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Last Week in TV - Week of Feb. 2 - Episode Awards and Review

11 Feb 2014

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Welcome back to Last Week in TV where I search out the best (and sometimes worst) in the TV I watched and award it. This week the comedies were particularly strong. With the Olympics in full gear, the TV load is going to be light for a few weeks so don't forget to nominate those TV gems not already in my schedule. I may be able to do more than one. Thanks for reading and don't forget to hand out your own awards in the comments.


Overall Awards:


Episode of the Week - The Crazy Ones

This is my favorite The Crazy Ones yet, mostly because it allowed Robin Williams to spotlight his drama side as well as comedy.  I like how we got to see Simon's vulnerable side, and even more that Sydney is the one who is there for him.  The premise of having to write a eulogy for a universally hated man is inspired and funny funerals are a mainstay of comedy, but it was the father and daughter scene that made this episode.  Simon giving that eulogy about Melora's love for her father, and the parallels to his relationship with Sydney, allowed showman Simon to also be relatable Simon.  Well done by both Robin Williams and Sarah Michelle Gellar.  Plus, a naked Kurt Fuller is always ridiculous fun and who wouldn’t want a funeral as jazzy as this one.  Pomp and circumstance indeed.


Best Scene - Teen Wolf - Silverfinger 
Melissa takes care of Stiles, helping him sleep, and he calls her, "Mom" in his delirium

The Teen Wolf parents are the best on TV right now, and Melissa has embraced the whole pack, werewolf and human.  What makes this scene so poignant is that Stiles feels like he is literally going crazy.  He's so out of his element and Melissa does everything a mom would in the situation.  From tucking him in and palming his forehead to going to check on him later.  When Stiles, in his delirium, mistakes her for his own dead mother, it hits hard.  Was there anyone out there who didn't want Melissa to just adopt him on the spot?  Great acting by Dylan O'Brien and Melissa Ponzio.  Nothing else on TV came even close to the emotional punch of this scene.


Best Quote - Enlisted - 1.05 - Rear D Day - Pete:  "You've got to embrace the suck."

Let's face it.  Into everyone's life some suck must happen.  In this episode, Pete comes to grip with his rapid descent on the military ladder but it works in every situation.  "Embrace the suck" is my new mantra for early mornings getting ready for work.  It might actually be my quote of the year.


Best Entrance - SHIELD - T.R.A.C.K.S.  -  May stabs the man about to shoot Coulson and Ward

There were a lot of great entrances this week.  Derek slid into the action at Scott's home (TeenWolf), Nyssa descended on an overgrown scarf (Arrow), and Anana looked like a yeti before punching Sergio out (Helix), but May gets my vote.  First off there was far too little May in the episode before she took out the Italian diplomat.  Secondly, she took care of the shady politician before we had to deal with him for long.  Thanks May.  However, the real reason she gets the best entrance is because she is beaten and bloody, but so matter of fact about her return.  It's like they should have expected her to just appear and so life continues.



Best Action - Arrow - Heir to the Demon - Nyssa vs. Oliver

Arrow does kick butt females very well, and Nyssa was no exception.  She was well trained by her father, as seen when her bow and arrow fight with Olvier changes to hand-to-hand combat.  I adore Arrow's action scenes and this one was even better than most.  Her ability to change mid-fight shows her to be a very worthy opponent.  I cannot wait until she comes back.




Most Ludicrous - Elementary - Corpse de Ballet - The lawyer did it

The lawyer framed his client so that he could get media attention.  Are you kidding me, show?  That's lame.  Not to mention, what celebrity would NOT hire a criminal lawyer to defend her instead of her everyday lawyer?  Makes NO sense!  Evenin today's celebrity-driven world, murdering for fame is excessive.






Nominated Show:  Black Sails - 1.01 - Pilot

Even if this episode were an A for plot, I would still not continue to watch Black Sails because it is not my type of show.  There is too much nudity, cursing, and even the violence was a bit too much for me.  However, there is merit for those who are less bothered by those things.  The story is rich with avenues to go down.  The almighty British navy makes it a personal crusade to exterminate pirates, while the search for the greatest treasure to ever sail consumes the pirate captain.  The speeches are rallying and the dialogue witty in places.  The biggest problem with this episode is that it dragged in the middle.  Pilots often have to set up a lot of plot so exposition is expected.  Still this episode felt like it was two hours long.  The beginning and ending were full of action and intrigue.  The politics and character introductions, not so much.  The greatest TV sin for me is to bore me and I found myself watching the clock one third of the way through.  If this had been the typical 42 minutes, I would have liked it better.  That being said, I could see this show picking up dramatically in the subsequent episodes.  The characters are fun and diverse, especially Gates who steals the show.  The idea of a pirate captain showdown adds interesting tension to the island scenes as well, especially since Drake and Flint seem to have history with almost everyone there.  All in all, Black Sails is not for me but for those who like more R rated TV and want a good bloody fight, check it out.

Grade:  C+
Ranking:  5

Best Scene - Gates asks Guthrie for money

Best Quote - Flint:  "Civilization is coming and it means to exterminate us.  If we are to survive, we must unite behind our own king."  Billy:  "We have no kings here."  Flint:  "I am your king."

Best Reason to Watch - Gates

Best Speech - Flint's rallying cry to the masses

Best Action - sword fight


Best Twist - Flint gets rid of Singleton by making Billy complicit in his accusation

Most Annoying Theme Song - the graphics are great but the theme song sounds like rhythmic static

Funniest Moment - the guy in the hideous fake teeth jumps out at Gates, who is unimpressed


The "Something's Never Change" Award - pranking the new guy


Weekly Shows:

Almost Human - 1.09 - Unbound

Almost Human took a huge leap forward in having a mytharc this episode.  With the introduction of John Larroquette as the cybernetics scientist nursing a huge grudge, they have a potential Big Bad.  It helps that Dorian somewhat looked at him like a father and Rudy, as a hero.  Having personal stakes in the villain usually makes the story more compelling.  Plus, Dr. Vaughn is smart.  Here's hoping it isn't too little, too late for the series, which keeps getting better.

Grade:  B

Best Scene - John reassures Dorian that he isn't like Vaughn or Danica

Best Quote - Maldonado:  "How's he handling this?"  John:  "Must be a hell of a thing to meet your maker, to be betrayed by him."

Best Speech - Rudy gushes over Dr. Vaughn / Vaughn talks about creating the DRN's


***Best Action - taking out the XRN in the bar

Most Creepy - faceless android


***Most Disgusting - The XRN cuts out the guy's eye / eye ball popsicle

The Worst Decorating Trend - Paul:  "She painted the walls with a lab assistant"

The "Are You Kidding Me?" Award - Nice new body the XRN took.  Nothing like a geek boy, video game warrior fantasy to showcase your eye candy.

The "Don't Talk Just Run" Award - Everyone who talks to the XRN dies.  She  seems to be triggered by sound, so just quickly skedaddle and all will be well.


Funniest Moment - Rudy bows in the presence of Dr. Vaughn


Teen Wolf - 3.17 - Silverfinger

Teen Wolf was largely a vehicle to exposit the new mytharc this week but it did have some hard hitting emoitonal moments and wow, that ending!  More on my feelings about this show can be found in the recap and podcast.  Basically everything Melisa and Stiles was a huge win.

Grade:  B+

Best Awww Moment - Stiles clutches Melissa's hand as she pulls the covers over him

Best Improvement - Derek is competent and has useful knowledge.  If only that was the case when he was an alpha.

MVP - Melissa

Biggest Question - What the heck is going on with Stiles the Lightning Bug Killer and what does it have to do with his dead mom?

The "Say What?" Award - Scott shows Kira his werewolf form in full daylight near a crowded road
I guess secret identity is no longer a concern.  Why not post a Vimeo, Scott?

The "Why Bother" Award - Plan B never works on any genre show.  Just skip to Plan E (Wing It) and save yourself some time.

The "No Idea, but it Made Me Laugh" Award - Argent asking Isaac's size and then the slow pan to the trunk rising.  It was like a bear was going to pop out of it or something.  Way to create everyday drama, Teen Wolf.

The "Time to Bring Back the Vocabulary Lessons" Award - Isaac needs a refresher on what the word ridiculous means.

The "Who Doesn't These Days" Award - Isaac:  "Guys, they have a werewolf too."

The "Déjà vu" Award - Melissa walks in on a tough conversation between Scott and his dad.  "Be your own anchor," guys.


Intelligence - 1.05 - Cain & Gabriel

This is my favorite episode of Intelligence so far.  I like the high stakes, but even more we got to see Lillian at her best.  She came off rather dry in previous episodes.  By bringing her dad in, we got to see another side of her and the ending scene showed she's not afraid to get dirty.  I like her combination of practicality, idealism, and ruthlessness.  Altogether a thoroughly satisfying hour of TV.

Grade:  B+

Best Scene - Lillian puts a hit out on Hector

Best Quote - Gabriel:  "Just get the girl, put her in the car, and get out of there."  Riley:  "Unless of course he asks me to dance.  In which case I'm going to break out my cha-cha."  Lillian:  "Stay focused."  Gabriel:  "I vote for the cha-cha."

Most Terrifying - Kidnapper puts chain saw by kidnapped girl's head

Best Pitching Arm - Gabriel.  I guess those college sports days really paid off.

Smartest Cookie - Lillian figures out that Hector is allied with the US government

Biggest Twist - Riley goes with the kidnappers to be with the girl

***Best Character Interaction - Lillian and Leland


SHIELD - 1.13 - T.R.A.C.K.S.

SHIELD experimented with a non-linear form of storytelling in this episode that started out very confusing to me but in the end worked.  We had a return of several characters and we got a Stan Lee cameo.  However, the big punch focused on Skye being shot.  The only problem is that I don't care one iota if Skye dies so it fell a little flat for me.

Grade:  C+

Best Character Interaction - Fitz and Skye
They don't usually get a whole lot of time together but I liked how their skills complemented each other and each was able to shine through parts of the episode.

Funniest Scene - Ward and Coulson try to work the holotable

Best Quote - Fitz:  "Just allow me these rare moments of self-pity, okay?  You're the least supportive pretend girlfriend I've ever had."

The Thanks Award - Fitz chooses American to keep us from more of Skye's Scottish accent

Most Ludicrous - Coulson and Simmons talk about being undercover in a crowded train car with someone sitting right behind Simmons.  Are you kidding me?  (Sigh and eye roll)

Best Twist - making it look like the train disappeared instead of them losing time

Best Reason to Fast Forward - the awkward Ward and Coulson talk about Ward's relationship with May

Most Confused:  Ward Coulson Simmons  me

The "I Don't Get It" Award - How does putting someone in a hyperbaric chamber keep them from dying of blood loss?  Even if you put her in a coma, how does that help her pulse come back and restart her breathing?  Also, how does the hyperbaric chamber keep her from sustaining more blood loss even if it is slower?


The "I Know It's Important but I Don't Know Why" Award - Deathlok.  Yeah, I know nothing about comics.


The Goldbergs - 1.15 - Muscles Mirsky

Don't we all have a Muscles Mirsky in our childhood?  Aren't we all glad for that?  I do love how they brought up the ability of men and women to just be friends.  Now if more shows would remember that and not cave into fan pressure, TV would be a much better world.

Grade:  B

Funniest - Adam and Emmy have a Chiclet before almost kissing

Best Quote - Mirsky:  "I came all the way over here to chat?  Why do we even have walkie talkies?"

Best Moment - All the males watching TV around Erica and Beverly fighting

Evil Childhood Flashback Moment - Beverly:  "I'm not mad.  I'm just disappointed."
I hated when my parents used this one on me.

The "Embrace Your Inner Nancy Reagan" Award - Beverly gives the "this is your brain on drugs" demonstration

Worst Contest - worms on the forehead

Biggest Hollywood Lie - Women and men cannot be friends without it getting romantic or sexual.  See any show involving male and female partners, except Elementary, for example.  Urgh!!!

Worst Mood Music  - whale sounds

Best Reaction - Adam and Mirsky to Harry and Sally kissing


***Best Music - Kyrie Eleison by Mr. Mister


Trophy Wife - 1.14 - Foxed Lunch

Grade:  B

Best Scene - Pete, Warren, and Bert do the slo-mo victory walk out of the dojo

Best Moment - Pete and Diane commisserate after showing off for their kids

Best Quote - Kate:  "I'm going into business with Jackie."  Diane:  "Oh, you poor, sweet, dear fool."

Best Interaction - Kate and Jackie

The "Say What?" Award - Hilary is excited about dressing like her mom

Smartest Move - Hilary lets Diane win the race

The "I Never Knew That" Award - Who knew they had assigned seats at the movies?  And exactly why do they have assigned seats at the movies?

Best Reaction - Hilary to the energy shake that makes Diane's "kidneys hum"

Best Throw Down - Pete vs. Sensei



Arrow - 2.13 - Heir to the Demon

Ever since the midseason break, Arrow has been the show most consistently disappointing me.  They have some great elements but then they cave to the ludicrous, make me hate a character I previously loved, or throw a character under the bus in order to elevate another.  For a show that was doing so well at the beginning of the season, it feels like whoever went off to the Flash spin-off needs to return to keep things from trainwrecking.  In this episode, the good (the action, everything Nyssa, happy Lance flashbacks, most of Sara) was balanced by the bad (Felicity, Oliver, the complete trashing of Laurel in order to gain more sympathy for Sara, who never needed it in the first place), turning it into a mess.  

Grade:  C (half of the episode was great, the other half sucked out loud)

Best Scene - Blood and Moira talk about her candidacy

***Best Action - Arrow vs. Nyssa

Best Quote - Sara:  "He released Malcolm Merlyn."  Nyssa:  "An action he and the citizens of this city dearly regret."  Truer words were never spoken.

Best Switch - no island flashbacks

Best Moment - Quentin takes out the LoA guy with a right cross, after he takes down Arrow and Sara

Best Reason to Watch - all the action

Biggest Hypocrite - Oliver:  "And now you've made a liar out of me..."  Really Oliver?  Your mom made you a liar?  Are you really sticking with this story?

The "You Suck as a Person" Award - Felicity and her meddling into things that weren't her business

Biggest Surprise - the Lances were happy, smiling, and having fun together.  Best flashbacks yet.

The "Hey, At Least it wasn't Laurel" Award - Dinah Lance is kidnapped, officially making it a family hobby

Best Non-Use of a Flashback - When Oliver says, "not again" over Sara's dying body and the music swelled, I felt sure we were heading back to the island.  Good choice not to.


Melissa and Joey - 3.20 - Feel the Burn

Melissa and Joey always makes me laugh but sometimes it gets uncomfortable when the two of them act less mature than the kids on the show.  What I like about this episode is that both characters admit they were wrong in the end.  It was a great moment that reminds me of why I like these characters in the first place.

Grade:  B-

Best Scene - Lennox and Melissa make flaming cheese

Best Reason to Watch - Mel and Joe act like adults at the end

Most Sympathetic Character - Zander

Best Quote - Mel:  "You know I think Chef Sunderland and Sergeant Longo deserve more respect than either of us showed them today."  Joe:  "I think you're right."

MIA - Ryder

Best Emotional Blackmailer - Joe


Best Screencap - flaming cheese hug


TBBT - 7.15 - The Locomotion Manipulation

After 7 years, it feels like Sheldon might be growing as a character.  Woo hoo!   

Grade:  B

Best Scene - Amy finally tells off Sheldon / Sheldon is blasé about kissing Amy when summing up the weekend to Leonard

Best Moment - Sheldon and Amy finally kiss

Best Quote - Sheldon:  "Amy, what are the odds we run into this guy?"  Waiter:  "Better than you think."

Best Prepared - Amy for circumventing all of Sheldon's objections before he made them

Best Reaction - Penny is far more excited about Lakers tickets than she would be about jewelry

Funniest - Sheldon makes a new friend           



Crazy Ones - 1.15 - Dead and Improved

Grade:  A-

Best Scene - the kick butt funeral

Best Awww Moment - Sydney tells Simon he doesn't need to worry about his legacy

Best Quote - Simon:  "You want a true picture of a man.  See him through his daughter's eyes, that's his legacy.  To be deeply loved if not widely, truly loved by the one person who knows you best, wow.  That's as good as it gets."

Best Comeback - When Simon tells the jingle singers that they made the jingle sound like a Gold record, they politely inform him that they have a gold record, 2 platinums, and a Grammy between them. 

Most Manipulative - Melora's lip quiver

Worst Tagline Ever - Why Not Charmin

The "Only in Advertising" Award - the focus group whether people like a dead guy or not for his eulogy

Funniest Moment - Fred starts using his voice-over voice to describe the situation with naked Mitchell / passing the Charmin at the funeral

Best Funeral Ever - not only is the music great, but you get a gift bag for attending

Best Use of Music - the choir sings The Glory of Love, the Jimmy Durante classic


Elementary - 2.15 - Corpse de Ballet

What I liked best about this episode is that it continues Sherlock's progression as a human.  I adored that he ended up asking Joan if she wanted to go hand out blankets to the homeless.  This more altruistic Sherlock, not for the blankets but to help his partner find her father, is a real bonus.  While the back story of Joan was abrupt and basically thrown in for no reason, it also gave reason for Joan to be separate from Sherlock, pursuing her own cases.  I like that better than them having an argument or other some such contrived nonsense.  If you are going to give actors a bit of a reprieve in a show, this is the way to do it. 

Grade:  B -   (A- for character development, D for the cases)

Best Scene - Sherlock suggests giving out blankets to the homeless with Joan

Most Blunt - Sherlock's note:  "Coitus in progress or recently concluded."

Best Surprise - Marcus is back on the scene

Best Quote - Sherlock:  "Go, I shall endeavor to keep my fandom in check without you."
May we all follow your example, Sherlock.

Best Reveal - Watson's father is schizophrenic and homeless

Most Clueless - Lanzer thinks she can fly to another country when she's a murder suspect

The "Say What?" Award - Sherlock sleeps with a murder suspect and calls it research for the case

Idea That Surprisingly Worked - Watson and Sherlock working separate cases.  Too bad the cases were not very interesting in their own right.


Enlisted - 1.05 - Rear D Day

This episode is another example of Enlisted tackling tough subjects with a lot of humor and heart.  If you are not watching this show, you really need to.  In this one we see the role of gender in the military and the difficulties of family life when a parent is deployed.  Both are handled with great laughs.  Plus we all need to remember to embrace the suck sometimes.


Grade:  B

Best Scene - Randy tells Pete to embrace his own suck and then they all cry about loving their mom

Biggest Awww Moment - Perez tells Cody he is being a good dad just by caring

Funniest Scene - Pete goes ballistic on Rodney's yard and starts shooting baseballs at them

Funniest Moment - Cody celebrates Pete's newfound attitude with a confetti popper

Weirdest Quote - Perez:  "Yes, I'm good at my job and I smell like America."

The "Are You Kidding Me?" Award - Cody asks Perez about pads.  I agree with Perez.  Let's not.  Ever.

The "Ouch" Award - Randy tells Pete off for going after Rodney in front of his son AND Perez tells Cody he is treating her poorly

The "You Kind of Scare Me" Award - Perez, who knows how to best kill someone with oranges

Best Use of a Broomstick - to make a wizard rescue movie


Helix - 1.06 - Aniqatiga

We are starting to get a lot of answers on Helix, and the missing children plot is impressive.  I really like the new character, Anana.  I can't wait to see what happens when she sees Daniel, or when Daniel is confronted with the lies Hatake told him.  Julia was also impressive in this episode, although she is a little slow on what we all already know.  She was experimented on as a chils.  Time to fight through the memories and get to the bottom line.  Why is Hatake so creepy about Julia?  It's disturbing.  The other problem, Alan is still as insufferable as always.  He actually brings my grade down all by himself.

Grade:  C+

MVP - Julia, who drove the plot of the episode in almost every scene, even ones she wasn't in

Biggest Awww - Alan says goodbye to Doreen (VetLady)

Best New Addition - Anana, Arctic Warrior
-Ice Doctor, you would have won hands down on any other episode with your Three Stooges and vodka.  Sadly, warrior women stole your spotlight.

Best Twist - Daniel is a missing twin and Anana's brother

Biggest Shock - CDC Junio admits to administering a lethal dose of morphine instead of hiding it
-All CDC people cause massive problems when they hide things.  For the first time, one of them did not.

Creepy Child Alert - It's never a good sign when a child is laughing in genre shows.  Never.

The "How Many Horcruxes did You Create?" Award - Pete, who just won't die

The "Not Them Again" Award - rats!  Why is it always rats or monkeys on this show?

Most Creepy - Hatake humming over an unconcious Julia, while stroking her hair

Worst Thanksgiving/ Funniest Scene - Julia's dream dinner complete with sibling rivalry, starving guests, and goo-filled turkey.







Screencaps by Gotta Watch It, Screencapped.net, Enlisted on FOX, EDNA, Geek Nation, Entertainment Outlook, SpoilerTV, Comics Bulletin, Happy Nice Time People, Paste Magazine, Serietivu, Zap to It, Awesome DL, One of the Exact Sciences, Really Late Reviews, and Twitter.



About the Author - Dahne
One part teacher librarian - one part avid TV fan, Dahne is a contributing writer for SpoilerTV, where she recaps, reviews, and creates polls for Sleepy Hollow, Arrow, White Collar, Grimm, Teen Wolf, and others. She's addicted to Twitter, live tweets a multitude of shows each week, co-hosts the Sleepy Hollow "Headless" and Teen Wolf "Welcome to Beacon Hills" podcasts for Southgate Media Group, and guests on ArrowCast for DVMPE. Right now she is creating a Last Week in TV column for her blog and SpoilerTV. ~ "I speak TV."

73 comments:

  1. So what is your pick for best episode of the week? Also please don't forget to nominate a new show for me to try. The Olympics are making new TV a bit slim pickings.


    PS - I do intend to make The Musketeers weekly TV for me, but I am not caught up yet so I won't include it until I am.

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  2. Almost Human-


    Worst decorating trend - lol Yeah.

    The eye scene definitely made me grimace. I'm so squeamish about the eyes. (Doesn't beat the eye scene in The Avengers though. Yikes.)

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  3. I have a very low threshhold for the gruesome, which is kind of weird since almost every show I watch goes for the gross. Let's jsut say the shows I can eat during are very limited.

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  4. I've got a strong stomach. However, I wince and feel empathetic for the victim.

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  5. We will have to agree to disagree about Felicity because I think she was a nosy, gossipy witch in this episode. I am still hoping they will bring her back to favorite character status again like she was last year, so I am keeping hope alive. Enlisted is becoming oneof my favorite shows. They do such a great job of grounding the humor in heart.


    I have not seen True Detective, but one of my most critical reviewer friends said the last 10 minutes was the best TV will be in 2014. That is amazingly high praise. The only thing stopping me from checking it out is the fact that it is on HBO. Black Sails was too much for me and I expect HBO would only be worse. Plus I was told that the story creeps along for the first few episodes and I'm an action viewer.


    As for Supernatural, the idea that the brothers are still in a rift with even more contrived drama has me rethinking a summer rewatch. I think it is time for me to just let this one die. Such a shame since it was my favorite show for 7 years. I do want to get into Psych but I have a lot of catching up to do. I just ordered the musical so I look forward to watching it soon. No TWD for me, but I am excited to hear Aldis Hodge was on it. It too miss Leverage something fierce. He was always one of my favorite characters and I hope he is in something I want to watch soon. Better yet, I'm still hoping for that Leverage spin-off movie. A girl can dream right?


    Thanks so much for adding your thoughts on TV this week. It's always great to hear what other people thought and find all the great shows I have missed. Here's hoping the next couple of weeks doesn't interrupt your TV viewing too much.

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  6. If you can deal with the creep along True Detective is absolutely worth it. There's very little nudity and the violence doesn't every get too gory or bloody. (I understand that was part of the reason you dislike Black Sails) Cursing there's quite a lot of however but it works for the show



    Honestly the first half of season 9 really gave me hope but ever since midseason Supernatural has just been downhill. I'm mostly just sticking with it for catharsis at this point.

    And a Leverage movie in any capacity would make me super happy.

    Thanks for doing this every week. Think I'll stop by again next week (or whenever you choose to do it next since I know not much is going on this week.)

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  7. If it is one of the three, I am usually good. It's generally when nudity, language,and graphic violence combine that I just can't take it. I will put True Detective On my list when it comes out on DVD. Thanks. I don't have HBO so I can't see it before then. Sorry to hear SPN is letting you down. I heard some positive things about it at the beginning of the season. I hope it picks up for you soon.


    I will be posting next week as well. In fact, I am kind of looking forward to it because I can spend more on each show that airs. It will be a nice switch before sweeps and the run towards finales. I am glad you are going to continue sharing your thoughts. It's so much more fun when we can get a discussion going.

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  8. I'm glad Felicity intervened.. Oliver has to know..

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  9. Favorite episode: Banshee. It was great to have focus on Hood and Carrie and the change of pace worked well (though I am happy that it looks like we will be back to normal next week).

    Best scene: True Detective. The last scene of this weeks episode was amazing. Both actors are doing an fantastic job and I can´t wait for the next episode.

    Black sails....too much nudity and violence....sound like a show for me. I´ll check it out. :-)

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  10. Alan Martins Rodrigues11 February 2014 at 10:10

    The Crazy Ones was so good, it felt like a season finale-level episode to me. I'm loving this show very much and I really hope it doesn't get cancelled.

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  11. I don't watch any of the other shows mentioned but I respectfully disagree on a lot of what has been said about Arrow. I do agree on the Oliver bit though, regarding his reaction to the truth about Thea's parentage. He has a right to be upset with Moira but somehow his choice of words didn't sit well with me. Can be an initial overreaction to a shocking news but something tells me this strain in the mother-son relationship won't be resolved for some time.
    I am actually in two minds about Felicity. On one hand, I completely agree with the author that she had no business to even find out about Thea in the first place, let alone be the one to break the news to Ollie. But I think she feels she owed it to Walter, considering he was the one who asked her to look into Tempest to begin with. And of course, we have seen her relationship with Ollie evolve over these one and a half years. I am not even going to go into the romantic feelings she harbours for him. If I find out something like this about a friend, I wouldn't be able to live with not telling him/her about it. Yes, it's personal, yes, it wasn't her place to interfere but I can't judge her situation as black and white. It's more about where she was coming from and how Oliver had a right to know, albeit from his mother.
    In regards to Laurel and Sara, I personally don't favour either sister over the other in terms of some of their actions and consequences. Sara is clearly a better-written character though who actually has a purpose hence I like to watch her more than Laurel. I don't like Laurel and being a late viewer to this episode, already having read some reviews, I was so prepared to despise her. But i didn't. Ya, she was fairly pointless in the rest of the episode but her end confrontation with Sara was necessary. She needed to have that breakdown. In that scene, I did not see her as a character I wish didn't exist. I saw a woman betrayed by her sister, the sister who her then boyfriend cheated on her with. It's hard to forget something like that. I do think she is relieved to see Sara alive, but she can't yet forget why her family is broken now.
    Nyssa was a pleasure to watch and we saw some of the best action thanks to her. I don't know if Katrina Law will appear in more episodes but as someone who has no clue whatsoever regarding what goes on in DC comics, I will more than welcome seeing her again.

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  12. Sorry, but Vikings cannot be nominated again until next season. I promise you that it is on my list to continue watching. :-)

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  13. Glad that the nominated show is to your taste. The nomination process is one of my favorite things about this column. We all get to hear about shows we may have missed this way.

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  14. Actually I gave it a try today. I didn´t mind the violence, the nudity seemed forced and fake to me and the plot was not good enough for me to watch more than the two episodes I checked out.

    But hey, it is always good to try something new. :-)

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  15. Yeah, but the next season starts this month....or do you mean a different kind of season?

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  16. I felt the nudity was completely gratuitous too. I only saw the pilot, but I am sorry that the second episode didn't develop the story more. At least it can go in the discard pile instead of the ever growing "maybe later" one.

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  17. "But I think she feels she owed it to Walter, considering he was the one who asked her to look into Tempest to begin with."
    I think going to him was right but that should have been the end of it. She trusts Walter. He wasn't worried about it. He obviously knows something she doesn't. The end.


    I think Laurel has every right to be angry too. I didn't have a problem with most of her scenes. However Nyssa was definitely the winner of the night. I hope we see more of her soon.

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  18. I mean the 2013-2014 TV season. Sorry. That's the only fair way I can do it. Plus if I stay perpetuallt behind, I can't be roped into a podcast about it and I am much too busy to do that right now. :-P

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  19. Too bad...you know, the second season will have only 10 episodes...with 19 episodes there is less of Vikings in two seasons than other TV shows have in one...so if you ever pick one from the "maybe" pile, it would be the one which makes the least work....and aren't most shows in hiatus either way when Viking airs?
    (Yeah, I know, but I really want everyone to see the awesomeness which is Lagertha...my favourite female character currently on TV).

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  20. I think the main reason why I am firmly team Sara is because Sara accepts that the mistakes she made are her mistake, her responsibly, and she is truly sorry about it. While Laurel is full of shit when she tells Sara that she "stole her life". You can make a case for Sara being responsible for the family breaking up if you don't know that staying away for so long wasn't exactly her choice. But she is not responsible for the undertaking, CNRI getting destroyed, Tommy dying and Laurel taking drugs - and those are the main reasons why Laurel's life is pretty much ruined right now, and even with Laurel's limited perspective there is no fathomable reason why Sara should be responsible for any of this aside from Laurel's tendency to shift her own guilt to everybody else (and believing that nobody suffered as badly as her, which is even outside of the reality of the show pretty much BS).

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  21. It's at the very, very top of my to-watch list and the Olympics are on right now, so if I can get things done early I'll be watching the 4th episode this week. Lagertha is amazing!

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  22. If you have the opportunity, drop me a line what you are thinking. I did consider nominating episode 4 and 5 - I mostly picked 3 because it was a better pick for "new watchers"

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  23. Well I don't see lot of shows but agree with almost all that you have said except Arrow. We discussed about Felicity in detail before so won't get into it. I disagree.


    About Laurel and Sara this episode I wouldn't say they were trying to put Laurel down so that they can make Sara look sympathetic. I am still confused about this. Because unlike everyone else this episode actually made Laurel more likable for me. The scene where Moira comes to tell her and Quentin about Sara being on the boat was devastating and kind of made me understand why Laurel would react the way she did. Sara sleeping again with Oliver knowing her sister is still feeling betrayed knocked some points from her for me this episode.


    So I would say for some few people like me the writers actually made Laurel a better character this episode and that was their aim. The problem is the fandom is so tired of half baked stories and motivations for Laurel that they don't care anymore and want the character gone. I think more harm was done to Laurel by that cheap revelation on the island by Sara few episodes before than this episode.

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  24. But you can also say that she didn't mean about her job loss or drug addiction or Tommy dying. She meant about her parent's marriage, her fathers alcohol problem and her own problems with commitment. If you have read Arrow comics last season there is a Tommy Laurel edition in which you can see that Laurel clearly has a commitment problem due to what happened to her. Doesn't make her right I know but understandable under the conditions.

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  25. She specifically said that Sara is responsible for everything which went wrong and that she "stole her life away".
    Hell, in an earlier episode she asked "what is wrong with me that everybody leaves", putting Tommy on the list of people who left her.
    This and her last outburst (which was really cruel to her parents btw) make her look like a self-centred spoiled brat. Which might be acceptable if she actually were a teenager. But she is suppose to be a grown up woman.

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  26. Yes that is what I meant by Sara being a better-written character. I won't label myself as being 'Team Sara' but the progress she's made as a result of what she went through in those six years at least makes her an interesting watch, something I find missing in Laurel.
    I think everything you mentioned about Tommy and all is legitimate but I do feel that Laurel started spiralling downwards when she found out about the affair between Ollie and Sara. These happenings just added to it, pushing her towards drugs. In the flashbacks, I did not see her have a strained relationship with her sister, they were pretty fond of each other so I understand her betrayal. And specially because we saw Sara get hot and heavy with Ollie in the very next scene. That left a bitter taste in my mouth.
    Laurel is a portrayed as being petty and selfish, which is why I don't like her and I don't think I ever will, but I can understand where she was coming from in her outburst. I hope this makes sense :)

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  27. It is but I think she was overwhelmed. It won't hurt to give her the benefit of the doubt and wait until the next time the two sisters meet and then let's see how she reacts. I think am going to judge Laurel on how much she holds on to this outburst and not the outburst itself :)

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  28. I know where you're coming from and I admit Felicity was wrong. But her feelings for Ollie makes it complicated for me to judge her. Had he just been her boss, I'm sure she wouldn't have bothered but she really cares about him and she wants him to know the truth about his sister's parentage. IMO Thea deserved it even more but Felicity didn't go to her because she knows this is not her place subconsciously. But she also can't seem to keep it from Ollie, it was killing her. I don't like what she did but considering her state of mind, it's hard to outrightly dismiss her for her poor choice.
    Nyssa was amazing and I do think we haven't seen the last of her :)

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  29. Nominated another BBC show for you, it doesn't start for another week or so I'm afraid but you might be able to find some of the older episode to catch up on as it's been running on and off for the past 17 years or so. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118363/?ref_=nv_sr_1

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  30. Alan Martins Rodrigues12 February 2014 at 11:50

    The way I see it, Laurel thought she wanted her sister back (we can tell this from her reaction to her glimpses of Sara) but, when push came to shove and she was actually alive and well, it all came down on her, all of these feels she harbored and never sorted through for six years were too strong and she just exploded. Good timing or not.

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  31. It makes sense to me. Sara being a better written character doesn't make her a better person than Laurel. I found the flashback and the current scenes last episodes as a parallel. In both cases when Laurel is mean to Sara she goes and sleeps with Oliver. And Oliver is a douche when it comes to Lance sisters. Last episode proved that nothing has changed when it comes to these three.


    But I would agree it is less annoying to see Sara on screen than Laurel. But would I like her this much when Laurel is written off or killed? I am not sure. She is still a bit selfish for me.

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  32. Love Arrow action scenes! Can't get enough. Absolutely LOVED SSheldon kissing Amy on TBBT. ANd Melissa and Joey are so cute together....That is all. Lol (my most shortest comment ever.)

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  33. But Laurel didn't "spiral downwards" - she finished law school, had a nice career and another boyfriend. She "spiralled downwards" after the undertaking because she feels guilty about Tommy's dead and is now trying to shove the guilt away from her to whoever else is available. First it was the Arrow, now it's Sara. Who is her little sister she believed dead for five years and just barely survived a poisoning. And when it comes to the "betrayal" - Oliver is at least as responsible as Sara for this one, and she didn't just forgave him (eventually, but even at the start she was nowhere as unreasonable as with Sara), she slept with him again.
    I don't think that those flashbacks make Laurel look good - if anything they made Sara look better. Beforehand, I found what she did pretty much inexcusable (because there is a clear border to sibling rivalry), but found that she had paid a high price for it. But now Laurel is the one who looks pretty bad in this whole affair. She went after Oliver knowing fully well that Sara was interested in him and then has the gall so give her a speech that she would be "so supportive" if Sara were in love. She practically calls Sara a bitch because she dares to suggest that Oliver might not be behind her three year plan. She is shown as self-centred and domineering (taking the remote and just changing the channel on Sara, searching for an apartment in Oliver's absence in order to "present" him the perfect one instead of involving him in such an important decision).
    Until the last two episodes I was still convinced that the writers were trying to salvage Laurel's character, but now it really looks like they are trying to make her as unlikable as possible while boosting Sara....which (and there I agree with Daphe) isn't really necessary, they should just get rid of Laurel in a gentle way and be done with it. It doesn't change the fact though that Laurel becomes more unlikable each episode.

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  34. The action on Arrow is really the stuff of big-budget movies this season. It's up there with shows like Alias and Nikita in terms of production values and how impressive the stunts and fights are. Hand-to-hand combat is always my favorite, but they're great at all types of action scenes. This week, I loved the car-motorcycle chase with Arrow/Canary going after Nyssa and her cohort - especially the part where Nyssa fires arrows at Oliver's motorcycle and he has to rear it up to block them - and the Arrow/Nyssa fight. The parkour and zip-lining is always cool to see and like Dahne, I love how they switched from an arrow-fight (bow-fight? Like gunfight? I have no idea) to hand-to-hand fighting. It's cool how Oliver uses his bow for different purposes in a fight.


    I also agree that Nyssa was great and can't come back soon enough. Never watched Spartacus but Katrina Law was awesome in this role. She really gave Nyssa this poise and elegance all while making her believably dangerous and deadly. She even pulled off the emotional part of the role with Nyssa's love for Sara, despite the somewhat hard-to-swallow transition from nearly murdering Sara's parents to releasing her from the League.


    I'm officially over Laurel, but I can't disagree that it seems like the writers have gone from failing to make her likable to deliberately making her unlikable. Maybe they think that "breaking her down to make her a heroine" entails making her utterly detestable to the audience, because then she would have to redeem herself (why? Does every hero have to be born out of the need to atone for something?). I really don't understand what they're trying to do with the character.

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  35. Timing aside, I'm fine with her lashing out at Sara for sleeping with Oliver because there are no words to describe how awful that is. She really betrayed Laurel there. But I just can't excuse Laurel's rant about how Sara ruined her life because that is complete BS and making Sara a scapegoat for Laurel's problems. At least the Lance family falling apart was directly connected to Sara "dying" at sea, even if Sara couldn't know it would happen when she got on the boat... but how is Laurel's current downward spiral related to that? It all started when Tommy died and Laurel projected her own guilt onto the Arrow, which in turn made that guilt deepen. Add a couple of near-death experiences and she started drinking and using drugs to cope with her issues, which got her fired and potentially disbarred. Her father kept trying to help her and she kept telling him to take a hike. I'm not slamming her for all of that in and of itself, but it's time for her to act like an adult and take responsibility for her own part in wrecking her life (which is much bigger than Sara's). Going ballistic at Sara for things that aren't her fault is bad enough, but to do it right in the middle of the family reunion after Sara was thought dead for 6 years is grossly unsympathetic. She should've been more considerate of not only Sara's feelings, but her parents'.


    Why the writers are portraying Laurel this way, I have no idea, but I can't excuse her behavior just because they seem to be throwing her under the bus on purpose. In the end, she's a fictional character - meaning she is what the writers make her, whatever their reasons are.

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  36. I don't think it's fair or realistic to define Quentin and Dinah's marriage falling apart as Laurel's life being ruined. Laurel still graduated from law school and had a successful career and last season a boyfriend. So even if I can understand Laurel, from her PoV, blaming Sara for the direct results of the shipwreck - the effect on the Lance family - I can't see it as an excuse for a statement like "You stole my whole life". I just see Laurel refusing to take responsibility for the fact that her problems are by and large her own doing, by essentially getting Tommy killed and thus feeling guilty, turning to drugs and alcohol to deal with her pain, and rejecting her father's attempts to help her.

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  37. I honestly don't care who the better person is - Moira for example is certainly not the "better person" and I still enjoy every second she is on screen. Oliver can be a downright dick (and yes, he is at least responsible for the mess they are in as Sara and Laurel are).
    Considering that I like the father/daughter moments between Quentin and Sara way better than the ones between Quentin and Laurel, that Sara has a way better chemistry with Oliver (not that this is difficult, a rock would have been better chemistry than Laurel) and that Sara is a character in her own right with a way more interesting backstory - yes, I would like her this much. I liked her from the moment when Dinah described last season how she went on the boat because she was in love and simply felt that she had to follow her heart, following the example of her mother, and I adore her since the moment she stepped on screen in the second season.

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  38. Oliver isn't Laurel's boyfriend now, so it's really none of Laurel's business who he sleeps with even if it's her sister. She's not even supposed to know about it, and she wouldn't if the rules of TV cliches didn't dictate that she find out at the worst possible moment and explode. And I really only think Sara went to Oliver because he's the only person who has been through the same things she has (more or less) and "gets" her, as she does him. The feel I get from the Oliver/Sara scenes is that they don't judge or feel uncomfortable in their own skins around each other. If there was someone else she could've turned to, I'm guessing she would have.


    I know I'm biased, and at this point I probably see the good in Sara and bad in Laurel through sheer force of inertia. But something about how each one deals with her problems just makes me like Sara much more. I just don't see Sara blaming others for what she's feeling or failing to take into account what THEY feel. She deals with stuff in a way that may not be the healthiest, but also shouldn't effect anyone else (sleeping with Oliver). Laurel just doesn't have any restraint or consideration for others. Whenever she's angry, she hits you with both barrels, no matter how unfair it may be or how inopportune the timing is.

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  39. Oliver might not be Laurel's boyfriend now. But they have a history a ugly history and Sara knows they tried to be with each other even after Oliver came back from island. I can understand why Oliver and Sara turned to each other but my problem here is the same I had when Oliver and Laurel jumped into bed last season.


    Last season when the show started I disliked Laurel character but always believed Oliver and Laurel will become an item some time in the future. But I expected them to work together and know each other again once more before starting some thing. But the writers made them have sex immediately after she broke up with Tommy without any understanding between the characters. This made me loose all respect for Laurel.


    Now this season when Sara was introduced I hoped they will be careful with her. They could have resolved her and Laurel's relationship before starting something with Arrow. But they made her jump in bed with Oliver immediately after Laurel, whom Sara loves immensely and want forgiveness from, unfairly accuses her. You are right on paper it shouldn't affect Laurel as she is not in a relationship with Oliver, but it will when she knows about it as none of their issues are resolved in this matter.


    I still think Sara should have gone and taken a cold shower instead of being with Oliver.

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  40. Me neither. I love Moira and adore Slade and Malcolm. I would take Sara over Laurel any day and if they kill off Sara instead of Laurel I will be angry as hell. I am still rooting that Laurel bites the dust this season.


    All that being said I felt sympathy for Laurel and even if her timing was wrong I got her explosion towards Sara even though unfair.

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  41. Do you think they will kill Laurel off? I hope they do but if they kill her now there won't be much of an emotional impact with the audience. Last year when Tommy died everyone was shocked because he was a beloved character. Who cares if Laurel dies? Will that even impact the story anymore? Lances and Oliver will grieve but they just got Sara back.


    Now if Thea or Moira is dead it would change a lot of situation and would affect a lot of characters.

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  42. Very cool. This week's nominated show is Revenge, according to the random number generator, but I'm going to try to get at least one more in.

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  43. That's how I see it too. A natural reaction to the sister who betrayed her. She could not properly feel that anger before since she found out about Sara's "death" at the same time she found out about her betrayal. Laurel has a right to be angry.

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  44. Sara is my favorite character right now, but yes, she knows that sleeping with Oliver again will hurt Laurel. I think it is part of why she is doing it, given their history. Sara is not perfect no matter how much the writers are trying to shift all blame on Laurel.

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  45. I agree that the flashbacks made Laurel more symapthetic to me, not less. It also made Sara a lot less sympathetic to me, so I think we approached the episode in the same way. However, as right as Laurel was for being angry, the writers had to know that the fandom as a whole would react badly to Laurel's outburst at the end. This is what I meant by the writers hating Laurel. It feels like they are trying to either make Laurel evil or kill her off because of it. With all teh Laurel hate in the fandom, she never gets the benefit of the doubtm which she deserved here.

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  46. The action is almost always the very best thing on Arrow for me. James Bamford does a phenomenal job of adding something unique or interesting to his fight scenes so they do not feel boring. It also helps that they keep adding these kick butt characters, who I am instantly intrigued by. Nyssa is definitely my episode MVP for Arrow this week. I hope she becomes a recurring character. Perhaps some flashbacks to her meeting and training Sara are in order.

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  47. I still think she is not referring to Tommy , undertaking or drug problems when she said you stole my life. She was betrayed by a sister who dies, father fell into addiction, mother left her alone with said father and her hope for perfect life (which we all know would not have happened) all because Sara chose to go in that bboat with Oliver. Laurel would have turned completely different had that not happened.

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  48. That is what I got from those scenes. A parallel between flashback Sara and current Sara. Every one hates Laurel and likes Sara so she gets a bit leeway here. Laurel's bitchy and whiny but Sara's actions are nowhere right.

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  49. I have seen some people around the fandom who approached the story like us. Albeit less. Initially I was a bit confused why nobody is seeing or understanding the characters like I was. I truly felt sorry for Laurel but I can understand why people would give up on her character.

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  50. I think Thea is safe. Even though she currently doesn't really have her own storyline (she is at the centre of the actions of a lot of people, but rarely the one who really controls the story), she is an important character.
    Moira - I think it would be a shame to loose her. I see a lot of potential storylines for her in the future.
    Laurel...maybe. Before the hiatus it looked as if the writers were trying their best to salvage the character (even though they tried it from the entirely wrong angle), and they always said that she will be the Black Canary at one point. But since the hiatus, they notable toned down the "star-crossed lovers" idea for Laurel and Oliver and seem to be set to portray Sara and Oliver as the dysfunctional pairing which still finds each other again and again. I wonder if perhaps Slade will gun for Sara but end up killing Laurel. But somehow I have the feeling that they will send Laurel away from Starling City instead. I just hope that they don't get the bright idea to put her character into the Flash Spin-Off.
    In a way, everyone expects a dead this time around, so I somehow doubt that it will happen.

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  51. That was desperation sex. Plus, it's not like Oliver and Laurel are together.

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  52. Alan Martins Rodrigues12 February 2014 at 16:07

    I believe this deep emotional wreckage of the character is entirely purposeful given the way Laurel is perceived by Arrow's viewership and part of the bigger game that is to remake her character as a likeable one. To me, the writers are completely defusing any sympathy left for Laurel and intentionally taking her apart piece by piece so that they can rebuild her from the ground after having everyone despise her, giving her a proper redemption that would eventually have her as a beloved character able to be a kickass second Cannary. And hey, I'm in for the ride, even if I don't share the same despise most viewers have.

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  53. It didn't feel like an isolated incident to me. It felt like they are rekindling a relationship which could not work out last time. Oliver's I need you, I am not going to loose you again made me think they are an item now. We will have to see where they are taking this and if it will affect relationships in the next episode.

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  54. I don't see how holding a degree and having a career suggests that a person isn't in depression. I think Tommy's death was her breaking point but I never saw her emotionally stable even before that. In fact I think the whole reason she was with Tommy was because she was trying to find some sort of stability in life. Again I repeat, I do NOT like how Laurel's character is written but I can understand her state of mind in certain situations. I think she blames Ollie as well but he's been back for a long time now so she's kind of forgiven him. I see no reason why, given time, she won't do the same with Sara but I can't even compare betrayal by boyfriend to betrayal by sister. The latter is obviously a more dense situation, and it also depends on the kind of relationship shared.
    Laurel didn't treat Sara very well in that scene you mentioned, but that doesn't excuse Sara sleeping with her sister's (something she was doing even before that argument). That is just wrong on so many levels.
    I agree with your last paragraph, that Laurel's character is sinking lower every episode without any good reason but other than that, I think we can agree to disagree of what's been shown of her in this episode :)

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  55. Sara's default reaction appears to be that if she feels hurt by Laurel, she retailiates with Oliver. Whether Laurel finds out or not, it feels like there is an inherent satisfaction on Sara's part that she got Laurel back.

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  56. Thank you! Just because Sara and Ollie are better characters to watch doesn't make them any less at fault for what they did to Laurel all those years ago. Just because I don't like Laurel doesn't mean I think she deserves to be betrayed like that and then expected to swallow it. Having said that, I firmly believe that Sara and Ollie genuinely care about her despite this messy kind-of love triangular situation.


    For me, liking watching Sara has nothing to do with disliking watching Laurel. Sara is character I do not mind. Period! I am not a fan of certain things she's done but I can see why she is there and what she's adding to the story. I don't need to like a character to like what she brings to the show. So I don't think my feelings for her depend on whether Laurel is on the show or not.

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  57. How was Sara hurt by Laurel when she went to sleep with Oliver the first time? A, we know she liked Oliver since before Laurel made her move on him (again - that doesn't make it okay of course, but it means she obviously felt something for him that drove her to do this, regardless of wanting to get back at Laurel). B, we saw her texting Oliver in the first flashback in 2x13, in the end of a scene where she and Laurel seemed to be getting along just fine. And C, while the next flashback does show an argument between the sisters (Sara trying to talk Laurel out of her "three year plan" with Oliver, and Laurel being angry that Sara isn't happy for her), I don't see how Laurel said anything so hurtful that it made Sara run off to Oliver. We will have to agree to disagree, because I interpret Sara going to Oliver in the end of the episode as her clearly seeking comfort over what happened with Laurel, not retaliation for it.

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  58. I see the potential in this concept, but it seems exceedingly difficult to execute. It's one thing to have a character hit rock bottom and then slowly rebuild herself, but to do so in a manner that doesn't elicit any sympathy from the audience - quite the contrary - is a very risky move. If this is the writers' plan here, I think their reach is beyond their grasp. If they manage to pull it off I will take my hat off to them.

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  59. Laurel did say "every single thing that's gone wrong in our lives is your fault".

    But I'll play devil's advocate. Even if we take Tommy, Laurel's own substance abuse problem and all of that out of the equation, I just don't see how Laurel's whole life was "stolen" from her, not even as an unintentional consequence of Sara going on the boat with Oliver. Her parents separating hurt like hell, obviously, but that happens to tons of people every day. Quentin may have dealt with his problems through drinking but he wasn't a raging, dysfunctional alcoholic - he was a police detective and a loving father. We had like one scene of Laurel dragging him out of a bar in Season 1, that's all. And while Laurel's mother left, it's not like they became estranged, she just moved to another city. I'm not trying to deny that Laurel went through an extremely hard time after she discovered that Sara had slept with her boyfriend and supposedly died. But to go from that to Laurel's entire life being wrecked? That's completely disproportionate, which is why I feel that Laurel just grouped together all of her problems and sources of pain and collectively blamed them on Sara. And it's not out of character for her, either, because she previously made the Arrow a scapegoat for Tommy's death in the exact same way. So this isn't a result of Laurel's fragile emotional state at that particular moment, but a character trait: she refuses to look in the mirror and see that she largely brought all of the misery in her life upon herself.


    I think what hits me the hardest here is that Laurel is so... cold. She doesn't show even the slightest hint of happiness that her sister is alive. If I try to put myself in her shoes, I just can't imagine myself reacting this way no matter what my sister, brother, parent, etc. did, save for cruelly murdering a bunch of people or something. I'm supposed to believe she loved Sara and missed her over the past 6 years. She told Oliver in the Pilot that she thinks about her every day. How is it possible that when she gets Sara back, she doesn't have any sort of positive reaction? That the only thing she cares about is how Sara betrayed her? I understand that it goes beyond the cheating itself, because Sara going on the boat triggered a chain of events that caused the Lances so much pain. But still, it's just abnormal to me that this outweighs the very fact that your sister is alive and you have her back. Mixed feelings I would absolutely understand, but not pure anger, resentment and contempt. When Laurel doesn't even act like a human being, it's impossible for her character to emotionally resonate with me.


    For what it's worth, I will say that I thought Cassidy was pretty good in this scene. I definitely felt what Laurel was feeling, no matter how unsympathetic I found it.

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  60. If you look at Sara's phone, you will see that Sara was telling Oliver that she wasn't sure about going with him. After Laurel calls her a witch, Sara immediately leaves and tells Oliver that she is going with him. It's that reaction of being hurt by Laurel and immediately going to Oliver that speaks to it being a payback thing for Sara.

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  61. It doesn't excuse it, but it makes it more understandable (especially since you could see on her phone the question if she had doubts...apparently this talk was it which made her go ahead).
    Plus, the scene is important considering my view on Laurel. I have made my peace with what Sara did a long time ago, simply because she has suffered so much and is truly sorry about what she did. I am also ready to give Laurel somewhat the benefit of the doubt concerning her anger towards Sara because she doesn't know what she went through. To be clear about that point: What makes Laurel so unlikable for me in this scene is not that she is still angry with Sara, but that she (again!) shuffles her guilt the responsibility for her own actions to someone else (she can be angry about the betrayal and about the broken marriage of her parent, but she has no business to make Sara responsible for her own fuck ups) and that she is highly inconsiderate towards her mother who searched for years for Sara, had her own guilt to deal with and just survived a kidnapping.
    BUT: If I excuse at least half of Laurel's anger (the half which acts as if Sara was off on a nice vacation) based on the grounds of what she knows and doesn't know, than I have to do the same with the "remote scene". And that means that Laurel had no idea that Sara was planning to betray her at this point. In conclusion she first went after a boy her sister had a crush on and was then bitchy towards her because she dared to suggest that a playboy might not be inclined to settle down, all this while claiming that she would be "so supportive" if the roles were reverse (yeah, right...).

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  62. Nobody says that they are less at fault...the difference is though that Sara and Oliver paid for those mistake hundred times over AND are still ready to atone even more for it. Because they have accepted that what they did was wrong.
    Laurel on the other hand doesn't owe up for her own mistakes. Everyone and their dog is currently trying to help her, but all she ever does is complaining that
    1. She doesn't need help
    2. Nobody ever cares for her
    3. Nobody suffers as badly as her

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  63. From what I understood from Season 1 and Arrow comics last year is that Dinah was estranged from both Laurel and Quentin. Also Quentin was an alcoholic. Even though it was shown only in 1 episode, there was a comic episode where it was shown Laurel had to drag Quentin back home from bar while she was in Law school. Actually its in the same edition they show Laurel and Tommy start a friends with benefits thing. Tommy clearly wants to be with her but Laurel has commitment issues.


    I am not saying every outcome in Laurel's life is due to Sara's betrayal. But if Sara had not gone on that boat Oliver might have cheated on Laurel with someone else may be, it would have hurt less. Laurel could have moved on in her life, maybe even had a healthy relationship. A sister's betrayal and death is more hurtful than that of a boyfriend.


    Laurel was happy about a hallucination about Sara which shows she loves her very much. But when Sara is found alive her sense of betrayal and hurt came forward and she reacted the way she did. We have to remember Laurel is battling extreme depression and addiction right now which is not Sara's fault but it dictates her mental condition.Other than drinking, taking pills she didn't bring anything upon herself. Bad things happened to her. Tommy died because of undertaking, she lost her job because of blood.


    You know what I can't believe I wrote this much justifying Laurel. LOL. What am I doing??? I hated her. Still hate her and don't want her on screen. Lets agree to disagree Alex. I think I am having an out of body experience.

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  64. Alan Martins Rodrigues12 February 2014 at 22:17

    I don't know, Arrow has proved itself to me and I believe they can pull that off. Or maybe I just hope so, because I would like people in general to give Laurel a second chance.

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  65. I feel I am someone who hands out a lot of excuses to especially fictional characters but I fail to understand how ANYTHING can excuse Sara doing her sister's boyfriend, crush or no crush. So no, speaking for myself, it's not understandable and it's not excusable and it shouldn't be condoned. But hey, that's just me. And I don't think we're ever going to reach a conclusive argument on this so this is the last one from me. You're free to not agree with it. Have a nice day :)

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  66. "I am also ready to give Laurel somewhat the benefit of the doubt concerning her anger towards Sara because she doesn't know what she went through. To be clear about that point: What makes Laurel so unlikable for me in this scene is not that she is still angry with Sara, but that she (again!) shuffles her guilt the responsibility for her own actions to someone else (she can be angry about the betrayal and about the broken marriage of her parent, but she has no business to make Sara responsible for her own fuck ups) and that she is highly inconsiderate towards her mother who searched for years for Sara, had her own guilt to deal with and just survived a kidnapping."


    This, exactly. It's not that Sara and Oliver sleeping together is retroactively okay because of what they went through in the subsequent years. What they did was gross, selfish, and indefensible - no one's denying that as far as I can see. So Laurel's wrath is perfectly understandable and even justified, even if it being her FIRST reaction to Sara returning, without showing even a hint of joy that her sister is alive (or consideration for her parents' feelings - they just got their daughter back after 6 years of heartbreak and grief!), is not.


    What most certainly isn't understandable or justified is expanding Sara's wrongdoing from that specific act of going on the boat and sleeping with Laurel's boyfriend - however heinous it was - to being responsible for every single thing that has gone wrong in Laurel's life since (as per Laurel's specific wording). That is where Laurel goes from simply being annoying to reaching unfathomable levels of selfishness. She isn't simply ripping into Sara for something Sara did in fact do and deserves the blame for. She's taking this one thing and using it in order to blame Sara for all of her pain, all of her problems, all of her personal failings in life, all while not paying a second's thought to what Sara herself might have been through during these years, to WHY she didn't call her family to let them know she was alive (Laurel seems to simply assume that Sara could've, but didn't care enough to do it), to the fact that a crazy assassin just targeted all of them BECAUSE SHE WAS AFTER SARA, or to her parents trying to have one moment of pure unadulterated joy upon getting back the daughter they've been grieving for 6 years.


    There are so many ways this scene could've been written to still reflect Laurel's anger and hurt, to still hold Sara responsible for what she did, while not making Laurel nearly as unlikable. For starters, the family could've gone to Quentin's house instead of Laurel's. That way, instead of kicking Sara out and throwing a glass at her, Laurel could've said SHE wasn't ready for this and needed time to deal with her feelings, and then left. In essence, simply removing herself from the family reunion instead of ruining it and robbing Quentin, Dinah and Sara of a moment of genuine happiness and catharsis they so deserved. At this point, I have to agree that the writers are no longer oblivious to their negative portrayal of Laurel - they're making us dislike her on purpose. That's admittedly unfair to the character's fans. If you want to kill her off or villainize her, just do it. Don't take your time feeding the fan hate - that's just a cheap shot.

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  67. Exactly...an I admit, I feel slightly uncomfortable about them tearing down Laurel that way. But that doesn't make the character more likeable for me. Especially since Laurel's action don't even feel OOC for her.

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  68. It could be read as payback. It can also be read as Sara previously believing that she owes Laurel not to follow her heart because she is her sister but after Laurel hurt her this way, all doubts she had vanished. The point is though that Sara didn't just do what she did without even considering Laurel's feelings. She did have doubts, and if the relationship between the sisters would have been better (and relationships are always a two way street), she might have simply shown Laurel Oliver's texts.

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  69. A second chance? I can't count how often I gave her character the benefit of the doubt by now.

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  70. I honestly don't get how this is suppose to work...a character which is taken apart only works if the audience felt at least something for the character beforehand. Currently the only reaction Laurel gets from the majority of the audience is along the line "get her off my screen so that I can see more of the characters I actually do like". For a redemption arc that audience needs to be invested at least a little bit - and if the arc has the goal to replace a beloved character (Sara) with a hated one, it will do nothing but alienate the audience.
    That's the whole crux, isn't it? At the end of the day, there can only be one Black Canary. The only way Laurel can take over this position is by getting rid of Sara first, which is exactly what the audience doesn't want, judging by the commentaries.

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  71. But I do agree with you...it isn't understandable. Neither is understandable what Oliver did back then. But it happened six years ago and the consequences of their actions had far reaching consequences for themselves. They both accepted their own guilt and they are still trying to make up for it. So while the action was not understandable, it is easy to forgive at this point because Sara and Oliver are not the same people they were back then.
    It is totally understandable that Laurel is angry with them about what they did.
    Where the writers (and the character) is loosing me is with the notion that Sara is responsible for everything which is wrong in all of their lives. It is basically the "I have a bad childhood so I am not responsible for being a criminal" excuse, which only works to a certain degree. I can understand Laurel blaming Sara for her destroyed family. But she is not responsible for Laurel being an alcoholic, loosing her job and generally wallowing in self-pity. That is Laurel's doing and I have no patience whatsoever for people who don't take responsibility for their own actions.
    The flashbacks so far didn't really make look Sara's actions that much better, but they make look Laurel so much worse. She comes of as self-absorbed and petty instead of responsible and caring (which was mostly her portrayal during the first season).
    And even that wouldn't be a problem if current Laurel were more likable. But we have on the one hand Oliver and Sara who suffered torture and isolation, survived against all odds and are now trying to make up for the sins of their past and on the other hand Laurel who keeps complaining that nobody cares for her (when in fact everyone and their dog is trying to help her) and that nobody suffered as much as she did (even in real life there are a lot of people who have it worse than Laurel - in the show reality, her problems are somewhere along the lines of having a broken fingernail) while accusing other people of ruining her life.

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  72. Yes, Laurel dealt with this badly but I think we all have our dark sides. Doesn't make it right, but it's not a black and white situation to judge. At least not for me. I understand what you're trying to say and you're not wrong to hold that opinion, I hope I didn't make you feel that way at any time. I just don't fully agree with it, that's all.
    I am not normally a Laurel supporter but I just felt I understood where she was coming from in this scene and that's why I didn't really mind her outburst as much as other people. Cheers!

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  73. If you get a chance you should read the Arrow comics. There are some good editions you will get a different outlook on the Lance family. There is a Slade Wilson, Billy Wintergreen back story which is cool. Huntress after she left Starling and background of China white. Its a good read even if they have changed things about Sara a little bit.


    After all this discussion, my defending Laurel and reading about the Lance family dinner next week I am a little bit angry at writers. They are knocking my two favorite characters Oliver and Sara down to make me sympathize with Laurel.

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