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Supernatural - Episode 9.11 - First Born - Review

Jan 23, 2014

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To recite and twist a quote from Mae West, when it’s good it’s really good, and when it’s bad … well it’s just bad. That’s not what she said, but the point remains. This week Supernatural excelled in some areas – the action, the snark, the filming, and some areas of the plot. But in other areas … uhm… no.

Let’s start with the good. Basically most of the story around Dean was good. It had everything – action, top-notch filming, good acting. The fight scene of Dean vs. a handful of demons was intense, and the detail of Cain (Tim Omundson) sitting detached at the table watching it, delivered it home. The back-and-forth between Dean and Crowley was enjoyable. Dean was in his element – on a barstool, on a hunt, and on a self-destructive crusade.

Now for the part that didn’t work so well - something that’s been bugging me since Sacrifice last May - and that is Sam’s characterization. Existing as a self-sacrificing hero with zero self-esteem is the Winchester way, right? No, it’s the Dean Winchester way. Sam used to be written differently. What I’m about to say isn’t to imply that Sam doesn’t have a strong moral code, compassion for others, and sense of personal responsibility. He does. But what he was never shown to have until last season was an exaggeratedly low sense of self-esteem and to be governed by feelings that he was always disappointing others.

Sam always saw himself as a freak – different from his family – and potentially a monster. That much has been shown. But that’s not the same as feeling like a constant disappointment or being suicidal. As fans, we got a very clear picture of how Dean ended up with his extremely low self-esteem. John Winchester, although caring in his own way, was brutal in his criticism of Dean and the demands he put on him. Sam, we were led to believe, escaped most of that growing up because he was the younger child and because he had Dean to help him out.

Whereas Dean could never see a better future for himself because he believed his role was nothing more than a soldier, and Dean never believed he deserved to be saved, a lot of Sam’s early arc had been coming to terms with the fact that he was never meant to be saved. Sam believed in a better future – in college, in a family, in angels and Heaven. And even up until Trial and Error of last season, Sam saw a light at the end of this. When did it all change?

Was it the disappointment in not completing the trials? That could have been a possibility, but Sam did make a choice in the end, and I don’t recall Sam expressing any deep regret about that choice in the early episodes this season. Was it the murder of Sarah Blake? Again, something that was never revisited after the episode in which she was killed. We’re being told this is a characteristic Sam has always had, but it’s not consistent with what we’ve seen. In Sacrifice, we were told that Sam has always felt like he’s disappointing Dean – but that’s transposing the Dean/John relationship and dynamic onto the Sam/Dean relationship. It just doesn’t fit. Dean didn’t ride Sam growing up the way John rided him. Dean has been very critical of Sam post-Ruby, but these wounds seem to go deeper than that.  Could it be the demon blood? Feeling damaged certainly influences one’s self-esteem, but Sam has never reacted to the blood like this before, and the blood has been with Sam since he was a child.

As a replacement showrunner, is Jeremy Carver obligated to follow continuity of characterizations of those who came before him? I would say yes, but for the sake of argument, let’s say no – that Carver needs to remake the show and the characters to fit his own vision. But we don’t need to look back at the events to from early showrunners to see huge inconsistencies in the writing of Sam. Last season, in Goodbye Stranger (same showrunners, same episode writer – Robbie Thompson), Sam is seen to have a very personal chat with Meg and confide details about his relationship with Amelia. This is in the face of history between the two of them in which Meg possessed Sam and brutally murdered a hunter, assaulted Jo, and tried to bait Dean into killing him while wearing his body. All of this was very personal to Sam and hit on his deepest fears. This is in contrast to the murder of Kevin, which while sad, was not personal, and there’s no way Sam could have felt in control of that action. In this last episode, Sam was so determined to settle the debt of Kevin's murder that he wanted to sacrifice his own life to get justice.

The problem with this view is that Sam’s smarter than this. He’s known about possession for quite a while now. In fact he’s been possessed several times. He knows the victim has no control over the situation and is not at fault. So which is the real Sam – the one that brushes off events that happen while he’s being possessed – or the one who is willing to kill himself to make those things right? Probably neither. The real Sam probably falls somewhere in the middle, with regret and sadness over the events, and probably an unrepressable feeling of being personally tainted by them – but with a rational understanding that he was possessed and had no control.

Finally, we see that Cas has learned a lesson from being human, and that is that a single life is more valuable than the bigger picture benefit. While it’s a very human reaction to put the life of someone you love above the lives of dozens of strangers, it’s not necessarily good, and I’m not sure Cas learned the right lesson. I think I know where Carver is going with this. Amelia last season had a big problem with “heroes,” and the lesson at the end of this series might be that Sam and Dean need to stop being heroes. But I’m not sure I agree. I’ll have to think more about that one.

The Highlights

Sam and Dean have split up. Crowley approached Dean at a bar and tells him that John Winchester had at one point found The First Blade, a weapon that can kill Abaddon, and he wants to hunt with Dean to find it. Dean plays along, and the two end up at the residence of Cain, where they learn that Cain had created the Knights of Hell before turning away from violence. The Mark of Cain on his wrist and the weapon go hand in hand, so Dean consents to be branded with the Mark of Cain even though he’s warned it comes with a great cost.

Meanwhile, Cas and Sam are home, trying to extract some of Gadreel’s grace left behind in Sam so that they can use it to track Gadreel’s location. Against Sam’s wishes, Cas chooses to save Sam over extracting enough grace to find Gadreel when Sam’s life is threatened.

The Good

There was a lot of mytharc and action in the Dean part of the story. Dean fans have been clamoring for years for a more central role for Dean in the mytharc, and it looks like they have it.

Omundson was great in his portrayal of Cain. This was definitely a guest appearance worth having.

The episode was directed by John Badham, a big name for this show, and the results were worth it. The fight scene and the feel (lighting, camera affects) to the scenes were high quality and put this episode a couple of notches above the rest.

We were treated to some unusual parings. There were good interactions between Dean and Crowley. I love it when Crowley toys with Dean. There were good interactions between Sam and Cas. I love it when Sam toys with Cas.

The Bad

Aside from Sam’s motivations making little sense, there was too much screaming and not enough talking. I think a lot of us are tired of the pattern of Sam tied down and screaming, pinned up against the wall, or unconscious in the corner.  While we got more insight into Sam than we usually do, for all of the reasons listed above, it's not near enough for us to understand and buy into the story.  There are too many dots that need to be connected still.

Dean became Lucifer’s bitch for what exactly? For Abaddon? She wasn’t even his primary target.

It’s one thing for Dean or Sam to walk into a cleverly laid trap totally unaware. I’m not sure how I feel about Dean knowing that Crowley was setting a trap, but walking into it anyway.

Finally, we all knew the instant fix to Sam’s health issues was coming, but does the show really have to be so obvious about the fact that they’re going to drop whatever is wrong with Sam immediately after they’re finished using it to further Dean’s story? With Cas saying he couldn’t save Sam last season, and then him suddenly being able to save Sam even though Gadreel apparently couldn’t do much, is more insulting to Sam fans than anything else. The show isn’t even trying to be subtle about using Sam as a plot device again.

The "Huh"?

The timeline on demons/humanity has me all turned around. As I understand it, the first humans were Adam and Eve, so Cain and Abel must have followed shortly after. Cain was turned into a demon, but wasn’t Lilith supposed to be the first human-turned-demon? Also, Lucifer fell because he was jealous of God’s attention to humans, but he had already fallen at the start of human creation (Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden)?

The Speculation

Let’s talk about the mark of Cain and what it might mean for Dean. More power obviously. Dean has a weapon that can kill Abaddon and probably a host of other things too. But the mark of Cain is a symbol of murder – murder of a brother. Can Dean wear it without killing his brother? Cain warned that the mark comes with “a great burden," :a great cost.” What would be so great to Dean to make him regret it? I’m thinking Sam.

Does Dean work for Lucifer now? If he does, does Lucifer still want Sam? And will that be the price?

31 comments:

  1. Lillith was the first demon, but it's questionable if she was every really human, in Biblical lore, she was intended to be the mate for Adam, but was too independant, so he made Eve (and even in lore there were two Eves, go figure) I don't have a problem with Cain being called the first demon too.


    I'm not certain where you get that Dean is Lucifer's bitch? He's Cain's bitch, and we know that Cain has acted independently of Hell in the past (by killing all his minions the Knights of Hell and stopping murder) the main point here is that Dean has taken on the mark, but he's fundamentally different in that he never killed Sam to 'save him' he'd rather hurt himself. What the burden as the father of murder may be is if Dean comes back and kills Cain, right now Dean is 'heir apparent'


    Yeah we get that Dean is self-loathing, but hopefully writers will remember he gets back up and fights back.


    While Sam's been put on the backburner with the possession of Gadreel, I think he's gonna step up now and save Dean, where Sam is at right now is that he's a)mad that Dean dragged him back (via possession) from Death and that b) Dean has left of his own accord. Sam states to Dean that 'go ahead, but that's not the problem; - and seeing that Sam and Dean are together by next ep, this separation isn't very long - even after the season built up to this point, the whole reveal has been anticlimactic, much as the trials were last season.


    Carver can write a good episode, but he's got no talent for showrunning, too much filler, too much uneven pacing, not scanning the episodes from writers for continuity, and not seeking out some new strong writers.

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  2. I'm making the Lucifer connection because Cain's deal was with Lucifer. He became Lucifer's servant and got the mark when made that deal. Lucifer's been an absentee boss lately, but he's the creator of demons, and all are supposed to ultimately report to him, even if a few like Crowley have chosen to rebell.

    Dean has been different than Cain in the past, but I'm speculating here what the cost tied to this deal might be. That hasn't been disclosed yet.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Dean moving past the self-loathing state. My issue was with in the 8th or 9th season, suddenly writing Sam as having those same traits that once were used to distinguish between the two brothers without showing a clear path as to how Sam got there.

    Thanks for commenting.

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  3. "Dean has taken on the mark, but he's fundamentally different in that he never killed Sam to 'save him' he'd rather hurt himself"


    I agree, while Dean & Cain was similar in the brotherhood aspect, the fact that Cain killed his brother and Dean didn't changed many things. I don't think this cost is specifically about brothers, I think it's more about losing humanity, which I really hope it's not the case.

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  4. Your psychological analysis of Sam was spot on, I'm confused w/ what they're doing too.


    I don't think Dean became anyone's bitch or servant, Lucifer is out of picture and apparently this mark wasn't that of a bother to Cain either, I'm sure he could find another worthy person to give it to him way back if he wanted to. Dean just acquired a mighty weapon w/ a great cost, but as you said for killing a character that wasn't on his priority list until now. Hope there is more to this weapon and plot.


    Overall great episode, and forget about Abaddon and Crowley, I vote Cain (even if he doesn't want it) he was that awesome. lol

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  5. I do feel it's the best episode in this season so far, despite it's errors listed in the article. I do hope they continue the mythology arch and developing the friendship of Sam and Castiel (I think it's the first time we get to know how they feel about each other?) I hope Crowley has some plot-twist up his sleeve, and that the mark of Cain won't be just yet another cool mark on Dean which disappears as soon as it's not needed anymore (like Cas' handprint)

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  6. I have to watch the episode again, but when i was watching live i had a feeling that the spell worked and Cas really knows where Gadreel is.

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  7. Thanks for weighing,in. I have no idea where they're going with the Dean/Cain connection. It seems like the cost should be significant given what the mark represents, but who knows. My guesses are usually wrong.


    Agree that Cain was pretty awesom.

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  8. Talking this over is starting to depress me. I think I'm going to end up taking a break from this show before the season's over. I need the characterizations to make sense and I need to feel like there's attention and forward movement with the character stories for both Sam and Dean, and I'm not getting that.

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  9. Thanks for commenting. I've been a big proponent of more interaction between Sam and Cas since season 6, but for some reason this scene didn't do much for me. It's probably because I couldn't suspend my disbelief in what was coming out Sam's mouth. Glad you're enjoying the season more than I am. ;-)

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  10. That's interesting. I didn't get that feeling, but it's possible. Maybe Cas didn't want Sam going on a suicide mission?

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  11. I'm with you in the very bewildering way that Sam is being written. It's almost like the writing for him has become perfunctory. It feels as if the writers are obliged to write for him so they get him from A to Z without ever touching on any other letter. It's a shame became Sam is a damn intriguing character. I'd love to get back a Sam of season one or two, or even a Sam with the confidence of a Soulless Sam who knew how good he was, and wasn't afraid to show it, who wasn't afraid to stand up for himself or to go after what he wanted and who had no hesitation on calling Dean out when he felt it necessary.

    In relation to Deans low self esteem coming from his relationship with John, I wonder if that's where Sam's current low self esteem comes from. I think Dean has been acting like a mini John in the past season and a half in relation to Sam. He's keeping secrets, he's pretty extreme in his criticism of Sam, he's making decisions for him, he's expecting him to do certain things and fulfil certain responsibilities. There is no room for human weakness. Sure, Dean is also complimenting Sam etc but never to his face. We saw John do similar early season one in the episode with the possessed pilots (??) when we saw that the man in the hanger (aaargh, early episodes!) acknowledge that John spoke well of his sons. Like John, Dean loves Sam (I also believe that John loved both his sons) but like John, the way that he decides to show that love is very problematic because it isn't rooted in developing much self worth.

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  12. I all ready put some SPN posters down from my wall but still going to the Con in 9 months but It is getting bad to be a fan right now I can not blame Jared or Jensen I blame Carver and the writers for this I was thinking it was going to be good the start of the season but then got the same old same old crap I seen before and its sad I love the show but man if this story line goes no were like last year I do not know will happen.

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  13. Funny you mentioned the John parallels. I got the feeling at the end of last season that Dean was being intentionally written to resemble John in a lot of ways. In the first half of the season, he came back from Purgatory (a war setting, a parellel to John's history) more demanding and less tolerant of Sam's choices. And in watching the scene in Sacrifice, I felt I was watching Dean and John rather than Sam and Dean.


    The problem I'm having with this is that if it is where the writers are going, they're not committing to it. Dean reverted back to caretaker and supportive Dean through much of the end of last season, and Sam's issues are being more directly connected to low self-esteem than living in an abusive environment (to clarify, I'm saying here that the Sam/Dean relationship is NOT abusive - strained and at times damaging, but not abusive). I could believe that John chipped away a little at Sam's self-esteem too, but obviously not enough to stop Sam from rebelling against his family and going to Stanford.


    I could also buy that Sam is suffering from deep depression, and the lowered self-esteem is a temporary symptom of it, but again, the writers aren't committing enough and drawing the connections to make a strong case. Sam's writing seems to be thrown in as an afterthought in most cases, so it's really hard to know what's really going on here.

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  14. I agree completely about Sam's characterization, and I'm really frustrated by the way Carver reconned him. I think that Carver is trying to make them deal with the legacy of their childhood and how they were raised by turning Dean into John last season. The criticisms that Dean threw at Sam, including somehow being responsible for being soulless, indicate that. So, Dean destroyed Sam's self-worth the same way John destroyed his. I don't think that makes much sense considering Sam and Dean's prior relationship or the ages that they are at. Sam isn't a kid after all.

    I also don't understand how Castiel "completely" healed Sam when he'd just said that removing Gadreel's grace had reversed the healing process so Sam was as damaged as when he ended the trials. Did he inject some of his stolen grace or put some of Gadreel's back? That didn't make sense to me.

    As for Dean walking into a trap and also accepting the mark without finding out anything about it, I think that Dean is just being reckless and self-destructive. I don't think he cares what happens to him. Along with all the dead he's left in his wake, he has reason to believe that he's estranged Sam for good. Sam wasn't angry, he was disappointed but not surprised. He was just hurt and dismissive. He failed to protect Sam. He not only betrayed Sam's trust he put him in more danger. Dean wants to be punished.

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  15. While Cain killed his brother and Dean didn't, there is a parallel in that both sacrificed himself to protect his brother (Dean when he sold his soul) and neither trusted his brother to make his own decision (Dean when he wouldn't let Sam die).

    I know that the show isn't following the Bible in the Cain and Abel story, but in the Bible when God asks Cain where his brother is, Cain answers, "Am I my brother's keeper?" I think that is pertinent to the Supernatural parallel here.

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  16. Of course! I'm not denying the obvious parallel here, I was just pointing out the difference in this important stage of their lives caused a great difference in their fates afterward.
    But yeah, the parallel between the brothers was clear and intended in the plot.

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  17. Wow, Sam gets knocked out. That's new. *sigh*

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  18. Yeah, I didn't have that impression either, but someone else did as well. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

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  19. "Sam isn't a kid after all."
    Exactly. A big part of why I'm rejecting Sam's characterization is that he wasn't shown to have such a low self-esteem in the past, and people don't suddenly develop such severe self-esteem issues (to the point where Sam would reject all rational arguments that he wasn't to blame for Kevin's death) as adults. Self-esteem can dip during depression, but this is being portrayed as deeper than that.


    Unless there's a twist with Castiel healing Sam - like as you said Casiel reinserting angel grace - I'm chalking this up to the writers being done with the Sam-is-sick storyline since the the damage to Dean was finished, and not even bothering to put much thought into the resolution. It's reminiscent of all of the warnings that Sam would be drooling on the floor if his wall broke, only to see that he could control his condition with an easy mind-trick - giving himself a physical reminder of Dean by pressing on his palm.


    Agree that Dean was a mission to punish himself and that this is a self-destructive act.

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  20. I just wrote like six paragraphs of verbal vomit on the very subject of Sam's self-esteem/suicidal ideaton and came to the same conclusion - that it's Dean's treatment of him that has caused him to become such a suicidal head case. While I acknowledge that this side of Sam's characterization seems to have begun when Carver took over as showrunner, you're right about Dean's characterization having seemingly taken an abusive turn on that end right around the same time. Dean has been shown as angry and taking it out on Sam a lot since last season, and the brothers' relationship in general just hasn't been all that harmonious since Carver started steering the ship.

    What bothers me is how Sam no longer even tries to stand up for himself anymore. He just keeps on taking the abuse and internalizing his emotions to the point of self-defeat and it's depressing as hell to watch. I think that both brothers have been written out of character for quite some time but we notice it more with Sam because he's mostly serving as a plot device that is being shoved off to the side while Dean interacts with everyone else. Sam just isn't being written well under Carver at all. No wonder Jared Padalecki was so excited about getting to play an additional character this season, his main role is being severely neglected. Which is a shame because he's done some outstanding work this season and you'd think they would want to allow him to finish the season as strongly as he began it. I don't have my hopes up too high about Sam getting any kind of justice coming from Carver and these writers for some reason though.

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  21. I see your point about rejecting Sam's characterization as it is because he's a 30 year old man for Pete's sake, it really doesn't make much sense for him to suddenly regress back to a teenaged mindset, does it? If you humored me at all in my other post though, I did come up with a couple of valid reasons for why he has. Quite simply it seems as if his mental state never quite recovered after his wall came down in season 7. He had just stopped hallucinating Lucifer and not knowing the difference between his cage memories and reality right around the time Dean and Cas were sent to Purgatory. Then he spent his mindscrewed year with Amelia, where I still maintain that he had some sort of psychotic break. That was another thing - at one point during his time with Amelia they showed him pressing down on his hand scar and for some reason or another they never went back to it. It was such an odd thing for them to throw into the storyline without any follow through. I was expecting to find out that he was still having some sort of hallucinations and then it was just dropped. His characterization has just been all over the place that it's hard to tell what the hell is going on with him anymore.

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  22. Back In Black Tricksteress 95January 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM

    let me start off be saying it was an awesome episode :)
    This Cain storyline was unexpected. I had thought he was testing Dean and then it led to the marking. I really think Cain is one of the good guys, I just hope that was a wise decision.
    I hope this dosen't end on Sam. When Lucifer was mentioned I am almost speculating that Lucifer is going to break out and try to jump Sam again again. I think Sam is Lucifer top priority.
    I can't excatly speculate especially if the old apocolyspe storyling returns, but that would be a good twist though?.
    The price might not be on Sam, it could mean Dean owes his life or something like that. So this is a storyline that will evolve, hopefully good. Dean was awesome fighting those demons off!.
    Ah Crowley I was a little fooled how sneaky he was, but I know he's the evil guy but he was so amusing!. Crowley always have great interaction with the boys, but with Dean it was great. He does need payback however.
    So ultimately Crowley wants Abbadon and reign hell again, he's abit like a cat (got nine lives) I like to see more of him and his schemy ways.
    I appreciated the Sam and Cas interaction. I was surprised how Sam opened up but I was glad to see what was he was feeling.
    I had almost thought that Sam was going to jab himself to get all the grace out and Cas was going to use that grace.
    I am glad none of that happened but it does fuel to my speculation whether the demon blood soaked up the grace and Sam still got hidden powerly stuff that is ready to be unleashed.
    It was really good to see that interaction between those two and the hug was great!.
    There so much to see unfolding with both of the brothers and Cas and the demon political parties lol ;)

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  23. Wow, this a really, really good post. I can't add anything, and I think you are spot on with your analysis. If all this is true, I really wish Carver and crew would dedicate at least a few episodes in the second half to focus on Sam and how he got there. I've lost patience for the cryptic comment here and there. There's far too much thought and work required to make sense of this, and it's unrealistic to assume fans will put that much effort into it.

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  24. I wouldn't mind revisiting some of the older Apocalypse mythology, particularly Sam's ties with Lucifer, the boy king angle, and the demon blood part, but I don't think I want to see the real Lucifer out of his cage again. I want the focus to stay on Sam and Dean, and if Lucifer was back, the focus would shift to him and the angels again. I wish I could believe that the demon blood would be tied to Sam's miraculous healing, but I tend to doubt we'll hear anything more about it, unless it ties in with the angels storyline.


    Dean has his own ties with demons and Hell. He was tortured by Alistair in Hell, became a torturer, and because he was older when Mary was killed, I think Mary's murder by a demon hit him harder. I would hope that whatever Dean's connection to Hell is now, that his story is told in a way that remembers his own past.


    On the hug between Sam and Cas - I thought it was a joke that tied back to the season 6 hug that Cas tried to give Sam, but Sam wouldn't hug back. Anyone else think of that too?

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  25. I don't remember Sam pressing down on his scar with Amelia. I must have missed that. I do think you're right thought that there was an implication that Sam had some sort of mental break. It might have been nothing more than panic and depression, but I agree that we were supposed to see that period as Sam mourning Dean. Although I do think Sam was starting to heal and move on with Amelia until Don showed up.

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  26. They did introduce the idea in this episode that angel grace is often left behind so perhaps there is still some of Lucifer's grace left in Sam. This could then lead to the possibility of Dean killing Sam (which is where I think the end game is going) to 'save him'. I mean, Cain killed Abel because Lucifer was simply talking to him so what would happen if Dean thought there was still Lucifer grace in Sam?

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  27. Hmmm ... that's very interesting. I hadn't considered that Lucifer's grace might have been left behind, but that opens up a lot of possibilities. Throwing some more ideas out there ....


    - There was another comment that Cas appeared to be hiding something when he said the spell didn't work. What if he recognized that the grace he pulled out was Lucifer's and not Gadreel's?


    - Another Lucifer-related theory that I've seen posted around the Net is that the events are resembling what happened in the episode "The End." Bobby is dead. Cas was human for a while, and who knows, he might end up choosing to become human again. The angels left in the End, but it looks like they might end up killing themselves off in this timeline. And "The End" ended with a Lucifer-possessed Sam killing Dean. A lot what we're seeing seems to be pointing to a Sam vs. Dean showdown at the end of the series.


    - A thought that passed through my mind watching this was that Sam being desperate to kill Gadreel reminded me of Sam being desperate to kill Lilith in season 4. It's possible that in both cases Sam's primary motivation was concern about Dean. Sam no doubt picked up on Dean's state of mind and that he was going to do something very self-destructive. Getting to Gadreel first might have been an attempt to stop that. My reservation with this theory was that Sam's words were about Kevin, but it's possible his thoughts were about Dean. The connection I'm making to Lucifer is that this is what started Sam on the demon blood path the first time around.


    Anyway, very interesting theory, and thanks for sharing!

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  28. Thanks. Like I said, it's really not that easy to try and get into Sam's head space because of how inconsistently he's been written coupled with the lack of his POV. A lot of these things escaped me during the initial run and didn't jump out at me until I rewatched the episodes that covered his flashback year. Carver said at the time that the flashback storylines weren't supposed to be taken at face value, that they came down to reality vs. perception. On Dean's end we actually got Castiel's POV explaining the parts of his flashbacks that were faulty memories. On Sam's end we were never given anything else. They once again dropped the ball when it came to Sam's storyline and most people did take everything that happened at face value. The experimentation with his storyline just wasn't executed well at all and painted him in a very unsympathetic light. Add to this the sugary sweet bright lighting (which I believe was meant to be a clue that what we were seeing was some sort of mind trip and just wasn't executed well) and the lack of chemistry between Jared and Liane Balaban and it's easy to write the entire thing off. Bottom line is I think that this kind of storytelling was a little bit too ambitious for a show like Supernatural and shouldn't have been introduced in the 8th season of a show where up until then what you see is what you get. It's asking too much of the audience to analyze these things so deeply.

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  29. Oh I agree that towards the end of his story with Amelia that they both were starting to heal and move on from their respective grief. Gone were the liquor bottles strewn everywhere and they seemed to have fallen into a healthier pattern with one another once they had gotten the house together.

    Sam was shown pressing down on his scar in the scene with Amelia's father after she pleaded with him to be nice to Sam and he started asking about the Impala. At the time I remember thinking that maybe they were trying to hint that Sam was periodically checking to make sure that he was still grounded in reality because things seemed to be going too well for him. Like he was expecting the whole thing to disappear on him any second and he'd be back in hell again. It was just so odd for them to be showing him doing that after so much time had passed between him being in the mental institution and then and then of course they never revisited it so we never got a clear answer as to why he did it in the first place.

    That episode was the one where he started resolving his own feelings about how he had been living in a dream world the entire time he was with Amelia though, basically admitting to himself that he couldn't outrun his past anymore because it would come back to punch him in the gut and eventually destroy him. Amelia's husband coming back from the dead was his punch in the gut, reminding him that he'd only been fooling himself that he could find happiness after losing Dean. He'd built the whole thing up in his memory as this idyllic romance but there were clues thrown in the entire time that he was merely clinging to the illusion of a happy life while he was with her.

    Jeremy Carver had originally intended for the flashback storylines to be resolved in episode 13 but the format was so unpopular that they decided to drop them and reboot the season. He admitted that it was an experiment that didn't work out but Sam's storyline got the crap end of the stick in all of it because his reality was never fully shown. At least Dean's had the resolution through Castiel's POV about his faulty memories.

    The entire thing was just a mess and it just sort of proves that Sam as a character hasn't been handled well under Carver's reign. I honestly think that was the reason why they decided to have him be possessed by Gadreel, they don't know what to do with him and are under the false impression that the viewing audience is interested in seeing more angels. Their solution is to stick an angel in him and turn him into a plot device instead of expanding the character. It's just really frustrating as a long-time fan of this show and brothers fan to see what they've done to him. They haven't really done right by Dean either as I think they've turned him into a bit of an abusive jerk towards Sam but since he has POV he's seen much more sympathetically because he gets to relate with other characters. The brothers as a unit have suffered greatly under Carver and it's making it so that my enjoyment of watching this show is being affected in a huge way. I don't think that I'm alone in this either as I've seen other people who feel the same way.

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  30. I don't want Lucifer out of his cage and possessing Sam. My train of thought might not be making much sense, but you had made a comment in your original post that you thought there they might go down the path of Dean killing Sam. I was just thinking about The End ending. All speculation of course, but Carver is amping up tension between them. If Sam isn't happy, can't stop hunting because Dean won't let him, and can't even die because Dean won't let him, you might say Carver is building motive.


    In looking at "The End" theory, things aren't currently playing out exactly how they did before. Events have been altered, probably because Sam and Dean did stop the Apocalypse. Bobby died but not from the Croatoan-infected, and not while in a wheelchair. The angels didn't leave because Dean didn't say yes. If this were to happen, Sam might not have all of Lucifer inside him - maybe just his grace.


    I was watching the back seasons of Being Human recently, and I don't know if Carver had any input on this particular part, but there's a line by Bishop (Pellegrino) which is taken as a truth, and that is that the father never kills the son. The son always kills the father. In this scenario, Dean has the father role and Sam the son.


    Anyway, I'm hoping this doesn't go there, but part of me thinks Carver is at least laying some groundwork to play with this as a possible ending.


    And I completely agree with you that one of the big motivations with Lilith was trying to save, or later take some of the burden, off Dean. There was more to it than that, but that was a big one.

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  31. Back In Black Tricksteress 95January 26, 2014 at 2:11 AM

    I had originally thought that hug meant Sam was going to do the rest of the injection, but I think it was just a hug, hopefully not mockingly (which I don't think so)
    Of course I want the focus to be on the boys, evenly split of their storylines. It was surprising to hear about Lucifer and does ring a few warning bells to me, if it is that road thats great more storylines but if it is not it was a confusion and it would be good to know if Adam is definately not coming back. He was annoying but has some importance.
    As for Dean I like your view on it. Actually what would be great if both of the boys' past connects to their storyline, more focus and more to understand and to relate.

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