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USD POLL : Who do you sympathize with more on Revenge?
1 Feb 2014
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Emily of course !
ReplyDeleteEmily. Daniel's been a bad guy for a long time.
ReplyDeleteEmily, no doubts.
ReplyDeleteDaniel has just been an ass since the end of season 2.
I remember a time when people would endlessly defend Daniel's actions...I hated that time. I don't miss it. Thank God that ship sank. It felt like I was firing at it forever.
ReplyDeleteWhy would anybody sympathize with Daniel?
ReplyDeleteDaniel is an ass. Plain and simple.
ReplyDeleteEmily, Daniel is just a spoiled brat who has had plenty of chances to be different from his parents but chooses not to be
ReplyDeleteEmily of course!
ReplyDeleteI agree with you,but i also think that despite everything that has happened,he always had a choice to take the high road and be a decent person. A choice not to be like his parents or to be a pawn in Emily's game.( ..he didn't know about that but deep down he should have felt that something isn't right....)
ReplyDeleteI sympathize with the younger Emily who grew up without a father and spent her youth in foster homes and juvie, but I definitely do not sympathize with the adult Emily. She stopped being a victim years ago,which is admirable, because most people would not have been able to rise above their circumstances in such an impressive manner, but at this point, she is not much better than some of the people she has targeted. I think her revenge scheme went too far when it started to screw with the lives of relatively innocent people: Sarah, Daniel, Patrick, Declan, Jack. and Charlotte all have their flaws, but they certainly didn't deserve to be collateral damage.. It is also ironic that the real targets (Victoria, Conrad and Lydia), are still relatively unscathed.
ReplyDeleteI'm probably one of the few people who selected Daniel, although part of the problem with his character is that it isn't written consistently. As bad as Daniel has become, I still have more sympathy for him than Emily. He may have been a rich spoiled brat, but there were numerous occasions where he tried to do the right thing and backed down because of family loyalty. If anything,his main problem was not having enough of a spine. Also in the time that he has known Emily, his life has been turned upside down and to then find out that he was a pawn in something she was plotting years before they even met,, would have been a devastating blow to anyone. Also, since he isn't privy to her past, it makes sense that he would see her as a monster. So while I the Graysons are largely responsible for the sociopath that Emily has become, I think that Emily is largely responsible for the angry, bitter and vengeful person that Daniel has become. The main distinction is that Emily is the protagonist who gets to tell her side of the story, which is why we root for her over Daniel. ,.I think, the ideal next chapter in this story would be for Daniel to find out that Emily is Amanda. How he reacts to that information would say a lot about him, I think.
Even If I don't exactly find Emily that sympathetic anymore ( but she's still way more sympathetic than daniel.) doesn't mean I that I don't like her.
ReplyDeleteBoth. I understand why Daniel is livid. Emily totally used him and never loved or cared for him. Emily is not a very good person, even though she is the protagonist. I love that about Revenge. And Emily is so blinded with her revenge that she doesn't care who she hurts in the process. But I don't care about that. I love both Emily and the Graysons. I don't want Emily to ever destroy them, but I don't want Emily to suffer either. It´s a tough standpoint, but it's mine.
ReplyDeleteEmily.
ReplyDeleteBut also, Jack!!
I would of preferred Jack Porter to replaced Daniel on that poll. Things haven't always been peachy for the Graysons including Daniel. I have some sympathy towards all of the graysons on different matters.
ReplyDeleteI have seen season 2 so far, so I believe there is a good reason why Daniel beats all the other characters.
I voted for Emily. So far I don't see many issues. She does use Daniel and she can be harsh but overall she is giving payback :)
Ok no denying that your right in some parts however you seem to be down playing some of the actions of these so called innocent victims
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You seem to forget that Lydia is one of the people be hind the frame job of David Clark she knew he was innocent she did nothing to stop it and she did it all for money and to sleep with the husband of her best friend. You also say Sara is innocent but seem forget that Sara willingly decided to personally get herself involved and start an affair and with the man who crushed her spine driving drunk whose parents left her with all the hospital bills she had to pay for they the Grayson's didn't seem all sorry about that daniel was the one who got her involved not Emily and he did it to spite Emily and the only reason why Sara stood by him was because he lied to her about not shooting Emily.
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You say Emily needs to take responsibility for her actions but if Conrad had taken responsibility for that plane coming down and turn himself in and give his side of the story none of this would be happening he wasn't forced to frame her father he whose to frame her father and they did it knowing that Emily be hurt from this and what did they do they lock her up to keep her from talking against them and bribed the psychiatrist (dr banks) to tell her her father was a terrorist and she will never be a good person.
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" in going after Lydia and exposing her affair with Conrad she hurt Michael"
Who was also cheating on Lydia for another women that's how the whole divorce started. " in running Bill's hedge fund to the ground she put hundreds of people out a job" so your ignoring that bill made an unnecessary gamble from someone he didn't even know isn't that reckless it's his company. As for dr banks are you saying that it's ok for her to take advantage of said patients by recording their private sessions some thing she wasn't supposed to do she already breched that trust along time ago. So what are you saying it's ok for them to secretly do bad thing to people and take advantage of the and not get caught but Emily is evil for exposing them for the frauds that they are the same people who mercilessly helped the Grayson's destroy her family and show no remorse for destroying the life of an innocent child because when we saw them again in that New Year's Eve party they didn't seem like they were lossing sleep over it remember the one who actually was lossing sleep over it wanted to help Emily expose them and what happened he was murdered by frank Conrad's bodyguard. That seems to a diffrence between Emily and the Grayson's you seem to be forgetting about they have committed murder Emily hasn't killed a single person since this started not even the white haired man who killed her father she could have but she didn't because she thought it would diss honor his memory does that make her worse then the Grayson's. The point is there may be no excuse for Emily's actions but if that's the case their is no excuses for the actions of the Grayson's or their acomplesies every has a right to their opinions but IMO this ran seems very biased
Oh man this made me laugh so hard. There are so many holes in your argument that I don't even know where to begin and you sound like a huge Emily apologist (scratch that, you definitely are one) so I'm not even sure it would be worth it to waste my time countering every single one of your weak points....? On the one hand I really want to just so you can realize how problematic your thought process is, but on the other hand I don't think you're even capable of acknowledging the fact that Emily is a completely horrible person soooo I'll pass. Emily apologists frighten me tbh. Seriously, if you think what she's doing is justified then I worry about your sanity.
ReplyDeleteI sympathize with jack I just wish he would use his head more often then he does
ReplyDeleteFor some reason I don't think your hearing me. I'm going to say this again. Even If I don't exactly find Emily that sympathetic anymore doesn't mean I that I don't like her. In other words no one is justified make of that what you will. These terrible people ( EMILY, Victoria, Conrad) they make this show awsome
ReplyDeleteYou're being rude and condescending in an attempt to make gta4801 look stupid. All you've really accomplished is making yourself look obnoxious. You'll be advised not to tell people who disagree with you to "cut the crap", declare your own opinion as "the truth" and such in the future.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, there's a difference between justifying someone's actions and condoning them. One can concede that Emily's actions are wrong and not justified in any way while being willing to condone them. It's still a TV show, and if people rooted for Dexter Morgan as he went out and murdered criminals every night for 7 years, it's not exactly beyond the pale for them to feel similarly about Ms. Thorne.
Well honestly I just wanted a conversation I personally don't get much of that.
ReplyDeleteI don't sympathize with either character. Daniel had evil in him from the beginning. He was a drunk and responsible for ruining a girl's life because of it. As soon as he went into business at Grayson Global, his true nature surfaced.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Emily's concerned, I no longer feel any sympathy for her. She brought all the bad stuff that's happened to her on herself. She's responsible for Famanda's (Fake+Amanda) death. You don't put your friends in the line of fire. Nolan has suffered a great deal because of her. Let's not forget that Jack lost his brother because of her vengeful tactics. How you ask? She forced the Grayson's hands.
She had plenty of opportunities to get out and have a happy life but she didn't. Now she's barren and full of hatred. Nothing good will ever come out of her.
Emily revealed the real Daniel.
ReplyDeleteEmily. She was only a child and everything was taken away from her, by the Graysons. The amount of personal issues she's developed because of it, and what the Graysons did to her too.
ReplyDeleteShe tried to help Daniel in season 1 and the first half of season 2, she tried to save him by getting him to turn on his parents or to choose against them, she truly did, but he chose to join them in the interview. When he didnt have to, he could have told everyone what his parents did or completely cut himself from them at the very least. Even after all the hindsight in the world and to see all the pain caused by his parents onto others, he chose the same path. And he's currently getting worse than his parents. I have no sympathy for him. He had all the chances in the world. And all he does is join his parents or run away when there is a little problem.
I think that's short sighted. Daniel may not have been an angel but for the actions Emily took, he would not have shot her. That doesn't make him innocent but it makes her equally as guilty.
ReplyDelete1. She didnt go after Sara in the first place. She tried very hard just to get rid of her, she did not want to hurt her. But then Daniel brought her back in. She had to get rid of Sara,so she got her mother to come, if Sara just left with her mum there would be no harm done, of which Sara did break up with Daniel in which I'm sure her mother and Sara will work things out, Sara just got carried away. Daniel, Victoria and Charlotte brought an innocent into his. Emily tried her best to get rid of her nicely, she didnt ruin her, not like the others, so how did she "going after targets"?
ReplyDelete2. Emily had to frame Lydia, of which Conrad and Victoria framed first, because Daniel is not her real target, she needs to stay in house. I'm 100% sure when Emily takes down Conrad and Victoria, she'll take down Daniel too. But as soon as she pointed at Daniel shed never be able to get to them. Of which they'd just get Daniel out of prison like they always do, they'll kill more, frame or threaten, which will just create more collateral damage. And there wasnt enough evidence to convict him anyway, they'd just paint Emily as the scorned lover blaming the husband who's in love with another.
3. Ok yes, she uses her past to justify her actions, no doubt. But they hurt her and her father a lot. They didnt just rip the two apart, the Grayson's ruined them. And yes her future was taken because she choice revenge
*and yes her future was taken from her because she chose revenge, but Daniel didnt have to shoot her. Once again showing that the Graysons will kill anyone to get their way.
ReplyDelete4. The Graysons took everything from her. I mean she probs could have returned to Jack, but she saw him and saw he was in a relationship and happy, she probs felt like a burden to Jack if se returned, she probs believed he forgot and didn't care about her when she retuned when she was 18. And apart from him she had nothing, she's was an angry and lonely 18 year old who chose revenge because she had nothing and nothing else to lose. And when she came to the Hampton's she had already lost so much of her humanity and spent so much time training that no doubt it would be very hard to get off that boat especially with Takeda always there to put her back on. And she did in 1x22 but Amanda was there and pregnant, so once again Emily had nothing else to lose and no future. And no way could she get off that boat in season 2, there was too much danger and she had to try and stop the Initiative and the Graysons so they wouldn't hurt anyone, but the lack of information and Aiden and Nolan kinda turning on her she had no chance to stop it.
And now in season 3,she wanted to quickly complete her revenge and leave and have a future, she was going to, but then she found out she can't have children, so once again in her mind she has no future so nothing to lose.
Exactly. You're one of the few people whose logic actually makes sense. Emily was sympathetic once upon a time, but now? I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for her. She brings it all down on herself and blames other people for the way her life has turned out instead of taking responsibility for her actions and making a good life for herself. Most characters on the show have been put through hell but none of them whine and victimize themselves as much as Emily does. Victoria's childhood was equally traumatizing (if not much more so) and you don't see her going around blaming the people who once hurt her for her own personal failures. The Graysons were responsible for ruining Emily's past, not her future. Emily fucked 500% culpable for the way her life has turned out since she decided to go on her mission of revenge. All of you apologists need to get off your high horses and stop making excuses for her.
ReplyDeleteI've always been confused by this can you tell me how she is responsible for Amanda's death
ReplyDeleteI think it's useless to blame Emily for the sole purpose of the plot if she didn't choose revenge the show wouldn't be called reveng and we wouldn't be watching this
ReplyDeleteSo what? Her actions are still wrong. Without the Graysons framing David Clarke there wouldn't be a show either. Does that mean you're going to apply the same logic to them? If so, then they can't be blamed for their actions either because without them none of this would have happened. Sorry, but no. It doesn't work that way. I don't have to like/justify/condone/make excuses for Emily's behavior simply because she's the protagonist and the premise of the show is dependent on her getting revenge.
ReplyDeleteIt's true, obviously, that Daniel would have never shot her if she hadn't played and used him for all of this time, but to say she's equally guilty of his trying to KILL her? That's taking it too far, in my opinion. And he didn't even know the whole truth when he did it - the only thing Emily had confessed was faking a pregnancy for a couple of weeks. And then he got violent with her when she was still injured, in a rage over the fact that Sarah left him... he has a very dark side. It may never have come out to light if Emily hadn't hurt him the way she did (which I'm certainly not justifying), but that doesn't make her equally responsible. If I weigh Emily's revenge on the Graysons vs. Daniel's current revenge, if you will, against Emily, I can't help but feel that Emily has far more compelling motives. She made Daniel her pawn, deceived him and broke he and his girlfriend up, true, but that doesn't equal ruining his life the way his parents did to her (and to her father).
ReplyDeleteIt's hilarious how the Sarah thing and the Lydia thing were taken out of context here.
ReplyDeleteEmily made Sarah's mother disown her? How about, Sarah got HERSELF disowned by choosing the guy who crushed her spine and made the last few years of her life a living hell over the mother who took care of her and nursed her back to health during those years? When she had the nerve to tell her mother to "mind [her] own business" instead of at least trying to diffuse the situation gently... wow. Alternately, one can blame the mother if they feel that disowning your child is wrong no matter what. (I don't agree with what she did but I can understand it. I would've been incredibly hurt if it was my daughter telling me to take a hike so she can keep sleeping with a married man who caused her so much suffering.) But all Emily did was confront Sarah with her mother - and how long exactly did Sarah think she could avoid her, anyway? Sooner or later, the mom would've found out Sarah was with Daniel again, and then it would've looked even worse because it would've gone on longer.
As for Lydia - again, Alexa Nicole admirably twisted the chain of events. Yes, Emily played along with Lydia's framing... so she would have leverage over Daniel, which she couldn't have if Daniel hadn't shot her, or if he at least took responsibility and turned himself in. But all of that and the Graysons' framing of Lydia is being conveniently ignored, and Emily going along with the frame because it was the only card she had left is being highlighted as a heinous act. Clearly, Alexa Nicole has trouble understanding why, after Emily was nearly killed and lost her ability to bear children on top of everything else the Graysons have put her through, she would want to get back at them. Well, I don't think we're going to able to explain it...
Jack lost Declan because of Emily? Conrad got in bed with the Initiative again because Emily framed him for Gordon Murphy's murder, true. But Declan died because Conrad tried to murder Jack by placing a bomb at Grayson Global and luring him there. Emily actually risked her life by racing to Grayson Global and trying to save Jack (she thought he was the one there, not Declan). The fact that she framed Conrad is still wrong, obviously, like most of her actions - but how could she have ever anticipated the chain of events that would lead to Conrad putting that bomb in GG and Declan ending up there? Seems unfair to me to put the blame on her because she *technically* set this chain into motion.
ReplyDeleteAs for trying to get out, there was at least one time she was in fact going to do that, in the end of Season 1. She believed Victoria was going to tell the truth, her (Emily's) father would be exonerated and Conrad would go to jail and be renowned as the vile terrorist accomplice he was. But that didn't happen, nor did Emily get to be with Jack as she wanted because Amanda was back and pregnant. I have a hard time saying she should've gotten out and left well enough alone, because how are you supposed to live happily ever after when the people who murdered your father and made the world believe he's a monster are billionaires swilling champagne in their lavish mansion and living it up? Just "let it go"? Perhaps a normal, well-adjusted person could do that. But Emily became a sociopath due to her traumatic childhood. Daniel doesn't even have that excuse which is why I do have sympathy for her unlike him, even though I'm aware of how wrong her actions are.
Emily! Daniel has always been a bad guy and his fake attempts to be good don't change that. He was bad when Emily met him... I mean, who cripples his girlfriends and then leaves her, just to save his own ass?! He's a spoiled brat with a heavy drinking problem. He has never been a nice guy and doesn't deserve any pity!
ReplyDeleteThis reply is in regards to your point about Daniel's only motive for shooting Emily was finding out about the fake pregnancy. I do not believe it is as simple as that. Nothing on this show is as simple as it appears. There were other incidents that Daniel questioned Emily about which heightened his animosity towards her - one being the murder of Tyler Barrol. That was a traumatic moment in Daniel's life that he never got closure for. When Daniel repeatedly questioned Emily about Tyler's allegations against her, she denied them each time and when he questioned about the death of Lee Moran, she claimed to know nothing while his father confessed the grim truth. Victoria wanted Emily to be put on the witness stand, but because of his romantic delusions about Emily, Daniel threatened to confess to the crime which he did not commit. Another instance was Aiden's appearance at Emily's home on Conrad's election night where he was warned against marrying Emily. In a sense, Daniel shot both Tyler and Aiden for the same reason; because they challenged his faith in Emily. He only wanted to believe that she was his wholesome and loving partner and lived in denial of her misdeeds despite all evidence supporting Tyler's, Aiden's, and Victoria's claims. There was even a point where Daniel tried to justify Emily's mysterious antics saying she must have a good reason to hide things from her. He was very well aware of all the signs and chose to live in ignorance of them. Finally, Emily herself confirmed the truth that Daniel was trying desperately to ignore. The loaded gun laying in his reach was just another intrigue to raise his suspicion. Her denial that she was going to shoot him was just another lie and so was her apology. He was not going to give her a chance to carry out the plan he suspected her of. Reflex kicked in. Now Emily herself threatened his fantasies about her. Tyler and Aiden were right. Twice he shot someone to defend her honor and twice he shot Emily as that honor was undeserved. Daniel's a man that abhors the truth when it shatters the lies he would find more comforting to live in. Many times on TV, fake pregnancies are revealed without ending so catastrophically. That alone would not drive Daniel to shoot Emily. He shot her because his belief in her holiness was destroyed and he cherished that belief. What he loved most was not Emily, but goodness he thought she had. The love he once had for her was conditional on her purity and his actions showed the extent of how much he longed for that to be real. He idolized her in many ways believing that she was saving him from his family, giving him a chance to live the right way. Now that his hope for salvation proved to be false, he had nothing left to live for. What happened to Daniel was summed up well in Emily's ending soliloquy in 3x13 about love turning to obsession and hatred. It really is a fascinating plot. There's more to it than meets the eye and I hope the writers are awarded for it.
ReplyDeleteAnd you have to admit that whole thing with daniel and Sara was a terrible plan I mean I knew exactly how it was going to end from looking at the promo. Even Victoria warned daniel what could happen when he got Sara involved. Aleast conrad had the common sense to keep his affairs a secret. Daniel not only underestimated Emily but he overestimated himself ( he thinks now he knows the truth about Emily he's smart now).
ReplyDeleteI agree. Emily didnt force Sarah's mum to disown her at all. That was all the Mother. She just wanted the mother to make her daughter see sense and get out of there. She didnt want to hurt Sara because she was innocent, she just wanted out of the way, and that's what she did. You can't blame Emily for what the mother said and chose, she doesn't have a TVD compulsion on her to do so. Besides Sara went home, the mother would have accepted her easily because she is her daughter and they seem like a very tight family.
ReplyDeleteAnd the Lydia thing. The Graysons had already dug her a hole for Emily, by which remember Lydia is also part of and involved in the David Conspiracy, so no sympathy from me. And yes she could have taken down Daniel by saying he shot her, but he is not the real problem, his parents are, she came to the Hampton's to get Victoria and Conrad. And she'd lose all connection to the Grayson parents when she takes down Daniel. She will take down Daniel for what he did but it will take time. It's a necessary evil.
Patience young ones. "Revenge is a death by a thousand cuts".
The way you used my full name makes me feel like a celebrity. Admirably twisted, huh? Haha thanks, doll, that should come in handy sometime in the future when I'm in law school. Funny how that one little comment of mine sparked all of this madness. Though, I will admit, no one could ever accuse you Emily apologists of lacking passion. You're all so quick to justify her actions as if she were some poor, defenseless little girl with no sense of right or wrong. As much as I've enjoyed being one of the few people on here who isn't delusional, though, this back and forth has grown much too tedious for my taste. One can only take so much b.s. Have a nice life xx
ReplyDeleteI think Daniel was a spoilt rich boy when Emily met him but her antics have turned him into a vile man. I think he would have been a better person if he had never met her.
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