D'Artagnan's life and he'll spend the series trying desperately to be loyal and dutiful to his new chicky whilst wanting to unbuckle his sword and rip the bodice off Constance.

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  72. Sunny31 March 2014 at 01:04

    Bahahahahaha. I'm sorry, that last sentence was so funny! Haha. I don't know. There are only ten episodes. I would hope that they don't go the love triangle route due to time and due to the foundation that they have already laid. I think a love triangle would cheapen the price that Constance would pay in loving d'Artagnan despite her situation. I really hope they don't introduce that. I don't think they will though.

    A toddling ticking time bomb....lol, that's one way to describe the Aramis/Anne love child.

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  73. LuckyNumberSLVN31 March 2014 at 01:05

    Do you believe it is possible that Peter Capaldi joins the Musketeers for limited appearences to keep up with the "continuity" ? I'm not sure if that's possible..

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  74. LuckyNumberSLVN31 March 2014 at 01:10

    Well I'm really with you two on this one ! But tbh, after that last scene when Aramis and Anne were talking alone, the Cardinal must have put two and two together BECAUSE he knows Aramis' penchant for women (including his own mistress, a long time ago hum) So I can't believe (I don't want to) that they will just let all that down. It is such a shame, Peter Capaldi's departure from the show... I could already see interesting blackmail and stuff between the Queen and the Cardinal... Pffff.. This finale has been testing.

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  75. LuckyNumberSLVN31 March 2014 at 01:12

    Establishing a relationship between the Queen and Constance would be giving them more independance I think. It would be a good thing, to have them dealing with their own personal plot.

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  76. Sunny31 March 2014 at 01:13

    Well, now we all get to start over again on the same page as we all equally know nothing and are all chomping at the bit for series 2.

    I have some Burt's Bees...would you like some?

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  77. Sunny31 March 2014 at 01:17

    Well, look at it this way, the angst and obstacles means tons of stories and plot lines ahead! The writers aren't done with this couple - basically it's a promise of more to come.

    Also, I don't think Constance has looked more beautiful all season as she did in this episode. Even with a bruised cheek! And d'Artagnan's face when he walked away from her was heartbreaking. Luke did an amazing job conveying every emotion in this epiosde.

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  78. Bailey31 March 2014 at 01:22

    That's just awesome. And it so fits.

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  79. Bailey31 March 2014 at 01:31

    Oh, I totally believed you that those tweets existed (sorry if I made you feel like you had to prove yourself). I wasn't doubting you at all and I feel bad for the fans who were really wanting the romantic happy ending.


    All I was saying is that I think there is a *range* of response out there, and the direction they went on the show doesn't seem all that surprising from my view, nor does it seem that *some* others have been all that surprised either. I'm sure some were, and I'm sure some were disappointed.


    Really, I would have been more surprised if they *had* let Constance and d'Artagnan ride off into the sunset. I just don't think they've gotten them realistically there yet.


    And really, they have more obstacles to overcome, even if Bonacieux had oddly, suddenly given them his blessing on their affair. :(

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  80. deeannjay31 March 2014 at 01:42

    I can certainly recommend the podcast, it's a very good interview, lasting about 45 mins. Just google "Geek Syndicate Adrian Hodges" and you'll find it in no time.

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  81. Bailey31 March 2014 at 01:49

    That I would like to see. And it would give Constance a chance to, as you said, define her own life a little, working away from her husband and maybe having more control over her own life. Bonacieux would still be an issue, but it would be a good step in her development, and possibly a good step towards her being able to resolve things more satisfactorily and then come back to her relationship with d'Artagnan on different/better/less cagey terms.

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  82. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 02:03

    Oh how I hope you're right Sunny. It would completely cheapen it but then, I would never have thought they'd break them up yet again, less than 60 seconds after reuniting them! If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. I would also imagine that it's likely to get more than a little tired for the actors as well as the audience, particularly Tamla Kari who was building Constance into a wonderfully spirited, gutsy character but who seems trapped now in a depressing cycle of misery. The problem is they're not prepared to be adult about this relationship. I don't think there's a single person in the audience who seriously believes that D'Artagnan and Constance will stop loving each other, or be able to keep their hands off each other. So, is the solution to demonise Bonacieux further to legitimise the affair? Render Constance a miserable, trapped soul with a crushed spirit? Or drag some other unsuspecting creature into the mix to be heartbroken when the irresistible force and the immovable object collide once again, as they will. Personally, I would much preferred to have left it with Constance talking about the beautiful dream, only for D'Artagnan to make it crystal clear that he isn't going anywhere and he isn't giving up on them. That would have left a really great sense of game on fir the next series.

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  83. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 02:11

    At least the reaction to this latest development tells the Production Team two things. Firstly, that Luke Pasqualino and Tamla Kari were a REALLY good casting decision and secondly that if they ever decide to follow the novel to it's actual conclusion, they'll need a fast car and a set of false passports. The BBC may even want to consider constituting a Producers Protection Programme!

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  84. magil31 March 2014 at 02:16

    Wow, thanks. I just watched the ep since I couldn't watch it in real time, and now I'm listening to this interview. It's a musketeer evening!

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  85. magil31 March 2014 at 02:18

    I for one wonder if they'll still do it eventually. I tend to doubt it, but I just don't feel like she's safe.

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  86. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 02:23

    My bet Magil, is that by then, they'll have figured out a way to break them up, get them together and kill her off simultaneously.

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  87. magil31 March 2014 at 02:26

    XD Very likely. :)

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  88. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 02:57

    On a more serious note, it's understandable, that many of the fans are so genuinely upset but the irony is, they'll look back on this with affection eventually. Believe me, these are the good times folks, the times to be savoured when everything is still to play for and hope is still very much alive for an infinite range of possibilities ahead. This is the time before you're bored to death by an endless Will they? Won't they? Disappointed by an eventual outcome that feels tacked on or contrived. Before it's completely run out of steam, or Luke Pasqualino (or any of the leads) decides it's time to move on, or try their luck in the States and the four become an awkward three, or the BBC decides it's no longer a viable use of license payers money and wants to go in a different creative direction...yes the Ripper Street decision still smarts...it may not always feel that way, but this really is the good stuff, savour it while you can.

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  89. Juliet31 March 2014 at 03:24

    The D'Artagnan and Constance reunion hug/kiss was simply amazing! I love that she ran into his arms and told him the truth. Also, it was nice to see Porthos/Aramis smiling at their reunion. They support their relationship. And I agree, this was Luke's best episode. He was phenomenal!

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  90. Juliet31 March 2014 at 03:26

    Pretty sure I read that all the lead actors have a LONG contract with the show. So I don't think we'd need to worry about the actors wanting to leave.

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  91. Juliet31 March 2014 at 03:32

    It's something I also thought about. I mean, DVD sales are important. And since a lot o fans who are hard core support D'Artagnan and Constance's relationship, I'm also concerned that they wouldn't want to buy the DVD since the ending is that sad. Which is why I think the writers should have given them a more positive/good "to be continued" type of an ending. I'm not saying "fairy tale." But something lighter/more hopeful! Constance telling D'Artagnan 'Goodbye' isn't that hopeful. Normally, shows end in such a way as to also make way for DVD sales. So you don't really want to have a sour ending to a season...You want viewers to buy the DVD. Over all, the season has been pretty angsty for D'Artagnan and Constance fans. I mean, TWO break ups in a span of 10 episodes? And Constance wasn't in 2 episodes, at all.


    Also, I don't think they'd kill Constance. For one thing, she is absolutely a female fan favorite. Fans love her. Secondly, the D'Artagnan/Constance romance is extremely popular. They did say that they will make changes and re-vise the book. Fingers crossed.

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  92. Juliet31 March 2014 at 03:33

    Oh, no worries! :) I didn't post the tweets to show "proof." I just wanted to share what some fans posted on twitter with you guys. So you'd have some idea of what was said during the episode. That's all. :) I follow a lot of Musketeers fans on twitter, and so I see their comments all the time.

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  93. Juliet31 March 2014 at 04:52

    On a brighter note, Athos's facial expression was PRICELESS when it was revealed that the Queen was pregnant. The way that he looked at Aramis! LOL! Seriously, so good!!!

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  94. Sunny31 March 2014 at 04:57

    Oh, my, this is so true! Don't mean to bring up an item from the Stone Age here, but does anybody remember Robin Hood? After two seasons of are Robin and Marian really together or not, they killed her off. LOL. that was awful. I would hate to see that happen with this show.

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  95. Sunny31 March 2014 at 04:59

    LOL, I LOVED Porthos underneath the cart! And Athos throwing bombs! And Aramis changing guns! So fun!

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  96. Bailey31 March 2014 at 05:41

    Just listened to it. Good interview. Looking forward to (if they do it) the post series interview.

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  97. Bailey31 March 2014 at 05:43

    Yeah, a while back I started checking out the comments on twitter semi often. I just think those I track are into other aspects of the show - not so much the d'Artagnan/Constance stuff.

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  98. Bailey31 March 2014 at 05:52

    Shows can start to misstep more drastically after a while. Some stay strong or get better. And some kind of just loop and hold it together. Despite my frustration with the erased Adele thread, I'm holding strong hopes for the second season.

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  99. Juliet31 March 2014 at 05:56

    I watched Robin Hood. I was a HUGE fan of Robin/Marian, of course. And yes, they killed her off in season 2 for the shock value. And oh boy were the viewers upset. Robin Hood only last season 3, and then it was done. And I think that's because most viewers were still so upset. Even the lead actor chose to leave the show in season 3. Usually, when you kill of a female lead, it tends to end the show. Similar thing happened with The OC, they killed of Marissa and the main relationship of Ryan/Marissa in season 3. The show only lasted season 4 and was then cancelled due to bad ratings.


    It's just NOT a good idea to kill off the leads for "shock value." Especially in this show because Constance is the main female lead. Queen Anne doesn't get as much screen time. And Milady was absent for a good amount of episodes. Plus, the D'Artagnan/Constance pairing has a lot of fans.

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  100. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 06:46

    Lol, you can't keep frustrating fans again and again but more importantly - like Scoobie has said - very long-term 'will they or won't they' can become passion killers in the end.

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  101. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 06:55

    Since the show clearly likes to push romance in the direction of all four musketeers, if this continues into series 2, the producers have little choice with D'artagnan but to either re-kindle his affair with Constance by the end of series 2 or push a new romance in his direction, at least in the short term.

    I'm sure many fans won't enjoy the latter but then, producers tend to write for the general audience, rather than fans of ships.

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  102. Kara31 March 2014 at 07:05

    Well, I've slept on it, and the more I think about it, the more regret I feel about Peter Capaldi leaving. His character was building up nicely, and the last few episodes have been perfect for him- showed how he could be a true threat to the Musketeers. I think it was the Cardinal/Aramis/Queen scene that did it for me- it's clear he twigged, and just the thought of where that could have gone in series 2 made me excited. It would have made this pregnancy plot all worthwhile (although Athos' look to Aramis almost did that too!), because I was hoping they didn't go there really!

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  103. magil31 March 2014 at 07:17

    Yes. I think shippers can be very vocal (and sometimes very organized) but don't always represent the larger audience, and I think producers/writers do try to write more towards the wider sphere.

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  104. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 07:19

    With Aramis now the father of the future King and Heir, have they already changed the dynamic of the main four? The show may not dwell on the child or ever allow King Louis to find out the truth but it's always going to be there.

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  105. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 07:22

    I was worried for a minute that Porthas's pretend grief would be real grief by the end of the episode, thanks to an unexpected Treville death.

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  106. magil31 March 2014 at 07:23

    You know, I didn't actually read her comment that way. I think the challenges the musketeers face always means they're evolving and adjusting to their circumstances (like the pregnancy thing and only Athos knowing the secret).

    But if they killed Treville and had Athos in charge, that would leave Athos in the garrison commanding all the other musketeers, and it wouldn't be the four going off on missions together anymore. It would change the dynamic that way.

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  107. Kara31 March 2014 at 07:24

    Also- the Constance/D'Artagnan plot- I'm one of those that wasn't expecting it to be all wrapped up nicely in this series. I do wonder if they couldn't have offered a little more hope- even if it was more a D'Artagnan scene with the rest of the Musketeers... A kind of 'her husband's a manipulative little worm, and I'm not giving up' scene. To end it on that 'it was a lovely dream scene' with both their hearts breaking was just... mean. Two break ups in one series did seem a bit cruel though- on them, and on the audience. Still the producers know what they have on their hands now- Tamla and Luke have done a great job in conveying just how much these two feel for each other.
    What I want more than anything is for Constance to get more independence in series 2. If we just get episode after episode of her miserable and pining, I'll be hacked off. She has been portrayed as a strong woman, striving for more independence, and I hope she continues with that strength in series 2. She wouldn't just sit waiting for something to happen- we've already seen that she makes things happen herself. I think even if she is being guilted into settling for what she has in her love life, she can be developing in other aspects of her life. Namely- going and getting a job with the Queen ;)
    Please, please, please don't reduce her to a typical woman with a crushed spirit pining for glimpses of her lost love- she's already been shown to be way more than that. Tamla has really do e a great job.

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  108. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 07:32

    Luke does lovesick and sad eyes very well, after all, he had a lot of practice in the role of Freddie during his Skins days - that was one depressing show, especially during series 4.

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  109. Juliet31 March 2014 at 07:34

    Sandi, I have a question! They're releasing the series 1 DVD on March 31st. But what about the consolidated ratings for episode 10? Aren't they worried that fans will just buy the DVD and won't watch episode 10 during the week? Shouldn't they at least release the DVD a full week after the airing of episode 10 due to consolidated ratings for the whole week? It seems strange to me. Consolidated ratings is where The Musketeers excel. It's the ratings for the whole week. So to release a DVD that soon might damage those weekly ratings.

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  110. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 07:39

    If the show continues for several years, I hope the actors are given a break during this period, to allow them to do something fresh and different for a while. However much they enjoy doing the show, their creative sides may need a different outlet for a year or so.

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  111. Bailey31 March 2014 at 07:55

    I just meant that if they put Athos in Treville's position, they would no longer be a unit unto themselves like they have been. Not in the same way they've been this season. Athos would have to do all the things in the background that Treville has been doing. He would likely have to stay at the garrison rather than go on missions with the other three, and he would have to do the politicking at court that Treville has been in charge of (which I don't think Athos would find grand, lol).


    But based on your comment, I think we might be talking about two different concepts. I'm not really sure how Aramis's being the father of Anne's baby changes the dynamic between them. His position as a musketeer doesn't change, nor his place on the team (at least not unless he's caught and gets hung).


    There will be drama perhaps when the other two find out, and we'll see Athos and Aramis keeping this secret between them, but that's more an emotional thread amongst the four like unto what we saw this season with d'Artagnan's secret about Milady, and the others not knowing Athos's past.


    It's the structural dynamic of their team I'm not ready to let go of. That's the part that I want to stay intact a bit longer. Much, much longer, if I have my way.

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  112. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 07:56

    I think you're right. They have a limited range of options and the yawningly predictable love triangle, which I fear for sheer boredom's sake, (not quite a square as I don't think Constance actually loves her husband) is certainly one. Generally I would agree with you about writing for "ships" but in this instance the D'Artagnan/Constance relationship is an iconic element of the story rather than merely an expression of the collective wish fulfilment of a section of the fan base and therefore a component that needs to be handled reasonably well. It also impacts the character progression, or lack thereof, of Constance in particular. She needs to be able to engage with the Musketeers in their adventures. I would also hate to see her being reduced to wearing in a corner over her lost love or looking pained as she watches him in the arms of someone else. She really deserves to be able to put more colours in the palette than that and she was blossoming brilliantly in the early part of the series. Ironically, the development of the love story has served only to narrow her world, not broaden it which us a shame and contrary to the essence of the novel.

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  113. Bailey31 March 2014 at 07:57

    Gah! I should have read your response before I replied. Yes, that's what I meant. I don't want Athos stuck in the garrison and being put in positions where he can't fully participate with the other three or where his role among them fundamentally changes.

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  114. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 08:06

    Was anyone else a little taken back by D'artagnan referring to Athos as his best friend? I think it's been said before that the show tries to juggle too many balls at once - hench no mention of Adelle, little screentime for Bonacieux, little screentime for Sean Pertree's character and for me, a slight lack of screentime for D'artagnan and Constance's reunion - and as a result, I feel Athos and D'artagnan could have had a few more scenes together throughout the series.

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  115. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 08:07

    Just remember something she may have said "Goodbye" to him but tellingly he didn't say it back. This isn't over by a very long way.

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  116. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 08:20

    You completely buy that they're crazy about each other. They play the heartache brilliantly but it needs to retain it's impact. If it punctuates every episode and completely defines their relationship, it will eventually lose it's ability to move you. There was not inconsiderable joy in Constance and D'Artagnan's relationship. It's that which makes the tragic aspects more poignant. A little angst is always good, too much is a farce. We're dancing might close to that line at the moment.

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  117. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 09:20

    Yeah, any new romance for D'artagan would probably be of the one-episode kind, before returning to Constance should her situation with her husband change.

    Scoobie's right though that D'artagnan and Constance are probably at the heart of the show as far as romance is concerned - even the male critics over at Den of Geek have mentioned this - so giving D'artagnan one-off romances may be a little trickier for the writers than giving Athos, Aramis or Porthas one-off romances. I think any love Athos still felt for Milady may have just been killed stone dead, it's the only way his character can move forward now but it can't quite be that way for D'artagnan and Constance.

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  118. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 09:31

    I agree with this completely. On a purely superficial note (don't you love those) that final take your knees out, snog! Woah! Pasqualino. The boy knows what he's doing. If I'd been in Tamla Kari's shoes I fear there would have been the necessity for multiple re-takes. In fact they would probably still be stuck in that street in Prague lol.

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  119. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 09:42

    Yeah, I get what you're saying. I suppose I need to remember that The Musketeers is nothing like Game of Thrones or The Borgias, which are / were very politically motivated indeed. If Aramis's child remains quite firmly in the background, it'll allow the four musketeers to carry on their adventures as a team as normal.

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  120. Maki31 March 2014 at 11:12

    I'm joining the stubborn team as well. Besides the 'I know everything' look that Cardinal gave Aramis after he saw him kissing Anne's hand seemed VERY personal (and quite jofyul :D I don't know why but I loved this particular expression...Capaldi is just amazing)....so hint for Adele and Capaldi returning for a few episodes??? I know it's only one expression but come on...the show's too good for creators to forget about something so big..

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  121. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:13

    I really hope that he can film a leaving episode, Who is due to start in Autumn which is about the time Musketeers will finish filming so it will be cutting it fine, especially when you factor in Xmas episode filming for Who too. I don't really like the idea of recasting though, surely he can fit a week or so of filming in just to round off what they have set up?

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  122. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:20

    It would have just have been easy to leave that scene out, or have someone else overhear and become a spy for whoever takes over from Capaldi next year. It would be disappointing for the whole thing to be not taken any further by the Cardinal himself after how Capaldi played it, lol.

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  123. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:29

    I think there could well be a couple of years gap, or maybe even 5 or more? It would certainly give more weight to the Cardinal leaving and having an older child at court without any others being about might be interesting. The second book happens after a 20 year gap after all.

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  124. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:40

    I tend to agree, I have to admit that I see very few shippers for the show online which is pretty surprising really. I have quite a lot of tweets come to me now, and I also sat under the #Musketeers and #MusketeersFinale tags last night for a 2-3 hours and would estimate that less than 1% of the tweets were shipper based. Constance, D'Artagnan, Anne, Aramis, Milady and Athos have a lot of fans, as do the other characters, but not much (under those general tags at least) who seem too bothered by the romance between them on the show compared to the action. If anything most of the fans are female fans of a particular Musketeer, I say they make up at least 50% of the tweets that I see, and then some are the fella's liking one of the ladies. I can't really speak for other social media though, so I don't know what it's like elsewhere?

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  125. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:43

    I hope it's over for Athos, his dropping her locket felt like he was over it for me so I'd feel a bit cheated if he was drawn back to her. I think she may still harbour feelings for him though, and her revenge isn't going to be pretty once she realises that he isn't going to play ball, lol.

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  126. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:45

    The slowmo camera catching Athos' exploding bomb throwing that guy across the street, the knife throws and falling baddies from windows :D It was great wasn't it!

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  127. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:47

    Sorry to reply to my own post here, but just spotted Tom giving an out of shot Luke a sideways glance that speaks volumes without words, just how some of us have been mentioning in this very thread, haha!

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  128. Sandi31 March 2014 at 13:54

    I liked the Porthos & Aramis reaction to their reunion, it really reflected what the audience felt I think :D


    I am really looking forward to what Luke and Tamla do with the characters in the future, we know how they feel about each other and they sorted out the misunderstanding, which for me was the important outcome from the episode. Like Sunny says, I think there will be far more romance to come with these two, you've also mentioned before that Hodges knows how to do romance properly and make it worth while, so I wouldn't give up hope, I trust him to make it work out right for them in the end :)

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  129. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:16

    Found it, cheers :) I am out today but will listen to it later on when I am back home again.

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  130. Sunny31 March 2014 at 14:25

    I have to admit I was just a little bit. I didn't think they had enough scenes together to justify that, but I'm okay with it. I was just so pleased to see that d'Artagnan actually was loyal that it all worked for me!

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  131. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:25

    Well lots of fans got their dvd on Saturday from Amazon so saw the episode before it aired, lol. The BBC always seem to release their dvds pretty soon after TX, I wouldn't think that the sales dent the figures too much. Though I have to admit I have no idea what the sales figures would be, but I doubt they sell millions in the first week of release?

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  132. Sunny31 March 2014 at 14:26

    Me too! I thought he was terrific in the past few episodes...he almost had a major meltdown. I'd love to see him hit rock bottom and turn truly evil. Hope they save him somewhat for the future rather than recast. He's too good!! That last look was full of so much promise of deviousness to come!

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  133. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:27

    Yeah, I think it's one of those suspension of belief things that must have happened during the missing three months while they planned out the whole ruse I guess letting Athos shoot him shows a huge amount of trust for example.

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  134. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:30

    Possible interesting tweet from Ryan Gage, if she is joining the cast could she be a nanny maybe?

    https://twitter.com/RyanGage/status/450613829748412416

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  135. Sunny31 March 2014 at 14:36

    Have you packed your bags for Prague yet, Sandi? =)

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  136. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:38

    I hoping to sneak into one of the casts packed bags, it's the only way I fear I will make it :( haha

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  137. Sunny31 March 2014 at 14:39

    Honestly, I would rather flesh out the Aramis and Anne relationship a bit more than give d'Artagnan a short time flirtation. There is so much there. I also would be interested to see if they give Athos a "happier" life in the next series. I was curious if they were going to save Ninon for another series or if she was really just a one time role. I enjoyed her.

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  138. Sunny31 March 2014 at 14:41

    Ha, this reminds me. Remember when a few of us were trying to piece together how Constance's maid fit into the plot? She did much better in our ideas! Ha. She had one line in the show! Gave me a chuckle.

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  139. Sandi31 March 2014 at 14:42

    lol yes, the poor lass would have had a much better paycheck if we'd written the finale XD

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  140. Sunny31 March 2014 at 15:08

    I would like a gap....maybe at least until the baby is born. I don't really like the idea of musketeers running around trying to protect a heavily pregnant Anne. LOL. Plus I would love to see some scenes with Louis overjoyed by his newborn son...only to see Anne have that knowing look on her face. Ha.
    I think it would give Athos some time to lighten it up a bit too. I want to see some happier times for him and it's not realistic for a change to happen overnight. But he needs to stay somewhat brooding....if not for Milady then at least for the hat!
    I also think it would help d'Artagnan's plot as he would be more solidified as a leading musketeer. Give him some more maturity....and yes, the beard.
    Would also help Constance's situation too. Anything that is going to take place there needs a bit more time rather than an overnight quick fix. Plus Anne will need a new seamstress to help her fit into some new clothes after losing all that baby weight!

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  141. Sandi31 March 2014 at 15:16

    Agreed, pregnant Anne episodes would soon become boring I think, and like you say, scenes where Louis can play with his son would be far more entertaining, he's a big kid himself after all, lol.
    Yes, a more mature D'Artagnan would be great too, he's already demonstrated huge growth this season so I'd like to see that continue :)

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  142. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 15:25

    Yeah, I fall into the 'D'artagnan is my favourite of the Musketeers' category, rather than the D'artagnan / Constance shipper category, although I want them to get together of course and sooner rather than later.

    I also fall into the 'Ryan Gage is brilliant as King Loiux' category. :)

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  143. Sandi31 March 2014 at 15:31

    Gage has a lot of fans, he's won many over to his side during the season with his brilliant portrayal and sense of timing. He's a real gem isn't he :)

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  144. achan826931 March 2014 at 15:35

    I'd love to see Ninon come back and become Athos steady love interest. Someone has to fill Mme de Chevreuse shoes. She's the only other woman mentionned in Athos life in the books and I'd prefer him having a steady relationship than a one night stand. Plus Raoul needs a better mom than Mme de Chevreuse. Ninon would be great.

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  145. achan826931 March 2014 at 15:37

    You're right, Athos has moved on now. He's able to throw the locket now and put her behind him. And again +1 on Milady, I think she'll always love him and her revenge will be even more terrible if he's happy with someone else...

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  146. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 15:38

    Since the BBC website states that "D'artagnan will become a legend within his own lifetime' I'm assuming it means the producers will be pushing him forward more during series 2, that they have a clear path for him to follow on his journey to becoming the greatest Musketeer of all.

    If anything, this aspect of his development is even more crucial than his relationship with Constance, although I want them to be happy together of course and for D'artagnan to maybe have descendants of his own.

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  147. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 16:00

    Actually, speaking of D'artagnan's future and Aramis & Anne's son, I wonder if twenty years down the line, it will be D'artagnan's sole duty to protect the future King of France? At some point, the other three will have to retire from active duty and if the show ever does a '20 years later' episode, it could be D'artagnan and HIS men protecting the future King, with D also knowing that he's protecting Aramis's son..
    It's an idea....

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  148. LuckyNumberSLVN31 March 2014 at 16:08

    Recasting would be unfortunate, but I'd rather have them recast the cardinal than letting some plots down completely. The idea of mutual blackmailing between the Queen and the Cardinal pleases me, but I don't know what they planned to do next. I think that they would have had the time to rewrite the last episode before it was filmed (they have learnt about Capaldi's departure before, right ?) so if they just make the Cardinal disapear, it would feel like a "non-end". They would have had Queen Anne punish him, and above all they wouldn't have bothered to established a sort of cliff-hanger with Richelieu suspecting Aramis being the father of Anne's child.


    And by the way, something else entirely, I think that she will lose the child. That's awful. That's why I didn't want to believe in the pregnancy before seing the Finale. I don't want that, again. It is too sad for the characters.


    And I'm getting too involved lol too sensitive on the matter I guess..

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  149. Sunny31 March 2014 at 16:08

    Great idea! I could see that in the future as a possible plot to end the show?

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  150. Sunny31 March 2014 at 16:09

    Agreed...as without it we don't have much of a show do we? Haha.

    I also forgot to mention that a gap benefits the Milady plot too. While I doubt we will see much of her in series 2 (maybe a finale cliffhanger!), time needs to pass for her to rally and return from Spain or London or wherever she went off to.

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  151. LuckyNumberSLVN31 March 2014 at 16:34

    "it's clear he twigged, and just the thought of where that could have gone in series 2 made me excited. It would have made this pregnancy plot all worthwhile (although Athos' look to Aramis almost did that too!), because I was hoping they didn't go there really!"


    Exactly !

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  152. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 17:43

    As a long standing Alan Partridge fan I'd be delighted if Felicity Montagu was joining the team. She'd make for a great Nanny for Aramis Jnr. She'd also make a great Mum for Constance. I really like the idea of us getting to see some of her family next year. We know she has three tough brothers. They can't possibly like Bonacieux. I suspect they'd have a lot more time for D'Artagnan. Maybe if Constance had a sympathetic Mum who saw her daughters plight and recognised her son in law's cruelty, she might motivate her daughter to finally seek her happiness.

    My guess is that next year will be substantially about palace intrigue and the secret paternity of the heir. Somehow Constance will end up as a seamstress to Queen Anne and her pompous twit of a husband will be initially ecstatic, until he discovers that Musketeers tend to hang out at the Palace and one in particular may be a frequent visitor. Lots of scope for longing looks in corridors and potentially secret assignations. If Constance and the Queen do come into each other's sphere and become confidants, Constance may learn the truth about the baby. Will she share that secret with D'Artagnan? Who might be determined to discover the truth? Could her husband become involved and in doing so betray his wife?

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  153. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 18:02

    That's one of my concerns for her character. In the later part of this series she's become "Poor Constance". I miss fiery, strong, fun Constance. Her relationship with D'Artagnan opened up her world and her heart. At this point her world has closed in on her once again and she's like a little bird in a cage. I hate the thought of this being her inevitable fate, to escape briefly only to be captured. To glimpse the possibilities of a life she'll never actually know. I really hope that this re-imagined Constance finds the courage to grasp her life with both hands and to live it to the max while she can. She deserves to be more than a pitiful, heartbroken creature. She's strong and she's brave. She shouldn't be condemned to a miserable, pathetic existence. That's not the Constance I want to see in series two.

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  154. Sunny31 March 2014 at 18:09

    For Juliet =)

    https://twitter.com/PopeJessica/status/450550859395760128/photo/1

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  155. Sunny31 March 2014 at 18:13

    Even though I agree with you, I appreciate seeing her transformation. If she was always only feisty and strong she would be on the verge of boring. They presented her so fiery so to see her vulnerable and soft was such a surprise and a delight to me. Loved the character development. It was like Tamla said in her video interview: soft on the inside! Haha. The fact that she has both sides to her makes her all the more a favorite for me.


    But yes, her part is a huge concern for me, which is why I would love to see her become more independent with other outlets. But I trust them. They've done a good job so far.

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  156. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 18:24

    It definitely will be there and I think the issue of the child's paternity will be a huge one next year. Athos knows the truth, or at least the very real possibility if not probability. Aramis was pretty much told he was going to be a Daddy and the hints were heavier than a half tonne lorry that the safety of this enfant is going to be a major issue and an explosive secret. Throw in Milady possibly heading for Anne's native Spain, the speculative possibility of Constance joining the Queen's staff and becoming a confidant, the worm like potential of Bonacieux, the inevitable rekindling of the emotional forest fire that is Constance and D'Artagnan and you've got another heady mix that could easily fill ten episodes. A neat little solution to the Bonacieux problem might be for him to discover the truth about the baby and thinking it will destroy the Musketeers, he approaches the authorities. Instead he is branded a traitor and on the verge of hanging. The coward then tries to pin it on Constance, thus ending their relationship once and for all. The Musketeers might save his sorry behind from the gallows but it's in exchange for his exile. Bye bye Bonacieux.

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  157. swanpride31 March 2014 at 19:32

    It's notable that I nearly forget the season final...in fact, I forget for nearly a whole day. And catching up with it, I'm still not as invested in the show as I should be. As soon as Mylady turns up, I just blank out. She isn't threatening (even though she is supposed to be), she isn't interesting (with a story like her she should, but I really couldn't care less who did what to whom), and her intrigues are not very convincing. I really don't see why anyone should fall for her lies, especially anyone of the Musketeers...so nothing what happened this episode surprised me.
    I also have a dislike towards shows which are build around a particular pairing...I would have been okay with a slowly developing romance for Constance, but this yes, no, yes, not game is something I hate with a passion.
    I'm not sure if I turn in for the next season. Which is too bad. There is so much potential in the show, but each time I think they are getting somewhere, they are just wasting it again.

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  158. Tigercheetah31 March 2014 at 19:48

    I agree that it was nice seeing a more vulnerable side to Constance, it made her love for D'artagnan more real because love does make you emotionally vulnerable and do stupid things.

    However, I hope to see firey Constance back again in series 2.

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  159. GM31 March 2014 at 20:54

    I think the show would have benefited from - and should have stayed with - the hooks that were presented in the first episode, and that they then should have continued the storytelling as more of an arc, with fewer arc independent episodes. If they'd done that, I think it would have been much better on the whole. Plus, the cardinal was just underused for most of the season and they could have handled Milady and her role better, or brought more of her story in sooner.


    Next season, I'll keep watching for the brotherhood, and to see what they do. And, I guess, to see if they've worked out some of their freshman kinks. I will not be watching for D'Artagnan/Constance and will hope the show doesn't end up catering to just that portion of the audience - which I don't feel is anywhere near as overwhelming as it's been purported to be. That particular relationship is a far cry from why I watch the show, and even in the book D'Artagnan/Constance was not the fulcrum that the overall story spun on.


    If The Musketeers becomes the D'Artagnan/Constance show, I'm out. If D'Artagnan or Constance tilts towards the Mary Sue character pathway (which they skirt dangerously already with both of them) I'm also out.


    And since I get that they'll keep that romance around in one form or another, I really want them to both grow up, let Constance become her own person, and then maybe revisit the romance, in a slower/better fashion. They just haven't worked for me as a couple. Everything with them felt rushed, and sometimes awkward.


    There are things about the series I've really loved (really loved) but I'm speaking up because there is a range of opinion out there and not everyone is on board with the heavy romance angle.

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  160. Sunny31 March 2014 at 20:55

    The thing that has always puzzled me about "ships" is that sometimes it creates a lack of interest in shows or stories as a whole. Or sometimes the fans just get rabid! I have been completely turned off/away from couples that I have enjoyed in other shows due to this.

    I agree with you about this series. It has so much to offer. I was hooked before it began, honestly, due to my love of the book growing up. But over the series several things have stuck with me that I didn't favor immediately - like Milady! While I was initially not thrilled with her, I can't imagine the series without her now. It was such a joy to watch it get better and surprise me over the last ten weeks. Had the best time!

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  161. GM31 March 2014 at 20:57

    I did really like that fight sequence and Athos and Aramis throwing their knives at the same time. Classic.

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  162. GM31 March 2014 at 20:58

    Especially when you consider - that's a pretty dang complicated weapon to load. Not like cop-actors in current-day series who just have to snap the clip in.

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  163. GM31 March 2014 at 21:04

    Yeah, I'm on twitter too and I follow fans of the show, I follow the bbc feed and responses, I watch the tags, etc. etc. People watch for a whole lot of reasons (Aramis seeming to be the most prevalent, though I see a lot for Tom Burke and Peter Capaldi of course). The overall Constance/d'Artagnan tweets, though there, seem to be a low percentage of the whole.

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  164. GM31 March 2014 at 21:14

    I'd like them to have the guts to do it if it needs to be done. The last thing I want is for Constance to stick around solely as d'Artagnan's unattainable love interest, especially if they continue their story as they've started it. (It's had a bit of a one-note disney-princess story feel so far, with her husband in the role of the wicked step-mother who won't let her go to the ball).


    If they continue that way, she's going to outlive her purpose very soon. I hope they don't kill her, but that if they don't they instead truly give her a direction to go that is independent from the d'Artagnan love story. Then her character will have her own growth and purpose and not just be the girl d'Artagnan pines for. And also, would feel more realistic. If they'd tried to give d'Artagnan and Constance a happy ending this season it would have been very unrealistic or satisfying. It's been too rushed.

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  165. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:16

    I've given up on shows in the past due to the ships, esp when the will they/won't they stuff gets strung out and my eyes just can't take any more rolling or they'd fall out of my head entirely, lol. It's a shame when it happens to shows/characters you enjoy :s

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  166. GM31 March 2014 at 21:16

    He sure does a lot with a sideways glance.

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  167. GM31 March 2014 at 21:17

    I was a tiny bit underwhelmed as well. But did like some things about it.

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  168. GM31 March 2014 at 21:19

    I'm kind of hoping they don't use a ton from the later books. I fully expect them to draw some elements, but the later books just didn't have the heart and spirit the first one did, imo.

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  169. AFCWomble4231 March 2014 at 21:24

    Hello everyone. I only discovered this site last week, which is such a shame as I think I would have enjoyed discussing the series with you all. Personally, I loved it, but I was probably an easy sell as I have always loved The Three Musketeers since the Banana Splits cartoons of my youth (if you're under 40, you probably don't know what I am talking about). I know it is not everyone's cup of tea, but Anne / Aramis is my favourite part, I think precisely because they can never have an ongoing affair in the conventional sense. Santiago and Alexandra both do silent emotional longing brilliantly and their story (particularly with the pregnancy) has numerous dramatic possibilities. My guess for the season 2 start would be 6 months or so on, with Anne going into labour and perhaps her life hanging in the balance.
    A question for anyone who know's something about television (I merely watch) - Is it possible that they filmed two possible end scenes for D'Artagnan and Constance: the one we got with husband threatening to kill himself if a season 2 was commissioned and an alternative happier ending for them, if it wasn't ? It just seems to me that if this was it, all the other characters were "dealt with" so to speak: Milday lives, but leaves, Athos manages to emotionally close that episode as shown by him throwing the necklace away, Porthos has his band of brothers, the Cardinal gets his just desserts to a degree, the Queen will produce an heir and Aramis swears never ending loyalty. The D'Artagnan and Constance issue, however, is sort of left hanging. I am very glad there is to be a season 2 (and I hope many more), but what an awful ending that would have been, if there wasn't one.

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  170. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:24

    It might be a brave and interesting to see if they went down the route of keeping them separate, but then again traditionally roles/people in the spotlight do tend to do better if they have that veneer of availability about them that, so that the audience can 'see' themselves with them. So maybe not such a brave thing but a sensible marketing way to go?

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  171. GM31 March 2014 at 21:25

    I think where the Constance/D'Artagnan pairing risks becoming the collective wish fulfillment of the fan-base is the desire for Constance and d'Artagnan to live happily every after and really get together (which never happened in the book). I completely agree that the couple needs to be handled well, but to redirect the plot line towards this positive happy ending for the sake of the shippers, may not be the way to go.

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  172. GM31 March 2014 at 21:27

    Yep. Me too.

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  173. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:27

    Yeah, this has been my experience too, people love both Constance and D'Artagnan but generally as separate people with their own strengths and stories. It's surprised me a bit really, I thought there would be more, not sure if it's down to just how strong Constance is by herself, or due to the female fan base being more drawn to the men themselves than the romance, or maybe (like myself) a mixture of the two.

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  174. GM31 March 2014 at 21:28

    He is one of my absolute favorites and a key reason I want to stick around to see what he does next. Tom Burke, Santiago Cabrera, and Howard Charles collectively keep me around for similar reasons.

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  175. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:29

    Aww, the lil cutie ^__^

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  176. GM31 March 2014 at 21:32

    It's definitely easy to get turned off on ships with overly rabid fans.

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  177. GM31 March 2014 at 21:35

    That's true, but it should also realistically stay messy. Though her husband is manipulative, I felt Constance's decision was a sign of maturity instead of just giving in to this fantasy of blind passion. Now they need to grow her character so that she's not dependent on either guy, then have her rebuild with D'Artagnan.

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  178. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:35

    Hi there Womble (Ok to call you that?), welcome to the site! I'm the right side of 40 to know exactly where you're coming from with the Banana Splits ;) lol.


    It had crossed my mind that they may have filmed two scenes for D'Artagnan and Constance, same with the pregnancy/Anne & Aramis/Cardinal overhearing scenes. Neither are very strong lead ins to season 2, but both are just as equally a bit of a loose end to leave season 1 on if there was no recommission, so I think you could be on to something there.

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  179. GM31 March 2014 at 21:37

    I think there is a balance between will they/won't they and just throwing them together because the fans want it. I don't want will they/won't they to be dragged out, but nor do I want a couple unrealistically thrown together with the stamp of happy ending when they just aren't there yet.

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  180. GM31 March 2014 at 21:40

    I don't know if the child has to be just kept in the background. Aramis will logically have to keep his distance regardless. For the safety of all of them. The secret will be huge, but he'll still be a musketeer.

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  181. GM31 March 2014 at 21:44

    I wonder if they'll end up having Milady head to another country and align with the Duke of Buckingham and build a plot that way. I do want the cardinal to come back though. For a few episodes at least.

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  182. AFCWomble4231 March 2014 at 21:53

    Hi Sandi. Yep, Womble is fine. I'll enjoy following fellow fans thoughts during season 2 filming.

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  183. Sandi31 March 2014 at 21:59

    Good to have you on board :) I'll be setting up a post in the next few weeks once we start getting any information start to come in which I will update with new bits and pieces as we go along. If anyone sees or hears anything out there on the web, or gets hold of any magazine shots, etc, if they can send them to the site, or to me on twitter or to my mail (sandi@spoilertv.com) then we can update that post as we go. Then we can chatter to our hearts content about the goings on with filming over in Prague and what we think could be happening in Season 2 :)

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  184. Sunny31 March 2014 at 22:02

    If I find a pic of Aramis dreaming of his hat, I will post here for YOU!

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  185. Sandi31 March 2014 at 22:02

    Yay! He'd be dreaming of me in his hat, naturally ;)

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  186. GM31 March 2014 at 22:06

    Yep, I think Luke has fans from Skins, and Constance can be a pretty cool character apart from the love story. There's enough there to give them independent fans who aren't shippers.

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  187. Kara31 March 2014 at 22:40

    I know the boys are over there now- any ideas when the rest of the cast will be heading over?

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  188. Kara31 March 2014 at 22:43

    Constance has 3 brothers? Was that said on the show and I missed it? Or are they in the books? I would love to see some of her family- much as I love her interactions with the Musketeers, i'd like to see her developed away from them too.

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  189. Sandi31 March 2014 at 22:47

    I'd guess in the next week or so, I think filming starts in the next week or two.

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  190. Kara31 March 2014 at 22:49

    It was- a look full of promise of things we'll probably never see! Well, from Capaldi anyway! I've been trying to think who I wouldn't mind seeing if the role was recast- the list is short so far, in that it has no-one on it!

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  191. Kara31 March 2014 at 23:00

    I'm hoping they continue to interact/post a lot on Twitter/instagram- it always proves a good source of info, and it's just good seeing what thet are up to! Their interactions on there prove they all have good fun working on the show, and have formed good friendships. What did we ever do before it came along?!

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  192. Kara31 March 2014 at 23:03

    Another thing I remembered from the episode- I loved the King speaking out against the Cardinal. Another plot that was simmering along nicely- shame we may not get to see the outcome.

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  193. deeannjay31 March 2014 at 23:14

    Maybe he has even filmed some scenes already for series 2, at the end of the series 1 filming, when they knew he would be leaving, and they were already hopeful of getting a second series?

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  194. deeannjay31 March 2014 at 23:16

    Well, Athos did tell her something along the lines of "Take yourself off to Spain, England, anywhere!) didn't he?

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  195. deeannjay31 March 2014 at 23:27

    A post-series interview would be great.

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  196. Sunny31 March 2014 at 23:39

    Or....you in Athos' hat??? Quite a conundrum. I'm sure you'd be fetching in both! Haha.

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  197. Sandi31 March 2014 at 23:45

    Or Athos in his hat while Aramis pla....no, no, we must stop lowering the tone of these threads :\ lol

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  198. Sandi31 March 2014 at 23:48

    This is very true, it was certainly much harder to interact. I remember writing off to actors as a kid and having to wait patiently for a mailed reply months later, if at all, just to get a signed photo. It's a very different world these days for sure!

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  199. Scoobie31 March 2014 at 23:52

    Yep, apparently so. She mentions it to D'Artagnan in the first episode when she tells him she can see in his eyes that he wants to fight Athos, as she has three older brothers and she knows that look in a man's eye.

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  200. Kara31 March 2014 at 23:59

    Ah- something to pick up on my rewatch :D Which I'll be starting once I've brought the DVD tomorrow... Let's hope that wasn't a throw away comment, and they do turn up at some point.

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