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POLL : What did you think of Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - T.A.H.I.T.I.?

Mar 5, 2014

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55 comments:

  1. Donna CMarch 5, 2014 at 3:27 AM

    I heard they introduced the Kree on this show. Just might watch it now.

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  2. cltaylorMarch 5, 2014 at 3:44 AM

    So, are they going to tell us what Project T.A.H.I.T.I. is or was.... was it a continuation of the "Super Soldier" Projects? Who's the guy in the tube? Is he actually dead? Why only two guys protecting the place? Did Centipede put one of those eye ball things in Coulson when he was captive just to see stuff but not communicate with him? What's to keep Centipede from digging up whatever is under the rubble at that location? Even if they didn't know the location an explosion/demolition of that magnitude would not go unnoticed (by Centipede), would it? Why was Fury not available? Is Skye going to have improved reflexes and stuff (aka Mini-Capt. skills)? Or is the guy who worked on Smallville (Lost and Heroes) going to give her even better hacker skills the way he did Chloe during the Smallville Series and turn her into a pseudo "Oracle"? And why are we doing a Thor cross over late after the theatrical release? Why would Sif have to come down to stop her when in theory, Thor is on planet (with Jane foster)? Are they trying to sell Thor DVDs? If so, DON'T watch the Capt. America Winter Soldier featurette on the Thor Dark World DVD because it has a major spoiler in. Since Winter Soldier is coming out, shouldn't they have tied this in better with Captain America other than simply blue color GH### bottles? And was the green lighting on the bottles supposed to make us worry that some of that is actually Bruce Banner blood samples from the 2008 film (potentially bad for Skye)? Remember the professor who replicated Banner's blood and had tons of different versions? If Skye got what Coulson got should we really assume that its the formula closets to Urskin's original -- either way she had not gamma rays so perhaps she just got the healing part and not the super soldier part. Since Loreli was used by Loki to overpower Thor (go look her up in wiki) shouldn't Thor be there to stop her instead of Sif? Will he be there to back Sif up?

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  3. DetectivexoMarch 5, 2014 at 3:54 AM

    Liked it a lot, Garret is a good character

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  4. magnutudeMarch 5, 2014 at 4:04 AM

    really enjoyed the ep and got some answers (sort of), but opened some more: who/what was that in the tank? really liked Bill Paxton's agent Garrett, but the whole agent Triplett hitting on Simmons felt a bit random but figures to set up something down the line, like (ugh) a romantic triangle with Fitz... I hope not.... nice set up for the Lorelai vs Sif plot at the end....

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  5. lorepottterMarch 5, 2014 at 4:09 AM

    We are over so many theories right now, but did you noticed in the chest the mark that i thing is a swastika? or is my brain working mad?

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  6. Patrick MaloneyMarch 5, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    Knew it! Knew it! I knew it from the beginning that Git Hoskins, otherwise known as the Living Mummy had something to do with Coulson's resurrection... Seriously though this episode was great and mind blowing how much better the things they come up with are compared to the theories the fans have had.

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  7. StephMarch 5, 2014 at 5:15 AM

    This episode was fantastic! Was that a Kree in the tube? Maybe this is how they'll tie in GotG to AoS... Skye being revealed as Kree!

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  8. LeonMarch 5, 2014 at 6:24 AM

    "GotG to AoS"

    translation please?

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  9. desiqtieMarch 5, 2014 at 6:24 AM

    Soooo...is Skye part Kree, hidden on Earth and that's why she was able to assimilate the blood without the harmful effects Coulson experienced? Wasn't there a similar sort of storyline for one of the young Avengers (don't quote me - I don't remember this that well)? I'm pretty sure there was something about one of them secretly being part Kree or Skrull or something. That would definitely be an interesting adaptation - and an excellent tie-in with GotG. Also, Kree vs. Skrull and all that would be difficult to pull off in a movie - but a TV show is pretty much the perfect vehicle for the entire storyline AND they could show it from the SHIELD angle instead of the usual Avengers' viewpoint.

    Also, this episode was really great. Really liked Garret - just the right balance of maybe he's good, maybe he's shady. Triplett's interaction with Simmons was sort-of strange. I wonder if it's supposed to be foreshadowing something? I did find Ward sort of bland & boring. May was great - always love her. Fitz though, wow. Really loved Iain De Caestecker throughout the entire episode. Coulson actually creeped me out near the end! When he had that weiiiiird look on his face, while he lied to May. His interaction with Garret was also pretty strange. I'm guessing we're going to be seeing some blood transfusion side-effects at some point.

    Next week though. Lorelai looks fascinating. AND SIF!! I love Sif. So more her is just...Brilliant.

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  10. desiqtieMarch 5, 2014 at 6:25 AM

    Guardians of the Galaxy (Marvel movie next after Captain America the Winter Solider - CATWS) to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

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  11. LouMarch 5, 2014 at 8:14 AM

    Lots of questions but to answer a few.

    The Sif crossover is probably to sell DVDs and also give fans a movie character, don't expect Thor to show up its just not very likely any of the big 4 (Hulk, Cap, Thor or IM) will turn up in the show.

    The Captain America crossover/tie in will be happening but when the movie is actually out in the US which isn't until 4th April, so expect the fall out from that to impact on AOS. Nick Fury not being available is probably all linked into that.

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  12. LouMarch 5, 2014 at 8:16 AM

    I don't think it will be a love triangle with Simmons, Triplett and Fitz because I still don't think FitzSimmons are romantically in love with each other. Maybe in a few seasons time but for now they are friends, Fitz seems more interested in Skye.

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  13. LouMarch 5, 2014 at 8:20 AM

    Garret reminded me a lot of John Casey (Chuck) in his mannerisms and voice, maybe its because I've been rewatching a lot of Chuck lately. Anyway I liked him and Triplet, look forward to them reoccurring.



    As for who or what Coulson saw well well well if Fury is the one who knows about this place what has the Director been up to? Its all about nightmarish and freaky. I'm glad Skye is ok but the question is why? Just what are her powers....

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  14. BaffMarch 5, 2014 at 9:11 AM

    That was an absolutely awful episode.


    Am I the only one appalled by them murdering two innocent S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to save Skye?? They didn't even have any remorse about it.

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  15. Babar SuhailMarch 5, 2014 at 3:55 PM

    That's was a good episode but there was some pointless stuff like the fight b/w Tripp and Ward, totally unneeded. I was expecting more from this episode TBH.

    Can anyone explain to me what that Alien thing in the tube was, I don't really following the Marvel Universe so I have no idea.

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  16. BaffMarch 5, 2014 at 6:57 PM

    I'm not up on Marvel either, but from comments I have read elsewhere, most fans think them to be the Kree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kree) There will be a couple Kree in the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy movie.


    As for the fight between Trip and Ward, I am thinking that was a ruse so that Trip could make contact with him and drug him or use some kind of tech on him. I think Garrett did the same to Coulson off screen while that was happening. They are actually double agents working for The Clairvoyant. Whatever they did to them allowed them to be controlled. Coulson and his team got manipulated into taking the base by lethal force, rather than whatever non-lethal means Coulson had originally intended.


    Or perhaps Quinn (the prisoner) did something similar to them. When Garrett and Triplett arrived, they got infected (or whatever) too. That would also explain why Coulson refused to turn him over with that complete nonsense about killing Quinn if Skye died.


    That is the only sense I can make out of this episode. Otherwise Coulson and his team are cold-blooded killers. Their actions in this episode made them villains. There has to be some logical explanation for that. Otherwise, this show goes into the trash heap for me.

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  17. V_sMarch 5, 2014 at 7:27 PM

    They just introduced some humanoid that looks other-worldly, but they never say what it is. Also it looks quite different from the Kree that appear in the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer, so there's a decent chance that this thing isn't a Kree.

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  18. BaffMarch 5, 2014 at 7:50 PM

    We don't know if they were part of SHIELD or not (the lack of eagles on the walls proves nothing). We do know that Coulson was resurrected there, so there is at least some connection to SHIELD, even if they aren't part of SHIELD. Coulson certainly had no reason to believe they were bad people. The only thing he knew is that people there brought him back to life on Fury behest.


    They invaded the base wearing armor and carrying lethal weapons. They then shot and killed the guards for no reason. Offering the guy medical attention after the fact was pretty worthless. We know they have non-lethal stun guns on the plane. Why didn't they use them? Coulson and his team showed no remorse after killing those men.


    The guard that lived for an extra minute showed more compassion than Coulson when he warned his murderers of the explosives (after he recognized Coulson).

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  19. V_sMarch 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    Coulson specifically said that they weren't related to SHIELD at all.

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  20. gladiusMarch 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    ridiculous that such important base was guarded by just two men and really bad security...and they killed two agents?! They were on the same side!

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  21. BaffMarch 5, 2014 at 10:34 PM

    When did he say that? I'll rewatch the scene.


    Not that it matters, whether they were with SHIELD or not, it was still murder.

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  22. V_sMarch 6, 2014 at 2:15 AM

    I'm pretty sure it was right before they entered the compound, but it may have been later.


    Of course if you're holding murder against them no matter what (assuming you draw no distinctions between killing during the line of duty and killing outside of it), then I imagine there's not many episodes this season that you haven't hated since they've killed someone in probably the majority of episodes where people have been shooting at them.

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  23. BaffMarch 6, 2014 at 5:50 AM

    I have no problem with killing, I watch far more violent shows than this one (Sons of Anarchy, True Blood, Game of Thrones, Spartacus, etc.)


    My problem is that he had no reason to believe they were "bad guys" and he didn't need to kill them. Coulson's actions were those of a villain, not a hero.

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  24. V_sMarch 6, 2014 at 6:06 AM

    They were "bad guys" in the same way most bad guys on this show are bad guys. I.e., they were trying to kill the SHIELD team, so the SHIELD team defended itself. The team's actions were just as heroic as they've always been. If that means they've been villains throughout the entirety of the season, so be it.

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  25. BaffMarch 6, 2014 at 6:09 AM

    No, they were defending their post. They did not attack the SHIELD team, the SHIELD team invaded them.

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  26. V_sMarch 6, 2014 at 6:19 AM

    So when the SHIELD team invaded Ian Quinn's villa in the last episode (or the third episode of the season), they were the bad guys in both of those episodes, not Quinn's men, because Quinn's men were just defending their post? Quinn isn't a bad guy for shooting Skye because he was defending his villa?

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  27. BaffMarch 6, 2014 at 6:22 AM

    Quinn was established as a bad guy. These were just guards in a bunker. We (and Coulson) have no idea who this place belongs to. Why did Coulson attack them?

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  28. V_sMarch 6, 2014 at 6:27 AM

    He attacked them because they were trying to kill him. That's the only reason. The team was defending themselves, as I already said.


    If it makes you feel better, just imagine that the guards were previously established as bad guys. They were doing apparently immoral and occult things involving some half dead, presumably other-worldly being, after all.

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  29. BaffMarch 6, 2014 at 6:34 AM

    No, he attacked them when he invaded their bunker. The guards defended themselves from him. The guards did not go out and attack him.

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  30. BaffMarch 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM

    Not shooting at Coulson wasn't an option for them, and Coulson knew that. Their job was obviously to guard that bunker with their lives and not let the contents fall into the wrong hands.

    Here's an analogy:

    4 men come to your front door wearing body armor with assault rifles and explosives. Their leader says they are FBI, and a couple of the guys have jackets that say FBI on them, but he can offer no other proof of who they are. He tells you that their buddy back in the car really needs to get laid and he just needs one of your children, spouse, girl/boyfriend, whatever. You live far enough out of town that the cops couldn't get there in time to save you.

    Do you open the door and give them one of your family members, hoping that they let you live? Or do you grab all your weapons and try to kill them before they get to your family?

    This is the situation those guards were in. If Coulson had taken them out with non-lethal weapons, he would only be a thief. As it stands, he is a murderer and a thief.



    You keep saying they should have put their guns down and let Coulson in, but that is completely unrealistic. These are not just random employees at a 7-11, they are guards in a secure bunker. Their entire job is to guard the place from intrusion. They had orders to ONLY let people in who can say the passcode. Coulson didn't know the passcode. If they are going to let just anyone walk right in just because they claim to have a boo-boo and just want to borrow a band-aid, then they'd be greeters, not guards. This is a secure bunker, not the local free clinic.

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  31. V_sMarch 7, 2014 at 2:49 AM

    I don't think that's a very apt analogy. You're comparing a family member that I have an important connection with to a vial of regenerating fluid that is very easy to get more of. You're also comparing sex to death. These don't match.


    And it was just as much the guards' job to shoot at Coulson when he invades the base as it was for Quinn's men to shoot as Coulson when he invaded Quinn's home back in episode 3. Your logic dictates that Coulson's team also brutally murdered Quinn's men, and therefore you must have hated that episode as well (not to mention every other episode where Coulson's team has fought/killed anyone outside of their airship).

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  32. BaffMarch 7, 2014 at 4:19 AM

    Those men were obviously ready to give their lives to keep anyone out of the bunker, so that is a very good comparison to your important connection to your family members. (actually, they proved themselves, I have no idea if you would give your life.)


    How do you know it is easy to get more? Coulson certainly knew no such thing. In fact, he didn't even know if there would be any in there before murdering those men. He killed them just on the chance there might be and then the chance that it might save Skye.


    As for Quinn's men, that is a very different situation. Quinn was a known bad guy. I have no problem with killing when needed. There was absolutely no need for Coulson to kill those 2 guards whom he knew absolutely nothing about.


    You are partially right though, I always have a problem in movies (mostly) when the good guy kills 100 henchmen to get to the big bad evil guy then he says "You are under arrest!" Seriously, you were willing to kill all those henchmen, but you want the real evil mastermind to live??

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  33. V_sMarch 7, 2014 at 4:39 AM

    We know it's easy to get more because the vial they gave Skye wasn't the same vial that they gave Coulson. We saw the extraction process. It was very clear that more could be extracted.


    There was no need to kill any of Quinn's men either. There's nothing wrong with disliking SHIELD for killing the people they go up against, but it's more than a little inconsistent to view the previous episode's situation as being significantly different from any of the situations like it from the previous episodes.

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  34. BaffMarch 7, 2014 at 4:46 AM

    When did Coulson see the extraction process? Oh right, just after he murdered those men...

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  35. BaffMarch 7, 2014 at 4:55 AM

    As for other killings on the show it is a matter of degrees. It isn't always feasible to use non-lethal methods. I haven't been perfectly happy with every death on the show, but this episode far crossed over the line for me. Though I will be ok as long as there is either an explanation (drugs, etc) or serious repercussions (Coulson being demoted, at least).

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  36. Pérola Cardozo AlvesMarch 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM

    I thought it was something like the guy from Watchmen, Dr. Manhattan, I think, but I might be get comics confused.

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  37. lilyMarch 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

    Finally got to watch the episode, had no time.
    What was so mouth dropping about Coulson finding half of the alien? He knows aliens exist, he met them, loki had a whole army of them attacking new york and they looked way worse.
    What did he expect to find? a unicorn giving healing milk?
    Most medicines on our planet still comes from animals and plants, granted after some manufacturing but still how is it any different to use some rare sea reature from the bootom of the ocean or placenta but not alien dna to create life-saving method.
    Seriously i expected the truth to be horrifying and immoral like a bunch of alien babies in a tank or kittens, or humans. And seeing just an alien who looked like it died due to a crash landing was disappointing.
    Enjoyed May and everyone else beating the crap out of Quin. I had such hopes for his character but now i just hate him.
    Lorelei is awesome, i think she had british accent but i am not sure, have to re-watch again a bit later. Maybe they are prepping her up for third thor movie to play loki's LI?
    The two agents were killed because it was either them or Skye. They tried to ask them to stand down, but of course as any military would do they refused, they perfomed their duty, and the team did what they had to do to save Skye. No one's at fault here.

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  38. lilyMarch 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM

    Am i seeing things or did Tripp actually flirted with Simmons?
    The fight was there to show that Tripp was obviously jealous of the connection his current SO and his former protege share.

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  39. Babar SuhailMarch 7, 2014 at 8:25 PM

    Yeah, there was some flirtation.

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  40. V_sMarch 7, 2014 at 11:47 PM

    It did look a lot like Dr. Manhattan. But he's DC, not Marvel, so it definitely wasn't him. :P

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  41. V_sMarch 7, 2014 at 11:49 PM

    You know that Coulson himself didn't actually kill either of them, right?


    As for the extraction, what Coulson knew doesn't matter. We're talking about what the guards knew. And they probably knew about the extraction process.

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  42. V_sMarch 7, 2014 at 11:57 PM

    I wouldn't be surprised if Coulson got a demotion or some other minor reprimand. I doubt he'll be punished too severely since he did manage to thwart the Clairvoyant's plans and keep the Clairvoyant from (presumably) ever getting to the secret of resurrection though.

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  43. V_sMarch 8, 2014 at 7:15 AM

    For your analogy to make any sense, we have to talk about what the guards knew. Otherwise your analogy falls apart.


    Because of just how much and how many different things that they were extracting, it's a safer bet to say the extraction is easy than it is that the extraction is hard.


    But, yes, it definitely looks like we aren't getting anywhere with this conversation, so dead and beaten is apt.

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  44. BaffMarch 8, 2014 at 8:43 AM

    Ahh I see where you were going with that now. But actually it doesn't matter how easy it is to make the serum. They could have 10,000 gallons of the stuff, and it would still have been murder. The guards defending their post has nothing to do with the availability of the serum, it has to do with their duty (which is to make sure no unauthorized people get in).

    On another note, I have possibly a very significant error in my post above. It is not a Soviet bunker. In the blacked out report that Fitz/Simmons were reading, it was a WWII bunker that had later been upgraded by the SSR. I had assumed they meant USSR, as it is sometimes referred to as SSR. In another forum someone pointed out to me that it is actually the Strategic Scientific Reserve (they spotted an SSR emblem on a wall of the bunker), which is what created Captain America. The SSR (Nick Fury & Howard Stark) later changed their name to S.H.I.E.L.D. This would explain Fury's connection to the place and why it isn't listed as a S.H.I.E.L.D. site. Those guards may very well have worked directly for Fury. Hopefully, time will tell.

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  45. Alex ForrestMarch 13, 2014 at 6:09 PM

    I took it as: Coulson and his team came in peace, asking the guards to help save their dying friend, and the guards refused. The team broke in. The guards opened fire on them. Coulson clarified, again, that they weren't there to harm anyone, just to get help, but the guards continued firing. What were Coulson and company supposed to do? It was kill or be killed at this point. I do agree that they could've brought tranquilizer guns instead of using lethal force, given that they had no reason to believe the guards were bad people, but the guards were the ones who opened fire first. They could've at least given them a warning first ("Freeze, put your weapons down and your hands in the air or we shoot", etc), like Coulson did for them.

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  46. BaffMarch 14, 2014 at 12:23 AM

    "What were Coulson and company supposed to do?"

    Leave. They had no right to be there in the first place.

    "but the guards were the ones who opened fire first"

    Actually Ward fired first.

    "They could've at least given them a warning first"



    They did, in the form of several requests for passcode authorization, 2 locked doors and a locked elevator. Coulson's threat for them to abandon their post and betray their duty or die wasn't a warning, it was an insult.

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  47. Alex ForrestMarch 14, 2014 at 1:26 PM

    "Leave. They had no right to be there in the first place."

    Indeed. And so they bizarrely chose to be somewhere they weren't allowed to be over leaving a close friend and colleague they're with every day to die. Go figure.

    "Actually Ward fired first."

    I don't remember the scene that well so I'll take your word for it.

    "They did, in the form of several requests for passcode authorization, 2 locked doors and a locked elevator."



    In real life, law enforcement personnel doesn't get to start shooting at every person who breaks through a locked door. They have to give a clear warning for that person to freeze, put their hands in the air, drop their weapon, etc. If someone disobeys such an order, or attacks a law enforcement agent, the agent can use lethal force to defend him or herself or others. When Coulson told the guards his team had come in peace, they could've consulted their superiors, told Coulson and the others to leave their weapons outside, identify themselves and explain why they're there more in depth, etc. I don't fault them for not doing so because apparently their orders were to simply ignore anyone who doesn't give the right passcode, but that doesn't mean they had to open fire immediately upon discovering that Coulson and the others decided to go in anyway.

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  48. BaffMarch 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    What is it about 4 armed and armored men coming to your front door with fully automatic weapons in hand, shooting at your security camera, and busting through doors that doesn't seem hostile to you??? I don't understand how you can possibly think that Coulson came in peace.

    Coulson had absolutely no lawful reason for being there. He was there to steal from them, not because they had broken any laws (as far as he knew). It was Coulson's responsibility to contact his own superiors, not the guards'. The moment Coulson unlawfully broke into that bunker, it was his responsibility to make sure nobody came to harm. Coulson's team firing back was in no way self defense, it was a continuation of their extremely hostile acts. As seen in this latest episode, Coulson had access to a full arsenal of night-night weapons, but he didn't use them in the bunker, why?


    It was only pure luck (for Coulson & co.) that there only happened to be 2 guards in there. There could just as easily have been 200 along with any number of other security measures. Due to his complete recklessness, incompetence, unlawfulness, and disregard for the lives of his own team and that of the public, he should be stripped of command and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


    Yes I have had issues with their killing people in the past, but in those times, they at least had lawful reasons for being where they were and reasons to believe that Quinn (and others) were criminals. Here they had no lawful reason to enter that bunker and Coulson to this day STILL doesn't know who it belonged to. It is very possible that base belonged to Nick Fury and those men worked directly for him.


    I am not the only person who felt this way about this episode. I have seen this discussion on about a dozen other forums. I wasn't even looking for them, I just stumbled across them while looking for info on the blue alien. Of the discussions I looked at, there seemed to be roughly equal numbers of people taking part on both sides of the debate.

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  49. BaffMarch 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

    Here is another guy who came in peace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXulXcp9Nkc

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  50. CathyMarch 15, 2014 at 8:47 PM

    I have been thinking about Skye's "orgin" or reason for being na 084, but if she already were of that race, wouldn't she be "larger" (even if mixed with human) and wouldn't she have some kind of regeneration going on?
    I think she didn't react as badly because she wasn't already dead like Coulson was.

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  51. CathyMarch 15, 2014 at 8:53 PM

    The problem is that Coulson saw that they injected him with dead alien fluids. Ew. And he is no longer 100% human, who knows what the side effects are.
    I was also expecting something worse, though, like the Alien being kept alive for the extraction of his fluids. I actually expected him to look at Coulson in agony in a kind of tortured face. As if the alien himself would beg for Coulson to let him die, just as Coulson begged the doctors. Now THAT would have been shocking.

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  52. lilyMarch 17, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    Yes it's gross but still i think it was underwhelming, it's predictable just using alien Dna. And like you said it lacked emotional punch, SHIELD wasn't actually doing anything wrong using the oppotunity presented to them to utilize the superior being DNA to save their agent. It certainly doesn't explain why Fury feels the need to avoid confrontation with Coulson.
    I was more shocked to see Coulson being operated on by the scary machine and begging to die than that dead alien in a tank.
    I think Coulson is just shocked because he had to go through a lot of physical pain. i didn't understand how could he try to stop them using the serum on Skye, because she literally had seconds to live and he must have known it, so he chose to let her die. Having weird alien Dna in his system if so much better than being just dead.

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  53. V_sApril 8, 2014 at 12:53 AM

    There's not enough lines there for it to be a swastika. So it's probably just a bunch of scars from whatever removed the thing's lower half.

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  54. V_sApril 8, 2014 at 12:53 AM

    They weren't SHIELD agents. They had no relation to SHIELD. Also, they didn't want to kill them (or rather everyone except Ward's old mentor didn't want to kill them). Coulson even told the second guy that they'd get medical attention for him before he died.

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  55. klutzy_girlApril 8, 2014 at 12:55 AM

    Poor Coulson. I loved Bill Paxton and his partner! And whoa at Lorelei. Glad Skye's okay.

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