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Arrow - Episode 2.13 - Heir to the Demon - Promo

30 Jan 2014

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20 comments:

  1. mac30 January 2014 at 02:18

    Finally the Al Ghul plot moves forward.


    They're seriously stretching the blood chapter and keep us waiting with Slade, glad to see that SOMETHING moves

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  2. jason30 January 2014 at 02:27

    Looks fuckin awesome can't wait

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  3. Morrigan_257530 January 2014 at 02:35

    Nyssa seems awesome. I liked the little canary cry there. I can't tell if the promo is playing up the Nyssa/Sara thing or if the show is really going there.

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  4. Felipe Annes30 January 2014 at 04:54

    I keep wandering when will Batman appear to help the Arrow?

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  5. Setheriel30 January 2014 at 05:13

    Never. Batman is too profitable a franchise on its own, plus it would have to be cross studio and that just does not happen unfortunately.

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  6. Graydon30 January 2014 at 05:14

    Finally they're pronouncing Ra's al Ghul correctly.

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  8. Compass_130 January 2014 at 08:10

    Yeah yeah, we heard you. Tell me, with your fixation on Blood, did you even notice he didn't appear in the latest episode? LOL.
    And I guess the beginning of the Suicide Squad and the beginning of Roy's journey toward becoming Red Arrow don't equal "something moving" to you. I wonder what does *eyeroll*

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  9. shitter30 January 2014 at 14:00

    Same thing with Wonder Woman or Superwoman

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  10. mac30 January 2014 at 14:34

    if you can't handle fucking criticism then just ignore it.


    The suicide squad had about 20 seconds ?

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  11. Setheriel30 January 2014 at 15:02

    So, am I right in assuming that it's ONLY the Slade and Al Ghul plots that you consider interesting and would consider "moving the show forward"? I say this because it seems your unhappy with ANY other plot development that is not completely Slade/Al Ghul centric? Are there any other story lines your enjoying? I'm genuinely curious at this point.

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  12. mac30 January 2014 at 15:10

    sigh


    every season needs to have a main plot, a red line that is connecting the episodes otherwise we have a bunch of lose episodes.
    This plot is the Blood/Slade chapter in my eyes (would you disagree ?). Blood is redundant now as we have discovered Slade being behind the entire thing. Getting rid of Blood and entering a new phase of the red line should have been done long ago.
    Is the suicide squad a storyline we'll see this year or next season ? No one knows and the seeds are planted RARELY. Is Red Arrow significant ? He shouldn't be more significant than the plot. Wich in this episode he was.
    Approach any writer and ask him/her if the pacing on this show is good

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  13. Setheriel30 January 2014 at 15:24

    I do know some writers. Most are fine with the pacing of the show. Is Red Arrow significant? Of course he is! He is the Green Arrows sidekick in all established cannon. If he did not come into the show in at least some sense, then this would be a total re-imagining of the Green Arrow, not a modern re-telling.

    And as to the plot, I think your looking a little to surface at it. The real plot this season to me is redemption. Ollie coming to terms with what happened on the Island with Slade/Shadow/Sara. Roy redeeming himself in his own eyes and becoming the man he wants to be for Thea. Moira redeeming herself after her complicity in the earthquake. Sara coming to terms with what she did with Dr. Ivo and the League and finally being able to return to her family.

    Also there is Laurel, going through her crucible and finally being able to get over Tommy's death, possible leading her on the path to becoming an iteration of the Black Canary.

    In story writing, the plot, the real plot is about the emotional and physical journey of the characters themselves. The villains and cases of the week are just the mechanism used to move them there, not the be all of the plot in itself, in my opinion.

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  14. mac30 January 2014 at 15:29

    He might be but he could have been 'introduced' to Arrows world in an episode that wouldn't have had no significance on the overall storyline. Have him and Ollie face Deathstroke for the first time or something that moves the plot forward instead of holding it up pointlessly.


    Look I'll leave you your opinion, I posted my gripes with the show and you desperately try to prove me wrong and try to get me to stop posting. I don't get your dislike of opinions that aren't yours. I let others have their outlook on the show and don't tell them that they should stop watching. You on the other hand straight out try to shut critics up.

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  15. Setheriel30 January 2014 at 15:35

    I'm not trying to shut you up man, I enjoy debate very much. I just like to understand where critics come from and if they actually have any reason to back up their criticisms. You do and that's great, i respect that. I'm not name calling or being rude in any way, just trying to have an intelligent debate man. Sorry if I offended you.

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  16. Compass_130 January 2014 at 17:59

    Nah, the Suicide Squad has been going in the background for a while now. Lyla was sent to Russia to release Deadshot and get him to join the suicide squad, and I think this episode aldo set up Bronze Tiger being currently a foe but also a potential friend with enough cash.

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  17. mac30 January 2014 at 19:13

    you didn't just wanted to get your point right.


    emotional journeys should merely to be the effect, never the driving plot element itself. That's my gripe with your point.


    I see that Arrow has a huge fanbase and while glad people enjoy it that much I feel like the show is relying on its fixed fanbase a bit too much instead of delivering us more jaw dropping episodes.


    Like the one with Diggle and Deadshot facing off in russia, now that was a badass and intense episode even tough it didn't really drive the plot forward. I do enjoy such episodes if they feel special enough. This one reminded me of a saturday morning Marvel cartoon following the basic 'bad guy hires bad guy to plant a bomb. hero and his sidekick intervene' formula.mixed with Nolan-ish broodyness.


    I was a huge smallville fan so I get what such episodes having going for it but this one felt like a slow paced Smallville episode...yeah...that's actually a pretty fitting description for this episode if you ask me.


    BUT in this episodes defense:I wasn't as let down as of last weeks episode wich I hyped up too much myself because of the Deathstroke promise in the promo. This one delivered at what it promised 'Roy getting into the limelight'. Maybe it's because I can't stand Roy ?


    But having finally completely rewatched season 1 I can safely say that season 1 reached a dry period after mid-season as well and took up pace again with episode 16 ('Dead to Rights' badass episode)

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  18. Setheriel30 January 2014 at 19:23

    Glad I didn't offend. I can agree with some of your points, particularly the formulaic 'bad guy hires bad guy to plant a bomb. hero and his sidekick intervene' formula.mixed with Nolan-ish broodyness' part. I guess I just thought it was handled better than a lot of shows do at this type of episode formula. I was never a big Smallville fan, as I just couldn't stand Kristen Kreuk as Lana, so it threw the whole show off for me. But I did watch the first 2 season,, so I get your comparison.

    Totally agree with you on season 1 dry spell. I actually stopped watching it about 2 episodes after mid-season. A friend of mine convinced me that summer to catch up because it picked up again. Glad I did.

    I think the writers on this show like to drive plot elements slowly for the first 3/4 of a season, and then have the huge burst of episodes at the end that move it along. That can be a good formula to use, especially since your last 4 fast paced plot driven episodes will coincide with May sweeps. But I can understand how the pace can be offputting to some viewers.

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  19. mac30 January 2014 at 19:57

    Oh it's definitely doing a better job at that than Birds of Prey did or various crime procedurals do.
    This show has just such a variety ups and downs that it's hard to set your expectations and I admit, I probably set them a bit too high after the midseason finale and I'm used to 'The Originals' constant quality push.
    Yeah...Kreuk was awfull but after a while I grew to appreciate her damsel in distress-ish acting and just saw her as comic relief even tough she wasn't supposed to be taken as a joke..but she was :P

    We're probably in one again and that's exactly the reason I'm sticking with it, I have faith in the writers to now take it slow but give it their full game when they're reaching the final run. Season 1s final episodes were brilliant and incredibly fast paced alltogether.

    I do hope that we'll get a plot heavy episode with this or at least a forshadowing one. Ras will definitely come in by the season finale to battle it out with Arrow and Slade (and hopefully Malcom)



    I love this show for one particular reason: it stands for theCWs rise out of its creative ashes. What shows like Gossip Girl, 90210, Melrose Place etc. tore down into a 'teeny network' was built up into a genre network by shows like Arrow, Nikita, The Originals (I'm not counting TVD wich is more romance than mystery) and Tomorrow People. And I hope that this positive trend keeps going, because I'm still holding my childhood WB memories dear

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  20. Alex Forrest30 January 2014 at 20:06

    I think at most, they could throw in Bruce Wayne without any explicit reference to his being Batman. Or perhaps only even mention him or Gotham City as one of their many nods/winks to the DC universe.

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