Hannibal is so damn good it's...............INSANE! As far as the ending goes who didn't see this coming weeks ago. So that's why season 2 episodes are named after "Japanese Cuisine"! 4 A DINNER INVITATION FROM DR. LECTER, I will remain Nobody!!!
Well I knew it was coming thanks to the NBC press release for episode 5 - note to self don't read anymore of those! But it was still really well done. Poor Bella and Jack, poor Beverly! I like how Will is recovering his memories and realising how Hannibal set him up.
Man that's high stakes sarcasm! Poor Beverly, she just got too much deep into Hannibal's kitchen..."gotcha!" (catch'em all!)
I really like the series in general, the photography, the delusional videoclips, scenery, acting, I guess my only problem is the freaking journalist hell of a liar, but that's like with the food, everyone has their own taste.
The promo for the next one puts almost everything for an appropriate dinner! What is the saying about Community? Well, besides plenty of movies, I wish this series could reach 5 or 6 seasons at least. Really well.done
Fellow poster.................welcome to the HANNIBAL EXPERIENCE. Do enjoy and welcome to the team! Poor Beverly in deed, we knew what was coming and this now makes two "Federal Agents" Jack Crawford has lost to the "Cannibal Doctor". I'm looking forward to next Friday! 4 A DR. LECTER COOK BOOK, I am Nobody!!!
You know that feeling you get when you go to a museum and there is this one painting that has a really grotesque or dark setting, but the technique and the colors and the emotions poured into it by the artist are so amazing and striking that you can't help but be completely fascinated by it and you just want to stare at it all day? That's how I feel everytime I watch Hannibal. Every. Damn. Time. There are no words that derscribe how much of a masterpiece this show is.
Also the way things are going is making me wonder how different from the book's story the show is going to be, like are they going to kill people who didn't die in the books, or viceversa? Not that I'm complaining, I love both storylines.
I think to really understand this episode and the season's themes, one has to know Hannibal Rising...
Fuller did a fantastic job using Katz as a parallel to Hannibal and hinting at Hannibal's own past and severed relationship with Lady Murasaki and (Inspector Popil ) with his own wresting with God, Physics, and Fear of his own death and not accepting "peace"...
I loved how the eastern philosophy and Hannibal's rejection of it shined through here with such fantastic contrasts from Jack and his wife, to Abigail appearing in Will's dreamscape, to the Bee-Peace-Killer, to Hannibal being confronted with the one and only Asian character in the series, who's just like him in certain respects.
Even last season I suspected that this could go this way because of the "Cat-Gut-Strings", knowing all to well that Hannibal listened to Lady Murasaki teach Chiyoh how to play the Japanese flute and making a connection to Katz playing the violin...
I'm most curious though if we've actually seen the end of Katz given a major spoiler pertaining to another character...
Brian Fuller and gang have done such a great job at picking out all of these elements from the books and films to build something miraculous in this unexplored time period. It's the way I have always wanted to see Hannibal on film...
Your painting comparison is exactly right. That's what Hannibal is.
As for the book, I don't think Fuller is particularly concerned with following that storyline. He's kinda doing his own thing (and what a masterful thing that is, god).
I wonder how Hannibal will build up Beverly's death. Will he blame another serial killer for it? Will he make her body disappear? Not sure. Either way, good call shooting the ceiling! That was one smart clue to leave Jack and the gang.
On other news, Bella's slap was so damn gratifying! I think he's betrayal to her was one of the most horrific things he's done so far. Funny enough, he did it by denying Bella what he forces upon his victims, death.
This episode was fantastic and draining at the same time- seeing the extent of what Hannibal did to Will, seeing Will manipulate Chilton to help him retrieve his memories and boy Beverly should have listened to Will, RIP Bev. The whole Bella portion of the episode just really hit hard, both Gina and Laurence hit it out of the park and to see Hannibal so nonchalant toss a coin to decide if he should save her or let her die peacefully, really showed who he was without any dialogue. Anything Beverly would have found would have been inadmissible, so I feel like this was mostly to convince HER of the truth, and because it was illegal, she couldn't exactly tell anyone where she was going. I love Beverly and I'm sad to see her go, she was a great character and I loved her relationship with Will.
For instance in "Hannibal" Hannibal is an avid fan of Stephen Hawking. He constantly smashes the tea cup to make sure time can not go in reveres, because then Hannibal will reject his love/placement for Starling, because then he can get his sister back.
Will Graham's ability is seeing the crime seen in "reverse". So Fuller is using this time period as a grand stepping stone from Will to Starling...and Hannibal's love for derives from this fear and fascination of "time moving backwards".
He's used a character mentioned in passing in Red Dragon Abigail Hobbs as huge wink back to his sister and a wink forward to Starling. (Georgia M. and Marion G. also wink to Starling through lack of taste and duty/job + there was character named "Lamb" as well) Hannibal comments that Will is a "fragile little tea cup" and Abigail drops one of Hannibal's tea cups when he drugs her.
This episode winks to Hannibal's origin story Hannibal Rising and time spent in France with his aunt Lady Murasaki and how he wrestles with what she tried to teach him (Eastern Philosophy), and as Katz becomes a direct parallel to him! (plus Cat-Gut strings last season).
Lady Murasaki is also a wink to the first female Japanese writer and Fuller expounds on this notion with the character Bedelia Du Maurier (Daphne Du Maurier = female writer + physiological thriller).
Plus the episode with the guy who could see sinners and was 'making angels' out of them from last season is a wink to both Buffalo Bill and The Tooth Fairy at the same time. (Note: Hannibal is like John Million's Devil in Paradise Lost. William Blake, the artist behind Tooth Fairy's 'red dragon', was always made for Milton by making the Devil so "human"...)
Book readers are often upset with "Hannibal" (horror romance) and "Hannibal Rising" (atmospheric - revenge - historic - war - origin story -which has be changed here a bit) because Thomas Harris is making a point that Hannibal isn't just a crime thriller, but an anthropomorphic tale...Fuller is just doing that from the start.
Fuller has also stated he is trying to do the whole story. So even though there are some differences he is being cannon to very particular things and/or using the cannon to flesh out the original story...
You're probably right. But all I meant was I think Fuller is more interested in the general story, the big themes in Red Dragon, not in every last detail. It doesn't mean he cannot resort to details and be faithful to them (because he often does), but I guess that, if he faces a crossroad in which he has to change something in the original story in order to make it work for the show, he will.
Well we're not even in Red Dragon territory just yet, but I'm saying it's not just Red Dragon he has been inferring too, because he has stated he has a 7 yr plan for fleshing out the entire Harris works, which is why it's even more masterful than perhaps some viewers realize (because there are SO MANY allusions and details he has used already that relate to rest of the story as we know it from novel and film). I think he's actually VERY interested in the details, as this season we are going to be meeting at least one "Hannibal Rising" character and two characters from "Hannibal"...
Obviously he has made some changes (and will have to continue to, because he has shifted the original time period), but they tend to be changes that still go with themes and ideas presented in ALL of the novels and films and not something completely different and not just exclusively to Red Dragon. He's been creative and adaptive and very expansive, but also very conscious and respectful of the material, otherwise he wouldn't have spent so much time using/referencing it with this new unexplored Era.
And looking back at an interview, I'm wrong season 4 is suppose to be Red Dragon era:
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"FULLER: I can see pretty clearly seven seasons. I think that there are always shifts and alterations and course corrections that you have to take, because you’ll be cruising along and then you’ll hit an idea and go, “Oh, wow, that’s a great idea, we have to do that now.” That being said, I can see the structure for a seven-season arc for the show, but then I also am very open to course corrections along the way to adapt to changes.
AX: If you don’t get to run for seven seasons, are you going to make available to the public in some form what the unaired seasons would have been?
FULLER: Well, when you get into Season Four, you get into the literature. And so Season Four would be RED DRAGON, Season Five would be the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS era, Season Six would be the HANNIBAL era, and then Season Seven would be a resolve to the ending of that book. HANNIBAL ends on a cliffhanger. Hannibal Lecter has bonded with Clarice Starling and brainwashed her and they are now quasi-lovers and off as fugitives, and so that’s a cliffhanger. It might be interesting to resolve that in some way and to bring Will Graham back into the picture. So once we get two more seasons, say, of the television show, those are the aren’t-novelized stories, and then we would get into expansions of the novels after that and kind of using the novels as a backbone for season arcs that would then be kind of enhanced."
Ya, I think that's about right! I too wish the ratings would be better. Mads Mikkelsen is just the perfect Hannibal IMO and the show has a really great artistic feel/look. I think I read that if NBC drops it, it would try netflix. I would love to see his version through 7 seasons! :)
The episode, was awesome, but Beverly dying that was unnecessary. And i think NBC will get a lot of backlash because of her death. She is probably my favorite character.
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One word defines this episode: Masterpiece!
ReplyDeleteOne because Hannibal's work on Will was a masterpiece in itself.
Two, Beverley, Why would you go there ALONE?!?!
It's above Awesome.
Two words describe this show: Absolutely Epic.
ReplyDeleteanother disturbingly awesome ep... looks like Hannibal is going to be whipping up an asian entree... poor Beverly
ReplyDeleteHannibal is so damn good it's...............INSANE! As far as the ending goes who didn't see this coming weeks ago. So that's why season 2 episodes are named after "Japanese Cuisine"! 4 A DINNER INVITATION FROM DR. LECTER, I will remain Nobody!!!
ReplyDeleteWell I knew it was coming thanks to the NBC press release for episode 5 - note to self don't read anymore of those! But it was still really well done. Poor Bella and Jack, poor Beverly! I like how Will is recovering his memories and realising how Hannibal set him up.
ReplyDeleteMan that's high stakes sarcasm! Poor Beverly, she just got too much deep into Hannibal's kitchen..."gotcha!" (catch'em all!)
ReplyDeleteI really like the series in general, the photography, the delusional videoclips, scenery, acting, I guess my only problem is the freaking journalist hell of a liar, but that's like with the food, everyone has their own taste.
The promo for the next one puts almost everything for an appropriate dinner! What is the saying about Community? Well, besides plenty of movies, I wish this series could reach 5 or 6 seasons at least. Really well.done
Fellow poster.................welcome to the HANNIBAL EXPERIENCE. Do enjoy and welcome to the team! Poor Beverly in deed, we knew what was coming and this now makes two "Federal Agents" Jack Crawford has lost to the "Cannibal Doctor". I'm looking forward to next Friday! 4 A DR. LECTER COOK BOOK, I am Nobody!!!
ReplyDeleteHOW DARE THEY KILL BEVERLY OFF!!
ReplyDeleteBeverly...Just...Son of a bitch Q_Q
ReplyDeleteHoly shit!
ReplyDeleteYou know that feeling you get when you go to a museum and there is this one painting that has a really grotesque or dark setting, but the technique and the colors and the emotions poured into it by the artist are so amazing and striking that you can't help but be completely fascinated by it and you just want to stare at it all day? That's how I feel everytime I watch Hannibal. Every. Damn. Time. There are no words that derscribe how much of a masterpiece this show is.
ReplyDeleteAlso the way things are going is making me wonder how different from the book's story the show is going to be, like are they going to kill people who didn't die in the books, or viceversa? Not that I'm complaining, I love both storylines.
Special kudos to the music and Mads' stare.
I think to really understand this episode and the season's themes, one has to know Hannibal Rising...
ReplyDeleteFuller did a fantastic job using Katz as a parallel to Hannibal and hinting at Hannibal's own past and severed relationship with Lady Murasaki and (Inspector Popil ) with his own wresting with God, Physics, and Fear of his own death and not accepting "peace"...
I loved how the eastern philosophy and Hannibal's rejection of it shined through here with such fantastic contrasts from Jack and his wife, to Abigail appearing in Will's dreamscape, to the Bee-Peace-Killer, to Hannibal being confronted with the one and only Asian character in the series, who's just like him in certain respects.
Even last season I suspected that this could go this way because of the "Cat-Gut-Strings", knowing all to well that Hannibal listened to Lady Murasaki teach Chiyoh how to play the Japanese flute and making a connection to Katz playing the violin...
I'm most curious though if we've actually seen the end of Katz given a major spoiler pertaining to another character...
Brian Fuller and gang have done such a great job at picking out all of these elements from the books and films to build something miraculous in this unexplored time period. It's the way I have always wanted to see Hannibal on film...
Your painting comparison is exactly right. That's what Hannibal is.
ReplyDeleteAs for the book, I don't think Fuller is particularly concerned with following that storyline. He's kinda doing his own thing (and what a masterful thing that is, god).
I wonder how Hannibal will build up Beverly's death. Will he blame another serial killer for it? Will he make her body disappear? Not sure.
ReplyDeleteEither way, good call shooting the ceiling! That was one smart clue to leave Jack and the gang.
On other news, Bella's slap was so damn gratifying! I think he's betrayal to her was one of the most horrific things he's done so far. Funny enough, he did it by denying Bella what he forces upon his victims, death.
This episode was fantastic and draining at the same time- seeing the extent of what Hannibal did to Will, seeing Will manipulate Chilton to help him retrieve his memories and boy Beverly should have listened to Will, RIP Bev. The whole Bella portion of the episode just really hit hard, both Gina and Laurence hit it out of the park and to see Hannibal so nonchalant toss a coin to decide if he should save her or let her die peacefully, really showed who he was without any dialogue. Anything Beverly would have found would have been inadmissible, so I feel like this was mostly to convince HER of the truth, and because it was illegal, she couldn't exactly tell anyone where she was going. I love Beverly and I'm sad to see her go, she was a great character and I loved her relationship with Will.
ReplyDeleteTotally agreed, and Mads is beyond words.
ReplyDeleteDisagree to some degree...
ReplyDeleteFor instance in "Hannibal" Hannibal is an avid fan of Stephen Hawking. He constantly smashes the tea cup to make sure time can not go in reveres, because then Hannibal will reject his love/placement for Starling, because then he can get his sister back.
Will Graham's ability is seeing the crime seen in "reverse". So Fuller is using this time period as a grand stepping stone from Will to Starling...and Hannibal's love for derives from this fear and fascination of "time moving backwards".
He's used a character mentioned in passing in Red Dragon Abigail Hobbs as huge wink back to his sister and a wink forward to Starling. (Georgia M. and Marion G. also wink to Starling through lack of taste and duty/job + there was character named "Lamb" as well) Hannibal comments that Will is a "fragile little tea cup" and Abigail drops one of Hannibal's tea cups when he drugs her.
This episode winks to Hannibal's origin story Hannibal Rising and time spent in France with his aunt Lady Murasaki and how he wrestles with what she tried to teach him (Eastern Philosophy), and as Katz becomes a direct parallel to him! (plus Cat-Gut strings last season).
Lady Murasaki is also a wink to the first female Japanese writer and Fuller expounds on this notion with the character Bedelia Du Maurier (Daphne Du Maurier = female writer + physiological thriller).
Plus the episode with the guy who could see sinners and was 'making angels' out of them from last season is a wink to both Buffalo Bill and The Tooth Fairy at the same time. (Note: Hannibal is like John Million's Devil in Paradise Lost. William Blake, the artist behind Tooth Fairy's 'red dragon', was always made for Milton by making the Devil so "human"...)
Book readers are often upset with "Hannibal" (horror romance) and "Hannibal Rising" (atmospheric - revenge - historic - war - origin story -which has be changed here a bit) because Thomas Harris is making a point that Hannibal isn't just a crime thriller, but an anthropomorphic tale...Fuller is just doing that from the start.
Fuller has also stated he is trying to do the whole story. So even though there are some differences he is being cannon to very particular things and/or using the cannon to flesh out the original story...
You're probably right. But all I meant was I think Fuller is more interested in the general story, the big themes in Red Dragon, not in every last detail. It doesn't mean he cannot resort to details and be faithful to them (because he often does), but I guess that, if he faces a crossroad in which he has to change something in the original story in order to make it work for the show, he will.
ReplyDeleteWell we're not even in Red Dragon territory just yet, but I'm saying it's not just Red Dragon he has been inferring too, because he has stated he has a 7 yr plan for fleshing out the entire Harris works, which is why it's even more masterful than perhaps some viewers realize (because there are SO MANY allusions and details he has used already that relate to rest of the story as we know it from novel and film). I think he's actually VERY interested in the details, as this season we are going to be meeting at least one "Hannibal Rising" character and two characters from "Hannibal"...
ReplyDeleteObviously he has made some changes (and will have to continue to, because he has shifted the original time period), but they tend to be changes that still go with themes and ideas presented in ALL of the novels and films and not something completely different and not just exclusively to Red Dragon. He's been creative and adaptive and very expansive, but also very conscious and respectful of the material, otherwise he wouldn't have spent so much time using/referencing it with this new unexplored Era.
And looking back at an interview, I'm wrong season 4 is suppose to be Red Dragon era:
*****MAJOR BOOK FILM SPOILERS from Bryan Fuller Interview
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"FULLER: I can see pretty clearly seven seasons. I think that there are always shifts and alterations and course corrections that you have to take, because you’ll be cruising along and then you’ll hit an idea and go, “Oh, wow, that’s a great idea, we have to do that now.” That being said, I can see the structure for a seven-season arc for the show, but then I also am very open to course corrections along the way to adapt to changes.
AX: If you don’t get to run for seven seasons, are you going to make available to the public in some form what the unaired seasons would have been?
FULLER: Well, when you get into Season Four, you get into the literature. And so Season Four would be RED DRAGON, Season Five would be the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS era, Season Six would be the HANNIBAL era, and then Season Seven would be a resolve to the ending of that book. HANNIBAL ends on a cliffhanger. Hannibal Lecter has bonded with Clarice Starling and brainwashed her and they are now quasi-lovers and off as fugitives, and so that’s a cliffhanger. It might be interesting to resolve that in some way and to bring Will Graham back into the picture. So once we get two more seasons, say, of the television show, those are the aren’t-novelized stories, and then we would get into expansions of the novels after that and kind of using the novels as a backbone for season arcs that would then be kind of enhanced."
http://www.assignmentx.com/2013/exclusive-interview-hannibal-news-on-season-1-season-2-and-beyond-from-showrunner-bryan-fuller/
Those final minutes... I couldn't breathe. This show is a masterpiece.
ReplyDeleteYa, I think that's about right! I too wish the ratings would be better. Mads Mikkelsen is just the perfect Hannibal IMO and the show has a really great artistic feel/look. I think I read that if NBC drops it, it would try netflix. I would love to see his version through 7 seasons! :)
ReplyDeleteThe episode, was awesome, but Beverly dying that was unnecessary. And i think NBC will get a lot of backlash because of her death. She is probably my favorite character.
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