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Feb 9, 2014

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  1. JulietFebruary 10, 2014 at 3:32 AM

    I know I'm biased. But I think this is my favorite episode thus far! :) I just loved it a whole lot. And there were a LOT of scenes that I've re-watched multiple times.


    D'Artagnan/Constance: I mean, can we say superb story telling for these two? I LOVED all their scenes a whole lot. I love that they grew so much closer. And that he promised that he'd be truly honest with her from now on. I love that he protected her from another man. We've seen Constance always protect D'Artagnan. So it was a nice change to see him being the protector. Their trust and closeness is building beautifully. And of course, I LOVED the scene where he was teaching her how to shoot. They were smiling and happy. We need more scenes like this where you see them truly falling in love with each other. I HOPE we'll also get scenes of D'Artagnan teaching Constance how to sword fight. I can imagine those scenes will be equally epic. As a huge fan of this pairing, I'm just THRILLED with this episode.


    Also, I feel like we've really seen who these musketeers are. We've learned so much about each of them thus far. Next new episode will focus more on Porthos, which is amazing. But I already feel like I know the characters pretty nicely. I like the writing on this show. And the cast is obviously strong. You just like everyone because the writing is so powerful.

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  2. Patrick MaloneyFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM

    Great

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  3. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 7:46 AM

    It's worth watching. :)

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  4. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 8:09 AM

    I liked the episode. More of Treville. More of the political atmosphere, character motivations, etc.. Lots of punching… and lunging and lashing out while being held back by others... which is often fun for me. :)


    Other observations:

    1. Santiago Cabrera gave a good performance. I particularly liked when he was talking to d’Artagnan by the well and explaining that Marsac felt that he should have died in the massacre too. I got the sense that Aramis could have been talking about himself as much as he was talking about Marsac just then. (Thus, if we do want to take Aramis's jumping on that bomb in Sleight of Hand as his having just a little bit of a death wish, this is easily where it could have come from.)

    2. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I disliked it when Constance complained that d’Artagnan had chosen Aramis over her. Primarily because I have a dislike for the cliché of demanding stratification in friendships (both in real life and in fiction). In my view it always comes across as childish.

    Yes, d’Artagnan and Aramis should have told her the truth from the beginning, but also, there are things that as a soldier, particularly as a soldier attached to this unite (even if he is not yet commissioned a musketeer) that d’Artagnan will be required to keep from Constance, even perhaps in her own home, and his loyalty to that duty and brotherhood shouldn’t be considered a choice against her.


    I would have much rather had Constance call him on the fact that telling her the truth from the beginning in this case, was warranted (she's proved her ability to back them up and keep their secrets) and did not mean she expected him to stop being loyal to Aramis or the Musketeers.

    The rest of their story this episode fit for me though. It was interesting to see d’Artagnan teach Constance to shoot. It makes me wonder if that will come back around and come in handy for her later in the season.

    3. The Duchess of Savoy plot worked for me too. The line/line delivery that gave me the biggest chuckle was Porthos saying, “So, not your average duchess then,” right after she took out the prison guard. Nice.

    Finally, Athos being in the exact circumstances to see the Duke of Savoy remove his shirt so they could see the scar on the Duke’s back was a little overly convenient, but it’s cool, I’ll roll with it.



    On the whole, excellent episode. I enjoyed it, and as always, will be looking forward to where they go next.

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  5. LouFebruary 10, 2014 at 8:42 AM

    The show is definitely getting better every week, at first it was my guilty pleasure but the last two episodes were actually pretty good. As an Aramis fan I was delighted by this episode!

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  6. sharonallyFebruary 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM

    I do like the writing on this show and that the main characters all get a pov and this was no different. It was good to see some backstory on Aramis and the Duchess sl worked and a do believe she loves her husband. The end was sad but inevitable when his friend died but like Aramis said 'his spirit died in that forest' .

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  7. swanprideFebruary 10, 2014 at 2:36 PM

    A great episode...but I still feel a little bit lost, and I think I can finally put the finger on the reason why:
    Every episode so far has been about the past of the characters. Which is a good way to establish them. But what the show lacks is some sort of goal for the heroes. In the book, it is all about D'Artagnan proving himself and becoming a Musketeer. Not the best goal but it worked as a steady narrative. The books were also very specific that the Cardinal was a danger for the Musketeers and it was therefor necessary, to limit his influence on the king as much as possible.
    What exactly are the goals of the characters in the book? So far, we only learned where they came from but not where they want to be. The Cardinal, while a scheming bastard in the first episode, seems now to be pretty content with working with the Musketeers when it is convenient and ignoring them when it isn't.
    Hopefully this will change, soon. The foundation is really good (still not sold on Mylady, though), but the show needs a more clear direction.

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  8. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    I look forward to your write up of the episode Bailey, it's always a great read!


    I liked the scene by the well too, it was one of the first exposition set pieces that really worked for a change I felt, many of them have been pretty clumsy so far and have been one of the few criticisms I have had of the series as a whole. Maybe the characters are more into their roles now, or the writers are more comfortable with the roles, I dunno but it definitely came across better.


    I too found Constance a bit sulky, she surely must understand that the King's guard must have to keep some secrets from her due to the nature of their job? And for her to aim her anger at D'Artagnan over the other three was a bit much for me too, that's exactly the kind of shippery drama I can do without. Though, to be fair, it could have been worse, I hope that is as far as the show is going to go with their will they/won't they affair. I know that it is part of the books so it I guess it has to be part of the show, but it really isn't something I'm that interested in seeing, though I know other will.


    Overall I liked how they played the political side of things in this story, and how the good guys will sometimes suffer great loses and how that f**** some of them up. Makes for very interesting characters imo. I also liked that the Cardinal had to rely on the Musketeers to save his neck at the prison at the end of the day, though I would have liked to have seen his rage in private afterwards at having to have had to maybe. I still think that he is being very underused at present, and not really being seen as much of a threat to anyone. I'm hoping that in episode 6, with Louis's mother back in town, that we will get to see more of what he is capable of. The two of them had a very interesting relationship, and brought out the worst in each other in some ways, so it seems like a good opportunity to finally bring out the evil in him.

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  9. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

    It's improving with each episode isn't it. I really wasn't sure I'd like it from the trailer, seemed to be full of too many clever one liners and a bit clichéd, but I'm glad I stuck with it.

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  10. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

    I hope we get to see the Duchess again, would be a shame now we now that she's such an important spy for her to never be brought up again.

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  11. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    I think you've hit the nail on the head there, esp with the Cardinal, I really don't think of him as an evil man at all. Apart from the first episode he really hasn't been seen controlling the King much at all either, if anything Anne has the greater influence over him as far as we can tell. It's all a bit villain of the week at present, which probably has a lot to do with it, I wonder if that will be the set formula throughout the run of the series or if more future goals will be set for the characters?

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  12. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:28 PM

    I'm glad you liked the Constance/D'Artagnan scenes, I liked the shooting one and I think she'll make a fierce sword fighter too, I can see her doing a Maid Marion thing in future episodes and going under cover to help unfortunates maybe.


    The four of them seem to get on pretty well don't they, you can feel a bond between them, like you say it's good casting! Can't wait to see the Porthos episode, looks like it will be great fun!

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  13. sharonallyFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    I hope so too I liked the character .

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  14. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

    I think it's worth watching, probably worth giving it a few episodes if you're unsure after the first one as it does get stronger and stronger as it goes on. The stories are becoming more complex and the characters really start to grow on you as you get to know them.

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  15. swanprideFebruary 10, 2014 at 8:24 PM

    The point was, though, that this wasn't an official mission. It was something Aramis did even though it was very close to violating his oaths, and if the fugitive had been found in her house she and her husband would have been in big trouble. It is also logical that she is mostly angry with d'Artagnan, considering that she helped him before and he should know that she should trust him. So I am basically okay with it...only when she demanded of him that she wanted to learn how to shoot and have fun, too, I was a little bit confused...because of her accent, I first understood "cheat". I only got it when she got her lesson (though, really, muskets are really not made for precise shootings, they are mostly there to aim, shoot and maybe you'll hit one of the three man standing in front of you).

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  16. SandiFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:18 PM

    I meant in general rather than in this circumstance as such, he's just not going to always be open and honest with her about his job, and it's right that he shouldn't be so. In this story, I think perhaps he should have had a line saying to the others that she should know the truth for the reasons you've said, but in general he has the right to keep secrets from her when national security is an issue.

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  17. JulietFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:24 PM

    I would love to see Constance be a sort of 5th Musketeer! I truly hope we'll actually see D'Artagnan teaching Constance how to sword fight. Fans loved their shooting lesson scene a lot on twitter. So I'm sure everyone will be equally happy with a sword fighting lesson as well!

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  18. JulietFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:29 PM

    I respectfully disagree about your Constance comment. Honestly, if an "attempted" assassin/criminal was renting a room in my home, I'd want to know. It would be my right to know because he's so close in proximity to me. Especially, in this case, where it is such a small home. Where she'd be around Marsac 24/7. She should have been told for her own safety and protection. I mean, we saw what happened later when Marsac tried to force himself on her. So I get her anger. D'Artagnan did put her at risk. Even, he later admitted that. And I also get why she was more upset with D'Artagnan. They've closely bonded, and she has actually saved his life a few times. So of course, she was going to take it personally that he was dishonest. Loyalty or not. It was her safety on the line, here. And also, she has proven to be loyal to him time and time again. I don't know where he would be right now if she hasn't protected him quite a few times!

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  19. swanprideFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    It's certainly worth to take a look, especially if you are into well choreographed fight scenes.

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  20. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM

    Respectfully, that wasn’t my point, nor what I said.


    I agreed that Constance had the right to know what was going on and should have been told from the beginning in these circumstances. To quote from my comment:

    “I would have much rather had Constance call him on the fact that telling her the truth from the beginning in this case, was warranted (she's proved her ability to back them up and keep their secrets) and did not mean she expected him to stop being loyal to Aramis or the Musketeers.”

    She had every right to be upset and angry in this case. My only issue was with the approach she took in that one momentary argument - insisting that there be a hierarchy in loyalty, and that in the future d’Artagnan be required to choose his loyalty to her *over* his loyalty to them, is problematic in the least. There will be times when he (legitimately) will not be able to tell her things, and I’d prefer she be portrayed with the understanding that loyalty to the Musketeers, and even to his friendships, is not considered a choice against her.

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  21. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    And use of actual muskets by Musketeers. :)

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  22. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 11:12 PM

    And I always look forward to yours (pre and post write-ups, of course).


    I agree with you - some of the exposition has been clumsily presented in the past. It worked better for me in this episode, though. I have noticed that in times of emotional distress Aramis/Santiago Cabrera has a thing for his hat. ;)


    As for Shippery drama, if it's there, I want it to be logical and... I don't know the right word here... maybe, mature? I don't go for contrived drama, anything that portrays those involved as lacking the understanding their character would normally have. And you're right, it could have been much worse. It was really just that moment of *you chose Aramis over me?* that niggled at me. I would have liked to see her handle the complaint differently.


    The Cardinal is completely underused so far. I could say loads about this, but you said it better and more succinctly. Thanks.

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  23. BaileyFebruary 10, 2014 at 11:27 PM

    This is such a good point, and I wish I had time to just discuss it, because this is... an excellent point. So far, the bad guys, Cardinal and Milady, have done little more than skulk, and/or even when they've been doing evil things, I don't sense an endgame from them, nor any sense that they are a real threat to the Musketeers.


    It'd be great to have a sense of that sort of end game or pursuit from the Musketeers also. Aramis, now knowing the Cardinal is the one who actually created the circumstances for his men to be killed (let alone him not knowing about Adele yet) should have more reason to hate him, and to start... I don't know, something. If not plotting against him... investigating him. Anything. And I'd like to see the Cardinal actually do something against them that builds the conflict. It's all so far in the background I don't get the sense that any of them are working towards anything.


    Maybe I would just like to see a bit more of a direct chess-match (metaphorically obviously) on the show. I don't want mustache-twirling villains, but I do want to see plots and threats from them to our actual heroes.

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  24. magilFebruary 10, 2014 at 11:57 PM

    Nice touch. It is cool to see that in this show.

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  25. magilFebruary 10, 2014 at 11:59 PM

    They do keep getting better and better. Still waiting for the Cardinal to be more fleshed-out and to actually do something to (Aramis) the Musketeers.

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  26. magilFebruary 11, 2014 at 12:13 AM

    I'm like totally and completely biased with Santiago Cabrera but I like the idea of Aramis with a little bit of death wish. Loved that this episode went deeper into his past. Have they ever said on this show how long the "Three Musketeers" have been together? Did Athos and Porthos come along after the slaughter with Aramis and his men, or would they have just been in different units?


    I agree with you about Constance. I think she did have a right to know and they should have told her, but I wish she'd just said that, instead of making it about her vs. Aramis. Those kind of comments always remind me of kids on a playground arguing about who is their "first" best friend and "second" best friend. It shouldn't be a choice of one over the other, but maybe just the better way to go about it. When Athos called out Aramis and D'Artagnan on the fact that they were hiding something, D'Artagnan said, "If you don't tell them, I will," and he wasn't being disloyal to Aramis for saying so. He should have taken a similar approach with Constance. It just shouldn't be a choice between them, or between her and The Musketeers. Really didn't like that part.


    On the other hand, I liked the Duchess of Savoy. Hope we see her again.

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  27. magilFebruary 11, 2014 at 12:17 AM

    This is a good point. National security and being a soldier is going to require him to keep things from her in the future. I got the feeling they were setting up other future conflicts when he promised this to her. Really, he's not going to be able to tell her everything, even when he wants to. I also get the feeling that the thing with Milady may come into play here. Will he tell Constance more about her if she shows up again, or will he lie to her?

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  28. magilFebruary 11, 2014 at 12:24 AM

    He totally has a thing for his hat. lol

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  29. BaileyFebruary 11, 2014 at 2:30 AM

    That's a good question. I don't remember if the show has ever said how long each of them have been in the Musketeers, but now I'd like to know.

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  30. JulietFebruary 11, 2014 at 9:55 AM

    Sorry, I misunderstood your comment! I do have to say that this Musketeer business/experience is all new to Constance. It's not like she knows much about what they are allowed to say/not say when it comes to their jobs/situations. Plus, if you think about it, Aramis didn't tell Athos/Porthos at first what was going on, either. And he's loyal to them. When feelings are involved, choices are made. And you don't always follow the "protocol." She took it personally that D'Artagnan didn't tell her what was going on because she has saved his life quite a few times. I think she has earned his trust/honesty over the Musketeers (from her point of view). When D'Artagnan was in trouble in the pilot, she was the first one to help him. Before the Musketeers learned to trust him/include him, she was the first one on his side. So I do understand her point of view. That she is concerned that he doesn't consider her to be equal to the Musketeers. Also, keep in mind that she has romantic feelings for D'Artagnan. So of course, it's natural for someone who has strong feelings for another person to want to be first in their lives...I mean, she puts him first, from everything we've seen so far. She even stood up for him against her husband, thus taking his side over her husband's...


    It's a journey. I'm sure as the episodes go on, Constance will become more aware of how the Musketeer business/situation works.


    Also, to add, I think the loyalty conversation was there for a reason. In the BBC description, it says that later on, Constance will be tested in terms of whether her loyalty is to D'Artagnan or to her husband.

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  31. JulietFebruary 11, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    Sandi, will you also get to see the next episode this week? If so, will you post another write up? :) :) I can't believe we have to wait that long for another episode. Things are getting more juicy and interesting! I've noticed there was a lot more buzz for this Sunday's episode on twitter. :)

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  32. SandiFebruary 11, 2014 at 12:53 PM

    I've just been wondering if the training is actually because the writers plan for her to face off with Milady later on in the series maybe. Perhaps while while the Musketeers are having a showdown with the Red Guards and the Cardinal she has to take out Milady?

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  33. SandiFebruary 11, 2014 at 12:55 PM

    It certainly seems as though her house is the unofficial base camp for them to meet in, I hope that the Cardinal or Milady doesn't find that out!

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  34. SandiFebruary 11, 2014 at 1:04 PM

    I think his death wish from the grenade (as I think Bailey mentioned above too) may have come about from episodes like what happened in the woods fifteen years ago too, and the loner aspect that was more apparent this week too. I'm guessing he must have moved to Athos and Porthos' regiment after the incident, isn't Athos his superior? But, then again his loner/death wish tendencies may have just held him back from command I guess, so who knows. Hopefully it will come up at some point :)

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  35. SandiFebruary 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

    It's still down as unplaced on the BBC media page, but I am assuming that it will air on the 23rd atm, so I'm guessing it will be available for preview from the 18th Feb :)

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  36. JulietFebruary 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM

    Magil, I think D'Artagnan has to tell Constance about Milady. She told him recently that Milady came to visit and frightened her. And well, Constance basically never shows her vulnerability/fears. And here, she actually told him that she scared her. Also, it sounds like Milady will be dealing with Constance's husband in terms of business. So she'll be in close proximity to Constance. So I would hope he'd tell her for her own safety and protection because Milady is extremely dangerous and an assassin.


    Sandi, Constance and Milady's meeting was definitely a foreshadowing for the upcoming showdown. I just hope they'll re-write what the book did. I do NOT want to see Constance die. :( That would be terrible for the show. So fingers crossed that Constance will survive. I'm still hoping for some scenes where D'Artagnan will teach Constance how to sword fight and perhaps ride a horse.

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  37. JulietFebruary 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

    One Musketeer tumblr fan page posted this spoiler episodic pic of Constance:
    http://themusketeersfans.tumblr.com/image/76014576934



    The site won't say from which episode it is or where they got the photo. But it's quite revealing!

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  38. JasonFebruary 12, 2014 at 2:31 AM

    Think I might be the minority on this forum in more ways than one but, the less shippery drama the better. If Constance can be a good supporting character and a support for the musketeers, that's cool. Just don't want them to make her a foil for D'Artagnan by making their friendship or connection or whatever a choice between her and them. So far the quips she's used when confronting them on their questionable actions have been more on the wise and insightful side of things. Why have her suddenly phrase it like there's a competition for D'Artagnan's allegiance, or like she wouldn't be supportive of D'Artagnan helping Aramis as much as the rest of them?

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  39. SandiFebruary 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM

    Doh, I know why I said fifteen years ago yesterday, I was listening to an album with that song on with that title yesterday while on the site and subconsciously wrote that, damn old age! XD Ahh, so Aramis has been a Musketeer longer than Athos, probably his tendencies that have held him back from promotion over Athos then. Athos must be better at keeping his brooding out of his work I guess. Hopefully we'll get a clue to Porthos' joining up in the next episode. Good spot Jason!

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  40. BaileyFebruary 18, 2014 at 1:30 AM

    I'm with ya, Jason. Particularly with the statement "the less shippery drama the better" because yes, absolutely for me, the less shippery drama they delve into, the happier I'll be. If it's relevant to the plot, nice. If it isn't, use with caution.

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  41. BaileyFebruary 18, 2014 at 1:37 AM

    Just curious, would Athos being nobility affect his rank in the Musketeers? Or, even being nobility, could he have previous military experience or training that would have pushed him forward? My guess is, like yours, Aramis's loner tendencies probably kept him from a higher rank or leadership, but not knowing a ton of specifics about military service in that time period, I just... am now curious. I don't expect anyone to really know the answer to this off the top of their head, nor do I expect the show creators are going for full historical accuracy, but, again, just throwing it out there.


    If my shaky historical knowledge on this period is worth anything, I think Musketeers had to either be a noble, or be sponsored by a noble to get in to the king's regiment, and if they weren't, had to prove themselves in some other way worthy (though that last part might just have been a plot point in the book).

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  42. SandiFebruary 18, 2014 at 1:44 AM

    I think Athos being a noble was a surprise to the others in episode 3 when he revealed that they were in his house iirc? Though Treville, and others, may well have been aware I guess.


    Is it just me, or does it feel like much longer than a one week hiatus already? :\ lol

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  43. BaileyFebruary 18, 2014 at 2:01 AM

    It feels so much longer. :)


    It's actually been a while since I've re-read the book, but if I remember right, the premise in the book was that to be commissioned into the king's regiment they had to be sponsored by a noble, or be a noble, but that once they were commissioned they took on a musketeer name, and kept their real identities secret (like, all of them did this, so not many, perhaps even in their own regiments, always knew the other's real names). Fair warning, I could have this totally wrong, but that's the way I remember it.


    Regardless, who knows what the show will do. I'm having fun with it so far.

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