Katie just looks so...odd this season. Anyone else notice that? There's just something about her face. It seems way more...angular than it did in season one.
I usually come across a photo or two in a full set that I consider a questionable choice but this is ridiculous. You're not far off with the payment question either. I'm starting to wonder if they've handed this job off to an intern.
From what I can see Felicity gets into trouble and then Sara comes to the rescue but then things get sparky and the clock king goes down so maybe Felicity does the same thing he did to the lair computers. Fingers crossed becuase I don't see how her needing to be saved will do anything to help the insecurity about her her place in the team.
Yeah, I'd like that if she figured out how to use his own tech against him, it would also explain the photo of Canary kneeling over him, looking back at Felicity (I assume). I hope he's not dead...Robert Knepper is too good of an actor to waste on a 1 off episode.
i do like sarah, but i have to agree with you, when you say that it's a bit to much of her in this episode... even if i had prefered that Felicity would of been able to save herself, i kind of like the idea that sarah is the one who saves her. that may bring them more together and it would be nice to see that they become friends.
in the last picture it looks like sarah and felicity were driving that bike together to go wherever the clock king is, but in the description of the episode it's written that felicity goes alone (at least it's like i understood it) soo...i'm confused. someone can help.? :)
Somebody pointed out that the stairs behind King Clock look the same from the promo, where Oliver is sliding down from, so maybe he gets down there and saves both of them. Eh
hopefully on the way. when he hear what is going on i'm sure he's going to help them. can't imagine that something would be that important that he wouldn't have time to help...except if slade decides to show up
Only if it really is. The press releases can be deceiving and if this is about Felicity being incompetent and Sara having to save her, I'm going to be upset with the show, and will like Sara less. I don't like it when shows cut down a favorite character to prop a newer one.
I believe it's Felicity centric when i see it. The episode was being promoted as Laurel heavy, than Lance family centric and only after the 2x13 backslash it was promoted as Felicity centric. I think is bullshit so her fans won't skip it.
Im apparently the only one here her likes her acting i think she has sold all the big scenes well and there is something so likeable about her that i can't quite peg
I don't see why Laurel would let them host a welcome party to Sara - one she didn't even want to attend - at her own place, but you made an interesting question.
I agree that she has had a lot of screen time, specially if you consider that she wasn't even a regular character last season... But an episode where she is a damsel in distress cannot be called Felicity centric. If they give backstory, character development (not only related to Oliver) then i will think differently. I just think that they are promoting it as such to please the fans.
I like her acting, I like thay she can play several different versions of Sara (Canary, pre island Sata, Island Sara and post LoA Sara) all of which seem real and different
Agreed, for me I've waited most of my life to see an awesome live action black canary and for me she is better than i could have imagined so I'm not going to complain
Lol has to be the most awkward dinner ever. Unless it's a flashback, even if it's still awkward. Lol this will be hilarious. The uncomfortable silence, glares across the table. Thinking of what to say next. Then someone excuses themselves from the table. Haha this is gonna be rich.
Dammit, I was hoping Oliver would save her. But I gotta admit, it'd be pretty cool if Sara goes to save her. They could have some girl talk. Neither of them has had that. I want them to have a friendship.
Canary with Felicity and Clock King. Where is Oliver? Getting shocked by seeing Slade. I hope there is no petty jealousy between Felicity and Canary this episode and they both kick ass together in the end. Clock King was called as Felicity's opposite I am sure she will be the one trumping him with the help of Canary.
I love Canary and Sara. But my OTP for so long in this show is Team Arrow and I am worried about how their dynamic will be from now on. Canary is such a strong character, equal to Arrow she is bound to change some things. I have faith in the writers except when it comes to Laurel. But I hate change.
Well he's sparing with Ollie and Sara so that's something. Lol But maybe he's also helping Roy or working with Ollie to figure out what Clock King's motive is?
I don't see why it's OK for Oliver to save Felicity but not OK for Sara to save her. Felicity is extremely smart and her expertise is invaluable to the group. She's not trained in combat like the others, so having another female save her, shouldn't make her seem incompetent.
I'm never going to understand what possessed Quentin or Sara, whichever it was, to invite Oliver to the Lance family dinner. I mean... what? Were they determined to find a way to make the situation even worse and more awkward? And as much as I dislike Laurel, geez, show a little consideration for her feelings.
Sara/Canary in action is always great. I want Felicity and her to share more scenes so that's cool, too. But Felicity, FFS, if you insist on heading on dangerous missions alone, at least change out of your skirts and high heels...
These photos are often quite random, though, aren't they? Sometimes you just see two people standing next to each other. Do they choose them specifically for the sake of promotion? (I know the very term "promotional photos" suggests so, but they aren't always so enthralling...)
She looks somewhat better in recent photos so I really hope she just lost weight for the sake of the addiction storyline, and that it ends soon (they've really failed to make Laurel sympathetic in it, I feel).
I love Sara but I get what you mean, some characters lose their coolness if they're over-used. While I don't want her to go anywhere any time soon, I hope she is used somewhat sparingly.
I hope it's a joint venture. Women being friends and working together is something this show could use. And Felicity should have learned her lesson after being kidnapped by The Count, she should make an at least semi-competent effort to take down Clock King, instead of totally screwing up and having to be saved.
It seems like Quentin's place, but it's still bad form to serve alcohol when there's an addict at the table. Heck, Quentin himself had a drinking problem as recently as last season... pretty weird.
I like her acting too. She is not the best actress out there but I really liked the scene of Sara breaking down when hearing Quentin's voice at Cruicible and how she portrays the scared pre-vigilante Sara on the island.
I will die if there's conflict between Felicity and Sara over who gets Oliver. Ugh. We finally have the potential to see two awesome women joining forces and taking down a baddie on this show, let's not ruin that in favor of love triangles. I don't care which one of them ends up with Oliver (if either), but even if I did, I want both to be portrayed maturely and not fight over a man first and furthermost. The shipping wars on Arrow ate bad enough as it is (thete are already Olicity fans calling Sara a slut and whatnot after that 2x13 ending)...
I agree. These are my favorite two female characters. I would hate for them to be a part of CW soap opera story line. We have Laurel for that. I can't wait for the blow up at the dinner. On that note if Oliver is going to try for a relationship with Sara they need to change the tone of scenes between Oliver and Felicity for now at least. Give them more fun bonding scenes like season 1 and less intense almost romantic scenes.
And give more Diggle Felicity bonding scenes. If only last episode Felicity went to Diggle with Moira's secret first and they both decide to say it to Oliver, I would have loved it so much more. Also after helping Felicity take down Clock King I want Sara to train Felicity. It would be awesome.
Whichever way you think it doesn't make any sense for Oliver to be there for that dinner. Oliver is not that thoughtless of a person. In fact he cares deeply for Laurel and Sara has proved she loves Laurel. If they bring down Oliver and Sara my favorites to prop Laurel up then I will be angry.
Instead of changing the way they write Laurel, they change every other character's basic make up around her.
I would've also liked it if Felicity had gone to someone neutral like Diggle to get some advice on what to do. It would have shown some conflict on her part once she came to suspect that Malcolm is Thea's father - should she tell Oliver the truth even though it's ultimately none of her business. The way she went directly to Moira is what gave the impression that she butted into a Queen family matter. And I definitely want her to get more scenes with Digg, Sara, even Roy. They've spent too much of Felicity's screen time this season on longing stares and near-kisses with Oliver. I'm not against the idea of Olicity on principal, but the way it's being done really feels like blatant pandering to shippers.
True, but I still hate it. Sigh. If I ever create a show about a female action hero, she will always tie her hair back/up and wear loose, comfortable clothes (no skirts or dresses for sure) and flat shoes before going on missions. So annoying how women on TV have to have this "glamorous" look all the time.
Honestly I find Oliver and Felicity scenes the most believable and romantic. that being said I wish Arrow writers invested in bettering the characters and not romantic relationships. They either make characters jump into bed without any groundwork or they make characters have unnecessary longing stares. Honestly writers of Arrow are very good but don't know how to write good build up for romance.
I agree. She's not the best, but she pulls off the role. She hasn't been acting for that long (about four years, I think) because she originally only intended to be a stuntwoman, so she's bound to get better with experience. Right now I think Caity's expressions and body language are fine (I loved the scene you mentioned of her hearing Quentin talk to Oliver at Verdant - the emotion was very evident), she just needs to improve her line readings - modulate her tone more. That being said, chipper pre-island Sara in the flashbacks definitely sounded different than present day Sara, and even Sara after a year on Ivo's boat but before the LoA is distinctive from these two. So even if Caity is somewhat wooden while playing Sara in the present, it could be somewhat intentional - her experiences have jaded her to the point where she doesn't show emotion easily.
I don't know if I'd call myself a shipper. But I really love Olicity and totaly agree with you two. I've just rewatched severel scenes between those two and S1 relationship build up was much more light hearted and although I enjoy every scene in S2 that longing staring is enough. What I miss though is some Diggle Felicity relationship built up.
There always seems to be a certain amount of filler in a promotional photo set and I've accepted that but no one can tell me that there wasn't a better choice for inclusion in this set than that inane photo.
For it me it looks like Felicity is searching fo Sara (pic with bike) and the pic with Sara and Felicity the Clock King seems to point a weapon at them. Maybe there is still a slight chance Felicity saves the day ;-)
This. It's not the concept of Olicity that bothers me, it's the execution. They seem to be trying hard to give Olicity fans a bone to chew on until the relationship actually happens (if it does), instead of gradually allowing them to grow closer until an actual romance is believable. I hated it when Oliver was all douchey towards Felicity because she was supposedly distracted from the mission by thinking of Barry in 2x10. That immature pettiness was completely out of character for Oliver. Even if he was becoming cognizant of having more-than-friendly feelings for Felicity, the normal Oliver wouldn't have acted this way, which means it was only done as fan service. There are much more subtle, believable ways to show feelings growing between the two of them.
Yeah, if they're thinking "everything we've done so far to make Laurel sympathetic has failed, so let's have other characters treat her like asses to achieve that", that is really annoying. It's seriously not that hard to write a character in a more likable manner than what they've been doing with Laurel, even a character who's dealing with depression and substance abuse. Fans keep citing everything she's been through as a defense for her behavior, but the thing is, TONS of people go through similar things or even worse and aren't quite as obnoxious as she is towards others. It's hard to sympathize with someone who is always biting other people's heads off and being cold, snarky and abrasive towards them no matter how much crap she's endured. If she just starts being nice and expressing concern for others' well-being sometimes, it will already do wonders for her character.
How about watching the episode first? Perhaps there is a reason he is present...maybe Sara simply said that he is there as a friend and that they have explain something about what happened when the boat went down.
I've been bouncing back and forth between two theories: 1. Ollie is ambushed. The dinner is sprung on him and he doesn't know what's going down until he gets there. 2. Sara is freaked out about the dinner after her last encounter with Laurel and asks (or more likely pleads with) Oliver to be there as support/buffer.
I mostly hate that they now let Felicity act all star struck...at least she had her relationship with Barry. I don't mind Olicity, but I wouldn't mind Oliver/Sara either....as long as Felicity stays the great character she is. But this season they mostly stuck her in the role of the love interest. Everyone is complaining about Diggle not getting enough screentime, but what we really need is a little bit more exploration of Felicity's background. I how she and Sara become friends fast.
1 would explain Oliver going there, but not why he was invited by whichever Lance.
2, well... I could understand Sara wanting someone to be there for her, but Oliver is so wrapped up in the very problems that exist between the sisters, I just can't see how his presence will help anything. It's much more likely to throw gas on the fire.
Eventually, it's not a bad idea for Laurel, Sara and Oliver to sit down, talk about all the crap that happened and finally make peace with it/each other and move on. But right now, Sara coming back from the dead is still way too fresh for Laurel, who needs time to process all the craziness. She's in such a fragile emotional state that this could push her over the edge, and I say that as someone who can't stand the character.
I would like background for Felicity. But more than that I want them to show Felicity interacting with more people not as comic relief but for character building. I want her to have some emotional connection with members of the cast other than Oliver. Only then she would be a well rounded character.
I don't like to speculate much before the episode airs. Most of the things I think will not happen at all LOL. But its the hiatus. I miss Arrow.
Even if they have to explain something to Laurel them facing Laurel as team is a bad idea. Sara needs to speak to Laurel without Oliver first. Or Oliver needs to speak with Laurel without Sara first before facing her together.
What's the point of semantics? Whether you use the word "invite" or not, Sara asks Oliver to come with her, which in my opinion is a colossally bad idea. Alternately, Quentin is the one who sets it up by inviting the two of them over for dinner without revealing that Laurel will be there. The point is, they don't all just end up in the same place by random. Someone engineered Oliver's presence at this dinner. I'll wait to see exactly how and why this happens, but I can't see a way on earth that having Oliver there isn't an insane idea from Sara or Quentin's PoV.
If Sara takes Oliver along because she knows the dinner is going to go badly and don't want to face it alone that is more bad. That makes Oliver and Sara inconsiderate which they are not. The whole scene doesn't make any sense.
There is every chance it's not a matter of semantics. I've learned to read synopses and episodic press releases very carefully over the years because, now that they're available to the public on the internet, TV shows have begun to choose their words very carefully when summarizing upcoming episodes.
That's how I feel about it, too. God knows I'm not a Laurel fan, quite the contrary. But right now Laurel, who was a wreck even before, is still reeling from the discovery that Sara is alive, the old wounds it reopened and all the different emotions. It's way too early to bring Oliver, who is so tied up in all of this painful history, into the picture. Once Laurel's had time to process everything and things between Sara and her have gotten better, it might be a good idea for the sisters to sit down with Oliver and finally clear the air about everything that happened six years ago. But not so soon, when Laurel is still in throwing-glasses-at-her-sister mode.
Of course this is all speculation, and I can only pass judgment after I see the episode. But it's hard to imagine any way that bringing Oliver to that dinner isn't insanity.
Isn't this the episode creators said their most brothers and sisters episode. So we can see some soapy elements for sure. I hope when this act II of season 2 ends by episode 18 we have put this whole sisters with Oliver plot to rest and all can move on without this springing up every now and then.
Okay, I'll split hairs, then. The use of the word "invite" matters in terms of what Oliver is doing, because if he goes there with Sara without knowing Laurel is present, it's not like he's been invited to a family dinner and chose to come. Had he known in advance, he could've declined the invitation, knowing it's a bad idea for him to be there. However, when it comes to what Sara or Quentin are doing, I don't understand how using the word "invite" or not makes a difference. What matters is, they arrange a dinner that involves Laurel, Sara and Oliver sitting at the same table, which right now seems to be a recipe for disaster. So call it inviting Oliver, showing up with Oliver, taking/bringing Oliver - in the end, it's the same thing.
At this point, they could set Laurel on fire and let her burn for all eternity, I wouldn't care. At least then she would be right about nobody having it worse than her.
Yeah, that's why I want a Felicity and Sara (and Felicity and Roy and Felicity and Thea) friendship. Felicity needs someone to talk to so that the audience has a better idea what is currently going on in her head.
I agree with this post as a big Caity fan but i would have to say my favourite 2 scenes with her was the one with her and Oliver in the hospital near the end of Crucible and the scene where she is talking to Ivo on the island on the walkie talkies
I totally agree with you. I still do enjoy those scenes, but I also have the feeling that they are rushing too fast to romance. I loved how he apologized but to make that scene possible they had to make him snap at her etc. This is to early in their build up for my taste. Felicity reacting overly jealouse regarding Isabell was also a bit too much.Yes she would have said something but I don't think she would have been that obvious about how personal feelings toward Oliver at this point.
Caity has been a dancer most of her life apparently she has worked with Brittany Spears,Avril Lavigne and Lady Gaga so she is obviously very good in that field but this is the 3rd time i have seen her in a show or movie and to me at least she comes across as very likeable i loved her character in Death Valley especially
Yeah, but Oliver's mask isn't for the sake of fashion. It's a token nod to his needing to conceal his identity, even if we know it would never work in real life. When it comes to female fighters and their unrealistic looks, I think it ticks me off because it's a lot like the real-life pressure on women regarding their appearance. While both genders suffer from this, women are especially scrutinized when it comes to their weight, hairstyle, clothes and whatnot. So I feel the same about how they make women on TV wear short skirts and heels in a situation where it's clearly going to be a hindrance: it plays into the "fashion over function" mentality.
I have more problem with Black Canary's outfit than that of Felicity's. Felicity is not made for field job and she is dressed as she dresses everyday and because she is Felicity who likes short skirts.
Lets be honest Black Canary's outfit and Oliver's outfit are also not that conducive for fighting. How much ever Stephen Amell says his costume is comfortable leather is not for fighting. I am sure it takes too much time to remove that pants. And some one in another forum posted a Britney Spears photo in a concert which looks just like BC outfit. I am just happy that they didn't go with the BC comic look fishnets and all. Even Batman's outfit is too heavy. In the end we like it becuse actors look cool and hero like in such outfits.
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Sarah is looking really good in these pictures. Convenient to have her save Felicity to bring the team together.
ReplyDeleteA photo of a character watching TV on the couch? Really? Great choice, CW promo department.
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping there is mutual saving going on which bonds them.
ReplyDeleteAnd they actually get paid for this?
ReplyDeleteKatie just looks so...odd this season. Anyone else notice that? There's just something about her face. It seems way more...angular than it did in season one.
ReplyDeleteI hope so, I really don't want a repeat of State vs Queen
ReplyDeleteOh man, please tell me Felicity and Canary were riding that bike together...that would be so funny.
ReplyDeleteI usually come across a photo or two in a full set that I consider a questionable choice but this is ridiculous. You're not far off with the payment question either. I'm starting to wonder if they've handed this job off to an intern.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I can see Felicity gets into trouble and then Sara comes to the rescue but then things get sparky and the clock king goes down so maybe Felicity does the same thing he did to the lair computers. Fingers crossed becuase I don't see how her needing to be saved will do anything to help the insecurity about her her place in the team.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'd like that if she figured out how to use his own tech against him, it would also explain the photo of Canary kneeling over him, looking back at Felicity (I assume). I hope he's not dead...Robert Knepper is too good of an actor to waste on a 1 off episode.
ReplyDelete"Robert Knepper is too good of an actor to waste on a 1 off episode."
ReplyDeleteTell that to The Blacklist people. 'The Courier' was epic.
i do like sarah, but i have to agree with you, when you say that it's a bit to much of her in this episode...
ReplyDeleteeven if i had prefered that Felicity would of been able to save herself, i kind of like the idea that sarah is the one who saves her. that may bring them more together and it would be nice to see that they become friends.
Yeah I'm hoping Felicity and Sara become good friends the show needs a bit of that
ReplyDeleteThe Sara centric episodes have all been winners so far so why not
ReplyDeletein the last picture it looks like sarah and felicity were driving that bike together to go wherever the clock king is, but in the description of the episode it's written that felicity goes alone (at least it's like i understood it) soo...i'm confused.
ReplyDeletesomeone can help.? :)
Im pretty sure this is suppose to be a Felicity centric ep so that should make you happy lol
ReplyDeleteSara obviously meets her their on the bike ,my question is where is Oliver?
ReplyDeleteSomebody pointed out that the stairs behind King Clock look the same from the promo, where Oliver is sliding down from, so maybe he gets down there and saves both of them. Eh
ReplyDeletehopefully on the way.
ReplyDeletewhen he hear what is going on i'm sure he's going to help them. can't imagine that something would be that important that he wouldn't have time to help...except if slade decides to show up
not a fan of her acting...but Caity's simply HOT
ReplyDeleteOnly if it really is. The press releases can be deceiving and if this is about Felicity being incompetent and Sara having to save her, I'm going to be upset with the show, and will like Sara less. I don't like it when shows cut down a favorite character to prop a newer one.
ReplyDeleteMy issue is with the choice of photo, not the character in it.
ReplyDeleteI believe it's Felicity centric when i see it. The episode was being promoted as Laurel heavy, than Lance family centric and only after the 2x13 backslash it was promoted as Felicity centric. I think is bullshit so her fans won't skip it.
ReplyDeleteOne of the producers called it a Felicity centric ep so i will take their word for it
ReplyDeleteFelicity is incompetent in the field Sara isn't why on earth would that upset you
ReplyDeleteFelicity has had way to much screen time this year as it is poor old Diggle is fading into the background
ReplyDeleteI prefer Felicity in small doses funny how we all have different opinions lol
ReplyDeleteIm apparently the only one here her likes her acting i think she has sold all the big scenes well and there is something so likeable about her that i can't quite peg
ReplyDeleteDepends is it at Laurels place or the parents?
ReplyDeleteI don't see why Laurel would let them host a welcome party to Sara - one she didn't even want to attend - at her own place, but you made an interesting question.
ReplyDeleteI agree that she has had a lot of screen time, specially if you consider that she wasn't even a regular character last season... But an episode where she is a damsel in distress cannot be called Felicity centric. If they give backstory, character development (not only related to Oliver) then i will think differently. I just think that they are promoting it as such to please the fans.
ReplyDeleteI like her acting, I like thay she can play several different versions of Sara (Canary, pre island Sata, Island Sara and post LoA Sara) all of which seem real and different
ReplyDeleteUmm backlash what?Felicity is a minor character but i suppose you have to get 14 yo girls watching too
ReplyDeleteOh ok didn't know my bad lol
ReplyDeleteAgreed, for me I've waited most of my life to see an awesome live action black canary and for me she is better than i could have imagined so I'm not going to complain
ReplyDeleteNo,no and no
ReplyDeleteLol has to be the most awkward dinner ever. Unless it's a flashback, even if it's still awkward. Lol this will be hilarious. The uncomfortable silence, glares across the table. Thinking of what to say next. Then someone excuses themselves from the table. Haha this is gonna be rich.
ReplyDeleteDammit, I was hoping Oliver would save her. But I gotta admit, it'd be pretty cool if Sara goes to save her. They could have some girl talk. Neither of them has had that. I want them to have a friendship.
ReplyDeleteDiggle's arc will be coming up soon. No worries.
ReplyDeleteYeah i know its just in the meantime what does he do now?
ReplyDeleteAgreed
ReplyDeleteCmon girls i thought you would love the whole girl power thing am i wrong lol
ReplyDeleteDepends on whats on tv lol
ReplyDeleteI can't make sense of your post, what does it matter if she's a damsel it can still be Felicity centric
ReplyDeleteIsn't Knepper coming back in the Suicide squad episode?
ReplyDeleteNot that I know of.
ReplyDeleteCanary with Felicity and Clock King. Where is Oliver? Getting shocked by seeing Slade. I hope there is no petty jealousy between Felicity and Canary this episode and they both kick ass together in the end. Clock King was called as Felicity's opposite I am sure she will be the one trumping him with the help of Canary.
ReplyDeleteI love Canary and Sara. But my OTP for so long in this show is Team Arrow and I am worried about how their dynamic will be from now on. Canary is such a strong character, equal to Arrow she is bound to change some things. I have faith in the writers except when it comes to Laurel. But I hate change.
Well he's sparing with Ollie and Sara so that's something. Lol But maybe he's also helping Roy or working with Ollie to figure out what Clock King's motive is?
ReplyDeleteI don't see why it's OK for Oliver to save Felicity but not OK for Sara to save her. Felicity is extremely smart and her expertise is invaluable to the group. She's not trained in combat like the others, so having another female save her, shouldn't make her seem incompetent.
ReplyDeleteI'm never going to understand what possessed Quentin or Sara, whichever it was, to invite Oliver to the Lance family dinner. I mean... what? Were they determined to find a way to make the situation even worse and more awkward? And as much as I dislike Laurel, geez, show a little consideration for her feelings.
ReplyDeleteSara/Canary in action is always great. I want Felicity and her to share more scenes so that's cool, too. But Felicity, FFS, if you insist on heading on dangerous missions alone, at least change out of your skirts and high heels...
These photos are often quite random, though, aren't they? Sometimes you just see two people standing next to each other. Do they choose them specifically for the sake of promotion? (I know the very term "promotional photos" suggests so, but they aren't always so enthralling...)
ReplyDeleteShe looks somewhat better in recent photos so I really hope she just lost weight for the sake of the addiction storyline, and that it ends soon (they've really failed to make Laurel sympathetic in it, I feel).
ReplyDeleteI love Sara but I get what you mean, some characters lose their coolness if they're over-used. While I don't want her to go anywhere any time soon, I hope she is used somewhat sparingly.
ReplyDeleteI hope it's a joint venture. Women being friends and working together is something this show could use. And Felicity should have learned her lesson after being kidnapped by The Count, she should make an at least semi-competent effort to take down Clock King, instead of totally screwing up and having to be saved.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like Quentin's place, but it's still bad form to serve alcohol when there's an addict at the table. Heck, Quentin himself had a drinking problem as recently as last season... pretty weird.
ReplyDeleteI like her acting too. She is not the best actress out there but I really liked the scene of Sara breaking down when hearing Quentin's voice at Cruicible and how she portrays the scared pre-vigilante Sara on the island.
ReplyDeleteI will die if there's conflict between Felicity and Sara over who gets Oliver. Ugh. We finally have the potential to see two awesome women joining forces and taking down a baddie on this show, let's not ruin that in favor of love triangles. I don't care which one of them ends up with Oliver (if either), but even if I did, I want both to be portrayed maturely and not fight over a man first and furthermost. The shipping wars on Arrow ate bad enough as it is (thete are already Olicity fans calling Sara a slut and whatnot after that 2x13 ending)...
ReplyDeleteOoh I think it's in the episode description that Laurel doesn't want to attend.
ReplyDeleteI agree. These are my favorite two female characters. I would hate for them to be a part of CW soap opera story line. We have Laurel for that. I can't wait for the blow up at the dinner. On that note if Oliver is going to try for a relationship with Sara they need to change the tone of scenes between Oliver and Felicity for now at least. Give them more fun bonding scenes like season 1 and less intense almost romantic scenes.
ReplyDeleteAnd give more Diggle Felicity bonding scenes. If only last episode Felicity went to Diggle with Moira's secret first and they both decide to say it to Oliver, I would have loved it so much more. Also after helping Felicity take down Clock King I want Sara to train Felicity. It would be awesome.
Whichever way you think it doesn't make any sense for Oliver to be there for that dinner. Oliver is not that thoughtless of a person. In fact he cares deeply for Laurel and Sara has proved she loves Laurel. If they bring down Oliver and Sara my favorites to prop Laurel up then I will be angry.
ReplyDeleteInstead of changing the way they write Laurel, they change every other character's basic make up around her.
Also woman in TV will hike mountains in high heels and short skirts. You should see Beckett run heels.
ReplyDeleteI would've also liked it if Felicity had gone to someone neutral like Diggle to get some advice on what to do. It would have shown some conflict on her part once she came to suspect that Malcolm is Thea's father - should she tell Oliver the truth even though it's ultimately none of her business. The way she went directly to Moira is what gave the impression that she butted into a Queen family matter. And I definitely want her to get more scenes with Digg, Sara, even Roy. They've spent too much of Felicity's screen time this season on longing stares and near-kisses with Oliver. I'm not against the idea of Olicity on principal, but the way it's being done really feels like blatant pandering to shippers.
ReplyDeleteTrue, but I still hate it. Sigh. If I ever create a show about a female action hero, she will always tie her hair back/up and wear loose, comfortable clothes (no skirts or dresses for sure) and flat shoes before going on missions. So annoying how women on TV have to have this "glamorous" look all the time.
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ReplyDeleteHonestly I find Oliver and Felicity scenes the most believable and romantic. that being said I wish Arrow writers invested in bettering the characters and not romantic relationships. They either make characters jump into bed without any groundwork or they make characters have unnecessary longing stares. Honestly writers of Arrow are very good but don't know how to write good build up for romance.
ReplyDeleteI agree. She's not the best, but she pulls off the role. She hasn't been acting for that long (about four years, I think) because she originally only intended to be a stuntwoman, so she's bound to get better with experience. Right now I think Caity's expressions and body language are fine (I loved the scene you mentioned of her hearing Quentin talk to Oliver at Verdant - the emotion was very evident), she just needs to improve her line readings - modulate her tone more. That being said, chipper pre-island Sara in the flashbacks definitely sounded different than present day Sara, and even Sara after a year on Ivo's boat but before the LoA is distinctive from these two. So even if Caity is somewhat wooden while playing Sara in the present, it could be somewhat intentional - her experiences have jaded her to the point where she doesn't show emotion easily.
ReplyDeleteI do not like her acting in the island scenes. She looks very shifty in those not scared. But current Sara and pre island Sara I like.
ReplyDeleteYea I want Felicity to have a wardrobe change when she goes out in the field.
ReplyDeleteor they are wearing uniforms. at least the women o Strike Back got a little bit more practical colthing. And Nikita sometimes tried.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I'd call myself a shipper. But I really love Olicity and totaly agree with you two. I've just rewatched severel scenes between those two and S1 relationship build up was much more light hearted and although I enjoy every scene in S2 that longing staring is enough. What I miss though is some Diggle Felicity relationship built up.
ReplyDeleteThere always seems to be a certain amount of filler in a promotional photo set and I've accepted that but no one can tell me that there wasn't a better choice for inclusion in this set than that inane photo.
ReplyDeleteFor it me it looks like Felicity is searching fo Sara (pic with bike) and the pic with Sara and Felicity the Clock King seems to point a weapon at them. Maybe there is still a slight chance Felicity saves the day ;-)
ReplyDeleteThis. It's not the concept of Olicity that bothers me, it's the execution. They seem to be trying hard to give Olicity fans a bone to chew on until the relationship actually happens (if it does), instead of gradually allowing them to grow closer until an actual romance is believable. I hated it when Oliver was all douchey towards Felicity because she was supposedly distracted from the mission by thinking of Barry in 2x10. That immature pettiness was completely out of character for Oliver. Even if he was becoming cognizant of having more-than-friendly feelings for Felicity, the normal Oliver wouldn't have acted this way, which means it was only done as fan service. There are much more subtle, believable ways to show feelings growing between the two of them.
ReplyDeleteYeah, if they're thinking "everything we've done so far to make Laurel sympathetic has failed, so let's have other characters treat her like asses to achieve that", that is really annoying. It's seriously not that hard to write a character in a more likable manner than what they've been doing with Laurel, even a character who's dealing with depression and substance abuse. Fans keep citing everything she's been through as a defense for her behavior, but the thing is, TONS of people go through similar things or even worse and aren't quite as obnoxious as she is towards others. It's hard to sympathize with someone who is always biting other people's heads off and being cold, snarky and abrasive towards them no matter how much crap she's endured. If she just starts being nice and expressing concern for others' well-being sometimes, it will already do wonders for her character.
ReplyDeleteHow about watching the episode first? Perhaps there is a reason he is present...maybe Sara simply said that he is there as a friend and that they have explain something about what happened when the boat went down.
ReplyDeleteI've been bouncing back and forth between two theories:
ReplyDelete1. Ollie is ambushed. The dinner is sprung on him and he doesn't know what's going down until he gets there.
2. Sara is freaked out about the dinner after her last encounter with Laurel and asks (or more likely pleads with) Oliver to be there as support/buffer.
I mostly hate that they now let Felicity act all star struck...at least she had her relationship with Barry.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind Olicity, but I wouldn't mind Oliver/Sara either....as long as Felicity stays the great character she is. But this season they mostly stuck her in the role of the love interest. Everyone is complaining about Diggle not getting enough screentime, but what we really need is a little bit more exploration of Felicity's background. I how she and Sara become friends fast.
1 would explain Oliver going there, but not why he was invited by whichever Lance.
ReplyDelete2, well... I could understand Sara wanting someone to be there for her, but Oliver is so wrapped up in the very problems that exist between the sisters, I just can't see how his presence will help anything. It's much more likely to throw gas on the fire.
Eventually, it's not a bad idea for Laurel, Sara and Oliver to sit down, talk about all the crap that happened and finally make peace with it/each other and move on. But right now, Sara coming back from the dead is still way too fresh for Laurel, who needs time to process all the craziness. She's in such a fragile emotional state that this could push her over the edge, and I say that as someone who can't stand the character.
No one has mentioned the word 'invite.' The synopsis only says that Oliver "shows up with" Sara.
ReplyDeleteI would like background for Felicity. But more than that I want them to show Felicity interacting with more people not as comic relief but for character building. I want her to have some emotional connection with members of the cast other than Oliver. Only then she would be a well rounded character.
ReplyDeleteI don't like to speculate much before the episode airs. Most of the things I think will not happen at all LOL. But its the hiatus. I miss Arrow.
ReplyDeleteEven if they have to explain something to Laurel them facing Laurel as team is a bad idea. Sara needs to speak to Laurel without Oliver first. Or Oliver needs to speak with Laurel without Sara first before facing her together.
What's the point of semantics? Whether you use the word "invite" or not, Sara asks Oliver to come with her, which in my opinion is a colossally bad idea. Alternately, Quentin is the one who sets it up by inviting the two of them over for dinner without revealing that Laurel will be there. The point is, they don't all just end up in the same place by random. Someone engineered Oliver's presence at this dinner. I'll wait to see exactly how and why this happens, but I can't see a way on earth that having Oliver there isn't an insane idea from Sara or Quentin's PoV.
ReplyDeleteIf Sara takes Oliver along because she knows the dinner is going to go badly and don't want to face it alone that is more bad. That makes Oliver and Sara inconsiderate which they are not. The whole scene doesn't make any sense.
ReplyDeleteThere is every chance it's not a matter of semantics. I've learned to read synopses and episodic press releases very carefully over the years because, now that they're available to the public on the internet, TV shows have begun to choose their words very carefully when summarizing upcoming episodes.
ReplyDeleteI take woman's wardrobe and heels during missions with the same levity as I take Oliver's mask. Can't happen in real life but let's go with it.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of masks how many of you like Oliver's mask? I like BC and huntress's mask better than Oliver's. Especially BC.
That's how I feel about it, too. God knows I'm not a Laurel fan, quite the contrary. But right now Laurel, who was a wreck even before, is still reeling from the discovery that Sara is alive, the old wounds it reopened and all the different emotions. It's way too early to bring Oliver, who is so tied up in all of this painful history, into the picture. Once Laurel's had time to process everything and things between Sara and her have gotten better, it might be a good idea for the sisters to sit down with Oliver and finally clear the air about everything that happened six years ago. But not so soon, when Laurel is still in throwing-glasses-at-her-sister mode.
ReplyDeleteOf course this is all speculation, and I can only pass judgment after I see the episode. But it's hard to imagine any way that bringing Oliver to that dinner isn't insanity.
Oliver has been inconsiderate to multiple characters on this show and has had occasion to apologize for it as well.
ReplyDeleteIsn't this the episode creators said their most brothers and sisters episode. So we can see some soapy elements for sure. I hope when this act II of season 2 ends by episode 18 we have put this whole sisters with Oliver plot to rest and all can move on without this springing up every now and then.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll split hairs, then. The use of the word "invite" matters in terms of what Oliver is doing, because if he goes there with Sara without knowing Laurel is present, it's not like he's been invited to a family dinner and chose to come. Had he known in advance, he could've declined the invitation, knowing it's a bad idea for him to be there. However, when it comes to what Sara or Quentin are doing, I don't understand how using the word "invite" or not makes a difference. What matters is, they arrange a dinner that involves Laurel, Sara and Oliver sitting at the same table, which right now seems to be a recipe for disaster. So call it inviting Oliver, showing up with Oliver, taking/bringing Oliver - in the end, it's the same thing.
ReplyDeleteOh, I love this smiley.
ReplyDeleteAt this point, they could set Laurel on fire and let her burn for all eternity, I wouldn't care. At least then she would be right about nobody having it worse than her.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's why I want a Felicity and Sara (and Felicity and Roy and Felicity and Thea) friendship. Felicity needs someone to talk to so that the audience has a better idea what is currently going on in her head.
ReplyDeleteAgreed good post
ReplyDeleteAgreed and its not like Sara couldn't handle it anyway she has been through much worse
ReplyDeleteSara doesn't seem like the jealous type one of the many reasons why she is my favourite character
ReplyDeleteYeah i know weird since we only know she slept with 1 guy
ReplyDeleteAgreed i want an episode where Sara and Felicity work together on 1 mission and Digg and Oliver work on another i would so love that
ReplyDeleteApplauds ,whilst like many i love Felicity i want her to stand on her own more instead of being defined by Oliver
ReplyDeleteYes,yes and yes lol
ReplyDeleteI agree with this post as a big Caity fan but i would have to say my favourite 2 scenes with her was the one with her and Oliver in the hospital near the end of Crucible and the scene where she is talking to Ivo on the island on the walkie talkies
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you. I still do enjoy those scenes, but I also have the feeling that they are rushing too fast to romance. I loved how he apologized but to make that scene possible they had to make him snap at her etc. This is to early in their build up for my taste. Felicity reacting overly jealouse regarding Isabell was also a bit too much.Yes she would have said something but I don't think she would have been that obvious about how personal feelings toward Oliver at this point.
ReplyDeleteSomething else I noticed: in the close-up pic of Sara, doesn't she kinda look like Batgirl?
ReplyDeleteThe hospital scene was lovely. Great moment when Oliver takes her hand and they leave. There's such a natural and easy connection between them.
ReplyDeleteOh they liked the idea before Sara "stole" Oliver from Felicity. Now many of them olicity fanatics are hating on Sara and the actress.
ReplyDeleteThats what i like about them in a nutshell nothing is forced no longing into each others eyes etc. they just have it
ReplyDeleteCaity has been a dancer most of her life apparently she has worked with Brittany Spears,Avril Lavigne and Lady Gaga so she is obviously very good in that field but this is the 3rd time i have seen her in a show or movie and to me at least she comes across as very likeable i loved her character in Death Valley especially
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ReplyDeleteYeah, but Oliver's mask isn't for the sake of fashion. It's a token nod to his needing to conceal his identity, even if we know it would never work in real life. When it comes to female fighters and their unrealistic looks, I think it ticks me off because it's a lot like the real-life pressure on women regarding their appearance. While both genders suffer from this, women are especially scrutinized when it comes to their weight, hairstyle, clothes and whatnot. So I feel the same about how they make women on TV wear short skirts and heels in a situation where it's clearly going to be a hindrance: it plays into the "fashion over function" mentality.
ReplyDeleteI have more problem with Black Canary's outfit than that of Felicity's. Felicity is not made for field job and she is dressed as she dresses everyday and because she is Felicity who likes short skirts.
ReplyDeleteLets be honest Black Canary's outfit and Oliver's outfit are also not that conducive for fighting. How much ever Stephen Amell says his costume is comfortable leather is not for fighting. I am sure it takes too much time to remove that pants. And some one in another forum posted a Britney Spears photo in a concert which looks just like BC outfit. I am just happy that they didn't go with the BC comic look fishnets and all. Even Batman's outfit is too heavy. In the end we like it becuse actors look cool and hero like in such outfits.
Aren't ship wars so petty its embarrassing and a stain on such a great show
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