Supernatural 9.13 "The Purge" Review: The Truth Hurts
Feb 5, 2014
Reviews SupernaturalThis week’s episode of Supernatural, “The Purge,” was written by Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder and directed by Phil Sgriccia. This writing team hasn’t impressed me in the past with episodes such as “My Heart Will Go On” or “Mannequin 3: The Reckoning.” The preview of the episode lead me to believe that this was going to be a lighter, filler episode, played for laughs. However, I did like the duo’s fall episode “Dog Dean Afternoon,” and this episode managed to blend some lighter moments with a good monster of the week hunt and some much needed clarification of where the brothers are in terms of their relationship. The return of Sgriccia as director ensured that the scenes between the brothers were exceptional.
A quick shout out to the VFX team for their work this week. The victims who were drained of their excess weight were a great effect as was the Pishtaco. Is it ever not skin-crawlingly creepy to have a monster have something come out of its mouth to feed on its victims?
The monster of the week story followed the basic pattern that is familiar to Supernatural viewers. The first victim appears in the teaser before the title card, Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Sam (Jared Padalecki) are alerted to something strange in Stillwater, Michigan and pose as FBI agents to get information from the local police. Their first lead proves to be a red herring before they get on the trail of the real monster. After identifying the monster and how to kill it, they chase it down and do just that.
However, as with the best Supernatural episodes, this hunt resonates with much of what is transpiring between the brothers. At the center of the hunt are the two Pishtacos, a brother and sister and the sister’s husband. The sister has learned to control her appetite and pass easily as human but the brother cannot control his appetites and has had to be shoved further into the background away from the humans. Maritza’s love for her brother is what motivated her to try to help him, but he is ruled by his appetites and ruins the Spa for all of them and kills his sister’s husband to save himself. She tried to show him a better way, a way to co-exist. Given what we know of the spin-off, that it includes sympathetic monsters, Maritza is another sympathetic monster who simply wants to co-exist, much like Garth last week.
It’s no accident that Dean is placed in the kitchen with Alonso (Joseph Julian Soria) or that we see evidence of his appetites – he’s back on the whiskey, seemingly a bottle a night, and eats the pudding laced with drugs. In fact, Maritza (Anabelle Acosta) and Larry (Corey Sevier) place Dean in the kitchen because of his excessive zeal over fitness – Dean has a hard time blending in as “regular” folk.
There were lots of lighthearted moments. Dean wearing that hairnet and Sam teaching yoga was another one of them, and also demonstrated that Sam doesn’t blend in as well as he thinks he does either. I loved all the betrayed looks the spa-goers gave him as they exited the yoga class – they clearly had not expected to get a workout!
The theme of family comes up again at the end of the hunt. Dean is determined to make it a “family affair” and kill Maritza after everyone finally leaves. Sam tells Dean that she doesn’t deserve to die – certainly not for what her brother did. He tells Dean that he doesn’t want to kill her because he has a heart, implying, of course, that Dean does not. She might be a monster but she helped save them by telling them how to kill her brother. Sam draws the comparison to if a hunter had tried to kill him when he was possessed by Gadreel. It wasn’t Sam’s fault he was possessed after all – it was Dean’s, but would Sam have deserved to die? Dean can’t argue with Sam’s logic and agrees to let Maritza live as long as she goes back to Peru. However, it’s clear from the reaction on Ackles’ face, that Dean is aware of the irony here.
It was interesting that the victims were hollowed out by the monster – much as Sam was hollowed out by Gadreel. Maritza has just said that she is all alone now, and Acosta does a great job of showing how distraught she is over that. Is it possible, especially given the final scene that Dean views killing her as a mercy killing? Sparing her from being alone with no family left?
Maritza’s failing to see how her brother was different from her and trying to save him, ended in the deaths of a number of people. She failed to see his true nature or to deal with it. In many ways, Sam and Dean have suffered from this very failing. The theme of “honesty” running throughout the episode resonates with the importance of acknowledging the truth, even when that truth is unpleasant or hurtful.
There is another nice moment that resonates with the larger themes of the brothers. When they are explaining – as much as they can – to Sheriff Hanscum (Brianna Buckmaster) why they are “undercover,” she tells them why she’s at the spa. Hanscum’s husband left her because of her weight, saying she loved food more than him. Here again, her compulsive eating of the donuts which she shares with Dean, makes her an obvious comparison to him.
When she tells them her husband left her, Ackles and Padalecki do a wonderful job of conveying without words the brothers’ different reactions. Dean clearly identifies with her feelings of loss. Sam seems more embarrassed and uncomfortable – both agree that Doug was a dick. Dean also clearly identifies with her declaration that she was in a dark place and guzzled her pain away – much as he is doing with alcohol at the beginning and end of the episode. Buckmaster was a terrific guest star. I adored her homage to Frances McDormand’s portrayal of Sheriff Marge Gunderson in Fargo.
I’ve saved what will, no doubt, be the most debated scenes for the end of my review. The two main scenes are nicely bookended in the episode and both take place in the heart of any home – the kitchen – where Dean seems to have retreated. Both Padalecki and Ackles are outstanding in both these scenes.
In the first scene we see that Dean is not sleeping and has returned to self-medicating with alcohol. He’s stayed up all night watching movies, researching, and clearly drinking. As Dean leaves the kitchen, Sam stops him and asks if he’s alright. Dean pauses on the threshold and turns back denying that anything could be the matter. Sam asks if it was what he’d said before, not stating it, clearly wanting Dean to repeat it to him to prove that Dean had, in fact, heard him. Dean does repeat that Sam said they couldn’t be brothers anymore. Sam doesn’t correct Dean, proving what many wanted to deny, that that was what he meant. In true Dean fashion, Dean denies that he’s at all bothered by it – that he doesn’t break that easy. Sam tells Dean that its good he understands and that Sam was just being honest. Dean continues to try to deceive both Sam and himself that he doesn’t care.
Dean’s attempts to lash out at Sam are pretty juvenile at best, and while annoying, don’t have the impact of Sam’s honesty. He tells Sam he’s just being honest when he won’t let him questions the fitness employee because Sam is weird and awkward around girls. There’s also a nice contrast in the brother’s attitude toward honesty in that scene. Dean actually calls the victims correct weight as 180 when she’d listed it at 165 – saying that all women lie about their age and weight. Sam turns to Dean immediately and calls him on having told a waitress the previous week that he was 29. Dean just looks at him and agrees – not denying it, not necessarily seeing those ‘white’ lies as a bad thing. It’s no secret that Sam has never been comfortable with the lies they have to tell just to do their job – even in the “Pilot” he complains about them having to impersonate federal marshals, and his discomfort is also evident when he bumps into Sheriff Hanscum and he becomes completely flustered.
The fact that Sam may not be being completely honest with himself or Dean is also evident in how upset Sam gets when Dean is drugged. He almost takes the cook’s (Brendon Zub) head off. If Zub seemed familiar, you may remember him as Johnny Campbell in “Exile on Main St.” There’s another interesting juxtaposition of the two brothers that underscores Sam’s ability to maintain some innocence even in their world when he doesn’t recognize the roofies and Dean does. Dean returns the favor of Sam rescuing him by rescuing Sam from Alonso – in a scene that was very reminiscent of the many times Sam was rescued by Dean from being strangled in season one.
The final scene brings the brothers back together in the kitchen of the Bunker. Dean has just settled down with a new bottle, but he’s just opened it, so we can assume that what follows isn’t to be blamed on his being drunk. This time Dean stops Sam on the threshold by telling him that he saved him back at the Spa, just as he’d saved him at the Church and the hospital and telling him that he’d do it again. Sam then closes the gap and calls Dean on what Dean sees as his self-less drive to save his brother. Sam is not wrong to call Dean on saving Sam for selfish reasons – Dean’s fear of being alone. This isn’t news to anyone; we’ve known this since Dean told Sam this himself in season one.
Sam’s logic falters in assuming that things would be significantly better if Dean had let him die, however. Would Kevin still be alive? Would Metatron have grown bored and come to earth anyway, gunning for Kevin? In all likelihood, Dean would also be dead by now, killed at Abaddon’s hand. Sam’s assertion that Dean is willing to sacrifice as long as he’s not the one being hurt ignores several of Dean’s choices – foremost of which is selling his soul for Sam’s life in season two. Again, Dean may have been guilty of not seeing what that would do to Sam, but he knew what it would do to him.
However, Dean’s logic is flawed because he thinks he does things because they are “right.” But we’ve seen that Dean’s choices often turn out badly. This assertion also seems to fly in the face of Dean’s recent guilt over Kevin. Dean's belief that he helps more people than he hurts is also at the core of what keeps him going. This may be tough love on Sam's part to hurt his brother enough to really reach him, but it's still unclear exactly what Sam wants in the end. Perhaps it's as simple as Dean making better choices.
When Dean turns the honesty tables on Sam and says that if the tables were turned, Sam would do exactly the same thing to save him if he were dying, Dean does not get the answer he was expecting. He clearly expected that Sam would say yes. But Sam painfully admits that he wouldn’t. He tells Dean that he would not do anything to prevent Dean’s death. Sam gets up and leaves the kitchen at that point – leaving Dean both physically and spiritually alone. The final shot of Dean is Ackles’ acting at its finest as Dean’s devastation shines through. Really, this entire final scene is some of the best acting we’ve seen from both actors in the run of the series, making this a very powerful scene – which will no doubt spark some strong fan reaction.
“The Purge” clearly refers to the hunt, but it also refers to the brothers really purging their thoughts and feelings during the episode. We may not like what they’ve said, but given the emphasis on honesty throughout the episode, it seems we are meant to take their words as stated. What did you think of the episode? I’d love to hear your thoughts and opinions – I know there will be a lot of them. I urge you to be “honest” but respectful of each other’s opinions. Let me know what you thought in the comments below!
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As usual Lisa, your review is spot on. THANKS!
ReplyDeleteJust a few things. They both lied. Sam seems to forget he constantly lied about the demon blood. Dean lives the philosophy of "the ends justify the means" so his "white lies" are acceptable for the right result. The only part that gets me is Sam tends to preach and play the holier-than-thou attitude forgetting he is wrong and screws up often also. I think he's also out of line in saying he wouldn't try to save Dean had the roles been reversed. First it's not an answer you can provide until you are actually in that situation. We all "think" we know what we would do faced with sacrificing a loved one but it's completely different when it's actually taking place. Unfortunately I know this one from experience. Never preach what you haven't endured, or at least don't judge the decision and deem it wrong until you've been there yourself. Not trying to "stir the pot" here, just a little insight and personal opinions.
Thanks! And I agree. I have to believe that at least some of the reason Dean couldn't let Sam die in the church was due to Sam believing Dean hated him or felt let down by him - he couldn't be the reason Sam wanted to die. I will continue to maintain that if the last thing a person says to you before going on life support is that they want to live, you go with that - not the DNR they may have signed in the past. We also conveniently forget that Sam wouldn't let Dean say yes to Michael and sacrifice himself for the greater good. My reviews get too long as it is, but I always think of more points once people start popping on! Great points - and really, one of the best things about this show is that it does resonate with our real lives - thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteWhat would a person do when she finds out that her most beloved one is dying? Personally i would do anything.... I don't think that what Dean did is so hard to understand.Yes it is selfish somewhere but Sam did choose to live at the end of season 8... I think (hope) that we will be seeing Sam admit how wrong he was by the end of the season cause i'm guessing he will have to go very far himself to save Dean from that mark of Cain.
ReplyDeleteI've always had a special appreciation for Sam's character over Dean's because of his compassion, his humanity, the goodness of his heart no matter how hard was his own life. he always undestood the distress of others. Why can't he understand Dean's? Now I just feel he was ripped out of character and put in a place where he doesn't belong. People do change, grow up, evolve but they never loose their essence.
Unless the writing sucks in which case they loose what made them beloved characters. The episode was great up until they ruined it again with more brother's rift.
ReplyDeletethanks Lisa for your review is very interesting , I'm Just asking what Sam want ?? life or die , hunt or quit , to be with Dean or leave , i'm really confused in season 8 last episode he choose to live he choose to be with Dean and make same choice when he leave with dean and said to death no (in his head) in this season but now he is very different every episode try so hard to hurt Dean i don't now why . and the relationship get worse than before every day , why he still with Dean if he sure dean make wrong choices more than good why he keep hurt him why just decide to leave Dean , i don't know
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, it was Sam's heart and compassion that wouldn't let him kill Maritza. I think he's playing tough love here to break Dean out of this pattern. Dean himself ends up worse off when he makes these choices - his guilt over Kevin really lead him to take on the mark of Cain. But fundamentally, he and Dean are very different people. They always have been. I think much of what he said to Dean was cruel and I don't think Dean can understand Sam any more than Sam can understand Dean. There comes a point even with a beloved dog - and I'm almost crying writing this because I went through this recently - when you do have to say goodbye. Because that very special dog is never going to let go, he's going to fight to live no matter how painful that life may have become for him. Maybe this really does tie into their previous episode - and it really is that Dean is that loyal dog and Sam is a cat person - when cats are ready to go, they just go.
ReplyDeleteAt any rate, one of the reasons I've always related to Dean is that his brother doesn't get him. I've always been the odd one out in my family too. It doesn't mean that I don't love them or they don't love me - we just do it differently.
Thanks! I think for Sam, as I see it, is that he's trying to get Dean not to make those bad decisions. I think he may think that if he can get Dean to understand why Sam wouldn't do it for Dean, Dean will stop doing it for Sam. I think that somewhat ironically, Sam is doing the right thing in the wrong way - by hurting Dean as much as Dean can be hurt.
ReplyDeleteGreat Review! I think at the end of the day this show is only one hour long and to solve everything in one episode would make for a pretty boring season. I also think that in order to fix things with Dean and Sam they need to be taken down to the core. I am admittedly a Sam girl and adore Dean and the brothers relationship... but despite Sam's cruelty to Dean right now, it isn't any crueler than some of the stuff Dean has thrown at Sam. We just aren't used to a POV from Sam or for this type of behavior from Sam so of course we are hurt by it.
ReplyDeleteI can't see a scenario where Sam should have said yes that he would save Dean, otherwise his whole issue right now is moot.
I was very glad that Dean mentioned that he was researching the Mark of Cain! I wonder though if they will focus on the Angel/Demon war impending and leave the Mark for next season? or continue both into next season.
He's hurting us in the process :)
ReplyDeletei've had a bad feeling since"road trip"and with each episode this fear grows bigger,for dean,for sam and for that beautiful relationship we fell in love with so long ago.here's what i think would happen,they're breaking the brother's bond so when the time comes for sam to save dean from whatever consequences the mark of cain would cause dean would refuse.cause,hey, they're not brothers anymore and sam said himself that if dean was dying for a good cause he wouldn't interfere.i think that neither of them realize how deep their words cut into each other and that would come back to bite sam as it did dean in 'sacrifice'.
ReplyDelete-the truth might hurt but it isnt cruel
ReplyDelete-Sam might not save Dean the way Dean did in the same circumstances but he didnt say he wouldnt save Dean at all
the Mark of Cain think I think is going to be a slow build up for the finale and then carried on into next season for the consequences of what it means/happens in the finale
Yep. I agree.
ReplyDeleteVery true, I shouldn't have implied that Sam was cruel, because it didn't come across that way to me. I think I have read too many comments from everyone on its cruelty and kind of adopted that thought. It was a hard truth to swallow though.
ReplyDeleteMy bad!! :)
I expect we will see the mark become important in the Angel/Demon war and carry over into next season.
ReplyDeleteI've thought for a long time that the brothers' relationship was never what people valorized it as - it's always been co-dependent and dysfunctional. I'd like it to evolve into what we've always wanted it to be - that they accept and love each other, understanding their differences... I think you are right that we are heading to an issue where they are going to experience first hand what the other did - and hopefully that will get them past this 'rough patch.'
ReplyDeleteThis is one of the best reviews I have ever read. I loved all the comparisons between the brothers and the cast and how you described the themes throughout the plot. You were really unbiased between both brothers and I saw a very new point of view. Thanks so much!
ReplyDeletei think this way will destroying Dean, not help him, or worse! make him become like Cain :(
ReplyDeleteI agree!
ReplyDeleteYes. Completely agree. This also goes back to what Sam said in Slumber Party - they have a completely different version of home because they were actually raised very differently. Part of what makes this so hard is that they are both partially right and both partially wrong. It was never right for Dean to define himself and his worth by his ability to protect and save his brother but that was what he was told again and again - including just before John died in season two...
ReplyDeleteThanks! I think they'd moved so far beyond a workable dysfunctional relationship in seasons 6 and 7 that we need to see it evolve into something else. These are guys in their 30s now, not their 20s - regardless of Dean's wishful thinking - LOL! We change as we get older and I'd like to see that reflected in their relationship - I'd like to see Dean have some self worth - of course, everything Sam said last night isn't going to help on that front at all. I try very, very hard to see each brother's pov, but much of what Sam said last night was just so hurtful. And Sam knows what he's seeing - Dean not sleeping and downing a bottle a night - Sam knows that's Dean at his most self destructive, which made it even worse that he just kept hammering at him.
ReplyDeleteThere was a lot to love in that episode though - I agree - Dean drugged and Sam's reactions were a definite highlight!
I agree - John laid Sam in Dean's arms and that has been a driving force for Dean that Sam just can't seem to understand. But as Sam said, he was essentially raised very differently - see his remarks in "Slumber Party" on why he views family differently.
ReplyDeleteAs to your second paragraph - I've said the exact same thing in my review... so we are in agreement there too.
Wow. Thank you so much! You've made my year!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, it's not about Dean being alone, it's about Sam living happily, just in the previous season Dean told Sam to go have his normal life w/ Amelia.
ReplyDeleteAlmost all of the things Sam said in the end was out of line, I'm not sure if he was talking about the Dean Winchester we know for 9 years or another character.
I have this theory, Carver wasn't pleased w/ how Dean is always so overprotective toward Sam, and thought we never saw the same dedication from Sam, so he decided to open Dean's eyes to see what a terrible brother Sam is, so he tones down the affection and be a person for himself. Now the question is if he thought like that, why didn't he make Sam more caring... exactly what's good in a pair of uncaring brothers who are 'coexisting' to save other people?
I know some writer on twitter was saying that this time Dean went too far and they had to tell him so. In past some fans were complaining that Dean is always right, so maybe this time they are doing the same thing for Sam. They are trying to show us that he is right, but I think it's kind of backfiring, because Sam looks so cruel right now. He said some stuff in the past I didn't agree with, but this time it was just mean.
ReplyDeleteCathy - I think what you said put it into perspective for me. Having heard both Sam and Dean's side I think they both have a point. I also agree that what they SAY and what they actually would DO would be different because you don't really know what your actions will be until you are actually in that situation. I think they would act on instinct, which is to save each other - no matter what. I don't think Sam could actually just stand there and watch his brother die.
ReplyDeleteGood comparisons you had there, thanks for the review.
ReplyDeleteI have this problem w/ your tough love or what some people say that Dean needed these harsh talking.... No he did NOT. Exactly when it was decided that Sam is the wiseman sage of the show, who not only saved himself from the unhealthy clutches of brotherhood, he has a step-by-step plan ready for Dean to guide him too?!! I really can't detect any good intention behind Sam's behavior:
-- He wants Dean to have more self-esteem? Well you don't tell your brother who feels guilty for every wrong in the world that he had done more harm. You don't say you wouldn't be the same brother he was to you, what can this unrequited brotherly love accomplish? Anyone would think I'm that unworthy that even my brother wouldn't give a damn about me.
-- He sees the greater value, saving people, hunting things? Wasn't it his problem w/ John? He was always complaining he cared about hunting more than his kids, now how come hunting became more important than family. What's good in this job if you can't even save your family?
-- He wants to prevent horrible consequences? I can accept it about possession, though no one can be sure where every step we take can lead us to. You're this hell bent about Kevin, the poor boy you left in Crowley's hands to perish? Exactly how much beating you need to give Dean to be satisfied? Don't you have any 'heart', any forgiveness?
But sth like closing the gates? The reasons Dean mentioned in the church was pretty acceptable, not to mention I don't trust the tablets anyway, and Sam himself chose to live. Beside he never showed any remorse about the people who were killed by demons during S9, the same time Dean felt guilty about it, Sam stated he was pretty happy w/ his life.
All in all, nothing can justify such cruel behavior, telling your only family you're not brothers, or writing all his efforts and sacrifices off as selfishness. I don't know why they're living together anyway? You're both excellent hunters, go do your solo gig or sth.
People say Sam will eventually save Dean from the mark and redeem himself... I doubt it, and honestly I don't want Dean to be indebted to someone who sees their bond and saving him so disdainfully. The mess Carver created won't get solved by these things.
I think all Sam is wanting is for Dean to realize that there are some lines you just don't cross and to try and get Dean to understand that he did cross a line by letting a angel possess him and at some point you have to realize you have done went to far but Dean does not understand and will not admit that he has done anything wrong and think that's what is making Sam so mad that Dean doesn't think he did anything wrong! I don't think Sam was being cruel in telling dean that if the situation was reversed that he wouldn't do the same thing because of course I think Sam would and always will look out for his brother and try to save him I just think he was saying he wouldn't go as far as letting something possess his brother without him knowing. Sam is trying to get Dean to understand this but he will not listen so I think Sam thinks that being a little cold to Dean is the only way to get Dean to understand and listen. I know a lot of people r always complaining about oh one brother has a better storyline or this brother is being a ass to the other but they have always had there differences and have always fought since the very first season that's just part of the show they get pissed at each other and then they will get over it and Yeah i don't always like some of the storylines and yes I am not happy when they have the boys fighting but they always get over it. At the end of the day I am just happy the show is still on and we get to see another episode!
ReplyDeleteIf that's what Sam is trying to do, it may be helpful for him to actually explain why he wouldn't make the same decision under the same circumstances. Sam tends to just trail off (IMO) and not complete his thoughts. It's quite annoying. Not sure why the writers insist on writing him in this way. I do find it funny that Jared (per his tweet last night) thinks Sam's a jerk sometimes!
ReplyDeleteWell we do know Sam would not try and find Dean if he just disappears, at least not in Carver's world. So I am putting SPN into 2 different series, the first 7 years that I love and the Carver years. I did not like 8 AT ALL because of what Carver did to Sam and this season is going in the same vein. To keep me from going nuts, I am forgetting about the other 7 years when I watch Carver's world. lol Canon, what is canon?
ReplyDeleteGood review, I always enjoy seeing if I missed something. ;)
Sorry about your dog :-(
ReplyDeleteWhere was his heart and compassion for Benny?
ReplyDeleteVery true - distracted by jealousy I think...
ReplyDeleteI actually think he was completely clear. If I have to resort to some supernatural shenanigans to save you, I won't do it.
ReplyDeleteGreat review, as always. I agree that last scene shows why these 2 actors should have many Emmys on their mantles and why the writers and directors also should have many awards. I liked that we had a Monster of the Week reminiscent of season 1 and that she was allowed to live. The pain between the brothers was palpable. I was on Twitter discussing with other fans and we all felt Dean's utter despair at Sam's answer. The writers have definitely set up a situation that will keep the dedicated fans coming back to see some kind of resolution.
ReplyDeleteI agree that that is what Sam is doing, but I don't believe he has to be cold about it and say they can't be brothers. I firmly believe that Sam could say, hey, I love you, but because I love you, I won't cross this line. All he's saying is, I won't cross this line and I don't want us to be brothers anymore...
ReplyDeleteAnd agreed - we may all want to complain, but I will still be devastated when they announce the last season...
Thanks! For me, there is the five years of show and then 2 years of very bad fan fiction, and then 2 years of trying to salvage something from the wreckage...
ReplyDeleteThe other funny thing is that Jensen (per Cons) thinks that Dean is an a**hole.
ReplyDeleteI don't disagree with anything you say here. I'm simply trying to find an explanation for Sam's behavior - possible explanation - and present both sides. Frankly, both brothers have faults and neither is 100% right or wrong. I do agree that Sam was unnecessarily harsh. But let's face it, the brother's relationship was broken before Carver came on the scene - not saying that he's done a stellar job at repairing it either. I'm with you on hoping that it isn't a simple case of Sam saving Dean - let's, just once, have them work equally?
ReplyDeleteAnd he also says that he is fiercely protective of him...
ReplyDeleteDefinitely. After all, what does he have to lose if he's already lost same, in his opinion. Might as well go down taking as many evil SOBs as he can in the process. Remember Season 3.
ReplyDeleteI really, and truly, hope you are right.
ReplyDeleteThanks! And agreed. I tried to get screen captures of both from that scene - not the best and nothing ever seems to capture Jensen's performance in a still - but at least an idea of how great that scene was. I think we've actually had some of the best interactions between them in seasons...
ReplyDeleteI completely second this as well.
ReplyDeleteThanks. Monday is 6 months and I still miss him every day.
ReplyDeleteTalk is cheap. Perhaps when push comes to shove, and the situation is
ReplyDeleteindeed reversed, he won't be able to let his brother go (though I do
hope, he does. Cos someone needs to end that cycle).
Let's not forget that Sam is not unlike his father; something that Dean himself
had pointed out in earlier seasons, saying that Sam is most like their
dad (while they burned Adam's corpse / season 5). Sam said he took it as
a compliment, Dean didn't know what to make of it, but he knew it, Sam
is more like John than Dean would ever be.
And what had his father done before? Well, he took the moral highground in Season 1 and lectured Sam repeatedly on how ending the Yellow Eyed Demon even when it
compromised family came first. He scolded Sam for not shooting him when
he was possessed by YED, even went as far as blaming Sam for Dean's
condition in In My Time of Dying, told him that if he'd shot the demon (even if it meant killing John), his brother would be alive, not lying half-dead in the other room, and his mother would be avenged. Theyfought, Sam told him to go to hell.
But ...
When it was up to John, he couldn't make the decision he so wanted Sam to make. He not only put down his life to save Dean (essentially putting family
above all), but he also handed the Colt to YED, compromising his own
sons in the process. One could argue, it was a very selfish decision.
Their mom, Mary, once made a similar mistake, that one might also argue is
the reason the brothers are in this terrible mess more than three
decades later. To get John back, she made a deal with YED, back in the
70s (1979?); she'd let him in Sammy's room five years later, if he
brought John back then. It was another bad decision; it seems this
family is not immune to them.
When it comes down to Sam, will he be able to stir the destiny of this family towards something else, perhaps make the "right" decision, and put family second when bigger things (the fate of the world even) is at stake? I hope so. Not just for
the world. But for the brothers too. Maybe this will be the thing that finally fixes them.
I think I appreciate this episode more after reading your review than I did when i watched it, as it seemed "meh" to me. Better than last week's effort, but not exactly memorable. However, you do a great job of teasing out relevant elements.
ReplyDeleteSo, Sam confirms he really did mean it about not being brothers. Hmmm.
Buckets full of human fat being eaten by monsters: closest to throwing up I've come watching TV in a LOOOOONNNNNG time! :p
I know. It's funny that the actors have the same mixed emotions about the characters that we do and yet are just as protective of them.
ReplyDeleteAs I said in the other thread, I think it is very likely that the only thing Dean heard from that conversation was that Sam wouldn't save him, that Dean does more harm than good, that Dean is selfish, and that Sam doesn't like him very much. To me, that makes sense b/c Sam didn't try to frame his points in a way that Dean could understand and truly hear what he was saying.
ReplyDeleteAs I mentioned in the other thread, Sam could have mentioned the Doc Benton situation and Dean's resistance to Sam's plan to illustrate his point perfectly, but clearly, the writers didn't want the boys to have an actual conversation or take a step toward resolving their issues b/c it's too soon in the schedule for all that.
He certainly can be.
ReplyDeleteI hope so. Hopefully it won't just be resolved at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteI think the main point is that even if Sam's intentions are good in the fact that he's trying to get Dean to understand that there are some lines that shouldn't be cross, his particular 'tough love' method is not the way to go with Dean. This goes back to the fundamental differences between their personalities and how they were raised. Because of the excessive tough love that Dean always received from John and how much importance John placed on Dean being his brother's savior, Dean really cannot act different than he has. He has based most of his self worth on this because that was his most important skill from the age of 5 and more than likely what he built his entire self esteem on. The fact that his brother, and only living family, throws it right back on his face as completely unnecessary and definitely unwanted will of course shatter what little self worth is left in Dean after Dean has finished with his own self flagellation over the numerous mistakes he's made and people he let down.
ReplyDeleteI fully believe that Dean getting the Mark of Cain was part of a penance for how he'd let everyone down (Sam, Kevin and Cas). Like Crowley said, no one can hate Dean more than Dean does. And for Sam to say Dean what he does because he simply doesn't want to be alone is an extreme slap in the face, and I speak from personal experience as I've been told the same thing by family members that I would have done anything for because I loved them that much. Dean has been alone before and would be again if Sam told him that was the way he wanted it. Yes, I sincerely believe that.
To clarify, though, I am only stating that if Sam is saying these things as part of a tough love campaign to make Dean mature, or whatever, he's doing it the wrong way, IMHO. The words being used are merely damaging Dean's already severely damaged psyche. In Sam's defense, these words would probably work if he was talking to himself or someone like him, so once again, we are back to these brothers are completely different individuals, with different backgrounds, different motivations, and different drives, which is why we all love them so differently.
I see Sam's words in this episode making Dean even more reckless and more determined to take chances. I think he's going to embrace the Mark in the end, for better or worse.
I think that Sam was mostly talking about Dean's decision to revive him via Gadreel. I wish the writing had been clearer.
ReplyDeleteFor me there's two really good years, and then a lot of bumper cars gone wild ever since.
ReplyDeleteI think this is one of your best reviews. I liked the episode, or most of it after a rocky start, but thought most of the reviews might just describe it as filler or focus only on the Sam and Dean scene at the end. You went into a lot of detail and showed both sides of the POV for both brothers.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know the cook was one of the Campbells. No wonder Sam manhandled him.
Sorry about your dog.
Did I miss the other thread or was I not paying attention? I completely agree that that is what Dean heard. Doc Benton is an absolutely fantastic example! You're right, that could have helped a lot. I wonder if, in hindsight, given how much trouble ensued from Dean not letting Sam go to great lengths to save him, if Dean would be more willing to try something more desperate now. Of course, the desperate measures that Dean didn't want Sam to take are exactly the ones he took when Dean wasn't around anyway... Sorry, I'm stuck in a season 3 loop now...
ReplyDeleteThanks! And thanks. One of the things I like about reviewing is that it makes me really look at what's going on and sometimes, I find things I didn't expect to - as I did in this episode.
ReplyDeleteI was just referring to the "Poll" thread. I am not sure if you've been reading the comments there, but I've basically been arguing that Sam's point was likely lost in the harshness of his words. If he wants Dean to understand his POV, he will need to, IMO, temper his language. Dean can't focus on the idea behind Sam's words if the words cut right to the heart.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I think it was a pointless "talk." Nothing was accomplished in that conversation. And I assume Sam was hoping to accomplish something when he chatted w/Dean. If his hope was to make Dean see what is "broken," then he failed, largely b/c of how he framed his issues.
The larger point is the writers are skirting around the issue. They aren't getting at the heart of the issue, probably b/c they want to save it for the finale so I wish they would do just that: save it for the finale. Maybe then Sam's POV will be fully fleshed out.
Yeah, I agree. Dean had already made that decision though with Lucifer when he went with Sam's plan of allowing him to be possessed and accepted it. The only problem was when Sam came back without a soul. I think Dean will do anything to ever make that mistake again. I find it disheartening that the writers take bits and pieces out of the history of the show only to bring them back when needed. Other times they ignore them completely.
ReplyDeleteAh - yes. I try not to read the other threads before I write my review so I'm not influenced by them - if that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with everything you say here. Sam would get through to Dean better if he understood him more clearly.
I'm sure they are saving the brothers' reconciliation for closer to the finale at any rate if not the finale itself. I do hope that they don't suddenly pull a complete 180 with one of them as they did with Sam last season...
Good point - Dean isn't the only one to put family first. I wonder if Sam ever really considers that.
ReplyDeleteAgree!
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean, I tried so hard to find a hidden meaning in this harshness from S8, but these 2 last episodes proved me it was just wishful thinking, I decided to stop my denial and accept that this is the new Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteI just hope they both reach a middle ground in this love/care range and it doesn't turn out that Sam's hurtful dismissal of family affection is the right thing.
Fair point.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't that be unrealistic of anyone? Dean HURT Sam. He did something to Sam that he knew would be devastating, and he has yet to say he is sorry for it. He even says he would do it again. So why is it Sam's responsibility to bridge that gap, especially with the hurt so new? Sam has every right to be angry, and right now that anger is manifesting as coldness. That is something he will work through in time but to expect it now, especially with Dean not expressing any regret, doesn't really take into account the 9 episodes that Sam spent possessed by an angel that Dean tricked into him.
ReplyDeletePeter I think the writing is deliberately off so that they can introduce the mark of Cain. The only person that can push Dean over the edge is his brother. I have a feeling that Sam has just ordered a fat big bowl of 'eat your own words'
ReplyDeleteLate to the party because I just saw the show. It wasn't that bad of an episode, except in all areas where the boys were concerned. Both said some pretty silly things...things that just prove that they totally don't see or understand each other anymore. I kind of got stuck on the end scene, though. Dean telling Sam that the choices he made "was the right thing," was a slap in the face to his brother who is still hurting and feeling betrayed. I think Dean really does see it as the right thing...or more acuretely the ONLY thing he could have done in that situation, but stating it like that just proves he doesn't understand where Sam's frustration is coming from. Sam's response, however, had me scratching my head and thinking " what the hell?" First of all, telling Dean that he is good at playing hero when he is not the one being hurt? That is perhapse one of the craziest things I've ever heard him say. Dean is CONSTANTLY being hurt in his quest to protect his brother...physically and emotionally. Just one example...killing Benny in order to save Sam...something he NEVER received thanks for, by the way. Also, Sam's thoughts that Dean only saved him for selfish reasons...because he doesn't want to be alone. I will admit that is part of it, but not the ONLY reason. Does Sam even know his brother? Then there came Sam's parting shot. I just don't get why he is trying so hard to convince Dean that he doesn't care one whit about him. To me, he's mad and hurt, and so he is tearing into everything that Dean has to hold on to. He is literally DESTROYING his brother. At this point, I wish they would both just seperate because honestly, they stopped being true brothers a while ago.
ReplyDeleteAfter having a day or so to think about it, I feel as though Dean asking that of Sam and Sam responding to him "same circumstances no I wouldn't" is probably a foreshadowing of what's to come. And Sam will of course save Dean...
ReplyDeleteYes, I understand that :-)
ReplyDeleteSo much yes on this comment. I'm surprised the one time Sam put out raw, real emotion on how he feels about this, he's crapped on because it made Dean "feel bad". How in the hell do you think SAM feels about what was done to him? Honestly, I get Dean's issues, I do. He's gonna have to learn to let go one day, we've seen how this obsession with doing anything, even something he knows Sam would NEVER approve of (possession), to save his brother is contributing to killing their relationship. I still stand behind my statement Sam's being blunt because 1) he's pissed, with ever right to be and 2) if he doesn't get straight to the point, Dean's not going to let him have his say.
ReplyDeleteLike times infinity.
ReplyDelete-but he didnt say he wouldnt save Dean at all-
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that's how people are interpreting that, though.
The Benny thing always confused the hell of me. I think Carver was just writing Sam OOC on the issue because it was the only way to create drama.
ReplyDeleteI took it to mean he would not make a DEAL to save Dean, not that he would not help in a hunt and save him from normal stuff.
ReplyDeleteCanon and back story means nothing to Carver, this is the NEW CARVER SPN.
ReplyDeleteIf his not even bothering to look if Dean was dead or alive in S8 is any indicative, I's say he wouldn't go out of his way to try anything, deal or no deal. This is Carver's Sam, I just hope he reconsider this new characterization.
ReplyDeleteWell with Carver you never know what he is going to pull out of his a$$. Totally ruined the brother love for me and that is what hooked me in the first place all those many years ago.
ReplyDeleteIt was a really good episode, had a mixture of comedy in it.
ReplyDeleteThe boys' relationship is abit brutal, but whether we like it or not that's their opinion. Right at the end Sam comment had got me wondering. I think Sam said that because he dosen't want to give that shock factor he got from pretty much coming back from the comatosed death.
Regardless that really winded Dean with that. I like his standpoint on bringing Sam back and yes he dosen't like to be alone but the main reason he brought Sam back because he was his brother and that wasn't the right way to go.
Just because they don't have good terms didn't mean they don't care about each other. Like Sam panicked when he saw Dean drugged and Dean helped out Sam fighting that monster off.
Despite their honesty at least they are still talking!. I do hope the fighting does simmers down but its a good sign that they haven't split up because they obviously still want to be brothers even :)