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POLL : What did you think of Arrow - Heir to the Demon?

6 Feb 2014

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283 comments:

  1. Midnight6 February 2014 at 02:01

    That episode was crazy!

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  2. Shannon6 February 2014 at 02:01

    You gotta be F*ucking kidding me?!?!?!? FFS!!! This episode was heavy!!! Great, but heavy. Be back later. my emotions are all over the place!~

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  3. shels6 February 2014 at 02:02

    This show is just unbelievably good.

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  4. Victor6 February 2014 at 02:04

    Great episode. I really believed Sara was gonna die, that would have been awful. Oliver learning Moira's secret was great! And finally we may get an Oliver-Slade confrontation, only three weeks away! Also that ending with Sara and Oliver definitly isn't going to bode well.

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  5. really6 February 2014 at 02:04

    This episode was an eye opener. Now, i really hate Felicity. She just ruined Oliver's relationship with his mother. I am so glad that Oliver turned to sara , kissed her and hopefully he forgets about Felicity. Want a home wrecker she is. What do you Olicity Shippers have to say to that?

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  6. Ben6 February 2014 at 02:04

    I'm shocked already! The last 2 episodes have made me want for more!!!!!!!!!!!! Season 2 continues to defy the rule of "sophomore slump"!!!!!!!!!!

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  7. Juliana Carvalho6 February 2014 at 02:04

    I really hope i'm wrong, and most of the times i'm, but i think Oliver getting close to Sarah and everyone finding out that she's alive is going to get Slade to kill her. It's a great way for him to get his revenge and to set things in motion so Laurel can be Black Canary.

    I honestly feel sorry for Laurel right now, loved seeing her snap at Sarah, KC did a good job!
    Felicity, you really don't want to be in Moira's blacklist!!! That woman is evil!!!
    Overall really like the episode!

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  8. Juliana Carvalho6 February 2014 at 02:07

    Seriously? Moira had an affair with the Malcolm Merlyn, lied about it, threatened Felicity when she confronted her about it and the person who ruined their relationship was Felicity? You must be joking.

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  9. Jason6 February 2014 at 02:09

    Oh brother.

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  10. Aydrian6 February 2014 at 02:09

    Guys, I'm an Olicity shipper, but even I have to admit Oliver and Sarah are a pretty hot couple.

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  11. Robbins6 February 2014 at 02:10

    Laurel shouldn't be BC.That should be Sarah.If they want to keep Laurel as supporting character fine.But they need to keep Sarah on show.

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  12. lala26 February 2014 at 02:11

    Great episode!

    I don't think Felicity had any right telling Moira's secret. I liked the scene where she went to confront Moira and the way Moira handled her blackmail. I hate that Felicity told anyway b/c I honestly don't think she has any right telling Oliver something Moira didn't want him or Thea to know. It was really none of her business.

    I was not surprised to see Oliver and Sarah making out at the end of the episode, but I guess that means the Oliver/Laurel relationship is dead. I can't see how they could hook back up again after this, but this is tv show so I'm sure it will happen.

    I thought Laurel's anger felt real. I can understand why she's angry.

    And did I see T-Bag from Prison Break in the preview! Love that actor so I cannot wait until the next episode!

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  13. Juliana Carvalho6 February 2014 at 02:11

    It's not what i would like to happen, it's what i think it might happen.

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  14. Midnight6 February 2014 at 02:11

    I'm starting to wonder if maybe they're setting Laurel up to not only be a different Black Canary but also to be some sort of villain. Slade did say he had "plans" for Laurel.

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  15. Robbins6 February 2014 at 02:11

    If they aren't going to pair Oliver with Felicity it should be Sarah.And Sarah should remain Black Carney on show.

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  16. DarqueMode6 February 2014 at 02:12

    This was one of the more over-the-top melodramatic episodes of the series I think.. and that is rarely a good thing.

    The action scenes were great as usual and I enjoyed seeing flashbacks focused on the Lances for a change of pace.

    I can basically handle Oliver disowning Moira, the hasbian sub-plot, and even the end scene with the kiss between Oliver and Sara, but between more of laurel's woe-is-me attitude and Sara rising up from her near death state to plead with Arrow not to kill Nyssa Raatko made the melodrama more than I can handle.



    So while this episode did move a number of plots forward, I did not really enjoy it overall. I found it uneven and overly dramatic.

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  17. really6 February 2014 at 02:15

    I agree with you right there. Moira did tell Felicity not to say anything to Oliver. That's how i see it.

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  18. Robbins6 February 2014 at 02:18

    Black Carney should be great love of Green arrow's life.I am smallville fan but hated the paring of oliver and Chloe.While i realize Katie Cassidy has her fans and I admit to liking her on Melrose place revival the character of Laurel hasn't been working for quite some time.They already have Sarah as Black Carney,and she's becoming a fan favorate.When you have 2 female characters more popular than the suposed female lead something Is very wrong.In both flashbacks-with Sarah telling us laurel sabotged sarah since she liked oliver too and present Sarah as love for Oliver Isn't a strech at all.

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  19. mac6 February 2014 at 02:18

    Badass episode


    - Loved the final Nyssa/Arrow fight, the choreography was brilliant


    - Oliver and Moira falling out will probably lead more and more to some kind of Moira-antagonizing. I'm afraid that they might kill her off soon, the more she is pushed against a wall the sadder her loss will be.


    - Felicity being honest to Oliver despite Moira trying to scare her off with the truth being more damaging than lying was a sweet little nod at how tight Team Arrow is at that point


    - Laurels emotional journey is pretty devestating to be honest, she's down on her luck, has family members from all sides reappear after two of them literally tore her family and life appart. Cassidy really did some great acting this episode.


    - Thea, Slade and Diggle were completely underutilized tough. Wich is a shame because having main characters stumble across the screen without making any impact on anything is pretty damn sad (for both the actors and the characters fans, 'oh hey there's my favourite character aaaaannnd he's gone')


    - as much as I want to like Sara, I can't. Caity Lotz is a pretty awfull actress, better than Colton Haynes tough...wich doesen't stick out as somethign positive tough, and the thought of her sticking as Canary isn't really encouraging.


    - not a fan of that ending, primarily because my only thought during that scene was 'classic CW'
    no but ending an episode on a wild kissing scene isn't what Arrow should end it on. If it would've ended with Slades 'I'll take care of this' that would've been fine. Just place the scenes in a different order


    - kinda dissapointed in the episodes premise, thought we'd find out a bit more about the League, nothing tough...


    - not a fan of Alex Kingston, did she just go 'screw it, got 2 minutes of screentime anyway' or what ?


    - and as always...still Blood keeps walking over my screen. Dude you're already replaced by a bigger villain, there's a reason minions don't make it this long: they become an annoyance after being replaced by a bigger bad.


    - all the Malcom nods without any Malcom scenes.... :(






    definitely the best episode since mid-season. sure the storyline was thin and barely there but it was a fast paced action heavy episode that didn't have wooden acting destroy the fun. More o' that.
    Now have a good ongoing plot threat (a recurring assassin, a flu poisoning Starling etc.) and my interest is back.

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  20. DebraFan6 February 2014 at 02:18

    Why destroy his friendship with Laurel and potentially further divide the Lance family by hooking up with Sara again? - wasn't his shacking up with Sara before enough of a huge betrayal? What has Oliver learned from that? Sometimes, I hope somebody smacks Oliver on the head.

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  21. jason6 February 2014 at 02:22

    It was fuckin awesome, i want oliver and felicity too hook up it looks like it's not happening soon or maybe never -_- but i do kinda like oliver and sara together and moira deserved what oliver told her sh keeps lying too thea and oliver

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  22. Maka5566 February 2014 at 02:23

    No, Moira doesn't deserve anything, because Oliver is STILL lying to his mother and sister.

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  23. jason6 February 2014 at 02:24

    She*

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  24. patriotfall6 February 2014 at 02:35

    I really don't know what to feel about this episode. I mean, it was awesome, but something just didn't click right with me. It's probably the final scene with Oliver and Sara. After this episode, I will always fear that Sara will get killed or run away every time she's on screen and it frustrates me. God, Slade and The League of Assassins better stay the hell away from her. I care about her way too much to not have her in the present day.

    And I'm glad that Dinah and Laurel found out about Sara being alive. Also, the scene where she told Sara to get out was pretty damn intense. Laurel has every right to be mad at her.

    I'm also glad that we got a tiny bit of backstory on Felicity (finally!). I can't wait to get more on her later this season.

    The action scenes in this episode was freakin' fantastic. Especially the Nyssa and Oliver one.

    Overall, this episode was awesome. Will definitely do a rewatch.

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  25. bgoodkatie6 February 2014 at 02:39

    12 downvotes and counting. Yeah...

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  26. bgoodkatie6 February 2014 at 02:42

    Haters will hol on to the most illogical arguments. Every sane person knows Felicity didn't mean any harm and only wants the best for Ollie.

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  27. lala26 February 2014 at 02:48

    Yeah . . . I didn't like how she tried to blackmail Moira so I was happy when Moira didn't bite though Felicity told anyway. Haha!

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  28. GM6 February 2014 at 02:48

    Why are people down-voting a grammatical self-correction?

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  29. jason6 February 2014 at 03:02

    Thank you GM

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  30. aron6 February 2014 at 03:03

    Some people down vote pointless things, just to be contrary. Or maybe they have an issue with someone catching their own mistakes? ;) Some people make me wonder though, that's for certain.

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  31. aron6 February 2014 at 03:07

    I'm not even an "Olicity fan" and I have to admit, at reading the above comment, your words were my first thought.

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  32. Gohier1236 February 2014 at 03:10

    I nearly burst out laughing when Oliver gave his mother that self-righteous speech about how you don't lie to your family. Is he forgetting that he has a whole secret identity that his family doesn't know about?

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  33. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 03:11

    Moira was the one doing the blackmailing. She told Felicity that if she told Oliver, Oliver would hate her and never forgive her.


    All Felicity wanted Moira to do was to be honest with Oliver. She wasn't going to tell Oliver the secret but Oliver kept pushing her to find out what it is. Why should Felicity lie to protect Moira when all her instincts tell her to be honest.


    Poor Thea. Everyone is lying to her.

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  34. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 03:13

    It looked like desperation sex to me. Sara was devasted to be rejected by Oliver, Oliver was crushed by finding out about his mother's lies. Sometimes you just need something to make you feel better.

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  35. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 03:18

    There are so many characters on the Arrow page, they have to take turns. This episode was about Sara, Laurel and Moira. Diggle will get his episode in Suicide Squad, and they just set up Slade going after Moira and Thea going to find out about her birth father. Their time will come.
    (It looks like the only character who isn't going to get an arc is Felicity. That reveal about her parents is all we're going to get this season.)

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  36. Jason6 February 2014 at 03:21

    I'm not either. It just came off as a ridiculous and trollish statement. Felicity as the home-wrecker? Please. Unless that's what you consider Diggle for convincing Oliver to investigate the possibility that his mother was part of The Undertaking last year. Maybe all of Oliver's friends should be required to be more loyal to Moira and her secrets than they are to Oliver. That'd be awesome.

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  37. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 03:25

    I thought it was a great kick-ass episode in terms of action. I hope Nyssa comes back because her fight scenes are a thing of beauty.


    Good set-up for future story lines -- Slade going after Moira, the secret of Thea's birth coming out, Sara staying in town. I was worried Sara was going to die and I'm glad she didn't (even if she is sleeping with Oliver now).


    Man, what are they trying to do with Laurel? I thought they were going to start redeeming her but no. She was out of line refusing to let Sara make friends or even speak to her and is blaming her ruined life on Sara.


    I know that Oliver and Sara make sense being together at the end of this episode, but as an Olicity shipper,:-(

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  38. Carrigon6 February 2014 at 03:29

    I love Ollie and Sarah together, best ending. And I liked how this ep really kept me guessing. Kind of feel bad for Laurel.

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  39. Jason6 February 2014 at 03:31

    Pretty much it makes Laurel come across as self centered, because putting the two of them side by side and comparing the tragedy in their histories, Sara went through a hell of a lot more in getting shipwrecked, going through what she went through on the island, etc. etc. than what Laurel experienced. Not saying Laurel doesn't have the right to feel her own pain, but to make out like it's more important than everyone else's, or more important than everyone else, is not endearing me to her character.

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  40. start_wearing_purple6 February 2014 at 03:31

    A couple of points:
    1) Please tell me Nyssa returns. What a badass!
    2) They're going to have to show Ra's al Gul eventually right. Anyone with me on Faran Tahir?
    3) Ok, Laurel needs to be slapped. Last season she had a purpose as Oliver's hope for redemption and the whole love triangle thing. But the whole poor pitiful me routine is getting annoying.
    4) Poor Felicity.
    5) So over/under on Thea finding out her parentage? I'm betting on by episode 20 of this season with Slade being the main force revealing it to her.
    6) Blood saying "Blood is thicker than water." Just a few grins there.

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  41. ShatteredOne6 February 2014 at 03:31

    Really solid episode. As much as I may want to side with Sara, cause well she's been much more enjoyable than Laurel, I do understand Laurel's anger towards her. Hopefully with time that'll cool down with them, or we may get another Oliver/Tommy situation again where one dies and in that moments is forgiveness.

    Also really enjoyed Nyssa and I liked the differences between how you actually say "Ra's Al Ghul" between how you really pronounce it, like Nyssa did, and how a few others did.

    And completely on Felicity's side on this. You could tell it was a struggle to tell Oliver and she just wanted him to know the truth. Moira essentially threatening her and doing what she normally does to get the outcome she wants. Yes, you can make the argument about Oliver's whole lying to his family thing, but what he does is more to protect them where Moira was to protect herself.

    Last, who is Slade going to go visit? Oliver or Moira?

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  42. lorepottter6 February 2014 at 03:33

    Ollie gave Sarah a Bezoar!!!!! one that can cure any poison!!!He has
    been reading Advance PotionMaking! well done Ollie, Snape would be proud

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  43. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 03:35

    Nyssa is coming back. The producers recently confirmed that.

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  44. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F6 February 2014 at 03:39

    yep wonder if she will get her revenge on the arrow for defeating her in a battle.....

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  45. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 03:41

    Somehow, I have a feeling that when she comes back The League of Assassins will be coming with her so it'll be all business.

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  46. Danielle Thomas6 February 2014 at 03:50

    It was a good episode. First can I say good on felicity on confronting Moira, I was impressed by that. The Nyssa character was really good. Will be great when she comes back for revenge. I feel for Laurel, she thought all this time her sister was dead and to be honest her family did fall apart from that and now she is telling Sarah that it all could have been avoided by a phone call or something. I'm glad felicity told Oliver the truth about his mother lying about Thea, but I can see this backfiring on him some way, like when his mother finds out the truth about what he does. I mean come on Oliver all she did was lie about Thea's dad you KILL PEOPLE for crying out loud. Don't be a hypocrite Oliver. The end with Sarah and Oliver I have to kind of grossed me out, I mean think about it, isn't the two of them hooking up in the first place is what started the whole damn thing back in the day and we see how well that went. Talk about history repeating itself.

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  47. Thirty6 February 2014 at 03:53

    That's the interesting part. While they hint at her return, Nyssa released Sarah from The League.

    If that is the case, what stake do they have in the present storyline?

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  48. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 03:57

    Nyssa released her. It doesn't necessarily mean the league did. Her father may have a different view of things.

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  49. 01lander6 February 2014 at 03:58

    Hopefully the producers of the show will amend their original Black Canary origin for Laurel and keep Sara on as a regular, at least for the next season (if they still plan on having Laurel ultimately become the character). Caity Lotz is excellent in every scene, it's a real credit to her as an actor because she's hands down the best character introduced since Felicity. Laurel was particularly good in this episode too, and I think that having the two interact and watching how they mend their relationship might be the best way for Katie Cassidy to properly show off her acting chops.

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  50. Shannon6 February 2014 at 04:30

    I loved how Sara was using the Pull Up machine, and Felicity said she was doing it for an hour, and we saw Sara go all the way to the top then drop down. She is so badass.

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  51. bobseh6 February 2014 at 04:40

    This episode was incredible. Definitely my favourite this season.

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  52. Shannon6 February 2014 at 04:40

    Yeah they did, but I wasn't talking the characters per say, iI meant the Writers were trying too hard to make them look like a happy family as a whole! I know it was suppose to be "better times" and all that. But I still couldn't buy it. And that was with me NOT thinking about what Sara told Oliver.

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  53. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 04:51

    Apologies for caps and expletive...but...THERE ARE NO FUCKING WORDS...

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  54. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 04:51

    Agreed. The thing about Laurel's pain, while it does hurt getting cheated on by your boyfriend and your sister and she has every right to be mad about it, is that it's the sort of thing that happens every day to lots of people, whereas Oliver and Sara had such consequences that it doesn't even seem to be in the same league. Even Roy lost 8 friends in the earthquake.


    So while I can empathize with Laurel to some extent, getting so mad at Sara that she kicks her out makes it harder to like her.

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  55. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 04:53

    Are you even watching the same show. No really, are you? I highly doubt it as everything you just said is complete nonsense.

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  56. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 05:19

    And in times of stress, we go for the familiar, not something new. anyone in life who has ever had a real relationship would know that (which you obviously haven't and that's too bad) so Oliver and Sara in that moment is not surprising at all. And means exactly nothing. But you would need experience to teach you that, wouldn't you?

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  57. Alex Lav6 February 2014 at 05:25

    Oliver + Sarah + Roy (+Diggle). Who can defeat a team like this? (I did not count Felicity because she does not fight but the five members of Team Arrow are like the best team ever)

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  58. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 05:25

    I loved the episode. I thought it hit all the right notes. Plot moves forward, Moira's lies exposed. Ollie acting like a human in the end scene and turning to the familiar in a time of stress and need, like all of us who have been in situations/have ex's have done before. It was very humanizing to me. But I respect your opinion. You have a few valid points there.

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  59. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 05:27

    How would the Lance family know he hooked up with Sara again? Do they have hidden camera's in the lair?

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  60. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 05:27

    Thank the Gods, someone who understands that.

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  61. thi866 February 2014 at 05:44

    I will repeat myself, but i will say it again: Arrow is on fire! This season is amazing so far, one episode better than the other! Very well done.

    Nyssa is so badass, i love it!

    I don't know if the writers still planning to transform Laurel in BC, but i know one thing: Sara is the BC for me!

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  62. Shannon6 February 2014 at 06:21

    I think that goes for like 60% of the fanbase. lol It's Sara, no doubt. I mean i don't see Ollie training her when she get better from all her substance and alcohol abuse problems. Only one who could train her, would be Sara, But Laurel doesn't even want to be in the same room with her. Laurel's only option (if they make her BC) would probably be to join the LOA. lmao

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  63. Shannon6 February 2014 at 06:27

    That's one badass team. And i sooo wish Diggle would spare with Felicity again. Or hey maybe Oliver and Sara could teach her a little something. I'd like that very much. She doesn't have to be on their level, but just enough so she can handle herself when the time comes.

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  64. Christina Sherwood6 February 2014 at 06:28

    -I dont like Sara, the character is annoying & the actress is terrible. Don't even get me started on her weird lips & the way they make her have this almost lisp thing, GAH!

    -Laurel needs to die or leave or something else that makes her not be on the show. Again the character sucks & I am so incredibly sick of seeing KC's skeleton on my screen, it would be awesome if it was because she wanted to look more like her role this seson as a pill popping alcholic but since she's been so disgustingly underweight since the show started its obvious she has an eatting disorder. I don't want to see her on my TV anymore!

    -Everyone obsessing over Sara or Laurel being the Black Canary: Sara is going to be gone soon just wait, she should have died in this ep & then at least her annoying presence would've held some weight. Oliver would be more focused on his Arrow activites & then at least the idea of Laurel possibly becoming the canary would make some sence.

    -My theory(hopes) for who becomes the Black Canary: Felicity. Not just because i adore her character & that her chemistry with Oliver is so far the only chemistry that doesnt seemed forced with a female character. My thoughts are that Felicity is a hacker & they have handles, we dont know what hers is or if she has one yet. Also, at some point (if the writers are smart) she's going to get fed up not being able to protect herself, she's inevitibly going to get into trouble again & it would makes sense for her to want to learn to fight.

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  65. Cry of Achillies6 February 2014 at 06:35

    The only relationship that doesn't seem forced lmao, Sara owns sorry sweetheart

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  66. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:39

    I don't agree with the original commentator, but it was absolutely NONE of Felicity's business. Zero. She should have butted out.

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  67. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:40

    Well that's obnoxious.

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  68. Barbarella Galaxina6 February 2014 at 06:40

    That guy at the bar did something to Laurel
    The Lance Family back in action
    OMG the Lance FAMILY ALL TOGETHER
    Do not play with Mrs. Queen Ever
    Laurel Lance is Awesome that scene was Fun her in the Flashback
    not trying to be a Bitch’ by Sara Lance LOL LOVE Laurel
    @PaulBlackthorne and @MzKatieCassidy Scenes are Gold
    I love the Lance Family
    In was not Felicity place to tell
    Mrs. Queen VS Blood that was a very good Scene there
    Laurel knows about Sara
    I want to see more of Laurel and Sara Relationship
    Good Queen Drama
    Its about time Laurel said this it so true
    What Laurel said is true the Lance Family fell apart because of Sara
    Laurel Has ever right to be Mad at Sara
    Laurel was to nice If that was My sister bitch would be on the floor

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  69. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:43

    Felicity basically told Moira that if Moira didn't tell Oliver then she would. That is equally blackmail and it was none of Felicity's business in the first place. Felicity used to be my favorite character, but nobody gets a free pass for this.

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  70. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:46

    A very, very good point. It's not just the characters that are hypocritical. It seems like certain characters get a free pass in the fandom as well.

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  71. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 06:46

    That's not blackmail. That's an ultimatum.

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  72. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:50

    Laurel has every right to be angry at Sara. If the fandom liked her more, they would probably be high fiving her at this point.

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  73. Dahne6 February 2014 at 06:56

    You can't call Moira's blackmail either then.

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  74. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 06:57

    I didn't and haven't implied that it was.

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  75. Dahne6 February 2014 at 07:15

    No, you didn't. The people who originally posted called it blackmail. I simply meant that Felicity and Moira used the same manipulative tactics.

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  76. Shannon6 February 2014 at 07:15

    That's exactly what i said on my post. They were terribly under distress. I mean at that point, i think they were just looking for Solace.

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  77. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 07:17

    I getcha but Moira was manipulative while Felicity was rather straightforward about her intentions.

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  78. David Fischer6 February 2014 at 07:25

    While she does have a right to be angry, they way they went about it was terrible. She thought her sister was dead for years, has said before how much she wants her back, and then immediately after getting her back blames, belittles, and insults her? And doesn't particularly care the Sarah wasn't exactly on vacation while she was gone as evidenced the assassins after her. At least express some positive emotion at your sister being alive before bitching her out. Not to mention ruining the nice family reunion between the Lance's that was going on.


    Laurel's problems come across as pretty insignificant when placed next to any one else on the show. And it doesn't help that Katie Cassidy isn't the best actress and seems to be incapable of invoking sympathy..

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  79. Dahne6 February 2014 at 07:27

    Felicity's presumption that it was any of her business was her first mistake. Let's not kid ourselves. If it had been Laurel who did this, the fandom would be railing against her for being a pushy witch who butted in where she didn't belong.

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  80. David Fischer6 February 2014 at 07:27

    I have a feeling the next set of flashbacks will focus on Sarah meeting Nyssa and the LOA. I hope Nyssa pulls a Slade and becomes a regular. After all, Sarah was with her for 5 years and it would look stupid as hell of have Nyssa off-screen most of the time.

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  81. Shannon6 February 2014 at 07:29

    They sure don't have cameras in the lair. I think this time Ollie and Sara would keep this to themselves.

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  82. NiceGuyVan6 February 2014 at 07:31

    Dude I read it all.... but yea Awesome Episode. Loved the Sara and Oliver Moment, and more. But No need to say more.

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  83. Bailey6 February 2014 at 07:33

    For me it isn't about the acting, it's just that in moments like this I don't sense any compassion in the character. She comes across as so focused on herself that the way she treated Sara just felt like complete disregard. I want to root for her character, but it makes it difficult.

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  84. Shannon6 February 2014 at 07:33

    Actually my money's on season 3 for Olicity, never say never. I think Season 3 will be their time. it'll be complicated b/c of Barry though (when the Flash series starts) i know they'll have crossovers at one point. The ONLY thing, i'm looking for by the end of the season is Felicity telling Oliver about her feelings. Then saying she has to leave, and he stops her to stay. That would be enough for me.

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  85. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 07:35

    Felicity stepped over a line with Moira. That's it. Felicity's loyalty lies with Oliver not Moira. If she learns something she feels Oliver should know, especially anything involving Malcolm Merlyn, then of course she's going to want him to be told. If it's a choice between not crossing Moira or being honest with Oliver it's an easy call to make.



    On top of that, Felicity is acting from a place of experience. Felicity knows the ramifications of Moira's secrets about Malcolm Merlyn first hand. After all, it was Felicity in an underground casino almost getting her head blown off trying to save Walter and clean up Moira's mess.

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  86. Shannon6 February 2014 at 07:39

    Haha, sorry I'm a critic/writer/journalist/poet. I can't help it. Don't hate me (runs and hides for cover) sometimes i do make them short though. I guess when it's really good, i have a lot to cover.

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  87. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F6 February 2014 at 07:42

    Talia a Ghul will show up at some point right? and where is Isabel Rochev coming back

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  88. Compass_16 February 2014 at 08:32

    I'd rather see Sara becoming a regular than Nyssa. I do hope to see Nyssa recurring though.

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  89. Compass_16 February 2014 at 08:35

    Even the showrunners already called Sara the Black Canary in interviews already.. I can't see Laurel ever becoming the BC when the show sticks to real time. It takes years to reach the level of Oliver and Sara and we don't have years to wait for Laurel..

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  90. O D A6 February 2014 at 08:55

    Maybe its not her buisiness. But she investigates things for Oliver. A shady transaction which had ties to last season's mess is her job to investigate. When she found out the truth she went to Moira rather than Oliver. She didn't give her any legitimate reasons to trust her instead threatened her about her relation with Oliver.


    Why should she keep any secret from Oliver on Moira's behalf? Her loyalties are with Oliver and Moira's actions have already caused enough trouble in Oliver's life. What would Oliver's reaction be once he found out the truth and Felicity kept it from him? Why should she put her friendship with Oliver on the line for someone like Moira with whom she has no relation with?

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  91. Leliforever6 February 2014 at 08:58

    I hope your theory about Felicity DOES come true because felicity's character is gold! I think she has a bigger and greater fanbase than both Laurel & Sara and is way,WAY more interesting. Also, she is going to get fed up by Oliver's instist on ignoring the way she looks at him (even Moira noticed-wake up buddy!).


    About KC, she had plastic surgery right before the season started (I think it was pretty obvious) but she has indeed lost a lot of weight...

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  92. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F6 February 2014 at 09:00

    I could see Talia a Ghul also show up as well at some point

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  93. DarqueMode6 February 2014 at 09:04

    Exactly!
    Thea is the only one in the situation that gets any sympathy from me!
    She is the most directly affected and has absolutely no clue...


    I see the Felicity/ Moira dynamic the same way as you I think...
    Felicity went there with no plan, no intention of blackmail or any malevolent motive. She wanted to let Moira know that she was aware of her secret, that Oliver deserves to know (as does Thea).. I also think she truly wanted Moira to acquiesce and tell Oliver herself...


    That is absolutely not blackmail or even similar. Honestly it is not even a threat to me. It is just Felicity telling it how it is. Oliver deserves to know and Moira should be the one to tell him. Failing that, Felicity thought it was important enough that she would tell him herself.


    Removing the family and personal dynamics from the equation, as Oliver's executive assistant she should prep him with nay pertinent information prior to meetings or speeches. Informing him that the candidate he was going to be endorsing has a secret is almost literally her job. If I had an assistant that was withholding important info like that I would fire her as soon as I found out.


    From the friendship side of things, I feel much the same way as well honestly...
    I would expect any friend that knew something like that to tell me. IF Oliver found out later, and more importantly found out that Felicity knew and did not tell him, the result would be a breech of trust. The longer the delay in telling him, the larger the breech.

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  94. O D A6 February 2014 at 09:10

    Felicity didn't go out of her way to see whether Moira is doing any wrong in this episode. As far as I understand she keeps track of lot of things for Oliver and his crusade. She came across an anomaly which had direct ties to last year's mess and she investigated and found the truth. Yes it had nothing to do with her but it involved Oliver.


    Oliver is her friend and her loyalty is with him. Why on earth should she keep a secret for Moira and ruin her friendship with Oliver which will be ruined if she refused to let Oliver know and he found out later. Yes she went to Moira and confronted her and gave her an ultimatum. If you want you can call it blackmail. I don't mind.


    I found it more like a warning that I am going to tell the truth to your son you can do the right thing and say it yourself. I thought because of her friendship with Oliver she wanted him to know the truth from his mother and not from her a third person.

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  95. DarqueMode6 February 2014 at 09:18

    Actually, in my opinion, it is EXACTLY Felicity's business. It basically is part of her job description to tell him.

    As Oliver's executive assistant (and tech/ data-miner extraordinaire on Team Arrow) her job is to provide Oliver with any info related to a meeting or speech etc. The secret of the person he was going to publicly support is very much something she should make him aware of.

    The secret being about Oliver's family and also about his arch-nemesis Merlyn makes it was even more important for him to know.

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  96. swanpride6 February 2014 at 10:31

    And while Laurel doesn't know what Sara went through, she has an idea that Oliver's five years away weren't exactly a piece of cake and she forgave him. But she can't even hear out her own sister? After believing her dead for six years?

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  97. ViKi6 February 2014 at 10:34

    Maybe it wasn't Felicity's bussiness, but I think she did right in telling Oliver. Keeping secrets about his own family it would has be just wrong.

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  98. O D A6 February 2014 at 10:39

    I agree. Laurel Had every right to say everything that she said today. I am always on the front expressing my dislike for the character. But this was the first episode I felt her anger genuine and her emotions and feelings sincere.


    What we all really need to remember is Laurel is the least informed character on the show. She mourned for her sister while being betrayed by her. Suddenly she sees her alive and well and more than that her father knew of her alive. She has every right to feel betrayed. As Laurel said it was six years she could have took one phone and called.

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  99. ViKi6 February 2014 at 10:45

    Number 3. I keep thinking the same thing over and over again.

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  100. ViKi6 February 2014 at 10:48

    "Hey, sister. This is Sarah. I'm alive, but I can't go home because, you know, now I am an assassin. Kisses!"

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  101. swanpride6 February 2014 at 10:49

    The episode was awesome...except three points:
    What about Roy? This would have been the right moment to do a nice little filler-episode about him working with the team. I realize that there wasn't any room for him, the episode was already so packed that there wasn't even time for a final scene between Oliver and Felicity concerning the question if he is angry with her or not, but I honestly thing that it would have been better to do an episode about the Moira sub-plot and Roy first, and concentrate fully on Sara in another one.
    I still don't get what they are trying to do with Laurel...are we supposed to hate her? Because they are doing a really good job portraying her as the most unsympathetic, petty, self-righteous, judgemental, "it is all your fault" character which ever graced my TV.
    If they were going for an Oliver/Sarah relationship (which I support, btw), they should have toned down the Olicity moments. Felicity was more fun as "friend with an own agenda" than as "pining girl". Why couldn't they portray their relationship as a deep-rooted friendship?
    Otherwise though...great action sequences, Sarah is always a plus and the newest revelation made her character even better, I loved Quentin's reaction (good to know that he can "overlook" something like because of all her suffering - lol - so if Laurel decides to give the other side a try, she better made sure that she really suffers first so that he can deal with it) because it was so realistic, I was really glad that Felicity got her own little subplot and a little bit character development (and that she is smart enough not to trust Moira - I hope she digs into Blood, too, in her spare time - GO! Felicity), and that everyone survived in the end. I was really worried that they might kill Sarah off.

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  102. O D A6 February 2014 at 10:53

    ha ha... that would be awesome... I know she couldn't. But Laurel doesn't know that hence its okay for her to react that way.

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  103. ViKi6 February 2014 at 11:00

    Laurel is the bitch here. All she does is think about herself, does she even care about why that assassin was after her sister? No, she just care about poor little Laurel, cheated by her boyfriend and sister 6 years back. Who cares that they paid for their sins in every possible way? But that's not enought, of course...

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  104. O D A6 February 2014 at 11:35

    What a bat shit crazy and heavy episode. Loved it. First things first. Let me get this out of my chest... Sara doing salmon ladder *cools myself down*. It was hot and bad ass. Caity Lotz did the first two wrings herself. Kudos to her. Arrow is the only show that I watch where I like the female characters more than the male characters. Felicity, Moira, Sara, Thea, Shado and baddies like Nyssa, Helena and even to an extend Laurel. They are all amazing and out shadows the men in the show.


    Nyssa.. Loved her. She really loved Sara. All the action scenes involving her was awesome and the final fight with Arrow was a thing of beauty. I can't wait for her to come back.


    Lance family saga was really good. I didn't expect to like it but I did. That one decision by Sara ruined their whole lives. I felt for Laurel this episode. Poor girl had to go and learn about Sara this way. And to top that her father knew before hand and didn't tell her. I loved her anger towards Sara. For the first time I felt her reactions sincere. Katie Cassidy gave the most honest portrayal of Laurel this episode in my opinion. Liked her more this episode than all last three episodes combined. Now I am eager to see how or if the sisters reconcile and if Lance family be together again.


    Moira's secret, Oliver and Felicity. I loved it that Felicity told Oliver about Moira. It showed me how tight Team Arrow is and their loyalty to one another comes first. I know some people think it was not Felicity's secret to reveal but I disagree. If Felicity kept this from Oliver that would have been a bigger betrayal in my opinion. But this is a case people can take it either ways so I understand there will be disagreements about this.


    Now what annoyed me a bit about this was Oliver's reaction to the news. Yes it was a shock, yes he now has to lie to Thea and yeas his mom lied. But surely he can understand why Moira would keep this news a secret. Hell he already knew she had an affair with Malcolm. Its not like he has not kept any secrets from his family for their own good. He is a killer by night. How can any other secret trump that?


    Now to the last scene. I was not surprised they jumped each other but was wondering what was the need for that from a story point of view. What about Laurel? Sara just saw what her decision to jump in with Oliver all those years ago did to Laurel. Now she does that again. Shouldn't her efforts be towards mending her family? I had better hopes for Sara. Oliver is a dick. He does things like that. This is his classic MO. He is sad, frustrated, guilty the first female who comes along acting like they understands him he jumps them (except for Felicity thank god). Nothing new there.


    Over all a great episode with wonderful action. Give me Roy and Laurel sparingly like this and I am a happy camper. Can't wait to see Slade and clock king next episode.

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  105. ViKi6 February 2014 at 11:35

    She doesn't know because she doesn't want to listen ;)

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  106. swanpride6 February 2014 at 11:38

    I disagree. Felicity doesn't trust Moira, with good reasons. Monitoring her activities is part of her job description. She gave Moira the chance to come clean on her own. Moira instead choose tying to manipulate her. She had to tell Oliver before the truth bites him in the butt. Now he is prepared. She could have picked a better moment but, well, rule of drama.

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  107. swanpride6 February 2014 at 11:41

    Not sure what the shippers say, but from a "I wish they had kept them as friends" point of view, Felicity did what she had to do. She is the best friend Oliver can wish for.

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  108. O D A6 February 2014 at 11:42

    But considering all the things she went through previous episodes and people not believing her when she says about Blood or her taking pills she is in a really bad place. Suddenly her sister is alive, her father knows and kept it from her, I thought she was entitled to be angry this episode.


    Trust me when I say this is the only episode I liked her self righteousness all through out the show. Usually I want to get inside the screen and shake her but today I genuinely felt bad for her.

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  109. swanpride6 February 2014 at 11:45

    I honestly don't care as long as they keep Felicity and Sarah.

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  110. swanpride6 February 2014 at 11:49

    It's not blackmail, it's giving Moira a chance to come clean on her own. Felicity could have simply told Oliver, but she choose to gave Moira the chance to salvage the relationship. If Moira had went to Oliver and had told him "there is one last secret I have to tell you", I bet Oliver would have understood and eventually forgiven her. And in this case, Felicity would have never revealed that she was the one who forced the confession.

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  111. swanpride6 February 2014 at 11:52

    Honestly, at this point Oliver can shackle up with whoever he wants. It's not like he is in a relationship with Laurel.

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  112. Lord Nikon6 February 2014 at 12:00

    Interesting ending now we wait and see what happens.

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  113. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:06

    A right to be angry? Yes...even though she should at least asked what happened to her, being her sister and all, I get that this is a lot to process. If she had said that she needed time to deal with her feelings, I would be totally on her side. But saying that everything which is wrong in life is Sara's fault? I HATE that in a character. Even Thea never said "this is all your fault" but "I went through a lot, too". Even Roy says that he himself fucked up his life until he meet the Arrow and found a purpose instead of blaming everything on the shitty circumstance he grew up in.
    So, no, I won't high five her.

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  114. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:09

    She knows that Oliver was tortured and that Sara is entangled with some really dangerous people. That's enough to at least ask.
    Plus, even if Sara just went on a long vacation to have a great time, it would still not make her responsible for everything wrong in Laurel's life, like she claimed. She managed to fuck that one up mainly on her own.

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  115. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:14

    I think the point was more to show that it is easy to idealize how it was back then, even though we know that a lot of it was an illusion. Laurel had this nice little plan in head, one year living together, than marrying and becoming a lawyer during the time. We know that Oliver wasn't ready for commitment and that her plans for the future were a pipe dream. Sara's attitude would have meant a lot of rude awakenings down the line too.

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  116. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:20

    Felicity is great the way she is. I don't want her to be the Black Canary. It would ruin the character for me.
    There are other ways to be badass than wielding a weapon.

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  117. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:27

    If I remember correctly the account Felicity monitored was a company account...it is her damned job to pay attention to what happens with the money, both as PA and as member of Team Arrow. So, no, she wasn't snooping around in Moira's private business, she just happen to stumble over one of her secrets. Which certainly was her business, not because Moira slept with someone, but because this someone was Malcom Merlyn. That's the kind of secret which has far reaching consequences, and Oliver needed to be prepared for that.

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  118. Marlene Rådman6 February 2014 at 12:29

    If my sister came back from the dead, yelling at her would not be the first thing I did... Just saying.



    Loved Sarah in this episode.



    The scene with Oliver and Moira.. Wow.

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  119. Compass_16 February 2014 at 12:31

    If you read IGN, Roy was in this episode but his scenes were left on the editing floor due to the length of this episode.

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  120. Marlene Rådman6 February 2014 at 12:33

    I thought I was the only one shipping those two. Thank you!

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  121. Compass_16 February 2014 at 12:34

    Moira has lied to him all his life and to his dad too. He has a right to be angry.

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  122. Compass_16 February 2014 at 12:37

    And Moira did blackmail the doctor didn't she? Offering him money in exchange for his silence.

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  123. Marlene Rådman6 February 2014 at 12:38

    Point 3. I think about this every time I see her.

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  124. Andrea6 February 2014 at 12:46

    Not to mention that when Oliver found out (which he WOULD) and consequently found out that Felicity knew and didn't tell him, he'd be disappointed and angry. She was absolutely right in telling him. Their entire relationship is based on truth and trust.

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  125. Andrea6 February 2014 at 12:52

    Something and someone who understands exactly what you went through/are going through without having to tell particulars. She's the only one in the entire world who knows. And one time they were kind of in love with each other. Lots of unresolved issues there too.

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  126. Andrea6 February 2014 at 12:53

    I read somewhere one of the producers said they were planting the seeds for season 3 and I definitely can see Olicity happening in one capacity.

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  127. swanpride6 February 2014 at 12:55

    Regardless of what Sara did or not did, Laurel is still responsible for her own decisions. She is the one who wrecked her life, not Sara.
    And if I grieved for my sister for six year, I would at least listen to her, if not for her, than for my parent's sake.

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  128. Ben6 February 2014 at 12:57

    I totally agree. I screamed so loudly that I almost cried!!!!!!!!!

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  129. O D A6 February 2014 at 12:57

    He has a right to be angry. But to call her a monster was too much in my opinion. Oliver knows Robert cheated on Moira first. Moira herself came clean about her affair with Malcolm. I think of all the secrets Moira has kept this one she had a right to keep. She was thinking about Thea. Oliver himself is keeping a big secret from his family in the name of protecting them.


    Once Moira's and Oliver's secret comes in front of Thea, she will feel betrayed by both. Which is the bigger secret Malcolm being Thea's father or Oliver being the killer? Both will be devastating news for Thea.


    Oliver is no way morally superior than Moira about keeping secrets. That being said if I was Moira I would be a little bit more humbled after all the free pass my kids had given me and would refrain from running for Mayor. She should have chosen the secret over the candidacy.

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  130. KBellFan20136 February 2014 at 13:01

    Great episode with only a few minor flaws. I didn't like the actress who played Nyssa. And the flashbacks to younger Laurel's life seemed a bit like filler. But otherwise this was a great episode and the last 5 minutes were just goose bump moments. I couldn't believe Oliver would just give up on his mother without allowing her to explain herself first. Laurel's downward spiral is just getting more and more crazy, I'm not sure exactly where they plan on taking this. I really expected Sara to die from that poison. Slade is definitely going to be a formidable villain. I see him killing Blood pretty darn soon.

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  131. O D A6 February 2014 at 13:06

    I think the difference between reactions towards Oliver and Sara from Laurel is that when Laurel came to know Oliver came back she thought he was a cast away for five years all alone and was rescued only then Later slowly she came to know about his torture in the island and that he changed. She still doesn't know Oliver had friends in the island or he was off the island.


    But Sara was not rescued from some island. Laurel suddenly sees Sara well and alive in starling city and from her fathers reactions she realized she was here in Starling even before this incident. I think that was the biggest betrayal for Laurel, that Sara didn't try to contact her before and let her know she is alive wherever she was. .

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  132. Babar Suhail6 February 2014 at 13:06

    That made me laugh so much.

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  133. swanpride6 February 2014 at 13:18

    I wouldn't call her "well" considered that she sees her hunted by assassins, recovering from a poison she took herself. I think the last she could do is ask what happened. But even if she is too angry to do so, her actions were incredible selfish, because she basically drove Sara away, while her mother was still standing there, happy about the reunion.
    I didn't expect Laurel to be all happy. But I expected her to be mature enough to deal with what was happening like an adult, and not like a spoiled child.

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  134. Babar Suhail6 February 2014 at 13:37

    While I agree Felicity had no right snooping around in Moira's business and confronting her, I think this is the first time I have really seen the evil side of Moira. And it really wasn't her place either to tell Oliver about Thea's paternity.
    The actions scenes were great, I loved seeing Black Canary fighting again and I love her and Arrow's duo. I hope the don't turn Laurel into BC, she can't be nearly as cool as Sara. Plus, I don't really see how Laurel can turn into BC, Sara had extensive training and they use the Mirakuru shortcut with Roy (which I think is cheating), but I don't see Laurel being kickass in such a short time.

    That happy ending made me think that Sara is probably gonna die soon (I really don't hope so). Slade will surely take away the thing Oliver loves, but I hope they don't kill Sara off.

    Laurel was really a bitch saying all that stuff to Sara. Just when I began to like her for digging into Sebastian's life, the TPTB ruined her again.

    I missed Roy in this episode, I supposed he would be in this one after last episode.

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  135. swanpride6 February 2014 at 13:41

    Never discount Felicity! Sometimes knowledge is the most powerful weapon.

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  136. swanpride6 February 2014 at 13:56

    True, but there is a big difference between what Oliver is covering up and what Moira is covering up. I can hardly blame him for feeling betrayed.

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  137. O D A6 February 2014 at 13:59

    Hmm.. I don't disagree that Laurel was selfish. And her dialogue that you stole my life Sara was melodrama at its best. But today I felt her anger and betrayed feelings more. It didn't feel like hypocrisy which I usually feel after almost all Laurel's woe is unto me scenes.


    This episode reminded me of Laurels dialogue to Oliver in season 1. I couldn't mourn my sister because I was so angry and I couldn't be angry at her because she died. Something like that. The betrayal she felt from Sara is still too much for her. So I liked the fact that she was not all welcoming towards Sara. It was in character and much better than her blaming the hood for Tommy's death.

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  138. Compass_16 February 2014 at 14:17

    Oliver knows Moira claims Robert cheated on her but we saw nothing on the show yet to suggest he knew more about his dad's doings.

    Also, at that time Malcolm was Robert's best friend and Moira lied to all of them all those years and Robert died thinking Thea was his daughter.

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  139. O D A6 February 2014 at 14:18

    Felicity didn't go out of her way to see whether Moira is doing any wrong in this episode. As far as I understand she keeps track of lot of things for Oliver and his crusade. She came across an anomaly which had direct ties to last year's mess and she investigated and found the truth. Yes it had nothing to do with her but it involved Oliver.

    Oliver is her friend and her loyalty is with him. Why on earth should she keep a secret for Moira and ruin her friendship with Oliver which will be ruined if she refused to let Oliver know and he found out later. Yes she went to Moira and confronted her and gave her a warning that I am going to tell the truth to your son you can do the right thing and say it yourself. I thought because of her friendship with Oliver she wanted him to know the truth from his mother and not from her a third person.



    Even I was annoyed at Oliver's reaction to Moira's secret. I agree it was a shock but to call Moira a monster for keeping this secret was too much. Oliver knows Robert cheated on Moira and Moira had a brief affair with Malcolm. So I don't see why he can't see Moira's point of view and desperation. He himself keeps such a big secret for the sake of family's safety.

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  140. Asia6 February 2014 at 14:27

    Typical Laurel, blaming everyone else for her misery, somebody put an arrow in her for good!!!!
    Loved Olicity moments!!!! Great episode!!!! Can't wait for more.

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  141. Asia6 February 2014 at 14:32

    I my friend knew something like this about my family I would like for that friend to tell me. Felicity gave Moira a chance to come clean and she instead blackmailed her that Oliver would hate her. Felicity did the right thing, and proved that she's a friend that Oliver can trust!

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  142. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:28

    ...a nd now Oliver is lying to Thea, too. Does he deserve to be disowned by Thea once she finds out the truth?


    This storyline makes everyone look bad.

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  143. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:30

    Wow, I didn't even think about this but it's an excellent point. The fact that Oliver is a vigilante who risks his life every night fighting dangerous criminals, and has killed many people, strikes me as a rather more important secret than the identity of Thea's biological father... and Oliver is lying about that without an ounce of guilt. This is ridiculous. After everything Moira's done, this is probably one of her most minor transgressions.

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  144. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:33

    Plus, in the same breath, he declared that HE'S now going to lie to Thea ABOUT THE SAME THING. The Self-Awareness Police should give Oliver a ticket...

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  145. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:39

    The thing is, she didn't even stop to think about what Sara had been through, and that maybe, just maybe, Sara had a reason not to see her family or even let them know she's alive for 6 years. Granted, Laurel doesn't know what hell Sara has been through but it's pretty obvious something bad happened to make her disappear. Or does she think Sara spent those years sipping cocktails on a beach and giggling at how her family is miserable and thinks she's dead?


    Laurel is so self-centered and woe-is-me that I can't stand her anymore. She doesn't take a SECOND to think about anyone's pain except her own, ever. Almost every character on this show has been through horrible things and they're all still empathetic towards others on occasion. Laurel couldn't give a crap about anyone but herself if her life depended on it. The idea that she was a legal aid attorney is utterly ridiculous.

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  146. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:42

    Laurel seems to just assume Sara spent the last 6 years lounging on a tropical beach, sipping drinks and not giving two shits about her family thinking she's dead and falling to pieces. She didn't even give her a chance to explain anything because going ballistic and throwing Sara out of the house. Why? Because this is Laurel's little world where no one's pain matters except her own, ever. Sara could've been tortured day and night for 6 years and Laurel would still be throwing a fit about HER hurt feelings. This character is repulsive.

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  147. arun2796 February 2014 at 15:47

    I couldn't really enjoy the episode. Throughout the episode, all I could think of was... why are trained law enforcement officials getting so close to ARGUS flagged international criminals and trained assassins with a gun. Keep a distance. That's what the gun is for! That has got to be the first thing they teach. :D It happens twice!

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  148. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:50

    As much as I thought Oliver was being hypocritical as hell with Moira, Amell's performance this week gets a gold star, no doubt. The scene where he presents his mother's candidacy for Mayor and then the confrontation when he disowns her showcased some of his finest acting on the show yet.

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  149. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:53

    By revealing that Laurel only went after Oliver out of pettiness when Sara liked him, having her treat anyone who tries to help her like dirt, and now her temper tantrum with Sara, I'm starting to wonder if they aren't feeding the Laurel hate on purpose. Maybe the're planning to kill her off or make her a villain.

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  150. ViKi6 February 2014 at 15:56

    I wonder that, too...

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  151. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 15:57

    Yeah, it annoyed me when Quentin did that. There was also a moment where Dinah and Sara were hugging and he just looked at them blissfully and dropped the gun he had pointed at Nyssa... seriously? I get it, he was emotional, but eh, get out of the confrontation with the extremely deadly assassin first and then have your family reunion moment.

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  152. ViKi6 February 2014 at 15:59

    They missed that lesson xD

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  153. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 16:07

    The tempest account was what led Felicity to the secret and she was asked by Walter a year ago to keep an eye on any transactions related to that account and to investigate them. I actually agree with her confronting Moira and Telling Oliver since what other way would he ever know the truth? And from her perspective I'd imagine, if he did find out later on and learned that she new but decided not to tell him, that would have surely ripped their friendship apart.

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  154. Morrigan_25756 February 2014 at 16:07

    TPTB did a postmortem, they mentioned that Roy was in the episode (we even saw him in one of the promos) but he was cut for time. Apparently Oliver sent Roy to the hospital to keep an eye on the Lances. He confronts Nyssa when she shows up, they fight and Nyssa infects him with the poison. He doesn't die but became weakened and she wins the fight.


    It's a shame they cut it, it sounded like it could have been a really exciting scene.

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  155. Setheriel6 February 2014 at 16:11

    You are so right. Anyone in this thread that disagrees with Felicity's actions this episode needs to read your response.

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  156. Olicity6 February 2014 at 16:16

    It's official I dislike Laurel.Loved Learning little pit about Felicity story, I admire how loyal and honest she is and nothing or no one prevents her from doing the right thing.Sara & Oliver, I'm shocked? it was a surprise, was not seeing this coming. I like Sara, and I understand she and Oliver being together and I know it's not going to last. I'm OK with it.

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  157. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 16:29

    "Laurel was to nice If that was My sister bitch would be on the floor"


    No offense, but... I don't know which is funnier: the idea that Laurel was being "nice" by blaming the sister who spent the last 6 years with crazy scientists who shoot people and make them stitch up their own wounds to see how tough they are and evil assassins who forced her to become one of them or die for her life being ruined and kicked her out of her house...
    Or, the idea that Laurel could try to drop Sara to the floor without getting every square inch of her obnoxious, self-centered ass thoroughly kicked. And that's with Sara going easy on her sis.

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  158. Dahne6 February 2014 at 16:31

    She should have stopped once she brought it to Walter. She trusted Walter and since Walter seemed to already know what was going on (as she said she could tell when he was lying), that should have been the end of it. Basically she was cyberstalking Oliver again (his grades in high school), and came up with juicy gossip.

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  159. Leliforever6 February 2014 at 16:32

    Don't get me wrong,I totally agree with you.I think Olicity is the strongest female in the show and for me she has so much potential being the way she is. She is badass,not because she can do the salmon ladder but because she is intelligent AND has the biggest heart at the same time. My wish for her is NOT to turn her into a superhero because we've already got too many and in the end why does a woman have to wear a suit to be badass???


    BUT if they are going to make someone else the Black Canary,I'd rather it be Felicity rather than Laurel mostly because I'm up to here with the Lances and that means she would at least get a storyline.


    I'm TEAM FELICITY before I'm TEAM OLICITY. Felicity is my girl and I just want the writers to realise how much potential she has and work with it. Enough with the Lance Sisters already...


    And i may still remain a faithful Olicity shipper(IMO they are endgame) but right now Felicity is way too good for Oliver...

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  160. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 16:32

    Oh right, there was actually a scene in the promo of Nyssa throwing Roy into a wall in what seemed like a hospital. Too bad it didn't make the cut.

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  161. Alex Forrest6 February 2014 at 16:36

    That would work because at least then Laurel would be someone I'm SUPPOSED to want to smack in the teeth half a dozen times per episode.

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  162. Play22546 February 2014 at 16:43

    Lance: What's the matter they dint teach you that right cross in assassin school. Best Quote lol Oliver and Sara were attacking him from both sides and Lance gets him with a right cross that was perfect.

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  163. Dahne6 February 2014 at 16:46

    This. At some point it goes from being a legitimate concern based on Moira's past history to simply snooping. Once she brought the matter up to Walter, it should have been done. Thea's dad is absolutely none of Felicity's business, especially when they believe Malcolm to be dead. It was bad storytelling that puts Felicity, my favorite character last year, in a bad light. As for Olvier's utter hypocrisy, that is another story all together. I hope when his family finds out he is the Arrow, they similarly turn on him. There is far too much sweeping actions under the rug because characters are fan favorites and then decrying anyone in conflict with them.

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  164. Dahne6 February 2014 at 16:51

    Except that it is not Felicity's right to force Moira into confession. This is a very personal decision Moira made a long time ago that has nothing to do with anything criminal. Felicity went way over board. The account was originally used to house the yacht. The only thing criminal about that is that it was evidence of a crime, one that Moira could not make public because of Malcolm. For all intents and purposes, it was a visual symbol of how much Moira had to lose.

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  165. Dahne6 February 2014 at 16:53

    Techincally blackmail would have been if the doctor came to Moira asking for money to keep her secret.

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  166. Dahne6 February 2014 at 16:56

    The whole thing should have ended with Felicity telling Walter about the account. Furthermore since the issue was obviously not one of security but instead intensely private, Felicity should have kept out of the Queen family business. This smacks more of Felicity's continual cyberstalking of Oliver instead of anything about protecting Starling City.

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  167. swanpride6 February 2014 at 17:03

    I would prefer Sara as Black Canary...she and Felicity and bond, have some nice girl talk. That's exactly what this show needs, a nice little female/female friendship.

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  168. Dahne6 February 2014 at 17:05

    I agree that the timing was bad. It should have been the next day or next week conversation after Laurel was done celebrating her sister's return. I think they have done an alarming disservice to the character by continually throwing Laurel under the bus to prop up Sara in the last few episodes, and I don't even like Laurel. They seem to be preparing to kill Laurel off or make her go evil.

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  169. Dahne6 February 2014 at 17:06

    It's not like Sara was trying to explain it to her anytime in the last 6 years. Sara has her reasons, but Laurel's emotional reaction was justified as well. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

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  170. Dahne6 February 2014 at 17:08

    Also it was Laurel standing in the outside, left behind, watching her parents reunite with Sara. She had to feel betrayed by them all, always the last to know.

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  171. Maka5566 February 2014 at 17:09

    Yeah. Moira had an illegitimate child. Ollie went around for the better part of a year MURDERING PEOPLE, and is still engaging in vigilantism. That's totally different.

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  172. Dahne6 February 2014 at 17:10

    Laurel also wasn't pro-Oliver when he came back. It took time for her to come around and see that he had changed. She hasn't had the time yet to reconcile her sister's betrayal. Plus she's got to be wondering about all these people being resurrected from the dead. That would put anyone in a tailspin.

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  173. swanpride6 February 2014 at 17:20

    Moira was involved in the undertaking, knew that the Gambit was sabotaged, knew who kidnapped Walter and was ready to keep quiet about Malcom's plan until Oliver called her out on it. And he forgave her for it. Now it turns out that his sister is actually his half-sister and her father is a mass murderer - and Moira, instead of coming clean about it, tried to threaten Felicity into silence. I think he has enough reasons to feel betrayed by her.
    And that is no even considering that we know that she did even worse - you know, like setting an assassin on Malcom and then murdering her partner in crime to cover up her involvement.
    Oliver keeps secrets to protect his family. Moira does it because she doesn't believe that her children would still love her if they knew the truth.

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  174. Bruce_F6 February 2014 at 18:32

    As Felicity put quite bluntly, she doesn't trust Moira and with good reason. So, super-shady Tempest account + new flagged activity + doctor info = something legitimately worth looking into. That's not snooping. That's a legitimate concern and doing her due diligence.

    When Felicity concluded the info she found was personal, she gave Moira the opportunity to deal with it. When Moira chose another path (trying to scare Felicity into silence) Felicity dealt with it herself because it wasn't a secret she could or should keep from Oliver.

    As for Moira, she's running for public office. There will be plenty of people looking for dirt on her and the next people to find something won't keep it in the family. She needs to get her damn ducks in a row or everything will blow up in her face.

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  175. ViKi6 February 2014 at 18:49

    I just can't picture myself throwing a glass to my back-from-the-death-sister after six years of grieving her. Ok, I'm an adult and Laurel is a little girl, but... no, wait...

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  176. 01lander6 February 2014 at 19:00

    Sara's great in every scene she's in. I prefer her and Felicity over Laurel for Oliver, and I preferred Shado over her for him too!

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  177. CCEkeke6 February 2014 at 20:21

    Here's the issue. Given Moira's previous shady dealings with Merlyn and the Undertaking, Felicity had every right to get to the truth. And as extraordinary as Felicity is, I doubt she is the only superhacker type in existence. If she could find out the truth about Thea, someone on Blood/Deathstroke's payroll can too.

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  178. O D A6 February 2014 at 20:29

    I think we will have to agree to disagree on Felicity's intentions about this matter. I believe this is one occasion where there will be two opinions about one thing.


    What I understand is that the Tempest account was used to make a dummy or shell corporation using which Moira rented a warehouse anonymously and salvaged Queens Gambit for investigating it. As you said it was an evidence of a crime which cost Robert's life and Oliver's and Sara's future. And you should remember while investigating that account for Walter Felicity first came across the symbol for undertaking which later they found in the notebook of Moira and Oliver. Moira might have been scared of Malcolm but her actions and her silence caused the death of 503 people. Even Oliver believed her mother deserved to be in jail and not go scot free.


    So Moira goes free and decides to run for Mayor and the first thing that happens is an activity on the very shady dummy corporation account which led to all the mess in season 1. Why shouldn't it be a concern even if Walter refused to do anything about it. Nothing good or legal has to be done using this much cloak and dagger methods. Even in season 1 Walter was not that transparent. So she investigated and found out the truth. And once knowing the truth I don't think she had any choice but to come clean to Oliver.


    I take offense to you saying Felicity was cyber stalking Oliver or the Queens. That is a wild accusation. I will say this again its not like Felicity heard about Moira's candidacy and decided to dig for dirt. She came across something nefarious happening and investigated and found out stuff not comfortable for everyone involved. Again I believed Felicity was warning Moira that she is going to tell Oliver the truth and you may want to come clean before that and For me she did the right thing. Both in warning Moira and coming clean to Oliver. About Oliver's high school grades I think that was writers way of making Felicity funny and turning out unsuccessful which is happening more often nowadays,


    I have written a whole post about Oliver's hypocrisy somewhere below so wont go into that.

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  179. Samantha Petrelli6 February 2014 at 20:34

    The episode was awesome and Sara is perfection and the true Black Canary always and forever ( I don't care what happens in the comics) !!!
    We finally learned something about Felicity. FINALLY
    But the end,damn it... Oliver went for the wrong blonde... hurts me deeply...

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  180. O D A6 February 2014 at 20:36

    Exactly. She is betrayed by them all. Sara who went with her boyfriend on that yacht and then kept on lying for next six years what ever may be the reason, Quentin who knew Sara was alive and lied to Laurel about it. And Quentin refused to believe anything that Laurel said these past episodes whether its about Blood or her OD ing, but was instantly ready to forgive Sara. It must have stung.

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  181. Samantha Petrelli6 February 2014 at 20:37

    and Moira is not to be trusted...

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  182. CCEkeke6 February 2014 at 20:39

    And don't forget, how they stole her life! Seriously though, I do think it was an honest reaction. Laurel finds out that the sister she believed was dead, who had also absconded with her then-boyfriend, has been alive all this time and almost got her killed. Its a bit much to take in.

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  183. Samantha Petrelli6 February 2014 at 20:41

    Moira is not to be trusted!!! Why can't people see that???

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  184. Samantha Petrelli6 February 2014 at 20:43

    but her loyalty is to Oliver...
    what they do is dangerous, he needs to have all the information to prevent future possible problems.

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  185. O D A6 February 2014 at 20:44

    I am not saying the character has become suddenly likeable. But it is canon from season 1 itself that Laurel was never over Sara's betrayal. I always felt she blamed Sara more for the boat fiasco than she blamed Oliver from her season 1 rantings about Sara to Quentin and Oliver. Remember she said to Quentin how Sara was not the perfect daughter and when Thea was in trouble Laurel said I see Sara's bad qualities and good qualities in Thea.


    Its quite clear that she never worked through the pain and anger of that incident. So for me her anger resonated true this episode than any other self righteous actions Laurel had done before.

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  186. Samantha Petrelli6 February 2014 at 20:48

    Finally someone that sees that Moira is evil!!! Never trusted the woman...
    KC is amazing, as usual. But I don't want her to become Black Canary, after all we learned about Sara, all she's been through... how can you compete with that???

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  187. Shannon6 February 2014 at 21:30

    Yeah definitely a pipe dream. I think on some Level Sara was trying to tell her something, but when Laurel snapped at her, then it was all grrr.

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  188. Shannon6 February 2014 at 21:33

    Then i guess my hutch was correct. Hahaha as well as a few others. I don't like to read/Know spoilers on seasons that haven't happened yet. I just go with the program. But thanks.

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  189. swanpride6 February 2014 at 21:37

    What bothered me about the dialogue is that Sara had a point. Laurel basically called her a bitch for pointing out that a known womanizer might not be very enthusiastic about settling down (in fact, Oliver wasn't, in a prior flashback it was pretty obvious that Laurel pushed him into more commitment than he wanted).

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  190. Shannon6 February 2014 at 21:45

    As do i. But Felicity first , hahaha. but again i'll say it's not their time yet, so i'm cool with Sara and Ollie. God i loveee when they work together!! Together they are sooo fucking awesome!! Their action scenes are incredible. They seriously better not get rid of Sara. It would be the worst mistake they ever make.

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  191. SamthaS6 February 2014 at 21:47

    Moira ruined her own relationship with Oliver when she decided not to tell him the truth.

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  192. Shannon6 February 2014 at 21:49

    Exactly! Totally agree. And i didn't appreciate the fact that Laurel just came along and took the remote out of Sara's hand and changed the channel!!! Wtf?? As a movie/tv buff, that's not cool. That bothered me. lol It really did,

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  193. David Fischer6 February 2014 at 21:55

    Sara already is a regular. She has been in pretty much every episode, whether in flashbacks or present day.. Even in the press releases she is no longer labeled a guest star.

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  194. David Fischer6 February 2014 at 22:05

    She was left standing watching the reunion from the outside because she wasn't supposed to be there. Quentin had enough on his plate and bringing along his drug-addict daughter to help rescue his kidnapped wife wasn't an option worth considering.


    If anything, Laurel betrayed her parents. Kicking Sarah out in the middle of the reuinion when she knows how they took Sara's death. Sarah could have disappeared all together and I don't think Quentin or Dinah would have recovered from it this time.

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  195. Shannon6 February 2014 at 22:10

    Lmao. Alex you're the best. That's the funniest shit i heard all day.

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  196. Koky6 February 2014 at 22:39

    I agree with you she wasn't investigating Moira she just found out and she can't keep a secret like that from Oliver so she thought it would be better for him to hear it from his mother but the way Moira threatened her and what she said about Oliver hating her was a very low blow and that's what made her tell him especially when he knew something was bothering her and kept asking what's wrong and the way Moira looked at her at the conference and Oliver was going to introduce Moira and talk about what a wonderful human being she is so Felicity couldn't keep lying to him, she was in a really difficult situation and didn't know what to do.

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  197. Koky6 February 2014 at 22:56

    That comment killed me I didn't even notice that whole remote storyline LOL

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  198. Koky6 February 2014 at 23:00

    Laurel was so annoying at that scene she practically coerced Oliver into moving in together and she even had the next 15 years of their live planned, what was she gonna do after the end of their scheduled living together year, buy him the ring?

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  199. Kathleen Kervin6 February 2014 at 23:08

    No. Felicity told Moira to tell Oliver the truth. When Moira asked Felicity what she was going to do since she (Moira) wasn't going to tell Oliver, Felicity admitted that her plan hadn't gone beyond going to the Queen house and confronting Moira.


    Felicity kept the secret but she was miserable because it was against her nature and because she felt a loyalty to Oliver but she was scared she would lose him, as Moira threatened. Oliver noticed twice that she was unhappy, and the second time forced her to tell him.

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  200. O D A6 February 2014 at 23:10

    I wonder about that too. It looks like they are putting more time in making Laurel unlikable than make her endearing to the audience. They can approach all these confrontations in a different and mature manner that a 28 yr old would do but now they are making Laurel react like a teenager. Either she dies or turn negative. No other option seems possible.

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