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Supernatural - Episode 9.09 - Holy Terror - Review

Dec 7, 2013

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Supernatural’s mid-season finale Holy Terror could have been one of the top episodes of the series. It should have been an episode rich with character drama, increasing tension, and concluding with a jaw-dropping twist. Instead it was mediocre even by post-season 5 standards.

The final moments had good stuff – Dean learns that the angel inside Sam isn’t Ezekiel and the gravity of the danger finally hits him. Gadreel kills Kevin and tells Dean that Sam is no longer there. I’m sorry to see Kevin go. I would have much rather traded Garth because the kid had potential to really make a mark on the series. Instead he was killed before he had the chance to make the jump from wallpaper/sidekick to a truly beloved character who was part of the Winchester family. Again, wasted potential. I do accept though that the show at times needs to kill off characters to raise the stakes in the plot, and Kevin always was expendable.

What prevented this from being a great episode is that the tone throughout most of the episode was wrong. The writers for this episode, Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner, often seem to feel the need to turn everything into some kind of comedic farce, stripping the gravitas right out of the scenes. Instead of Anna and Uriel from season 4, we got the Melody Ministry Glee Club facing off against a group of born-again bikers in a dive bar. We saw a return of Cas the buffoon – the one who throws out eye-rolling lines like “Cas is back in town,” and jokes with Dean about how “hot” his reaper-fling was.

In fact, there were issues with a lot of the dialogue – from the heavy-handed “Lord of the Rings” line from Malachi, “And so it begins,” to Dean casually tossing out to Sam, “Would I lie?” right after he’s been shoveling out pile after pile. Other examples of dialogue that didn’t work: “anemic functionaries like Bartholomew” from an angel (do angels care about a human condition like anemia enough to make it part of their vocabulary?), or “top of the Christmas tree Castiel” (do angels really joke about themselves as Christmas tree ornaments?).

These writers don’t seem to respect the characters or the story and feel the need to poke fun at them at every chance they get. This can work sometimes. I was more charitable to this writing team in season 7, because I thought they introduced a more playful tone to the series that it desperately needed at the time. But lately they’ve writing more of the mytharc-driving episodes, and in episodes like this, the tone is just wrong. These episodes are too important.

The Highlights

The angel wars have been escalating, and there’s a new power challenging Bartholomew. This angel is Malachi, one Cas describes as an “anarchist.” Meanwhile, Metatron makes an appearance to try to sway Gadreel (Zeke), who has been imprisoned since he slipped up and let the Garden of Eden fall, to become his soldier in remaking Heaven. Gadreel’s first task is to kill Kevin Tran, which he does to Dean’s horror. He also tells Dean that Sam is no longer in his body.

The Good

Despite the episode’s shortcomings, the plot twists were good: Ezekiel being revealed as Gadreel, Metatron recruiting Gadreel and turning him into a killer, the announcement that Sam is gone (because we don’t really believe it, but it added tension to the plot), and Kevin’s death (disappointing and sad, but it was a game changer).

Also good was that there was no appearance of rogue reapers.

The Bad

Aside from everything I mentioned above, there were some eyebrow-raising liberties taken with the portrayal of angels. Cas is able to steal another angel’s grace by slitting his throat? Really? Also, why wouldn’t Cas be able to see and recognize angels even in his human form? Anna could see demons’ true faces and recognized Cas and Uriel even though Cas had started wearing a new human after she had fallen.

Pickings were slim for opportunities for Sam exposition in this episode, given the inconvenient fact that Sam was mostly missing, so we got exposition from Gadreel instead.

Finally, one of the things that struck me watching this episode was that all of the loss was about the angels. The deaths were mourned by Cas as angel deaths and there was little mention of the human casualties. The result of presenting the story like this is that it distances Sam and Dean from the angel mytharc. A huge supernatural disturbance such as this would have been very troubling to Sam and Dean in earlier seasons because of the massive loss of human life that would result. They would have been talking about this earlier and more actively researching the situation, rather than heading out on smaller supernatural cases week after week. Watching this episode, I had a moment of wishing for a return of John Winchester to remind them, “there are lives at stake!”

The Speculation

Do you think we’ll see a new prophet emerge? I’m personally hoping “no” and that the plot moves beyond deciphering tablets, which has gotten a little dull. Also, what do you think will happen to Sam?

91 comments:

  1. Thanks Lilith. When I was thinking about what I wanted to put in this review, I had a whole different section drafted in my head comparing a lot of this to season 7 - some of the bigger connections being Sam and Dean's almost indifference to the human casualties that were mounting as the result of the big mytharc (Leviathans in season 7 and angels on earth now), and the setting aside of any story for Sam to focus on "Dean goes to a dark place." I want Dean's story to involve more than just protecting Sam, but I don't understand why there can't be stories for both Sam and Dean at the same time - and frankly Dean goes to a dark place every other season.


    I differ in that I like the bigger mytharc stories - the salt-and-burns get repetitive after a while imo - but that doesn't mean there can't be a personal connection in the mytharc stories. If anything, it's during these bigger stories that the character development for Sam and Dean should be in overdrive since the stakes for them are raised.


    Oh, your post reminds me of something I had meant to put in the review - if Gadreel was trying to hide from angels, why did he pick Sam as a vessel given how often Sam and Dean mix with angels? A lower-profile vessel would seem smarter. Or did he not know who Sam and Dean were when he answered Dean's call?


    As for the writers, I wish they would take turns writing these types of episodes if there's no one like Edlund on staff. Some of the more junior writers show potential and actually might do a better job. I'm getting really bored with Thompson always does Charlie episodes, Glass always does Garth or kids episodes, Buckner and Ross-Leming always do witch or angel stories, etc. I want them to start mixing this up and surprising us.

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  2. Well, i'm guessing that Gadreel knew of the Winchesters, since they were chosen vessels since the beginning of time or whatever, not to mention that Sam would be an ideal vessel that wouldn't turn to goo, since he was Lucifer's vessel, who was an archangel. I think it was actually smart of Gadreel to try and get in good with Dean as long as he was in Sam's body, Dean would protect him at all costs.


    There should be a personal connection in the mytharc stories, there USE to be. I totally agree that character development should be in overdrive during these high stake situations but to me there is not, or rather not as much as there should be. The story is really spread thin and makes for a choppy episode. The episode dragged a bit as well, which is something that shouldn't happen for any episode, let alone an important one.


    There is no one on the writing staff that I excited for anymore. It's all about there lesser of two evils at this point. I get excited for Guy Bee, Kim Rhodes and Felicia Day, that's about it. I was excited about Misha as human!Cas and Kevin but they've managed to yank that away from me as well.


    And if Team Free Heaven (Bobby, Rufus, Ellen, Jo, Ash, Pamela and now Kevin) don't make an appearance and help from their end in getting rid of Metatron, it will be a severely wasted epic opportunity.

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  3. Episode was good. You and that person that writes the terrible nitpick review should stop watching. And SpoilerTV need to stop letting jaded fans posts reviews.

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  4. The reason why I voted you down is that I actually LIKE reading the jaded reviews. They are a gazillion times more interesting in my opinion and get me thinking about the show and the season in a new light. Who said that reviewers always have to have a fantastic glowing review about an episode? If you don't like the reviews then DON'T read them--it doesn't mean that there aren't people who appreciate these reviews.

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  5. Thank you for this review: while this episode wasn't terrible (as I can name several worse ones in this season alone), as a mid-season finale it left a lot to be desired. What bothers me most, I think, is that with the first half of the season ostensibly behind us, we're left in a terrible place with all of the characters.


    Sam has been treated as obtuse in not recognizing any of the lies his brother has been telling. He's usually quite intuitive, even if he allows Dean to set boundaries on what omissions he gives for his own comfort, like hell. But in the rare moments when we have Sam, he's either oblivious, or he's being interrupted by Ezekiel/Gadreel.



    Dean has been written as "dumb for laughs" so much this season that it's truly insulting to me as a Dean fan. He's not unintelligent, but they're writing him that way perpetually now; and to build on that, this story arc is him being dumb AND gullible, a contrivance that leaves him holding the guilt ball for everything that happens, from Sam's current state (gone or not!), to Castiel being tortured again and off to war by himself (gotta kick him out to the wolves after all because the angel pacemaker says so), to Kevin being dead (don't ever trust that Dean Winchester!), and so on.


    Castiel is also dumb for laughs; as you put it, he's bumbling. He gets to provide us laughs! Sex! Juvenile comedy! Ineptness at humanity! Considering how many fans like me have been hoping for him to fall for years to be able to do just what the Angel Warrior short on the Season 8 DVDs said, provide that outside look on humanity, to be our eyes on it, I find that very disappointing overall. Castiel needed to fall to better integrate into the lives of the Winchesters. . . so while fallen, they had him exiled away, and then came up with a demon-blood type answer to repowering him? Why do it at all, then? All they've done is put him back to status quo of being powered when convenient to the story, and broken when it would be too easy of an answer.


    And then Kevin. I agree--if we needed a death like that, I would have preferred Garth. We've watched Kevin grow as a character since his introduction, and develop into someone who could be a part of the Winchesters' lives. He was a part of the family, or just getting there. Because they built the tablets to be their plot devices to fix the hole they'd written themselves into story-wise in Season 7, they gave Kevin too much power over the storyline. So they dumbed him down; suddenly he can't translate tablets? Suddenly he's drinking too much the night before, or vacationing in a warded hotel room just so they can get him out of the bunker? They killed him because of their own script weakness.


    They sent their token queer representation skipping off to Oz as a friend of Dorothy. They killed their token non-white character. They throw in perpetual over the top "we're so hetero!" conversation like the backslaps and jeers over the Reaper sex. It's painful to watch, and none of these characters seem like themselves any more.

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  6. Hmmm. This was actually the edited version after I purposely sat on it for a few days to get some perspective.


    This probably won't come as any consolation, but when I started writing these reviews this season it was on the condition (to myself) that I could still continue to find something positive in the episodes, so that the reviews would have balance. I decided that if there was episode that I couldn't find a single nice thing to say about, I would skip the review and replace it with a feature episode instead.

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  7. Thanks for responding to this. I haven't seen your name in the comments for a while. Welcome back (to commenting anyway)!

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  8. Thanks for the comments. As you could tell from my review, I prefer the serious, purposeful and smarter Cas to the one who too often appears as comic relief, but I we all have different taste.


    With the stealing grace, I don't know that it's canon one way or the other, but the act seemed a little questionable considering all of the trouble Anna went through to get hers back in season 4. Plus, angels are stabbing each other all of the time these days. There should be grace spilling out all over and growing big trees. What did Anna - something about it being pure creation?

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  9. I liked the angels of earlier seasons when there was purpose, but with the way they're being portrayed this season, they're not at all interesting. If they're supposed to be a threat, then make them a threat - rather than these comical figures that aren't even funny. I also agree that the writers need to stop portraying Cas as being so dumb. We know he's not, and it's not funny anymore.

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  10. The dumbing down of the Winchesters, and Cas, has been a major, major problem since about season 7 (or that's when I started noticing it anyway). This is one of the big issues that needs to be fixed. They need to get back to the essense of Sam and Dean, the smart brothers that they were in the earlier seasons, and make them central to the story.


    I liked Cas's story better in season 6, when he was shown to have purpose in leading the angels, even if his methods were misguided. I guess the problem is that Sam and Dean really can't be a part of that storyline, but having Cas as comic relief isn't the answer either.

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  11. I really wish we could go back to the end of last season and Sam could just finish the trials and be on his merry way to heaven. Poor guy deserves some peace and he isnt going to ever get that while he's alive.

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  12. "Team Free Heaven" Ha! That's funny. It would be great to see some old faces in that context. I'd add Mary and John to that list too.


    The thing about the personal connection to the mytharc is that it really doesn't have be forced. It could be as simple as Sam and Dean are hunters, and there's something really bad happening, and that's really worrying them because they CARE about people, so they're doing everything they can to fight it. Last season, there was the closing the Gates of Hell idea that sounded like it had a lot of potential. That could have meant their retirement. But instead, it turned out into something else and fizzled out.

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  13. I know you don't mean that. You'd be very upset if they killed him off.

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  14. the mention of April was supposed to come first from SAM, and the actors switched it to Dean, which shows to me that a) Buckner-Ross Lemming still don't know the brothers from each other, despite writing execrable episodes since season one, and that b) they've read reviews where fans hated the retconned rouge reapers and particularly that one had a non-con episode with Castiel and wanted to bring attention to it, sort of a slap to the face don't you think? It's never mattered how awful their episodes have been, from Racist Truck to Screw the Pooch, they know their jobs are secure, and they'd rather be writing for another show. And the stealing grace is just a loophole to get Cas to be an angel again, more sloppy writing and retconning.

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  15. I have to agree, none of the characters seem to be themselves anymore, Dean is thrown back to his supposed 'womanising' past, yeah he was all about the gals when he was 26, but he was NEVER a creepy pushy stalker out to put notches on his belt - and while Sam has been possessed by Zeke/Gladdy, he could have had conversations with him in his head, we'd get to know this mysterious character and care what happens to him, because we've been given no reasons to care about the angel characters at all. So many story opportunities just thrown away, as it seems this showrunner and these writers don't want Supernatural as it was, they want to change it, but there have been no changes, just literal re-runs of episodes (Veritas-Vesta) which make us long for the old seasons where the boys had character development and purpose, and I include Castiel in that. I have lost all hope from Carver as a showrunner, and I wish they'd get Ben Edlund back and give it to him.

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  16. You know what? I've always thought that they never followed through on the Cain and Abel story line and it was a real shame. I think that it would have been interesting to follow Sam in heaven exploring it through his eyes and having Dean deal with the consequences of killing his brother. I honestly don't know how it would have played out to get them back together again but I've always wondered about the whole concept.


    I guess that it just wasn't done because they need both brothers together since that is the show but since then they have done "being apart" episodes not for very long but they have.

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  17. Thanks and you're welcome :) I know that I haven't been commenting but it is mainly because I haven't really been watching the show. I absolutely adore your reviews though! I think that they are fantastic!

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  18. It is showing that the writers don't know where there story is going, Purgatory was also a great opportunity wasted, there was no Indiana Jones hunt for tablets, there was a hurry at the end to wrap the mytharc that ended in the fall of angels, but was inconclusive for Sam and Dean and their mission to close the gates of Hell.


    So far this year, we've had two appearances by the fantastic Abbadon, to no real effect, and Crowley is relegated to the dungeon, so the demons haven't figured very much, the angels have milksop leaders that wouldn't be worthy to shine Zach's shoes. With no compelling villians, we don't really care if they kill each other off. We care about Cas, but he's been comic relief or bad-ass with no in between, it's so very regrettable as Misha has been great considering how weak his material has been - and that could have been compelling viewing.


    Of course Jared and Jensen are amazing, and so was Osric Chau, but there is no one at the wheel, writers do their episode of choice, and rely on staffers to check for continuity problems (which has failed) all the writers should go immediately to Supernatural 101 and re-watch all the episodes of every season, and Carver needs to be directly involved in getting this ship on course. Maybe the bad effect of having such a loyal fanbase is that the producers don't think they have to try any more.

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  19. I absolutely dread any episodes that this writing team create. I don't know one person (I'm sure there are some however), that look forward to their episodes. I'd suggest we club together and buy them some Supernatural DVD's for Christmas if I didn't know one of them was married to Bob Singer (which also answers the question as to why they are still allowed to write on the show).

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  20. Good review :)

    I think the tablet plot is done, and there (hopefully) won't be another prophet. In fact trying to decipher the words that's written by Metatron, the big schemer of angel fall, is stupid. They're not reliable.



    Something I noticed, and I think it's really ironic, is the strange similarity between Sam and Gadreel. Gadreel seems to be really trying to do good, he insists he isn't that horrible angel everyone think because frankly it was an unintended mistake, whatever that happened years ago. Even now he's upset by the things he's doing but believes it's for the higher good. A naive angel who's being used by a foul intended force. I kinda pity him, his will to help is real, that's why he answered Dean's plea in the beginning, but he's lost and misguided, and so insecure.


    Lesson from this plot line: Always ask for official ID when facing a new angel, 'cause apparently they can lie and use another name!!!!!!

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  21. But how Metatron stole Cas's grace was a spell, and they killed the last nephilim on Earth last season at any rate. And if he was going to the Anna route he should have at least exploded and been missing in action for awhile while he "pulled some strings" to get his original vessel back.

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  22. Bad Boys and Heaven Can't Wait were decent episodes. Last week was forgettable, minus Jody.


    Which angel canon do you think was shattered in this? Angel canon has been a mess ever since they decided that what Anna said about angels wasn't true (emotionless, sexless). I thought this was relatively mind by rewriting standards.


    I don't think Cas is done with humanity. The powers are probably temporary and he clearly didn't really want to go this route.

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  23. I do feel like there's a plan in place, it's just that they decided to mostly save some of that, like the demons, for the second half of the season, which I think was a mistake.


    Other than I'm No Angel, I think Misha's had stronger material than he's had probably since season 5, although that's not saying much.

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  24. Edlund wrote a lot of the same criticisms that people have about Carver (dumb characters, comic relief Cas, etc.)

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  25. "Dean has been written as "dumb for laughs" so much this season that it's truly insulting to me as a Dean fan."

    I haven't really seen this. He was written as somewhat comedically dumb in one or two episodes (the dog episode, the virgin episode), but most of the time he's still generally smart, no less so than most seasons. The show has always been contradictory about his intelligence and whether to respect it or make fun of it.

    "They sent their token queer representation skipping off to Oz as a friend of Dorothy."

    You make it sound like that was a permanent exit. They've said it likely isn't. Charlie is never around for long, just one or two episodes a season, at most.

    "Castiel is also dumb for laughs; as you put it, he's bumbling. He gets to provide us laughs! Sex! Juvenile comedy! Ineptness at humanity!"



    I think he's had a lot more material than this. He actually wasn't "inept at humanity" at all. He had a job, he was able to pose as a fed, etc. He had his share of serious moments along with the bumbling. People tend to just notice the bumbling more, like when people got upset because, in a mostly serious episode, Cas couldn't work a Slurpee machine while he was on the phone.

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  26. I think the angels stopped being that compelling in season 4 or 5 - they had potential with Naomi and Samandriel, but wasted it. This group needs a few more sympathetic characters.


    Which parts of this episode do you think had dumb Cas moments? I don't really count his comments to Dean and Sam, because they mostly felt like bluster, not what he actually believed. He was intelligent in the other scenes.

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  27. This episode and filmed before any reaction to I'm No Angel, I think.

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  28. Anna said a lot of things that had no basis in angel reality.

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  29. I think sometimes with Cas it's easier to just remember one or two comedy scenes and not the rest. They've stuck those in for a long time now, and while I don't care for them, I think the character is more than that. I didn't see Cas as a "buffoon" in this episode. He was able to pose as a fed, able to manipulate the angels, withstood a great deal of torture. I think that Cas in those early scenes was Cas trying to be his idea of what a human was. It wasn't truly him. Once he went into battle mode, he was deadly serious.


    I agree this episode was mostly just mediocre. Most myth arc episodes are so overstuffed, this tends to happen. The angels are also not interesting enough.


    Anna tore out her grace. Cas' was completely stolen from him, clean and precise. I think that's why she still saw true faces.


    I agree with you about the reapers. Ugh.

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  30. The one difference is when Sam realized what he had done he never denied that he was the horrible person who let Lucifer out. He did everything he could to mitigate the damage he did. Even now, after the cage and paying penance by being trapped with Lucifer, he didn't deny or make excuses when the female hunter blamed him for Lucifer, he just took it.



    I'm also less convinced that Gad is doing this for "the higher good". I don't know if he followed Metatron's instructions because he wants to restore heaven or if he did it because he wants to be the second in command and regain the respect he's lost. I think his motives are more selfish than making things right. I really want to hear the story of how he let the snake into The Garden. Was he naive? Did he succumb to flattery? Did Lucifer tell him he was trying to make peace with God? It's hard to judge his motives when all we have is him saying (like a child) "it wasn't my fault".

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  31. I was referring to how Cas took another angel's grace. An angel's grace is basically their, soul, their personality, their memories, along with their power source and true form. It just shouldn't have been that easy, let alone worked.

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  32. Cas was better in the second half when things got serious, but the first couple of scenes at the crime scene and the bar bugged me. I don't know how else to say it other than at times he's written as the fool, the one everyone's laughing at. He's spent enough time with humans so that he should be able to blend better than that by now,


    I'm not sure I agree with the distinction between Anna and Cas. It would see to me if it's gone, it's gone. It just seems like a bit of canon that was forgotten.

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  33. That's a really interesting point about the similarities of Gadreel's and Sam's histories. It would be great is this was resolved by Sam internally bonding with and counselling Gadreel to head in the right path. I'd love it if Sam gained some influence in the outcome of all of this.

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  34. I think Sam was in denial up until the point that he realized he had been tricked into letting Lucifer out - he was in denial that what he was doing with Ruby was wrong. God's been portrayed as a rigid, unforgiving father figure, so I could see him delivering that type of justice even if the child (or angel) never intended harm.


    I think Gadreel is doing this because he wants to regain the respect (your second option), but is that really selfish or wrong by flawed human standards?

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  35. I don't know if there was anything intended here or not, but wasn't there a lot of protest about Cas hooking up with a woman when the spoilers leaked - a while before the episode aired?

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  36. Most of what happened with Anna was unique to her (she claimed all kinds of things about angels that just weren't true), but I think there's a difference between ripping your grace out and having it done surgically.


    I think Cas does blend into humanity relatively well. He was trustworthy enough to Nora that she wanted him to babysit her child. He fooled the local authorities. We tend to mostly see the goofier moments, I guess because of lazy writing. I think much of the time this side of Cas is just insecurity and fantasy. In Hunter Heroci, he was manic and funny and goofy, then he told Dean he was thinking of killing himself.


    The main time it bothers me is when it's presented as being who he really is, like the end of I'm No Angel.

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  37. Dumb may be the wrong word for this episode, but he was there for comic relief in the first part, and as I said in a different post - he often plays the fool. I had no problem with his portrayal in the second half of the episode.

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  38. I'm not sure if you meant Sam and Cas? As for Sam and Dean, I always read that as personality differences - not a measure of their IQ. Some kids are interested in school, others aren't. Dean was written as idolizing the hunting world, which took place outside of the classroom and on the streets with his father. He couldn't get away from school fast enough, and probably skipped classes and goofed off when he was supposed to be paying attention. Sam was the opposite. He saw school as the path away from hunting so he soaked everything up like a sponge. Roanoke is something you would learn in school. It makes sense that Sam would have learned the history while Dean would not have. FYI, I don't remember ever learning about Roanoke in school either. :-(

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  39. There was protest because a few spoiler articles said April was a love interest for Cas, but the same source had also said Nora would be a love interest for Dean. I think fans were afraid that the episode would be played for laughs (because they assumed April was a character dressed up as a hooker) or they thought that the episode would just be a meaningless hookup because the actress was only scheduled for one episode, and both fears turned out to be correct, actually, it was worse than just played for laughs or meaningless when Cas ended up being tortured and then killed. There was a great opportunity for a Cas becomes human mini-arc, and it was literally thrown away.

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  40. I have no idea why they were given the mid-season finale.

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  41. Edlund can write a script that moves quickly, has great dialogue, and you have a sense that however he writes Cas, Dean and Sam for the comedy eps, he loves them, he's gentle with the mockery, with other writers (and I don't lump Carver in there) the actors have to switch lines because they find them out of character for Sam and Dean. I have little hopes for Carver as showrunner because they load up the first half of the season with filler, pay no attention to the mytharc until the last handful of episodes, when their should have been an entire season of tension racheting up toward the big payoff.

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  42. The belief was, at the beginning of the season, the goal would be Cas striving to get his grace back, now he's back to angel, with little effort, halfway through, and even back in the trenchcoat. I would hope that they had a 'grace rejection' issue, because it was stolen grace, much like organ transplants, but I don't know the writers would be that savvy.

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  43. Yes, but Gadreel seems to be the one who let Lucifer into the Garden. He's denying any culpability of doing anything wrong. If Gad had said what he was doing was wrong before the snake got into the garden it would have been like saying what he was doing with Ruby wasn't wrong. But once Lucifer was out Sam took responsibility. Once Lucifer (or the snake, I'm not 100% sure they are the same thing) got into the garden Gadreel is still saying it wasn't his fault.

    I think Gadreel is doing this because he wants to regain the respect
    (your second option), but is that really selfish or wrong by flawed
    human standards?



    It is when he kills someone to gain respect. Gadreel showed some cognizance that the angels were supposed to bow and take care of humans according to God, so on some level he had to know that he is regaining respect by killing one of God's prophets. Sam knew killing the nurse was wrong, but he didn't do it to regain respect, he did it to stop the Apocalypse. To me KILLING someone so you look better, is deeply selfish and wrong by human standards.

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  44. I don't see how his material is strong, when his human journey was full of platitudes about faith and humanity being hard - this season, Castiel's journey to humanity was much more compelling and full of fear in season five. Cas is doing what he's always done since the end of season five, he serves the plot, he has no consistency in how he behaves, even in a single episode. And its a crying shame.


    As for a plan, there may be rough outlines, but it seems to be made up as it goes, because there has been no eye to pacing the MOTW eps and the mytharc, this was a problem last season as well, the trials were all shoved into the last four eps. Now I have heard that Carver planned this season out as a sort of Game of Thrones concept, with the Winchesters, Cas, being two factions, Abbadon and Crowley being two factions, and the Angels on Earth and Metatron being other factions, all warring against each other.


    But GOT is intricately plotted and paced, they know exactly what to show and when to keep audience excitement high, they have well-written vingettes which show the characters and make us care what happens to them. It helps with GOT that the gentleman who wrote the novels also produces the show. With Carver, he wanted to retcon Supernatural to 'give it more room' but all it's given is confusion, when laws that applied to creatures no longer apply, and not to a good effect. Betcha anything they give a lame reason why a new prophet doesn't appear if Kevin has really died.

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  45. The problem is the protest often veers into "they're taking away the queer narrative!" and less on the misogyny in characterizations like April's. When I see those reactions I can see why the show sees this as just shipping wars, when it shouldn't be that way.

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  46. I can't really say I felt like Edlund loved the characters as much as you do - a good deal of his later writing for Cas was hit and miss, he struggled with Dean, barely wrote for Sam at all. Edlund thought it was hilarious to have Cas as a mental patient, which Misha said he really struggled with.


    I understand what you're saying, but I do think Carver has his strengths as a showrunner. I think he did a lot to stop the damage seasons 5-7 did to Dean's characterization, I think he's moved toward making Cas more than just the joke/burden who makes Dean angry and solves a plot point. I don't think he's really done right by Sam, but sadly that's been true of every showrunner since season 4. There were other things I liked about Carver like bringing in more characters, a little more diversity, etc. that seem to be gone now. But in terms of building blocks, I think they've been put in place. There's a lot that the first half of this season set up, especially with Dean's choices. I just hope it won't be dropped, as it usually is.


    For me the main problem is poor quality of scriptwriters, often assigned to the wrong episodes. That and all the sexism.

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  47. I did mean Dean, yes.


    Roanoke, to me, would be something hunters would have studied - an entire town disappearing? And Dean knew nothing of it.


    Then you have Dean being written as an idiot for not knowing who HP Lovecraft was.


    I think they are always torn between writing Dean as street smart/book dumb, and writing him as just smart without needing to make the distinction. I haven't really seen Dean behaving in a way this season that has been more egregious, in terms of stupidity.


    Sometimes I feel like fans (I don't mean you) who say, "They're writing ____ as so dumb!" are really just saying, "I don't like this story!"


    Dean is a man whose intelligence and instincts were curtailed by his need to have Sam around at all costs. What should send alarm bells wasn't enough anymore, because if he listened or acknowledged this, Sam would have died. Or so he feared.


    To me, "dumb" Dean or "dumb" Sam is something like Dean and Sam leaving Abaddon in a warehouse by herself, because Crowley called them to threaten them.

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  48. Back In Black Tricksteress 95December 8, 2013 at 3:23 AM

    Oh well..I really like the episode, took me off guard alittle bit but great review :)
    There's abit of comedy on the show to lighten the drama, because it is a heavy-mytharc show I think the writers want to balance things up. You already know that I assume, I just wanted to put my perspective on that.
    So it sucked that Kevin died, so from my knowledge he ain't coming back. Anything possible though, but I kinda hope we get him back because if we get another prophet it will be the same proccess. I had mention Chuck may come back but that's unlikely, long time no see.
    I did also say that Kevin may of been kidnapped by the reapers but its really hard to speculate at this point. But what if some-one with simple phsyic powers can read those tablets?. The writers might take a different turn in regards to the tablets, and if it was that case it would be in the Winchesters' circle of people they know.
    Wow that was a twist with 'Zeke'. I knew he was going to the darkside, and teaming up with Metraton didn't surprise, but killing Kevin and so suddenly as well as identity theft was the surprises. So how is Sam going to get out of this? I hope that he fights it and by the looks of a 'helping hand' from Crowley. Things may go so bad for Sam he's either going to lose complete control leaving it up to Dean to manage it if he even can or Sam not going to be the same once he ejects 'Zeke' out. By that I mean he's going to be in another coma or 'Zeke' activated the demon blood in him. Which could lead to Sam taking down Metraton or doing a kind of trial by his demon side of self.
    I also wonder what Dean is going to do in the midst of all of this, he better keep his eye on Crowley because even though he's got a streak of human his personaility and goals won't change much, just different tactics lol.
    I hope Dean and Cas will work things together and be a good team, so things can be done more efficiently, first by fixing Sam and then get the angel back or wiped out.
    This episode was awesome and I absoloutely cannot wait for the next half, but I hate the hellatus! :)

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  49. I thought Cas' journey to humanity was barely shown and wildly uneven in season 5 - lots of comic relief (which Misha said he had a tough time playing), Cas disappearing from the story for a "search for God" that ultimately was just another reason for misery and nothing else, depressed Cas who had little purpose in the narrative, repeatedly believing his only value was to commit suicide, with no one bothering to disagree, or particularly care. He was written as a burden and/or a joke. He was of so little importance to the narrative that supposedly Jensen had to ad-lib a scene of Dean reacting to Cas' death in Swan Song.

    I actually think there's been a fair amount of consistency for Cas this season, outside of I'm No Angel. Cas was hiding behind his idea of what a human was supposed to be. I thought Heaven Can't Wait did more to show who Cas is than any episode in years, aside from The Great Escapist. Cas wanted to just be important in his own world, a little world he'd built for himself. He'd been so beaten down every time he'd tried to be anything else. Then in Holy Terror, he was trying to get more involved, but still as a human, and still hiding behind a persona. Finally he snapped, after another innocent angel was killed, so he's going to be aggressive, do what he thinks he should be doing, but there are still questions, like - is this enough, what will it make him, does he really want to be an angel, or does he still want to be human, was he ever truly human, or just a parody, etc.

    It's far from perfect, but it's a lot better than most of what he's had in the last 3-4 years.

    "With Carver, he wanted to retcon Supernatural to 'give it more room' but all it's given is confusion, when laws that applied to creatures no longer apply, and not to a good effect."



    I think this started long ago, in season 3 or 4. Carver has made some things worse, some things better. If I watched Supernatural for canon I would have stopped in season 5, if not earlier. I don't mean to minimize the show's flaws, or excuse Carver. There's a lot of room for improvement, and some of it is so obvious that it frustrates me. I just don't really care about a rewrite of a rewrite being rewritten again.


    Even GOT is often panned for meandering narratives, questionable characterization, and torture porn. I don't really compare shows because when I do, both shows tend to come up short, although I agree that GOT is a better show than SPN.

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  50. They've never really said it's impossible or difficult, from what I remember. They put their grace into human vessels. Cas is a very powerful vessel (as that body has been rebuilt and revived several times). I do hope they will explore the consequences of him taking another angel's grace, although I'm not holding my breath.

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  51. It's a different trenchcoat. (different design, I mean)


    I don't think it was minimal effort for Cas, at least psychologically. I don't think he wanted to do this, and I think he had some regrets even in the last scene on the phone. We'll see if that's followed up, but I think it will be.


    I just wish they'd never written I'm No Angel. I think it soured a lot of fans on Cas' story as a human.

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  52. I don't think Gadreel knew who Sam and Dean were. He had been locked up since creation so maybe he wasn't in tune with "angel radio" either.

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  53. The episode where Anna gives us her explanations about angels etc 'Heaven and Hell' was written bt Kripke himself so I much prefer to believe his canon and explanation about SPN's angelic lore and grace than the warped ones of Carver and his disrespectful writers..

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  54. I agree.
    To me it seemed that he came at Dean's call by accident and sincerely wanted to help him and Sam, but as the writers never tell us the interesting things, we'll probably never know Gadreel's thoughts on why he began 'deceiving' Dean about Sam's health, and his unwillingness to exit him.

    Did he realise that Sam was a powerful vessel, Lucifer's vessel; and decide to stay despite his earlier intention to help the brothers' out?
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    For me these are the things that matter; the reasons the characters act as they do, and it's this that these writers are sadly lacking in giving us.

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  55. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I don't want them to bring Kevin back unless it's in a way that is good for the overall plot - like a new twist to the rogue reapers story that actually sense. I'm sorry they killed him, but I don't I don't want them to get in the habit of reversing deaths in the next episode.


    Regarding Sam, I really don't want Dean and Cas to fix Sam. This has been the pattern since season 6 - something breaks with Sam and then it's up to Dean and Cas to fix it with no contribution from Sam himself. This has made him a plot device, so it's important that that fix come from Sam, whether that's reactivating the demon blood, an alliance with Gadreel, or something else.


    I'm waiting for Crowley's story to start moving forward. Hopefully he'll be back in the game in the second half.

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  56. I see your point on Gadreel killing, and agree. When I made the comment I was thinking about just about Gadreel being motivated by wanting to regain respect. Not what followed later.

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  57. That's interesting that they switched the lines. I didn't even know that when I wrote this review. It would have been completely OOC for Sam to make a comment about April being hot. We're lucky Jared and Jensen are paying attention anyway.

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  58. Kripke violated his own canon then. Anna said angels didn't have sex, angels didn't feel emotions, etc. That was quickly disproven.

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  59. I always wanted the original storyline where Sam went dark side to save Dean from going to hell in season 3, that would have been much better than some of the crap we've had since.

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  60. I would have loved that too. Going dark-side to save his brother and managing to redeem himself afterward. It would have been so interesting.

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  61. Back In Black Tricksteress 95December 8, 2013 at 11:21 PM

    Agree with Kevin, I want him back but with a bang.
    I ultimately want POV from Sam, I want to see him fighting. He beated the devil surely he can do it?. I think he might need the blood but whatever way it goes I want Sam back!.
    I don't think we need to wait long for Crowley's storyline, he's already abit crafty :)

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  62. It likely would have sidelined Dean.

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  63. I agree, lala2 - Carver wrote the great Changing Channels where Gabriel said "As soon as Dad flipped on the lights, we knew it was going to come down to you (two)." But then in The Great Escapist, Metatron, *who also didn't know the Winchesters*, said "Father left and the Archangels started scheming". But Michael had already 'cast Lucifer into Hell' on 'Dad's orders' and Gabe had run away; I got the impression that Metatron meant all the Archs not just Mike and Rafe. So, I doubt that Gadreel knew the Winchesters either at first and only wanted to offer his help, just as Isleofskye said.

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  64. "we'll probably never know Gadreel's thoughts on why he began 'deceiving' Dean about Sam's health, and his unwillingness to exit him"
    I doubt it either though we may find out more in 910, at least I hope so. Crowley will have fake!Zeke in his "Angel torture/Info Extraction chair" in the ep.
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  65. Maybe maybe not you don't know since it has never happened that way. I think that it would have actually showcased him as the mytharc character/the focus of the story (as several fans are arguing Sam is today). So it would have actually flip-flopped their current existing roles-- aka Sam as the pov character and Dean as the mytharc character. And of course then flip it back again. Which is where I think that they were heading at the end of the first two seasons beginning of the third when the writer's strike happened. Then things just got messy because of the addition of the angels. NOT that I'm saying that the addition of Cass and the other angels wasn't bad but in adding them-- a lot of characterization for the boys got lost in a way. Dean got put permanently in the role of the pov character and Sam is the mytharc character.


    And that is exactly where I think the writing gets it wrong--they can't NOT write Dean as the pov character. Same with Sam as the mytharc character. Oh of course they do "try" and change these roles but it is only superficial and lasts an episode or a few but then back they go. Honestly, I personally feel like these current roles have even become lost and buried under the additional angel storyline that has continued. It has become more than the brother's and their fight against the Supernatural. Rather the story is the fight between hell and heaven and well the brothers are just caught up in it. There is much at stake for the brothers and at the same time NOTHING is at stake for them--I mean why are they even at the center of the fight now?! What are the brothers' personal motive beyond saving the world?


    They've included Sam in the bigger story since he is the mytharc character and in doing so actually really sidelined Dean as the pov character because he is just reacting not being proactive in the bigger mytharc story(okay, I'll give you the whole Ezekiel/Gadreel SL because he was being proactive in saving Sam then but that is just a tiny piece of the mytharc).


    I am just talking right now and there isn't much we can do about it-- but I would have liked to see more of a balance between the boys and their roles. But I honestly don't agree that Dean had to be included in the mytharc from day one like Sam was. I like that he made that choice to become involved unlike Sam who didn't choose to be fed demon blood as a baby therefore automatically making him the mytharc character. BUT I do agree that there could be stories about Dean and the mytharc outside of Sam if that makes sense. Just as I think that there could be pov stories for Sam.

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  66. Maybe we will, but I'm getting more and more disillusioned about how the show is going; the complete disregard for canon, the bad writing, the way we have all this angel stuff taking the place of the brothers' story, and lastly, I'm really bothered by where the Sam story is going.
    It's not even what Sam might say to Dean any more about what he did by allowing Ezekiel in, but we're at the point that we don't even know if Sam is even alive any more.
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    The show could still be so good too, and it's this that annoys me most of all; the fact that these writers can't do the show proud. It's really downheartening.


    When one thinks of how feisty Sam used to be, how the brothers interacted as equals, how they got gratification from saving people; that seems to have been all buried and now we have this sit-com ensemble show that is so static and unsure of what it's doing.
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    How do thew boys live now? Do they still use false credit cards; do they still hustle pool or does the bunker have a built-in ATM machine too.
    Of course now they have a garage full of vintage cars so I suppose they could sell one and get in some cash. I miss the gritty on the road vibe of the show, when the boys had to use their wits just to survive from day to day.
    The bunker IMO has turned from a good idea into a rein on the brothers' adventures.

    X
    I can see this being the template for the spin-off. A sit-com type of show like this. I can also see it being utterly boring and it won't even have Sam and Dean to uplift it!

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  67. Yeah . . . I don't think he was lying about that. Even though he killed Kevin, I'm still not getting an "evil" vibe from him. He seems lost and anxious. He probably believes he's doing what's best. I guess we'll see for sure when the show returns!

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  68. I have no clue where the boys are getting the funds now. The last time (I think) we saw Sam using a fake credit card was in 7.03 (TGND) and in 7.06 (SF) Frank destroyed Sam's laptop and charged the boys $5K for a replacement; in 7.11 Dean said he was 'paying Frank' for his help. But I haven't seen them 'making money' (hustlings cards or pool) in years.

    I realize the following viewpoint doesn't directly answer your reply. Here's the 'thing': MC has been in 4 eps to date and he will be in 910. I read he will be in 911 (5); 911 is allegedly another Dean-heavy/"Sam lite" episode (JP had 23 days off already at #Burcon!) and JA filmed scenes with "Crowley" and "Cain" (Tim Omundsen) per Tim's twitter. Garth returns in 912 and that episode - written by my least favorite Sam writer, Adam Glass, may also be Sam -lite or Sam present but ineffectual. I don't think MC is in 912. One of either 913 or 914 is allegedly Cas -centric. MC is contracted for 14 episodes this season, doesn't necessarily mean he'll get a lot of face time though.

    After 911 this leaves potentially MC in 9 episodes out of 12 remaing in the season. Two already were Cas centric and at least one more Cas centric episode out of the 9 more he's contracted for. That makes - thru 913/914 - THREE Cas-centric and ZERO "Jared" centric ; even if 910 is allededly "Gadreel" centric, 'Jared' has to share lots of screen time with Dean/Cas/Crowley - that's what happens when a lead character has been little more than a plot point for years, especially since S6 .

    I guess what I'm saying is the writers can't juggle three Lead/Regulars at one time. Regardless if fans like Dean's role all the time he is front and center a crude majority of the time and "Jared" and Cas seem to take turns as 'plot points' . When is there going to be Sam centric episode out of "913 -923" if MC can be in approximately 9 more episodes, one of which already is allegedly the third Cas-centric? At this point- I realize this may get me kicked out the Bro and Sam Fan clubs - I'm almost hoping that Gadreel stays in Sam with Sam's consent - at least Gadreel has a potentially interesting storyline; what does 'Sam' have since the writers have (I've read) dropped the "curing demons storyline'?

    "We" know 'Sam' will cry - unless that was actually Gadreel too in 909. But that's it. Will Sam's grief over his own condition and emotional fallout over being used as a puppet - again - to kill a good friend and ally be overshadowed by the talk out of BurCon about Dean's 'going to be a dark place'.

    I do see potential in the Bunker, it's their home and Sam's workplace - they just haven't used the resources effectively much yet to "Fight Evil" themselves. Maybe it's a good thing - as horrible as it sounds - that Kevin's dead. Like Bobby to a degree the boys relied on Kevin a little bit too much and between Kevin and Charlie, 'Stanford Sam' went from Geek Supreme to barely capable of turning on his computer - a vast overstatement, I know, but I cringed when in 904 RT wrote Sam telling Dorothy to 'stay here and help the smartest person in the room' (Charlie).

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  69. Oh, so when Sam killed the nurse trying to stop the Apocalypse that was fine and wonderful because he didn't want to do evil? Because God knows THAT has never been let go for long.


    Look, I understand people want Dean to be totally able to skate on this. He had to save Sam, if he didn't there would be no show. The fact that Sam MAY have been Gadreel for this entire season, doesn't matter one little bit. Zeke was really a good guy, so Sam can't be angry about Dean tricking him into possession, in fact if asked Sam will happily volunteer to help Zeke heal (before we knew Zeke wasn't Zeke) because then NO ONE has the right to be mad at Dean. Now Gadreel has killed Kevin and it's Oh, he's obviously not evil, just confused. He didn't kill Dean and who the hell cares about Kevin now. Gadreel is 1) playing a long game to trap Metatron and Kevin was a necessary causalty. 2) confused and being played by Metatron 3) didn't want to kill Kevin so we should all hold hands and sing Kumbya because Gadreel just needs a little understanding so that Dean can be shown to have done the right thing and if Sam is in ANY WAY annoyed that he got possessed, had his body stolen from him and his body was used to MURDER a good friend well he's just being MEAN TO DEAN again. That awful Sam refusing to see that DEAN IS ALWAYS RIGHT no matter who dies or how much Sam loses.

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  70. As soon as they brought in Bobby's cabin, the whole idea of being on the road seemed to disappear. I prefer the bunker over cabins, mostly because at least there is unexplored potential. Other than Rufus returning from the beyond to tell them to get out of his cabin, there was nothing left to explore there.


    I'm actually somewhat excited about Sam's story, just because they can't avoid writing his POV now. What was done to him has to be addressed.


    I agree with you about the joy of saving humans, etc. Most of that left after season 2. I'd hoped they would bring some of that back with human Cas, and Dean and Sam, but oh well.

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  71. I think Jared also said Sam will contemplate suicide.

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  72. I think Dean became the POV character in season 2 and nothing would have changed that. I do think Sam saving Dean would have been interesting, but I don't think Dean ever would have been given more material. Kripke just had a set goal and it's tough to shake out of, especially after Kripke destroyed much of Sam's characterization in season 4 to the point where there was little to fall back on.

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  73. You do have a fantastic point and I agree with you somewhat. I think that they were working to more of an equal balance because we did see Sam met Ruby and finding out about his mother's friends and family who were killed in some scenes in S3. It just might have been a red herring and they wouldn't have ended up making Sam the POV character for those few episodes since like you said, Dean most definitely became that character in S2 and that was the end of that.


    I do have to say that I completely agree about you and Sam's characterization in season 4. For me personally, that season established him as being the actual mytharc or the instrument by which the mytharc is told. Until S4, sure Sam was the character through which we were shown the mytharc but he was still a character who reacted and had his own choices to a certain degree. Afterwards, I feel like his characterization went out the window completely. The sad thing is that I don't think that they did Dean justice either :(

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  74. "because they can't avoid writing his POV now"


    Oh, yes they can. I thought that was true in the first half of season 6. There were so many mysteries about Sam's soullessness, and I couldn't wait till he got his soul back so that we would learn more about what happened to him after Lucifer possessed him, how and why he became soulless, what he did when he was soulless, and how he felt about all of that now - but it didn't happen. When season 7 started, I thought for sure this was the time they were finally going to be explore Sam's time in Hell. How could they not, with all of the build up about how damaging Sam's memories would be? But all we got was a few hallucinations - no memories, reflection, or insight into the emotional aspect, or lingering effect after Cas removed the hallucinations. I thought after the demon blood was brought up at the end of season 8, we might get more exploration of Sam's history with demons, how he feels about what happened with the trials since it was aborted, but we didn't.


    Avoiding telling Sam's POV in the second half is as simple as filling up all of the episodes with stories about Charlie, Garth, Cas and the angels, Dean and Abaddon, etc., - and just not addressing it. As for the reports of Sam being suicidal - that might boil down to a line or two seen from Dean's perspective, with a focus on how that makes Dean feel.


    Sorry, showing my jaded side again.

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  75. In season seven, the brothers were plenty on the road, they had different cars from the Impala but they definitely got around.
    The cabin was hardly used.

    Honestly at this point I prefer the old cabin. I like when my heroes are down and out and yet still manage to beat the bad guys.
    With the bunker they have gone a step up in the world, and are no longer the poor homeless hunters, which was part of their charm.

    Then the bunker, as one poster said, has become a Mary-Sue. Whenever the brothers need something, Hola! a new room gets discovered; and would you believe, it contains exactly what they need.
    It's all been dumbed down, made too easy, due to the lazy writing from people who don't seem to be invested in the show other than as a well-paid writing job.
    As for Sam, if they haven't bothered with him up until now, I don't believe they will bother themselves too much in the future either.

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  76. Your answer illustrates my own forebodings about the show and about Sam in particular. There seems to be no space for him now between Dean's dark place, Gadreel/ Metatron's little story-arc and the angel stuff.
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    I've said it a hundred times, and I still can't understand why Sam gets pushed to the side. There is ample space to give him and Dean equal importance; all they have to do is eliminated some of the useless filler we get.
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    As you indicate, just about everything has been stripped from the character of Sam; his demon blood/ boy king arc; his hell time with Lucifer; his ability to research and come up with answers; his Stanford IQ, etc.
    Your example of Charlie being elevated to most intelligent in the room is spot-on. Talk about poor Sam having to stab himself in the heart to boost up Robbie Thomson's favourite character.
    It's all so disrespectful to the Sam.

    I'm convinced even the Gadreel story will peter out unless it is closely connected to the angel arc of getting them back to heaven.

    If it is solely about Sam/Gadreel then it is destined to die a quick death, probably by Dean stabbing Sam with an angel sword to get rid of Gad.

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  77. I really don't see where you're coming from here, and I 'm not being sarcastic or anything.
    Both brothers have done things that they shouldn't have, at times opting for the most extreme measures to save each other.
    Neither is lucid when it concerns their brother's well-being, and I'm quite sure that if the tables had been reversed and Dean had been the one needing saved, Sam would have done exactly the same thing to keep his brother alive.

    Do you remember how desperate Sam was in Mystery Spot. He became obsessed in his search for Dean and was ready to kill/did kill Bobby to get him back.
    He was even willing to turn Dean into a walking zombie using Doc Benton's immortality recipe to keep him from going to hell; something pretty radical for Sam.
    Then In IKWYDLS Sam was in a terrible state, ready and willing to go to Hell in Dean's place.
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    Truth is both are willing to do anything to keep the other alive; that's why the 'not-looking in season eight was so ooc for Sam.
    Apart from that, Sam certainly can't be happy to know that his body has been possessed, nor that his body killed Kevin, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Dean loves his brother so much that he can't let him go, just as Sam loves Dean so much that he can't let go either. (Except for douchy season 8, of course. )

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  78. Thanks for the reminder, Peter :)

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  79. Excuse the length in advance:

    Woah, Percysowner, Fellow Sam Fan here ;). Lala2 and I were discussing Gadreel’s possible reasoning process when he followed Metatron’s loyalty test. I also detest the general, extreme online viewpoint that “Dean is always right in his actions because his intentions are 100% selfless” BS.
    I DO NOT want Dean to skate on anything he did – to Sam – the 'tricksy' non- con possession, the constant lies – and lying to Cas by following fake!Zeke’s directive to make Cas leave the Bunker or he had to leave himself while Sam was still critically injured. I want Dean’s “feet held to fire” for a
    change.


    STORYWISE, that appears likely to happen; I’m sure Dean will do that to himself, as “Dean’s going to be in a dark place” came out of BurCon along with “Sam will be suicidal” (Thanks for the reminder, Peter J4). But
    can the writers do a decent job of treating Sam’s post possession feelings and issues with Dean AND strike some sense of balance with the “Dean in a dark place”? That’s my primary concern because in the past – particularly since S6, the writers have only allowed Sam to be other than a “Hollow Man” emotion –wise - no more than several times a year while the writers have far less problem with writing Dean display an array of emotions (even Dean giving his "Game Face" is displaying emotion)

    I’m worried that because Jared’s statement at BurCon that “Sam’s
    been missing from the narrative … but that’s going to change” was followed several weeks later by JP having another day off with photos of him, Gen and friends at a Pearl Jam concert. (Not that I have any objections to him having time off while JA’s presumably working but a Fan’s VIP meeting notes said JP would be working more with almost nil days off in the near future).
    I’m worried because JP’s honest statements don’t always jive with what is seen on screen; I’m worried that Sam will get two or less episodes to express his issues with Dean and Dean may get the rest of the season to be his “dark place”. Because that’s what’s happened historically and because many, many online fans are howling that the “sick!Sam” storyline be over with ASAP and that Sam gets very little time to process the sheer magnitude of what Dean did to him (BECAUSE DEAN HAD GOOD INTENTIONS!) – after all Sam IS alive instead of dead - and because many online fan have had their ‘Defense of Dean’ strategies lined up since the premiere. Yeah, Gad was able to easily kill Kevin because of Dean's lies and it sucks but let's just add to Dean's guilt pile (I'm just being sarcastic, Percysowner, channeling extreme fan defenses.)

    I’ll just add a few things about THE NURSE: it pains me, too, that “TN” keeps coming up and “Sam almost killed Dean” (both S4) keeps coming up, but I rarely saw any discussion about the X number of demons Dean tortured and killed in 6.21 Let it Bleed. So thinking that you will be saving the wholeworld is trounced by thinking that you can save two people as a justification for multiple possessed people’s murders? Dean really didn’t save Lisa, the demon mortally wounded her and she lingered near death – Cas saved her; he and Sam only got Ben clear away and what happened to L&B visibly added to Dean’s guilt pile. Fans cry but “It’s ‘in
    character’ for Dean to try any means to save the ones he loves; his intentions were good and selfless”. I WISH that ‘defense’ would equally apply to Sam in some of theonline fandom but we know it doesn’t.

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  80. I admit my reaction about Sam and the nurse is probably extreme, but it does drive me crazy that years after the fact that STILL get brought up as to why Sam is not likeable and is a bad person. So when I read Gadreel killed Kevin, but that doesn't make him evil, it just sets me off. I went into it in detail before, so I won't repeat that.


    I'm also being bothered by the people who tell me that Sam won't feel guilty about killing Kevin. Why should he. It wasn't his fault. Since very often these are the same people who are SO SYMPATHETIC to Dean feeling guilty about anything and everything, it drives me nuts. Sam gets very little if any acknowledgement that he is human and feels emotional pain, while Dean is patted on the head repeatedly. I'm very concerned that Gadreel having expressed anger at Dean and having hit him will allow writers and fans alike to state that Sam got it out of his system and now he just needs to stop being a bitch and forgive Dean. But we will have to wait to see how that plays out.

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  81. “As for Sam, if they haven't bothered with him up until now, I don't believe they will bother themselves too much in the future either.”

    While I still prefer the bunker as ‘home base’ to their constantly being on the road, I agree that – to date – they have wasted the Bunker’s potential except for having Kevin nearly useless in translating the angel tablet – which btw he didn’t seem to have any problem with when he rapidly skimmed it for key words “Nephilim” and “Cupid’s Bow” in
    Sacrifice - in a not so safe place.

    Another sad, "Sam storyline" fact – in 904 Sam thinks he’s found a way to keep Cas safe from angels but can’t figure how to adapt the “Computer”, stored in a Another Huge Room which he had just found (eyeroll) to do the task – enter Charlie, to (blah blah blah) – but tracking angels to help Cas never comes up again because the boys and Charlie have to deal with the Wicked Witch … and then Cas gets some mojo back in 909 anyway – making Sam’s great idea WORTHLESS

    ITA – in 904 new rooms kept showing up like Clowns piling out of a Volkswagen. C’mon – does show seriously want us to believe that the boys didn’t stumble across that ginormous garage in the Bunker until Charlie (and Dorothy - cool character, I approve, RT!) showed up? Where is it, in another dimension?

    I know I keep coming back to this but the bugging the heck out of me - the boys made a biggish deal about keeping Crowley alive so he’d give him
    names of demon-possessed people – so they (or Sam) could “cure” them and now they’ve evidently dropped plans for this storyline? Why? Outside of getting Gadreel out of Sam, the show hasn’t let Sam ‘kill’ an angel yet (not that killing angels is a good thing because it kills the human vessel) but Dean kills them on a pretty regular basis. Why would the show allow possessed people who could be 'cured' continue to be possessed?

    As you and Chris said Garth is coming back, the GF’s are back, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Charlie again this season … Dean is going to get scenes with Cain in Sam-lite 911 and I’ve already noted the numerous ‘Cas’ eps coming up and they are nearly all Sam-lighter than Dean. A lot of fans are rootjng for more 'AbbadDean' screen time so chances are Sam won’t have substantial scenes with her and even Crowley will allegedly be with Dean in 9.11 so is Sam’s very scant greater connection to Crowley going to be severed, too? I know JA has voiced concerns that Dean’s storylines are dropped but - 'newsflash' - so are lots of Jared/Sam’s!

    What’s Sam going to do for the rest of the season? Nearly fade into the background as in S6 post – re-souling? Many fans are clamoring for the latest variation of “What’s wrong with Sam?” to be over and done with ASAP. And they will likely get their wish because over the years the writers have never let Sam be angry or emotionally distraught at anything Dean has done to him – even with the best of intentions - for more than a one episode separation, possibly two this season. I would be pleasantly astounded if Sam is allowed to show any moodiness around Dean for remainder of the season while Dean is frequently ‘allowed’ to be at least minimally annoyed with Sam over more than several episodes.

    Jared said at Burcon that he’s aware that “Sam has been missing from narrative so far” (not an exact quote) “but that will change”. I hope so, because Sam has been all but invisible so far (and I really, really liked Ezekiel/Gadreel!Sam but if the ‘angel’s removed’ I want ‘him’ replaced by a full POV Sam.)

    In the 910 promo Dean IS carrying what appears to be an Angel Sword; perhaps he intends to severely wound or even kill Gadreel before Gad can hurt/kill another target – no doubt this "theoretical intent" will be added to Dean’s guilt pile.

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  82. I have to say when I see this laid out this way it's very depressing. Sam has had almost no part in this season. Unfortunately I can see where what with Cas's trying to figure out his angelhood again and Dean going dark, and trying to explain Gadreel and some focus on what the heck Metatron is planning AND the angel wars between Malachi and Bartholomew I don't know how they are going to squeeze Sam in, at least as Sam. I suppose I should watch this expecting nothing for Sam and then if we get anything I can be presently surprised.

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  83. Yeah, Kripke violated a lot of his own canon.

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  84. You're right, sadly. I have all Cas role ideas, Dean/Cain/Crowley and Abaddon ideas, theories about Gadreel (and Cas?) rallying the neutral angels and kicking Metatron's hineyrumpus - this assumes Gad is in a new vessel, possibly his original host (Tahmoh). But nothing for Sam. We know Garth will be back in another Adam Glass episode but he rarely writes as both capable and heroic and the GF's are supposed to be back. No title that we have yet cries 'Sam centric'. I think 914 "Old Friends" is allegedly 'Cas centric'.I just don't know .. if Sam's suicidal it may last anywhere from a portion of an episode to the rest of the season, sort of like Dean's 'emotional arc' (apathy, slightly suicidal. alcoholic) lasted pretty much all S7.

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  85. "I'm also being bothered by the people who tell me that Sam won't feel guilty about killing Kevin. Why should he. It wasn't his fault. Since very often these are the same people who are SO SYMPATHETIC to Dean feeling guilty about anything and everything, it drives me nuts."
    Yeah, I've now read that prevailing attitude on about several forums and several 'roundtable discussions' and I'm virtually "head-desking". As I said and several other posters and you have said at best "Fans are just tired of what's wrong with Sam again storylines" and want Sam to get instafixed (by Cas) emotionally as well as physically and at worst the haters want what you said (stop being a bitch and be grateful to The Dean.). "Fans" want to get to emotionally dark and guilty Dean and not have to hear more Sam moping about being alive.

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  86. likely a throw away line right after finding out the truth, I would be shocked if they spend any time on that storyline/line of thought at all.

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  87. Grace has only ever been described as a form of energy, not personality, or "soul." It's just the mini nuclear reactor that gives them their power.

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  88. Or the whole familiar thing, people didn't buy that he didn't know what a familiar was, despite never encountering one. That pushed credibility, but Dean not knowing that vampire exist, even though they were endangered in season 1, you would think John would have told him about them.

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  89. Just curious if anyone agrees with me here.
    My major, major issue with Supernatural in recent years has been very simple: pace. I don't care if there are filler or no filler episodes, or if the characters are a little off in a few episodes, or if they kill off a main character. What really needs to happen with a mythology show like this is momentum. What made Supernatural pre-6 amazing was that each season kept moving towards a common goal. Season one flowed into season two, which then got even more ramped up in season three. Season four was near perfection, with filler episodes that tied directly into the mythology and really moved the story forward. Season six worked for me (despite most people hating on it) because it had a purpose... it built every episode in order to reach the awesome twists and final goal. Season seven was where things went wrong, since each season now feels like they are starting the show from scratch, with little progress or momentum. I feel like we are still stuck somewhere in season seven and that we never really escaped the beginning of season seven (crowley is still running around with no purpose, there are chaotic angels everywhere with no goals, sam and dean don't even know who they are anymore, castiel is a lost soul, and there are no lovable supporting characters left alive). Just build a damned storyline immediately, and then follow it through by using each episode to reach a goal, planning for where the season finale should end BEFORE you get to the 20th episode of the season.

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  90. For me it's the angel story-line that's dragging everything down.
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    What does it boil down to essentially?
    Factions of angels all fighting with each other, but we don't exactly know why, other than one faction wants to prevale over the other. I see no strategy in their fighting at all.

    They don't care who and how many humans/souls they destroy while doing so.
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    Metatron has supposedly closed heaven,then how does HE get in and out. The last time we saw him he was in heaven. Does he have a secret passage or something?
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    Castiel is still far too dumb when compared to any one of the other angels, and that makes for bad drama, because we know before hand that he is going to be naive each time he appears on the screen, and that has just gotten old.

    Castiel takes back the grace of another angel as easy as pie. What the heck.Why didn't he do it earlier if it was possible?


    Then I can't believe that too many viewers are that invested in the angel story anyway, because honestly how can anyone root for them; they are all despicable. I find demons far more interesting and sympathetic.

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    Actually the only angel I felt sorry for was Gadreel; I know he killed Kevin but it's no worse than what Castiel or the other angels have done.

    Never was a fan of Kevin anyway, and at this point he had nothing more to add to the story.
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    Like many others, I'm sad that we haven't had more Sam pov. It would have been far more interesting than watching angels taking each other out. It's something that has been lacking for a long time now and it's not fair to the character.
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    I'm sorry too that the writers have felt it necessary to separate the brothers again, for everything is so much better when they are on-screen together.

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  91. Great review Chris. Yes, what about the humans? I think this is why Supernatural has been decreasingly less relatable for me for the past few seasons, we're talking about hell and heaven and foes that the boys can't beat on their own. Give me a salt and burn over the apocalypse any day. So disappointed that Cas got back his powers (it IS canon shattering, I'm sorry, it just is). I really wanted him to stay him human. Misha has shined with Cas's exploration of humanity, best thing about the season to be honest (not really the written material but the life Misha breathed into it). Not to mention I don't care for the Supernatural's slant on religion, whether it be judeo-christian or "pagan" at all.

    I didn't watch the three episodes that I missed before this one, but when I heard that Kevin got ganked and that my theory about Ezekiel was right and that Metatron reared his head again, I knew I needed to watch, it felt like I hadn't missed anything really important (besides Sheriff Jody Mills, totally going to watch that one). I can't believe they let my least favorite writing duo got to write a mid-season finale and then to top that off, they kill Kevin off in a very callous manner. And for the love of goodness, can Metatron get some new schtick. I miss my Sammy so freaking much. Don't get me wrong, I love that Jensen finally put his foot down and got Dean away from being Chef Boyardee/Pep talk coach but all "Sam" has done this season for the most part is smile, get lied to, knocked out and violated.


    I think we will get a new prophet, maybe even Chuck. The only thing this Ezekiel not being who he he said he was would have paid off for me would have been if Metatron said the name Gabriel. It is interesting that they chose Gadriel though, Sam just seems to draw the "misunderstood" angels. I guess it's a good parallel for Sam is the nicest thing I can say about this episode besides Jensen delivered with the one perfect tear,

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