I don't think she's being selfish. She wants Henry to have a normal life... I for once understand her (even if I'm one of those oncers that think that Henry should stay with Regina)
The reason I think it's selfish is because Emma dosn't want Henry to be mad at her again, like he was before he was kidnapped for lying about his father, why she didn't just tell him and her parents the truth about Neal is her own problem but if Henry finds out she was planning on leaving THIER whole family behind and leave him with his true memories he's going to be super mad. Normal isn't thier family and it seems Emma's the only one with a problem with that.
She never said anything about Henry being mad at her, she said "A week ago Henry and I were playing video games and eating fruit rollups, now I am chasing after the dark one hoping he can help me find the wicked witch of the west," She came to Storybrooke because she knew Henry would be mad at her if he remembered and if she hadn't come, but she knows that they have a good life back in NY, a life any kid should have and she knows that because she never had a good life.
She didn't tell him and her parents about Neal because she didn't think he'd be coming back to her life. Which, let's be honest, what are the chances?
I don't understand how Emma is being selfish? She never asked for anything that had happened to her. All those bad things that did, it was repaid by Regina giving Henry and Emma a chance at happiness and normalcy.
It's not like Emma and Henry going back and living in NY is a forever sort of goodbye. Not this time around. You do know family members grow up and can move away? But they can visit anytime they can?
(And let's be real, in the real world Emma WOULD move back to NY. But this is television. You can't very well have a show about fairytales when the main character lives a regular joe life.)
Emma has had a shitty life, she never asked for any of it to happen, who would? An it was really nice of Regina to give her those memories but there fake, lies, she made the choices that led her to the life she was living, but it was her choice, you have to live with the decisions you make, there consequences. An her family is trapped in storybrook, being turned into flying monkeys if they try to leave, would Henry get his memories back or would she let him live a lie in New York . any hoo, they will stay in stroybrook, with there family, Henry will get his memories back and the drama will continue, like what if Regina finds out Emma wants to leave with Henry (without his memories) after this curse...
"It was hard.Henry makes it complicated,it's not just about me.HE is hoping Gold can help bring his memories back."
Odds are that the HE Emma is talking about is Neal.Which means that they've already reunited(perhaps with Henry as well).So I don't think the flying monkey can be Neal.Unless whoever gets turned can change back and forth at will,but I doubt this is the case.
But....at Emma and David matter something that Rumpel is still alive, or the only thing that matters to them is that they use it to get to the wicked witch? o.o
Apparently Walsh could. It may depend on how they were transformed originally. If she cast a spell to transform him, then maybe he has control. And those that were transformed by a bite, can't. We'll have to wait and see.
Are you talking about how Emma asked if Rumple knew where the Wicked Witch is? You do realize that it's important to know that in that moment if she is close by, ready to attack them or if they have a chance to get him to safety.
I'm really enjoying the Emma/Charming relationship growing in season 3, it makes up for how badly they've mangled Snow/Emma relationship. But I'm growing SO tired of Emma pretending that taking Henry away from his mother is a good idea and over Rumple's crazy. It's very tiring.
I have no stake in this argument because I dropped OUaT when they didn't just leave Henry in the well/cave/tunnel/or whatever it was I was hoping he'd be stuck in partway through season 1. However in the episodes that I watched I was appalled by how anti-adoption it was. It's one of the reasons why I hated Emma and could not watch the show anymore.
This has nothing to do with adoption and everything to with inanely jumping to 'kidnapping' at the mere mention of Emma considering living anywhere besides Storybrooke.
But his life wasnt normal to begging with (or well as normal as a Cursed town would give) the memories he has and her has, those were memories that Regina put into them, once Henry starts to remember i doubt he will go with Emma leaving his adoptive mom and his grandpas the point of all this show is being witha family and i dont think Henry will go that easily, Emma may have a point but i wont work.
Not really because Henry is not legally Emma's. Taking a child anywhere, even when you have rights to them without the permission of the other parent is illegal. Parents with much more legal right than Emma are arrested and charged with abduction every day. THAT'S basic law.
I wouldn't bring all that legality into this. If Emma ever wanted to contest that adoption, especially in Storybrooke, it would collapse like rickety Jenga tower.
But what's she going to say? It was a legal adoption out of Storybrooke and she actually signed all her rights away. So it's lucky nobody in New York checked during the year because even if she had memories of it, it wasn't real. You're the one that brought up the law and the law is not on Emma's side. Her doing anything with Henry without Regina's permission is abduction. So Emma could contest it in Storybrooke and they'd be all "joint custody, whatever" but if she left Storybrooke it would only take one phone call to have her arrested. Henry would go into the system before he went to Emma.
When you introduce a locker full of hearts, a murdered Sheriff, a hostage held for decades as leverage, and the plethora of people out for her head into evidence, no judge in their right mind would let Regina anywhere near a child. Outside of Storybrooke, good luck trying to prove that Regina should have any rights to Henry when she's been MIA for a year while the boy has been living with her mother and going to school in NYC. Either way, she's not keeping Henry if the courts get involved.
Lol. What? Neither of those make any sense at all. In Storybrooke murder is the most common form of death so I doubt a judge would do anything about it, considering Regina is still the mayor of the town even with full knowledge of who she is.
And likewise, the parent of the abducted child is usually not punished because she couldn't locate the child. Even if Regina didn't keep Henry, Emma wouldn't either because in the eyes of the real world she's not his parent. He'd go into foster care.
You can't have it both ways. You either invoke the legal system or you don't. Legally, Regina is screwed. Henry wasn't abducted and good luck trying to prove he was when the mother didn't alert authorities, didn't issue an amber alert, didn't attempt any contact with her son, and fell of the grid herself completely.
Yeah? like the fact that Regina let Emma get away with Henry and gave them good memories? Or the fact that Emma lets Regina babysit Henry even when she's just Madam Mayor for him?
That's...not how the law works. When they find that a woman has been living with a child for a year that she's not the guardian or parent of, the person goes to jail. Of all the things without legal precedent on OUAT, THIS actually DOES have legal precedent. It's actually pretty common. It ends in jail time and foster care.
A.) She is a parent. B.) Once the authorities asked why Regina is just now getting around to this after an entire year then tries to explain herself and then cannot it will be all downhill for Regina from there.
"It might not be enough to get Henry back to Regina but it would definitely be enough to send Emma to jail and Henry to the foster system."
Is what amounts to mutually assured destruction. Poof. Her relationship with Henry is destroyed along with any traction she's gained with the people of Storybrooke, which means it would never ever happen. So, if she goes that route she's just as screwed.
Going to NYC doesn't make it 'easier' for Emma, but for Henry: he was friends and by everything Emma says, he HAS a good life.
I'm going to stop replying. Because this is pointless. I love Regina and I'm actually one of the oncers that say that Henry is rightfully hers. I just think that Emma is not completely mistaken about this decision.
It's not going to happen, it's just hypothetical to show that Emma taking Henry back to New York without his mother's permission is abduction. Circumstances actually don't matter.
To prove abduction they'd have to investigate and if they investigate, especially if they start interviewing people, it's going to be bad for Regina and assuredly good for Emma. If push came to shove, everyone would back one side over the other and we know it wouldn't be Regina.
Because she's not. If the option to restore his memories and reunite him with his mother exists and she didn't take it, she'd be doing Henry a HUGE disservice.
LOL. To prove abduction they look at Emma's legal standing. There is literally NOTHING that will make it look good for Emma. She gave up all parental rights to Henry so her living with him is illegal. That's it. That's the thing.
It doesn't matter AT ALL who sides with whom. Parents have gone to jail after decades of raising children with hundreds of 'they're such a good parent though!' because they had no legal right to the children.
The law doesn't support your arguments at all. I mean, there are dozens upon dozens of cases with examples every year. There's one in the newspaper almost weekly.
Now it's my turn to say "that's not how the law works." There's nothing that WON'T be in Emma's favor, starting with asking Henry questions about Regina who, as far as he's concerned, he's never met until a few days ago in this scenario. Then there's corroboration that's impossible. Anyone they interview would say that Regina sent him away with Emma willfully.
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I have a strange feeling that monkey is Neal
ReplyDeleteWOW ROBERT CARLYLE HE'S SO AMAZING.
ReplyDeleteDaddy Charming with his girl. So cute)
ReplyDeleteGood theory. I never thought about that.
ReplyDeleteDidn't thought they would find Gold so soon. I think it would be much harder.
ReplyDeleteI do not understand what are the voices he hears Gold and especially why ....
ReplyDeleteHowever, Bobby is fantastic!!
Absolutely! I mean Wow! that scream sent shivers down my spine 0.0
ReplyDeleteSo Emma is really selfish now, like Regina or Henry (once he gets his memory's back) would want/let them leave
ReplyDeleteRight? I was just thinking that...
ReplyDeletemaybe if he kills the monkey it will turn into Neal?
ReplyDeleteI don't think she's being selfish. She wants Henry to have a normal life... I for once understand her (even if I'm one of those oncers that think that Henry should stay with Regina)
ReplyDeleteThe reason I think it's selfish is because Emma dosn't want Henry to be mad at her again, like he was before he was kidnapped for lying about his father, why she didn't just tell him and her parents the truth about Neal is her own problem but if Henry finds out she was planning on leaving THIER whole family behind and leave him with his true memories he's going to be super mad. Normal isn't thier family and it seems Emma's the only one with a problem with that.
ReplyDeleteShe never said anything about Henry being mad at her, she said "A week ago Henry and I were playing video games and eating fruit rollups, now I am chasing after the dark one hoping he can help me find the wicked witch of the west,"
ReplyDeleteShe came to Storybrooke because she knew Henry would be mad at her if he remembered and if she hadn't come, but she knows that they have a good life back in NY, a life any kid should have and she knows that because she never had a good life.
She didn't tell him and her parents about Neal because she didn't think he'd be coming back to her life. Which, let's be honest, what are the chances?
I don't understand how Emma is being selfish? She never asked for anything that had happened to her. All those bad things that did, it was repaid by Regina giving Henry and Emma a chance at happiness and normalcy.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like Emma and Henry going back and living in NY is a forever sort of goodbye. Not this time around. You do know family members grow up and can move away? But they can visit anytime they can?
(And let's be real, in the real world Emma WOULD move back to NY. But this is television. You can't very well have a show about fairytales when the main character lives a regular joe life.)
Emma has had a shitty life, she never asked for any of it to happen, who would? An it was really nice of Regina to give her those memories but there fake, lies, she made the choices that led her to the life she was living, but it was her choice, you have to live with the decisions you make, there consequences. An her family is trapped in storybrook, being turned into flying monkeys if they try to leave, would Henry get his memories back or would she let him live a lie in New York . any hoo, they will stay in stroybrook, with there family, Henry will get his memories back and the drama will continue, like what if Regina finds out Emma wants to leave with Henry (without his memories) after this curse...
ReplyDelete"I don't understand how Emma is being selfish?"
ReplyDeleteSimple. Any time that Emma doesn't prioritize Regina above all else in her decision-making process, Emma is instantly regarded as a horrible shrew.
It's small town. What have you expected? Chasing him for 3 episodes?
ReplyDelete"It was hard.Henry makes it complicated,it's not just about me.HE is hoping Gold can help bring his memories back."
ReplyDeleteOdds are that the HE Emma is talking about is Neal.Which means that they've already reunited(perhaps with Henry as well).So I don't think the flying monkey can be Neal.Unless whoever gets turned can change back and forth at will,but I doubt this is the case.
But....at Emma and David matter something that Rumpel is still alive, or the only thing that matters to them is that they use it to get to the wicked witch? o.o
ReplyDeleteApparently Walsh could. It may depend on how they were transformed originally. If she cast a spell to transform him, then maybe he has control. And those that were transformed by a bite, can't. We'll have to wait and see.
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about how Emma asked if Rumple knew where the Wicked Witch is? You do realize that it's important to know that in that moment if she is close by, ready to attack them or if they have a chance to get him to safety.
ReplyDeleteI've no idea, but I'm looking forward to this upcoming episode.
ReplyDeleteKidnapping Regina's son again isn't exactly selfless...
ReplyDeleteIf I gave this comment the severe eye-roll it deserved I'd end up with a migraine headache.
ReplyDeleteI feel the same. There's only so much anti-adoption bullshit I can take.
ReplyDeleteI'm really enjoying the Emma/Charming relationship growing in season 3, it makes up for how badly they've mangled Snow/Emma relationship. But I'm growing SO tired of Emma pretending that taking Henry away from his mother is a good idea and over Rumple's crazy. It's very tiring.
ReplyDeleteI have no stake in this argument because I dropped OUaT when they didn't just leave Henry in the well/cave/tunnel/or whatever it was I was hoping he'd be stuck in partway through season 1. However in the episodes that I watched I was appalled by how anti-adoption it was. It's one of the reasons why I hated Emma and could not watch the show anymore.
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with adoption and everything to with inanely jumping to 'kidnapping' at the mere mention of Emma considering living anywhere besides Storybrooke.
ReplyDeleteBut his life wasnt normal to begging with (or well as normal as a Cursed town would give) the memories he has and her has, those were memories that Regina put into them, once Henry starts to remember i doubt he will go with Emma leaving his adoptive mom and his grandpas the point of all this show is being witha family and i dont think Henry will go that easily, Emma may have a point but i wont work.
ReplyDeleteSo happy that Rumple is back! It's strange didn't David lost his sword in the previous episode ???
ReplyDeleteI doubt it too, but I was just saying I don't think she's selfish for trying to give him a normal life.
ReplyDeletePlease, Emma and Regina passed that "anti-adoption" shit a long time ago...
ReplyDeleteIt's a kid that isn't hers. Taking him away without talking to his parent is abduction.
ReplyDeletelol. That's funny.
ReplyDeleteBiology and basic law would beg to differ.
ReplyDeletelol, wut? That doesn't even make sense.
ReplyDeleteThat explains a lot,
ReplyDeleteNot really because Henry is not legally Emma's. Taking a child anywhere, even when you have rights to them without the permission of the other parent is illegal. Parents with much more legal right than Emma are arrested and charged with abduction every day. THAT'S basic law.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't bring all that legality into this. If Emma ever wanted to contest that adoption, especially in Storybrooke, it would collapse like rickety Jenga tower.
ReplyDeleteBut what's she going to say? It was a legal adoption out of Storybrooke and she actually signed all her rights away. So it's lucky nobody in New York checked during the year because even if she had memories of it, it wasn't real. You're the one that brought up the law and the law is not on Emma's side. Her doing anything with Henry without Regina's permission is abduction. So Emma could contest it in Storybrooke and they'd be all "joint custody, whatever" but if she left Storybrooke it would only take one phone call to have her arrested. Henry would go into the system before he went to Emma.
ReplyDeleteWhen you introduce a locker full of hearts, a murdered Sheriff, a hostage held for decades as leverage, and the plethora of people out for her head into evidence, no judge in their right mind would let Regina anywhere near a child. Outside of Storybrooke, good luck trying to prove that Regina should have any rights to Henry when she's been MIA for a year while the boy has been living with her mother and going to school in NYC. Either way, she's not keeping Henry if the courts get involved.
ReplyDeleteLol. What? Neither of those make any sense at all. In Storybrooke murder is the most common form of death so I doubt a judge would do anything about it, considering Regina is still the mayor of the town even with full knowledge of who she is.
ReplyDeleteAnd likewise, the parent of the abducted child is usually not punished because she couldn't locate the child. Even if Regina didn't keep Henry, Emma wouldn't either because in the eyes of the real world she's not his parent. He'd go into foster care.
You can't have it both ways. You either invoke the legal system or you don't. Legally, Regina is screwed. Henry wasn't abducted and good luck trying to prove he was when the mother didn't alert authorities, didn't issue an amber alert, didn't attempt any contact with her son, and fell of the grid herself completely.
ReplyDeleteWell, legally, HENRY is screwed. Emma would never get to keep him after a call to New York authorities.
ReplyDeleteThey'd have no reason not to.
ReplyDeleteNo reason not to what?
ReplyDeleteYeah? like the fact that Regina let Emma get away with Henry and gave them good memories? Or the fact that Emma lets Regina babysit Henry even when she's just Madam Mayor for him?
ReplyDeleteThey'd have no reason not to let Emma keep him just as she has been.
ReplyDeleteThis episode literally had Emma saying she wanted to take Henry back to New York. Where his actual mother DOES NOT LIVE.
ReplyDeleteThat's...not how the law works. When they find that a woman has been living with a child for a year that she's not the guardian or parent of, the person goes to jail. Of all the things without legal precedent on OUAT, THIS actually DOES have legal precedent. It's actually pretty common. It ends in jail time and foster care.
ReplyDeleteA.) She is a parent. B.) Once the authorities asked why Regina is just now getting around to this after an entire year then tries to explain herself and then cannot it will be all downhill for Regina from there.
ReplyDeleteBecause she wants what's best for him. And Regina agrees with that (with what's best for Henry...)
ReplyDeletea) Emma is a birth parent, yes. But she gave up legal rights to Henry. They've said so on the show.
ReplyDeleteb) The actual law says differently but okay. Regina could just as easily say she allowed Henry to live with Emma but she revokes her permission.
A few google searches about Parent Child Abduction should clear up the issues you're having.
I doubt Regina would agree to losing her child again when it wasn't 100% necessary just because it would make it easier for Emma.
ReplyDelete"Regina could just as easily say she allowed Henry to live with Emma but she revokes her permission."
ReplyDeleteAnd when the authorities decide to investigate? That's not going to hold up.
And what would they find when they investigate?
ReplyDeleteThat not one single person or shred of evidence would corroborate her story.
ReplyDeleteYet the evidence they'd still be left with is a) Regina is the parent b) Emma gave up her rights to him and c) Emma took him.
ReplyDeleteC would never be proven and this:
ReplyDelete"It might not be enough to get Henry back to Regina but it would
definitely be enough to send Emma to jail and Henry to the foster
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Is what amounts to mutually assured destruction. Poof. Her relationship with Henry is destroyed along with any traction she's gained with the people of Storybrooke, which means it would never ever happen. So, if she goes that route she's just as screwed.
Going to NYC doesn't make it 'easier' for Emma, but for Henry: he was friends and by everything Emma says, he HAS a good life.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to stop replying. Because this is pointless. I love Regina and I'm actually one of the oncers that say that Henry is rightfully hers. I just think that Emma is not completely mistaken about this decision.
It's not going to happen, it's just hypothetical to show that Emma taking Henry back to New York without his mother's permission is abduction. Circumstances actually don't matter.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Emma is mistaken. Just selfish. OUAT is the most anti-adoption show I've ever watched and they've only made it worse with the 3A finale.
ReplyDeleteTo prove abduction they'd have to investigate and if they investigate, especially if they start interviewing people, it's going to be bad for Regina and assuredly good for Emma. If push came to shove, everyone would back one side over the other and we know it wouldn't be Regina.
ReplyDeleteHow can she be selfish when she's doing it for Henry?! Arrrg... Nevermind.
ReplyDeleteBecause she's not. If the option to restore his memories and reunite him with his mother exists and she didn't take it, she'd be doing Henry a HUGE disservice.
ReplyDeleteLOL. To prove abduction they look at Emma's legal standing. There is literally NOTHING that will make it look good for Emma. She gave up all parental rights to Henry so her living with him is illegal. That's it. That's the thing.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter AT ALL who sides with whom. Parents have gone to jail after decades of raising children with hundreds of 'they're such a good parent though!' because they had no legal right to the children.
The law doesn't support your arguments at all. I mean, there are dozens upon dozens of cases with examples every year. There's one in the newspaper almost weekly.
Now it's my turn to say "that's not how the law works." There's nothing that WON'T be in Emma's favor, starting with asking Henry questions about Regina who, as far as he's concerned, he's never met until a few days ago in this scenario. Then there's corroboration that's impossible. Anyone they interview would say that Regina sent him away with Emma willfully.
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