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Awesome episode, heavy hearted at that
ReplyDeleteSee? NOW Regina has earned her redemption! Isn't this much more satisfying than people giving it to her every time she did so much as the smallest good thing?
ReplyDeleteRegina Fans: She decided not to horribly murder someone this episode! Redeemed! All of her past actions no longer matter because she did ONE nice thing in the middle of all the bad things she keeps doing!
Those fans were annoying. But this time, she actually did something completely selfless because she wanted both Emma and Henry to be happy. Now you see, THIS is what redemption is. Not those small, painfully insignificant things that people say redeemed her a long time ago. THIS is what it really is, and I would like people to take note. Redemption isn't something you get for trying. You have to truly want it for yourself, even if it means doing something that will end up hurting you in the end.
I'm going to give Regina less of a hard time from now on because she's earned it. She didn't deserve it before. She does now.
As for Captain Swan, DAMN that had to hurt.
OMG! One of THE BEST EPISODES of ONCE EVER! I'm still sobbing!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd hell's ya to OZ mythos come March!
Knew it would be Hook at the door.
ReplyDeleteIt's going to be a long 3 months.
Whoa! Figured the curse would go into effect, but didn't expect the one year time jump. And I don't ship Swan Queen, but damn, there was a lot of it this episode.
ReplyDeleteI don't get why Neal would be affected by the new curse - he wasn't part of the original one. And how did Hook remember? LOL at him kissing Emma and getting kicked for it.
Aw, I bet that was Ginny's real bump during the flashbacks. She's not that big so not sure why they're hiding her in giant-ass coats yet.
Ugh at the Blue Fairy coming back to life. Really?
Hate we have to wait until March, but great episode!
You and my Mom! :)
ReplyDeleteThat was awesome! Wish I didn't have to wait til March!
ReplyDeleteI believe this curse has all the characters go back to where they were born (except Emma -"savior")...So Neal/Bae was born in FTL, hence he goes back there!
ReplyDeleteSome of us didn't really want her to be redeemed. There is a possibility that what is in the past is the past and you can only focus on the future. I wouldn't really call this being redemption. However you do make an argument for the way in which this show has taken direction.
ReplyDeleteRumpelstiltskin </3
ReplyDeleteRumpelstiltskin :(
ReplyDeletePERFECT!AWESOME!WONDERFULL!
ReplyDeleteThat was a very awesome episode! one of the best in the series, in my opinion!
ReplyDeleteso Rumple got transported to...Oz?
so the only people who don't remember anything is Emma and Henry right? Everyone else remembers everything, including their time in Storybrooke? I know that Hook and Neal would remember everything because they were shielded from the curse before, but what about everyone else?
Also, what happened to Pinochio, he escaped the original curse as well as Emma, shouldn't he be travelling with Emma and Henry to his 'new life' also?
Wonder how Hook is going to get Emma to remember who she really is? Maybe he's going to say he's Neal's friend or something? After all, Neal is in Emma's memories, right?
he is not dead..
ReplyDeleteI am not as thrilled about this episode as everyone else is but it was decent and everyone did a fantastic job in their acting. I am however slightly disappointed in the direction this show has taken. And I am also not terribly thrilled about the Oz introduction but I may change my tune after I see it. I am more thrilled to see how everyone will handle themselves back in the Enchanted Forest.
ReplyDeleteWE HAVE TO GO BACK,KATE! WE HAVE TO GO BAAAAAAACK!
ReplyDeleteDid I call it or what?:P
Freaking brilliant episode, worthy of being a SEASON finale, not just mid-season one.
This is going to b e quite a long wait.
Whoa,wth just happend? I had tears in my eyes when they all said goodbye each other...
ReplyDeleteAnd that ending...lol...i knew as that as soon as it knocked at the door that it is Hook!!
It's a shame she can't remember him now.XD
But it makes sense to me.(that he kissed her) Bc
True Love's kiss requires magic, and even in the case he is her TL, our land is a land without magic.
But I do
think they are in love, though.
There seems to be a stronger connection
between her and Killian than her and Neal, at least from my point of
view. I hope so, at least; he'll need it and more to break through the
sheer mental stubbornness of Emma Swan.
I ADORED the episode and i can't believe we have to wait until March for the next episode and to see what Hook/Killian is going to have to do to convince the Swans! X) Argh!!
Pinocchio was born in Fairytale land, so no, he wouldn't be with Emma and Henry, he'd be more in the same boat as Hook and Neal.
ReplyDelete..and me!! :)
ReplyDeleteYeah, no way he's not dead, despite the massive overreaction I'm currently seeing.
ReplyDeleteSnow says "We're back" in the promo. I believe everyone but Emma and Henry remember Storybrooke, which explains how Hook remembers.
ReplyDeleteRegina explained that the reason Emma is not traveling back to EF is because she is the Savior, so the rules do not necessarily apply to her.
ReplyDeleteI really loved this episode and it has been a long time since I thought that about an OUAT episode. It felt very right emotionaly and had wonderful payoff for longstanding storylines. Rumple sacrificing himself to defeat Pan and Regina doing something completely selfless at last to save everybody from the new curse and to give Emma and Henry a happy life was great.
ReplyDeleteRemember that true loves kiss would only work if Emma remembered her true love, like snow and charming remember he planted one on her after she forgot who he was and if I recall correct snow did a similar thing to charming that Emma did to Hook
ReplyDeleteHow can you be sure?
ReplyDeleteWhat had to hurt for Captain Swan fans?
ReplyDeleteThe kiss didn't work? No True Love? Uhm, our land is a land without magic! So it doesn't work even it is TL.
;)
I think you are right Misses. They have a connection. He is bad boy but yet he is loyal. I bet he is passionate. LOL
ReplyDeleteAnd "Because You Left" parallels! :D
ReplyDeleteBEN: [Sighs] On the Island... in the Orchid station, below the greenhouse. I told him I was sorry for making his life so miserable, and then he left. So obviously John's visit to you made an impression. What did he say to make you such a believer?
JACK: Sawyer, Juliet, everyone from the boat... and everyone we left behind--John said that they'd die, too, if I didn't come back.
Is he loyal, because it looks like he and Tink also have a thing!?
ReplyDeleteI didn't hear it the first time I watched the promo so yup, that makes sense!
ReplyDeletelol...haha,my feelings are so mixed up bc of the episode and now you bet that i could be passionate....uhm,i think i'll just jump into my tv screen and try that out. XD
ReplyDeleteJust realised something... what about Cinderella's daughter? She was born in Storybrooke, hence why would she go back to the Enchanted Forest?
ReplyDelete..idk,but yes you could be right. It looked like there was something back when Hook was in Neverland.
ReplyDeleteThat is a really good question.
ReplyDeleteYes,you're right....didn't she kick him,too?
ReplyDeleteSo was I the only one that though Rumple was going to prove he wasn't a coward by cutting off his arm so he could get magic back??? :)
ReplyDeleteOverall great episode. One of the best this season.
ReplyDeleteMy only issue is why did Neal have to stay? He was long gone b4 the curse was created and lived outside. I know Regina explained it but it really doesnt make since that he couldnt stay with Emma and Henry.
So glad for the time jump because Jared Gilmore cant pass off as 10 or 11 anymore.
I loved every single flashback. Snow giving Henry the book. Henry noticing that people are not aging around him in curse Storybrooke. The fake memory Emma was given. Every single small flashback connected with this episode.
So glad Tink got her wings back. Blue isn't dead which mean there is a chance he's alive in Neverland.
I'm back on team SwanFire. Emma still loves him and still was thinking about even a year later. True Love kiss didnt work on Emma. sorry Hook
Loved the promo. March 9th just 12 weeks away. time to do some reading
I feel like they're just gonna pretend that Granny, Archie, Blue, Whale, and the Dwarfs are the only people to have every existed in Storybrooke. #eyeroll
ReplyDeleteTrue Loves kiss didn't work bc even if they are each other TL our land is a land without magic + Emma doesn't remember Hook. (Someone here pointed out that one to me,too bc remember back then when Snow didn't remember Charming..she kicked him when he kissed her.)
ReplyDelete..lol..can i just say that even if i have never watched it i feel LOST ! XD (..but i think i'll check it out when i have time)
ReplyDeleteThey KILLED him if it turns out his dead the show is dead to me i cant help it him and belle are the reason i even watch it
ReplyDeleteSeemed a lot like a series finale near the end. I am disappointed that they didn't let Emma tell her parents that she loved them or for them to say it to her. She looked like she wanted to when Snow gave her a kiss to her forehead.
ReplyDeleteThink his time as the Dark One is over, but he will somehow reappear and possibly still have magic.
ReplyDeletetrue but the song that was played at the end pf the episode , Charley's Girl by Velvet Underground (Lou Reed) was played in the season opener of season 2. when Neal was in NY. that's Neal song. Emma still has Neal on her mind her ture love.
ReplyDeleteAND THEN he would be just like Hook! That would almost be revenge ,, :) :) :)
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteOz famous witch finally :3
ReplyDeleteConsidering what they said about true love being the most powerful magic of all, able to transcend realms, if it really was true love between them then it should have worked to restore her memories, but it didn't.
ReplyDeleteit does feel like it but its going to be a long 3 months
ReplyDeleteStupid writers... if the curse would make Emma and Henry forget all their postcurse lives, and Regina had to give them fake memories, then how come everyone else remembers theirs? Silly. Also, I hope they stop calling Snow "mary margaret" from now on.
ReplyDeleteGREAT acting all around. I've said it before, but it needs to be said again - the cast is what makes the show work. The premise and mode of storytelling may have been what drew me to the show in the first place, but they're not what keeps me coming back.
ReplyDelete- I don't believe for a second that Pan is gone, let alone Rumple.
- The goodbye scene would have been a lot more intense & emotional if OUAT was the kind of show to take the risk of completely ending core character relationships and starting anew (The Good Wife is that kind of show, but not OUAT). Still, it showed quite a bit of character development for a change, and that makes it my favourite scene from the entire episode.
- I'm starting to think that there should be fewer flashbacks to the already established stories and motivations of the core characters. Not only is it confusing the timeline, it creates too many inconsistencies in character behaviour.
- I really am looking forward to the second half of the season, though. Especially if it means that Regina/Snow/Charming/Neal/Hook/Tinkerbell are together (?). I'm curious about the dynamics between all of them.
Now they will remember who they are in Storybrooke but Emma and Henry won't, that's exactly the oposite of the first season!! What will make them believe so fast? Hook! He will show her Neal's apartament and probably a lot more proves (that we know Emma need)... Well, I didn't know it was possible but this show got even more complicated!!!!! Loved it!;)
ReplyDeleteSure looked like he was going to cut his hand off. Guess when he started to do that he realized that he still didn't have his shadow and called for it to come from Neverland and sent it back for the dagger.
ReplyDeleteWe can say what we want about Once but it does ALWAYS deliver more than amazing (mid) season finale! !!! And seriously after this ep I don't know how to not ship Swanqueen.... their scenes are always so beautiful and the goodbye one ....arg .... it was perfect!
ReplyDeleteThe episode before this they had a moment too. Plus this episode made parallels between Tink and Emma capturing the shadow and Tinks fait being restored, which resulted in saving Mother Superior/Blue!
ReplyDeleteI agree! I was expecting the same!
ReplyDeleteAmazing ep that for me really delivererd the goods: closing not only the Pan storyline and essentially the show storyline (to this point) and gave us an intriguing set up for the next (fairy)tale to come.... well written and bittersweet with the sacrifices that Rumple and Regina made for the greater good and getting some measure of redemption.... this will definitely be rewatched during the hiatus... well done!
ReplyDeleteGood episode but there is still one glaring plothole that is bugging me. If Regina has the power to impart memories on people, instead of giving memories of Emma and Henry being together since the beginning, why not give them memories of a magical place called Storybrooke or Bookland or something of the sort where all the same adventures happened? The real Storybrooke is gone but you can still have memories of a place similar. Something that has her remembering she has powers and family.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention that "the curse is coming from all sides" doesn't coincide with the very edge of town being curse free :P
Again, good episode though :D
Someone please explain Rumple's death scene to me, I didn't understand any of that. Didn't understand anything about the ending either. Anything. The whole episode was more confusing to me than the Lost series finale. Like, seriously, what just happened?
ReplyDeleteΟΚ where the hell is Rumpelstiltskin ? Cause he can't be dead. No way!
ReplyDeleteLost series finale was no confused...............................
ReplyDeleteThis episode was so emotional. Can't wait for March! The wicked witch is coming!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI think because she can only give memories that would relate to what Emma and Henry had lost in relation to what a reality without any of their existences would be in 'truth'. -But that doesn't mean their new memories won't reflect what they went through, as it did in the last curse. So they might have memories with "other" people that reflect their real memories in some way....
ReplyDeleteoh,i think i missed that one. Thanks,for pointing it out. :)
ReplyDeleteAnd i guess we'll see who her TL is.
Yes,i admit that i like Hook although i'm also ok if Emma's TL is Neal. It doesn't that much as long as she's happy..also it's just a show. :)
"- I'm starting to think that there should be fewer flashbacks to the already established stories and motivations of the core characters. Not only is it confusing the timeline, it creates too many inconsistencies in character behaviour."
ReplyDeleteI think a recant interview said something about a change in format in terms of how we will being viewing time when we return. -So maybe we won't have FTL flashbacks, but Storybrooke flashbacks along with New York flash sideways, and with however they are going to introduce the OZ stuff?????
Because it's a juxtaposition. Rumple and Regina are "undoing" what they have done not re-doing what they have done...
ReplyDeleteNope,hehe don't worry. At first i thought so,too. :)
ReplyDeleteYes,but remember back when Snow forgot about Charming her TL and he kissed her bc he had the hope that it would restore her memories and she kicked him for it?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure exactly. I don't think Rumple is dead, especially because I think they intentionally didn't explain it to us.
ReplyDeleteSomehow he was able to summon his shadow and get his dagger. Then apparently by stabbing his father and holding him close there seemed to be "transference" in that perhaps his father's life force became his own (blood relation). Pan's magic was adsorb and then it appears Rumpled was to (into the sword) --I'm thinking this is like the Swan Implosion on LOST and that they will just end up traveling through space time...perhaps somewhere else. -But if that's the case, then maybe Rumple isn't effected by the new curse and he will be the one to make Emma remember?
I guess it's because giving Emma and Henry faking memories about Storybrooke would not make them totally happy, remembering what they have been through there would make them miss a lot of things and as that would be no hope for them to get all back that would not be a happy ending, because all the happy endings starts with hope! Regina wanted Henry to have a happy ending and she was sure she would never see him again:( But I really wanted them to remember as well ,it would make everything easier...because we know they will be reunited!
ReplyDeleteHa! If you ever do, you'll have to tell me how you like it! :)
ReplyDeleteGood point!! Now i'm really looking forward to seeing the second half of the season bc it would be great if they do some flashbacks which include their new 'false' memories' that reflect their real one's.....or their real memories appear in short flashbacks when something similar happens that they have experienced before.
ReplyDeleteUhm,does that makes sense? You know english isn't my first language...that's why i ask...and bc it's late.^^ XD
You made perfect sense! Exactly what I am thinking :)
ReplyDeleteok! word! :) (...haha,lol if someone asks me what i'll decide to do in the new year...i just say LOST XD )
ReplyDeleteYeah they have so many characters they end up ignoring most of them after a while. This is the thing I don't like about this show.
ReplyDelete"completely ending core character relationships and starting anew" I hated with a passion when this was done on Fringe so I am really glad OUAT isn't that kind of show (I agree with you there)
ReplyDeleteI also mostly don't like the flashbacks or think they are obsolete lately, but I liked them in this episode. I felt they helped establish the emotional flow of the episode nicely.
Thanks! :)
ReplyDeleteI was thinking more along the lines of that knee she quickly planted between his legs.
ReplyDeleteOMG! I'm sobbing! NO WAY can Rumple be dead! D:
ReplyDeleteReally good episode though, I'm not gonna be able to wait til March...
But that wasn't a curse, it was a potion crafted to specifically forget Charming. This is a curse on Emma and Henry to forget everything that happened in Storybrooke, the Enchanted Forest (for Emma), the sleeping curse (for Henry), and Neverland, as well as forgetting everyone, including her parents. She should still remember Neal as he is still Henry's father regardless of Regina giving them both new memories. She just doesn't remember him being Baelfire, the son of Rumplestiltskin.
ReplyDeletelol..haha,yes,that was funny! :D
ReplyDeleteOk,now you've lost me.(or i just don't get what you mean bc i didn't sleep and it is half past 6 in germany and i need to go to work in 1h...wahhh ;D)
ReplyDeleteYes,she should remember Neal being Henry's father.
But what does Neal have to do with the kiss between Emma and Hook? Huh?
And by the way even if true love is the powerful magic of all and is able to transcend reals it won't work in the real world a world without any magic.
(..i could use some magic right now...or perhaps one good coffee^^)
OMFGGG one of teh ebst episode ever, it had everything, Drama, action, i was crying all over their goodbyes, it wasnt fair, and REGINA OMFG REGINA! did everything perfect she finally saw what was wrong in the past and did the best for their future and Rumple i dont believe he is dead please somene tell me he is not dead...
ReplyDeleteOhhhh i laugh at Hook not being Emma`s true love but how are they going to make her go to enchanted forest¿? and anyone else saw the conection between the Hour she woke up 8:15 and the Lost Flight¿?.
I thought they were going to show the wicked witch in the episode but they did it in the Promo cant wait to see her in action!
I'm just saying that what Regina did to stop the curse was to take away all of Emma's and Henry's memories, but give her new ones of never having given up Henry. I only mentioned Neal because even with the "erase" she should still remember having met him, if she hadn't Henry wouldn't exist. But she won't remember him having a fairy tale identity when she meets him any more than she remembered Hook, or if her parents had shown up at the door she wouldn't have remembered them.
ReplyDeleteHaha, I seriously thought he was going to as well! Like some crazy ironic parallel to cutting Hook's hand off.
ReplyDeleteWhat had to hurt? The knee in the groin at the end.
ReplyDeleteOh my god, that series reset was amazing! And it was so sad too :( I was literally crying with Belle when Rumple "died".
ReplyDeleteI hope Rumples not dead as so far this season all my favorites from different shows have dies Hershel Greene , joss carter , Robb Stark and now rumple.
ReplyDeleteThat was legit good. Perhaps the best work of the series. Even shed a few tears which is something this show hasn't elicited from me in quite some time. Thumbs up. Want more.
ReplyDeleteI asked your question to Adam Horowitz on Twitter, and here is his response:"unlike Henry, she was conceived in enchanted forest." I don't know whether he just came up with that explanation on the spot or whether that's what he intended, but in any case it seems kind of contrived. Why should conception be the dividing line rather than birth?
ReplyDeleteI feel like Storybrooke is an extension of the Enchanted Forest. Magic still exists there. Therefore, the laws of magic apply to it. Emma and Henry were the only ones not born in EF/SB which is why the curse doesn't apply to them. I think!
ReplyDeleteWait! Emma was born there, of course. But Regina explained why the curse didn't apply to her. There was something in that scene. Just remembered. OOPS!
ReplyDeleteI loved the episode, it was just...wow. Very emotional, and that Swan-Mills family hug and the Swan Queen moment at the town border... Ah, my shipper heart. And Belle's cries after Rumple disappeared were heart-wrenching. ='( Next episode looks really interesting, especially with Elphaba now on board. This hiatus is going to be the death of me.
ReplyDeleteMy understanding is that Rumple's dad became Peter Pan by stealing his son's right or access to Neverland (because only children can rightfully belong there). As a result, Rumple's dad kind of had part of his son inside of him, which is why he adopted the name Peter Pan, after his son's doll. That's why killing Peter Pan would mean that Rumplestiltskin would also die. In fact, Rumple went Neverland planning to kill Pan, sacrificing his own life in the process.
ReplyDeleteBecause every baby born was alive before birth.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure that in the second half of the season everyone from the current FTL is curse back to Storybrook by the wicked witch or something. Emma and Henry go back there too thanks to Hook with or without their real memories and the flashbacks from the FTL will now features what happened there during the year gap
ReplyDeleteWow, wow, wow!!
ReplyDeleteThis is an amazing episode! Amazing! I have never cried to a OUAT episode but I have cried at the final moments of this episode. Jennifer Morrison is an amazing actress for her scene when Emma was giving birth to Henry.
I like the different kinds of flashbacks that they have, kind of feel like Person of Interest at the last episode that we watched. Each flashback is relevant to the current happening. Like, Rumple's flashback is relevant to him saying good bye to Bae. But, hold on, does this mean that he is gone??? Oh god, another death? I haven't gotten over the death of Carter in POI, now this... :(((
Snow's flashback is relevant to Snow finally getting the family that she has always wanted as Emma has given that in the past 3 years. I love the motherly look she gave Emma at the last scene. I just hope there is a lingering hug between them. It would make it more satisfying.
Hook's flashback is relevant to what he always wanted, that Rumple died, but then ow he's not so sure if that's what he wanted anymore.
Emma's flashback is relevant because it's the game-changing part of the episode. Rather than giving up Henry, she decided to look at the baby and fell in love with him and decided to keep him.
Some questions:
1) Is Rumple really gone from the Show???
2) Do the people in the FTL preserve their memories? Or are their memories lost along with Emma's and Henry's?
3) How did Hook get to the NY? (maybe this is easily answered by the use of magic bean or something)
Ohhh, March is too far away................................
How do you know that the people in FTL will remember? Did Regina say that? Oh god, I need to rewatch the scene.
ReplyDeleteLoooved Henry and Emma's normal lives, this looks like it's going in a fun direcion. Can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI think a good explanation is that she was born in Storybrooke under the curse and therefore had to return to the Enchanted Forest along with her parents.
ReplyDeleteAbout the song..
ReplyDeleteNeal received the postcard from August during this scene, and we understood that Neal didn't come back for Emma, even with the postcard and even knowing that the curse was broken.
But in last night's episode, the song led to a scene where we saw Hook coming back for Emma.
That's a pretty strong parallel I think. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
Loved the episode,it was incredible!Probably my favorite so far and if not,definitely in the Top 3(I'll have to think about it a little).Tied up a lot of loose ends and created an awesome storyline for the second part.
ReplyDelete- Rumple and Regina have redeemed themselves.The end...They were working to make up for things for a while now and,in my opinion,last night they finally both succeded.
- Rumple is NOT dead!Not sure about Pan,but Rumple definitely isn't.Question is,what happened to him.
- In the second half I expect we'll have Emma,Henry and Hook in New York and flashbacks of the Enchanted Forest,which will lead up to how Hook made it to NY and what is the "trouble" he mentioned.The way I understand it is that Emma and Henry are the only ones who have forgotten.However,we know from the promo that the others end up in our world again(I don't know if it's SB or not).My theory is that the Wicked Witch uses the curse to send them back(seriously,someone destroy that thing already).The big question is,what they will remember.Since he spoke of danger I'm leaning towards the theory that Hook is the only one whose memories are still intact.
- Shipping characters is definitely not my thing,but like everyone else I do have my preferences.We do know for a fact that Hook kissing Emma didn't work because she has lost her memories.It doesn't say anything about him being her TL or not.Also,I don't think Emma does feel the same way Hook feels.YET!I know people have different opinions on the matter,which is completely understandable,but for me it's pretty obvious that Emma and Hook are the pairing they're going for.It's just the story they're telling.And it's not even that Neal and Emma don't make sense.I have my issues with their relationship,but I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up together.IF the writers were showing things differently.But they don't and the story they're telling leads me to believe that Hook will be Emma's choice in the end.Any doubts I had completely disappeared after last night.
I think it didn't work because Hook is not the person to break the curse... When you think about it, when MM and David kissed, they still didn't remember anything...
ReplyDeleteStill crying..
ReplyDeleteAwesome!
ReplyDeleteRegina saying goodbye to Emma and Henry had me crying!
3 MONTHS NOW:(
Snow said "we are back" ,that means she knows they were in another place before.
ReplyDeleteExcept not.
ReplyDeleteIts a parallel to s2 opener.
To Neal abandoning Emma for his own selfish gain and to Hook coming back to Emma unlike Neal ;)
IF we are to go by your strange logic then Snowing and Rumbelle are ALSO not true love - because hey! The kiss did not work when one side did not have memories in those relationships too.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, with all Captain Swan parallels to Snowing(The end scene is literally 1:1 Snow/Charming scene from Heart of Darkness) and with VERY smart placement of Emma's important people(with hook placed right next her parents), its swanfire pairing that is pretty much buried. :]
How did he abandon her "for his own selfish gain" exactly?
ReplyDeleteWhat did Neal gain from abandoning Emma? nothing. He lost 11 years with the love of his life and his son. he did a selfless thing. August was selfish. he mess things up. If he hadnt abandoning Emma to begin with a lot of stuff would have never happen and Emma would have been a believer from the start.
ReplyDeleteShe has never forgotten Neal. She went looking for him. confessed multiple time she's still in love with him. Even when they said good bye Emma went to Neal and said good bye. But silly Hook went to her and said good bye.
The song connect Neal and Emma once again. and even the dreamcatcher has resuface. Emma is still in love with Neal and always will be. its not like she has forgotten Neal again. She just forgot her 2 years of her life.
True Love kiss would work with Neal. Emma still knows who Neal is. She just doesnt have memories of the last 2 years. If Neal had showed up at that door she would known who he was. PERIOD
ReplyDeleteAnd that would mean it is actually Pan and not Henry, that is the undoing from the prophecy.
ReplyDeleteNeal express by he didnt go to Storybrooke when he got the postcard. it had nothing to do with Emma. It had to do with his issues with his father and the bad timing of Tamara entering picture
ReplyDeleteAh, that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteAhhhh, OK. Got it.
ReplyDeleteDid u see a body? I didnt. Just Black smoke.
ReplyDeletethe creators have said there would more RumBelle scenes in the second half of the season.
Plus look like he was transported somewhere.
This was one of the best if not THE best episode of OUAT. It almost felt like a series finale which I am glad it wasn't. I realy love what they did with every character, especially how they developed Regina and Rumple. I can't wait for the second part of the season and Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch. March, come already!
ReplyDeleteTotally restored my fate in the show. The only downpoint is that now they're stuck in the Enchanted Forest at least for some episodes.
ReplyDeleteI definitely think there's now a love square. And when I think about it from this perspective, I find I'm warming up to Captain-Swan...Although for both Emma and Henry's sake (Henry is also what True Love creates), I do think Neal is the long term love interest, but...
ReplyDeleteI def think they are making Tink and Emma parallels, and although I do like Hooker-Bell, I think I could be ok with Captain-Swan if we get Tinker-Fire!
Because you can say that conception is the beginnings of life. These people were effected by every aspect of their former lives and for them planning on having a baby could be considered a "big" life changing event...
ReplyDeleteOH. MY. GOSH. Saying this felt like a season finale in scope is not enough - were it not for the little teaser at the end, this would have worked as a SERIES finale. I was complaining about not enough big twists just a week ago - now I feel like I should have been more careful what I wished for. I basically alternated between tearing up and yelling "NO!" at the screen for the entire episode.
ReplyDeleteAlso, can I just say that Jared Gilmore was fantastic throughout. He had to basically run the gamut of emotions here and provide some very pivotal scenes as Pan, and he did a terrific job. His acting mis-steps earlier this season are completely forgiven in my book. As I've said before, he just needed better material to work with, and he certainly got that this time. (He was actually pretty scary when he ripped out Felix's heart.)
I'm sorry to see Robbie Kay depart, though I suppose he might still show up in flashbacks. Rumple was apparently in the trailer, and it would be insane to kill him off permanently anyway, so I'm sure we'll be seeing him again. The wait until March will be difficult, but I'm sure it will be worth it. This shake-up opens the door for a new storytelling format and fresh material. Now the flashbacks can center on the "gap" year instead of the pre-Curse era. That should be interesting. Plus...OZ. Very, very exciting...casting Rebecca Mader as the Wicked Witch is genius.
Agreed!!!
ReplyDeleteHe did not abandon her out of any gain, except her own. He believed in what AUGUST had to say about Emma and the Curse and he thought he was being selfless by allowing Emma to fulfill her destiny. He had no idea that she was pregnant either. So I think everyone needs to cut Neal a break and if people want to be mad at someone, be mad at August or whomever sent him (but just remember we wouldn't have a story if things didn't go the way they went and that is the actual point)
Yeah, the LOST parallels are almost spooky, in the sense that we've had a good season one, an iffy season 2, an even more iffy Season 3 thus far...and then BOOM. Major shocker that propels the show in a new direction and makes me love it even more than I did at the beginning. Very, very similar to "Through the Looking Glass".
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, I totally thought that.
ReplyDeleteGood question! Maybe they'll be exploring that.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I think it's a good theory and def on board with it, I also think it's possible that another reason it didn't work was because it wasn't a consensual kiss, like it was with Graham.
ReplyDeleteOne thing we don't know is if Emma even remember's Neal being Henry's father? -If her memories/reality is also altered there with something like a sperm downer or if it's a one night stand she doesn't remember???
They have a lot of ways to play it!
I'm also thinking that maybe Henry gets a new [version] of the book too and it tells all the new stories!
ReplyDeleteWell his vision was the image of Henry, but technically it's Pan as they switched boddies, but like what the Seer and Rumple have both pointed out is that visions aren't always what they seem! :)
ReplyDeleteI do loathe shipping in any form, but even so, I didn't really get a SwanQueen vibe at all. The stuff between Emma and Regina was all about Henry and his happiness. Regina didn't even admit that she liked Emma, even though I think she grudgingly considers her a friend at this point.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure we'll be getting a major flashback story about why anyone remembers. The repercussions in the Enchanted Forest (and elsewhere) as a result of what Regina did will probably be very complex and widespread. Most likely the attack by the Wicked Witch will somehow spark a quest to recover everything our fairy tale characters have lost. Maybe she curses them AGAIN or something...
I wasn't thrilled about Blue's return either. Sorry, but I still don't like her. For some reason, I keep expecting her to suddenly turn evil. THEN I would probably like her. In any case, her resurrection was poorly explained and felt tacked on. I mean, if she's back, then does that mean all of the shadow victims are back as well? Is GREG back? *shudder*
the fake memories started with Henry's birth.. so she still have memories of neal and what she went through with Neal. She dont have memories of looking for Neal in Tallahassee or seeing him again 11 years later. she gain 11 years of fake memories
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that a lot must have happened back in the Enchanted Forest for the Wicked Witch to be a major threat, for people's memories to return, and for Hook to somehow make it back to our world. Probably enough material there to make for some awesome flashback scenes. Please, please no more pre-curse flashbacks unless they're absolutely necessary. WE GET IT. Regina and Snow hated each other and Rumple was evil. Can we move on now?
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I do want to find out Aurora's backstory and see more of Maleficent. Given that Aurora and Philip showed up in the trailer, that flashback is likely.
They're good reasons, no one is arguing with that.
ReplyDeleteBut in no way does that change the fact that he didn't come back.
But Hook did.
I don't want to go further than that, because we don't know what happened during this one whole year.
Maybe something happened that prevented Neal to go to NY, instead of Hook. We don't know.
But it doesn't change the fact that Hook still there, and he looked pretty happy to see her after all this time apart.
Just one more point. Yes, it was a NY scene song, but why is it "Neal's song"? It seems to represent something more like the life they live without each other. We saw that Neal didn't want an interruption of this life (whatever his reasons were). He was presented with an opportunity to change this life, but didn't do anything. Now, we have to see how Emma will react to the interruption of this life, represented by Hook. Will she believe in him? How will things go from the moment Hook (re)appears in her life?
But assuming that the song represents indeed Neal, it IS normal that she still thinks of him at the moment. She doesn't remember anyone from Storybrooke, but her past with Neal is still on her memory. So yeah, it seems pretty logical that she remembers him, and deep down still loves him (even if she's not conscious of that, because all Neverland scenes are also forgotten and she didn't have her epiphany yet) and not Hook, whom she never met.
So, in my opinion (I'm only expressing my opinion and respect yours obviously!), the song didn't mean anything in regards to the ST relationship and how it is still important in her life.
Best episode in a long, long time! Puts most of the second half of S2 to shame! Great performance by Robert Carlyle, but when has he ever given a bad performance? And to those worrying wehther or not Rumple is really dead, read the interview with Robert Carlye and Emily de Raven posted on here not so long ago, kinda hints that he ain't dead
ReplyDeleteBest episode so far!! (For me) im so sad that rumple is gone because is my favorite character but i really hope they doesnt bring him back, im tired of brimg back dead characters (blue fairy) and the end bring me to tears , amazing!!
ReplyDeleteHe's not gone. We'd be fools to believe that he is
ReplyDeleteIt's only Emma and Henry who loose their memories this time. From the promo it appears they transform and just go back to TEF....
ReplyDeleteBut I agree about OZ-stuff and how things unfold in a year's time, however there may already be an unknown history/story here, as Rumple had the Red Ruby Slippers , which Bae also mentioned earlier in the season. Both OUAT and OUATiW have been sprinkling OZ elements all a long so I'm really looking forward to Rebecca Mader's role and to see an Enchanted Forest where Rumple and Regina are no longer the biggest threats...
Did H and K say that? -Just because they started with seeing an alteration with that scene, doesn't necessarily mean that is when her memories were changed, as I though Regina said something along the lives of Emma also having a better life period?
ReplyDeleteIt was a realization moment.
ReplyDeleteYears ago Rumple went down the path of the Dark One by injuring his leg to avoid something he thought was bad.
Now he thought about cutting off his arm, which is what made him realize that he did not truly move past who he was back then, giving him courage to do the right and brave thing.
This is such an afterthought, but I wonder if Henry is still named "Henry". Regina gave him that name and if that part of their lives has been erased...is Henry still his name?
ReplyDeleteJUST HOPE RUMPLE ISN'T DEAD !
ReplyDeleteHOW you say?
ReplyDeleteWe had two men take away her capability making decisions of her own .
Thanks to Neal's nice guy "I want better stuff to happpen to her" Emma grew up with horrible complexes, trust issues, gave up her son, spent time in prison and was damaged forever by the betrayal.
What did Neal do? Oh I don't know. He got a fiance and spent living on without being affected too much by what happened. If not for Emma coming to the town and dragging his ass to Storybrooke, he would still be happily going around the town like an idiot, every bit as intent to not reveal his trickery to Emma.
Trying to portray what Neal and August did as "selfless' is gross and misogynistic. They TOOK. AWAY. HER. CONSENT. IN. THE. MATTERS. OF. HER. OWN. LIFE. And why? because one was too busy experiencing all the life's best things and the other had DADDY ISSUES.
Neal never bothered to care about Henry or Emma. He went on to live happily with Tamara and was every bit as NOT SORRY for ruining Emma's life, TAKING AWAY HER CONSENT and turning her into distrustful emotional wreck.
ReplyDeleteShe went looking for him because Rumple asked. If she did not, Neal would still be frolicking through the world, completely conscience-less of what he and August did.
Its only after he got dragged to storybrooke, he started to pretend he ares, but sure two weeks or so latter, he was in FTL using someone else's son as a BAIT.
She said she loved him. But love is not static. it can change. And Neal gives absolutely no reason why she should love him or want to love him. Any sort of such inclination is INCREDIBLY problematic and sexist considering what Neal did to her.
The goodbye to Neal sounded like the end of their relationship. Surely followed up by the new beginning with Hook, where Emma took in David's advice about moments and acknowledged her feelings for Hook instead of putting up deffensive wall around herself that Neal CAUSED.
The song is book-end. The story that started in big town and caused Emma so much grief is over now, but some things stay the same. The difference this time however, that the new love of her life outright came forward to her and told everything instead of how Neal handled it.
Well I can't answer question 1, but .. as long as FTL mit the rest of them, like Hook, Snow, etc..
ReplyDelete2) They must still have the memories otherwise Hook wouldn't know about Emma or tried to kiss her because of the true loves kiss blabla..
But if FTL means something different.. Sorry :D
This felt like a very LOST type episode which isnt surprising based on the creators etc. Very clever and also keeps the show very fresh and keeps it out of the season 3 slump lots of shows get
ReplyDeleteFTL for me is Fairy Tales Land, at least that's what I thought with people in here saying FTL all the time. LOL
ReplyDeleteWhat does FTL mean to you?
Rumplestiltskin is by far and has been since the pilot my favorite character of the series Robert Carlyle is a master and the character is awesome! I love how it came down to do everyone about to die at the hands of Pan and Rumple comes in like a boss ready to die for them and take down his Pan once and for all. And i love how he knows he's a villain, and he knows no happy ending comes to being a villain! I think though he is alive or will be revived as the writers have spoiled but man that was a great ending for him if they ever do permanently kill him off i want something epic for him like that! Im guessing though the consequence of his sacrfice when he comes back is he wont be the dark one anymore, he'll have magic but weaker.
ReplyDeleteI really have no words for this. The episode was good but that ending i don't get why they had to do that. And now what for the rest of the season we will see another unknown with Emma and her parents with Henry not remembering and so on?
ReplyDeleteAwesome episode! I'm just glad it isn't the season finale (although March is kind of a long way off).
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I don't understand is why Neal didn't stay with Emma and Henry, given that he was also protected against the original curse like Emma. He didn't have to return to the Enchanted Forest. They could have stayed together as a family instead of leaving Emma to raise Henry alone. At the very least, it would have made more sense for Neal to find Emma one year later, rather than Hook, since she would have at least remembered Neal as Henry's father. Unless Neal is in danger too...
I see, Granny has replaced Red as the town's detection dog.
ReplyDeleteTrue, I forgot about Rumple having the slippers. It would be cool if there were some kind of backstory between the Wicked Witch and Rumple. Those flashbacks I would totally go for.
ReplyDeleteDid they every explain where Ruby is? I can see that for some one time appearance characters like Cinderella, they ignore them after, but Red was so much of an integral part of the cast before and just because the actress left the show, they now completely ignored her existence.... or did I miss something?
ReplyDeleteYou didn't miss anything. Apart from her name being dropped here and there, the show is pretending like her character doesn't exist.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is she still essentially named him by giving Emma and him the false memories starting from his birth. So yeah, because of that I think it makes sense that he is still named Henry.
ReplyDelete1: He didnt know about Henry.
ReplyDelete2: Neal was allowed to move on.
3. Tamara was barely in the picture when Emma found him. Tamara came in the picture just b4 August showed up in Storybrooke.
You still havent answered the question: What did Neal gain for abandoning Emma? Absolutely nothing.
Only one person benefited from that situation: August. August is to blame for Henry growing up without his mother and father. August is the reason why Emma is an overly emotional person. August ran off with that money Neal left for Emma. August was right about one thing: Emma would have never broken the curse with Neal in the picture. Emma would have never believe. If August had stay in the picture, then destiny wouldnt have bought the son of Rumple and the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming together to created the truest believer
Neal and Emma both never fully got over each other. There was proof around Neal's apartment (the dreamcatacher) and Emma keeping the necklace and the bug
I would really appreciate it if you would stop yealling at me. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI am not saying that abandining Emma wasn't a dick move from Neal (I totally agree it was) or that it was right to essentially decide her life for Emma (because it wasn't), but I am saying that Neal definitely didn't do it "for his own selfish gain". That just didn't happen. He did it, because he (stupidly, I might say) belived that it is needed for Emma to fullfil her destiny a save everyone, because he (unfortunately) trusted August that he will take care of her so she will have a support system and won't be alone (I think August behaved like a total asshole by abandoning her again after promissing Neal to look after her) and because he didn't know she was pregnant.
"Thanks to Neal's nice guy "I want better stuff to happpen to her" Emma grew up with horrible complexes, trust issues, gave up her son, spent time in prison and was damaged forever by the betrayal." You are making it sound like it was all Neal's fault, which it really wasn't. He had a part in it, sure (not while she grew up though), but for example I blame August more than Neal in screwing up Emma's life (Neil wouldn't have left her if August didn't promiss Neal to look after her which he than - again, I might add - didn't) and there are also other people (Regina, Rumple, even Geppetto) who had a much bigger hand in screwing up Emma's life than Neil ... so it wasn't all Neal's fault by any strech.
As I said, it was a dick move and it was stupid, but it wasn't motivated by evil, it wasn't done because he had "daddy issues" (where did you get that idea?) and it definitely wasn't done for Neal's "own selfish gain". He didn't want to leave her, he just (again, very stupidly) belived that he was doing the right thing. That some "good things" (because really, was Tamara using him a "good thing"?) happened to him afterwards (if some did, because what I was seeing was just him living a normal life, still hiding from his father - with good reason - so I didn't see much "happiness" save for the recent relationship with Tamara and we know how that turned out), doesn't change that at all, as he didn't know what would happen when he did it and it is not the reason he did it.
Trying to portray what Neal and August did as "selfless' is gross and misogynistic. They TOOK. AWAY. HER. CONSENT. IN. THE. MATTERS. OF. HER. OWN. LIFE. And why? because one was too busy experiencing all the life's best things and the other had DADDY ISSUES.
ReplyDeleteFrist: We are in a FATE orientated universes where bad things have to happen in order for these people to ever reach a happy ending. It's then possible that if Neal and Emma stood together that Emma would never come and break the curse and that is what AUGUST believed and what he convinced Neal of.
Second: Is it not also "hateful" that August would want to ruin someone's love?
Your a LOST fan right? -Then you should be ok or familiar with all things Locke, which really relates the most with Emma....
"suffering is nature's way of strengthening" and that in order to [spiritually] progress, we all need "proper motivation"! That's what this story is. And at times it's heartbreaking, narcissistic, misogynistic, masochistic, and other times it's romantic, compassionate, moving, and warm. It's not black and white. No one has or knows the the whole truth, and characters make mistakes and have to learn from experience and make up for all they can't ever possibly know. They are are flawed and all guilty of making bad decisions. It's just some more than others...
I wish Wonderland's mid-season finale would of had a series of flashbacks like these and not just Cyrus/Rabbits, because I think it would of made the final scenes that much more emotionally effective.
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing, isn't it! One episode can make such a difference :D
ReplyDelete..oh,lol...then it was just a misunderstanding on my part*big sorry*! :)
ReplyDeleteI thought that it was already clear that Emma wouldn't remember anyone except for Neal.But only as him being Henry's dad and not his fairytale persona.
Even though it's odd that Hook showed up instead of Neal. Maybe he was delayed by something we don't know about yet but i think it would have been easier for Neal to talk to Emma and Henry bc they already remembered him.
..lol..haha yes i know now what Aydrian meant x)
ReplyDeleteYes,i think you're right about the Tink and Emma parallels,although i do see some Snow/Charming and Hook/Emma parallels to.
ReplyDeleteI also think that i could warm up to Tink and Hook or Tink-Fire and i would be ok with Swan Fire or Captain Swan.
I admit i didn't like Neal at first bc of his role in True Blood s1 but i'm very ok with him now.
..including the wicked witch of the west. Uhm,maybe it's time for me then to read the wizard of oz bc i never did that as a child. ;)
ReplyDeleteEven if the writer's change most things about the original fairy tale story.
There's a lot of books in Baum's series! (You could always just watch the 1939 Film :P )
ReplyDeleteEmma would, Henry wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the tip! I think i'll look everything up first and watch the movie then..or vice versa. ;D
ReplyDeleteEither way i should be done with everything until march. :)
That reminds me...i hate the long hiatus!
Bc Henry met Neal during the time of Regina's Curse.
ReplyDeleteRight. That power should still be with Emma and Henry as Regina specifically gave them new memories when stopping Pan's curse and sending everyone back. So they are the only ones who can restore their memories. It's not meant to be like when Snow took the potion to forget Charming.
ReplyDeleteJust here to add that I don't think CS Love kiss didn't work because
ReplyDeleteof lack of magic. I mean, Storybrooke didn't had magic at the beginning
and the curse did broke because of Emma. Also, Graham recovered his
memories because of Emma's kiss as well, even though there wasn't magic
on Storybrooke at the moment. Emma is the common factor(SHE IS MAGIC), she is the one that should feel something strong for the person she kisses.
I think it does not work because Emma doesn't know him. As simple as that.
She doesn't love him because she doesn't knows him. I'm not a CS shipper
(I don't even like the guy, I think he is a creep(the character not the
actor)... no offense captain swaners), but I believe that everything is
posible with this show. So discarting CS since now would be silly.
Holy crap, that was emotional. This episode might be the best OUAT episode so far. Just amazing and perfect.
ReplyDeleteWhen they all said goodbye to Emma and Henry and watching the curse swarm Storybrooke and engulf everyone was heartbreaking. I have to admit, I had tears in my eyes and that has never happened since the season 1 finale.
I felt so bad for Belle watching Rumple "die" in front of her and break down crying. That must have been really hard for her to watch and not be able to do anything to save him.
It will be interesting to see Emma and Henry making new memories in their new lives and try to remember their family again.
Robbie Kay did a fantastic job playing Pan but it looks like the Pan arc is done with which makes me so relieved.
This show finally seems to be going on the right track which makes me so excited for the second half of the season. These next TWELVE weeks are going to be hell. Here we come, Oz!!
I think that Neil had to go back cause he was born there. I think that's what Regina said. Everyone that was born there has to go back except for Emma.
ReplyDeletei got that same vibe from the second it started and the alarm clock flashing 8:15 to the end with hook, it felt very much like Jack and his "we have to go back" speech.
ReplyDeleteHook found the frozen donkey wheel and was able to leave the island. ;-)
ReplyDeleteYes exactly, i believe it's more likely that true loves kiss will not work when memories have been wiped.
ReplyDeleteThe same thing happend to Rumbelle and Snowing in s1 and s2 respectively.
...and i'm not discarding CS...i like them but i wouldn't say that i'm a shipper. ;)
What a great mid season finale. This show has so many Lost references I absolutely LOVE IT. I binged watched all of season 1 and 2 just as season 3 had started up and with all the lost references in this series i was going nuts, from the mccutchen scotch to the apollo bars to all the Lost actors playing parts in this series, its awesome. This finale kinda reminded me of the time when Ben shifted the island and we were all left hanging saying WTF just happened. Also the end with Hook and Emma brought me back to a time when Jack was yelling "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!!!" love love love this show. it fills the void that was left by Lost.
ReplyDeleteAH! That makes TOTAL sense! I am glad that I wasn't missing something in the direction he was thinking, but in that context his final decision to make that sacrifice totally fits! THANK YOU!
ReplyDeleteThe memories she gave them was a good life starting with Emma not giving up Henry. Rewatch the scene when Regina is explaining it
ReplyDeleteAgain I need a transcript (I don't have time to rewatch it this week) to see what exactly Regina said...
ReplyDeleteThis could just be the scene they chose to show us as point of reference, as it is in relation to a scene we recently saw (so it's one of the rare few VIEWERS HAVE SEEN in the past of Emma's life we could make a "comparison" to and it also resonates with the themes of the first half of the season), but it doesn't say in black or white (unless Regina specifically stated or the writers have) that THIS is the oldest memory change. It just might be the first memory the writers want to show us, because otherwise it should be pretty easy for Neal to just come and make her remember...
can't find the transcript, but this is ABC review:
ReplyDeleteEleven years ago, Emma Swan gave birth to a baby boy. She refused to look at him stating that she can’t be a mother. In the present day, Emma hugs her own mother and father goodbye. Henry and Regina also share a heartfelt farewell. Neal vows this isn’t over. He’ll see Emma and Henry again. Regina reveals one more secret about the curse. All of Emma’s memories will disappear. She and Henry won’t remember anything over the past few years. However, Regina can provide good memories. She can make it as if Emma never gave up Henry. http://abc.go.com/shows/once-upon-a-time/episode-guide/311-going-home
True, Snow didn't remember Charming during the forgetting potion. But she didn't remember him either during the Regina-Curse...
ReplyDeleteShe didn't even remember herself in either case. Jiminy advised Charming that he needed to remind Snow of who she was in order to break the spell that the potion put on her. He couldn't do it under the curse as he also didn't remember who he was. In Emma's case though, she still remembers who she is - an orphan who grew up in the foster system, fell in love with Neal, got sent to jail, had Henry, and still became a bail bonds person. The only thing Regina made different for Emma (and Henry) was keeping Henry. She didn't give her a new identity. She just doesn't remember her parents are Snow White and Prince Charming and that she's the Savior. And how can anyone, other than Snow and Charming remind her that she's their daughter? How can anyone remind her she's the Savior? There's no altered personality to get rid of in any way.
ReplyDeleteIt says she "doesn't remember anything from the past few years"...The key word might be "everything" and not "the past few years", as maybe she remembers somethings (but very differently) from even earlier years...
ReplyDeleteIt's not specific enough IMO, but thanks for ABC's synopsis...
But they are different things.
ReplyDeleteJiminy told Charming to remind Snow who she was after she took the forgetting potion. She wanted to forget, she chose to.
This new curse, just like the last one, no one chose to forget. Emma's "past" was just as real as Mary Margaret's. The thing is that just because Hook "kissed" her and she didn't remember, it doesn't mean they are or not true love. It's up to Emma and only to believe. When Graham told her he didn't have a heart and she put her hand on his chest she felt the heart beat; when August showed her his wooden leg, she didn't see anything out of the ordinary.
IMO. She will be reminded by hints, like in the promo you can see in that scene when she sees the dreamcatcher, it seems like she remembers something.
Well the dream catcher was part of her past with Neal, though she did use it in Storybrooke to see Pongo's memories (still weird).
ReplyDeleteMaybe the unicorn mobile could be used this time to restore her memories. They didn't for Charming (unfortunately), but Snow explained their significance to Emma before sending Henry back to his own body. I sure hope that will work.
Not sure what would work for Henry unless it's the book for him (if it comes back). That would be better than toy wooden swords.
its says "Won't". She gave both them fake memories starting Emma deciding not to give up Henry
ReplyDeleteBut the mobile had to go back to the enchanted forrest... The dreamcatcher, on the other hand - since Neal bought it, it should have stayed on our world...
ReplyDeleteAlthough, I don't think Emma would have kept it...
I hoped the book would "stay" because the curse seemed to make a dome above it, but then it disappeared as well :(
Neal should have left SB though lol. I feel for him.
ReplyDeleteGreat S3a finale. Looking forward to S3b.
ReplyDeleteCouple of things : Is Greg alive? May he be the new P.Pan?
Rumple obviously is alive but does that mean Malcolm is too? Cause Pan is dead for sure( a shame for Robbie).
If what you gave me above is the word for word full synopsis ABC has posted, it does not anywhere say "starting with" with these/this this specific memory, It says "...good memories as if she never gave Henry up." It does not disclose if other things in the past relating to that memory are also changed...
ReplyDeleteActually Neal didn't buy the dream catcher. They found it in a motel room.
ReplyDeleteIf the Wicked Witch casts a new curse that brings everyone back, who knows what will come with them.
Really? Forgot about that.. But if it would have been from the Enchanted Forrest, how did it made its way to our world? To outside Storybrooke? No one ever left Storybrooke - except Greg, but he didn't have anything with him.
ReplyDeleteAnd yea, I agree about the Wicked Witch. So excited!
I loved it! I've really enjoyed these last few episodes. This fall finale had a lot of resolution and character moments, while still be exciting. And it totally has me wanting more.
ReplyDeleteTink - Tink's so cool. "Yeah, it's a terrible, terrible thing." HA! Loved her going up against the shadow so easily. Is she more powerful than Blue or something? 'Cause Blue doesn't ever "bring it" like Green does. I like Tink way more than Blue Fairy. Also, I laughed when Charming said "She's back", like Blue left on a shopping trip, not temp-death. (Horror! Please, don't let this mean we'll be seeing Greg again, since all the shadows were returned!) Anywho...I hope we see Tink again. If Hook made it off Neverland, so could Tink...and Ariel, right? Also, I can't be the only one who thought Tink and Hook had amazing chemistry in those island scenes. I mean acting chem, as well as sparks for sexual chemistry.
Regina - While bittersweet, I found this to be a very fulfilling character arc for Regina. In her path back to the good person she was, before Daniel died, Regina sacrificing the love and happiness she craved, since she started the curse, was really the ultimate sacrifice. I've found all of Regina's scenes mesmerizing in the last few episodes, so kudos to the actress and writing staff!
Henry - I'm so glad Henry, and the writers, finally addressed that whole "Regina doesn't love me" stuff, and actually said he was wrong to think that, and that he now knows that she does love him. That was nagging at me for a while now. While the show has had a terrible track record with how they portray adopted families, I was left (mostly) satisfied with how they portrayed the love between a child and his birth mother, as well as with his adopted mother, and the two mothers respecting the role the other plays in their son's life. I thought it was beautiful, and sad, that Regina gave Henry and Emma happy memories, while giving him up like that. I really hope Henry and Emma get their memories back, because it really isn't fair.
Peter Pan - While I understand, I'm still a little sad Robbie Kay isn't going to be playing Henry for a while longer. But, if Rumple is still alive, Peter likely is too. I can't say I found Peter Pan to be a compelling villain, and the first half of this series of episodes, really dragged. However, Robbie Key is superb. Kid should get an Emmy nod or something.
That preview was amazing! I want to see that episode now, so badly! They're back in FTL! YES! (Side note: Does that mean those ridiculously unnecessary FTL flashbacks will stop? 'Cause flashbacks were cool in Season 1, when actual new stuff and info was revealed, but now, feels pedantic. I hope hey only use flashbacks when necessary.) I'm so excited for a new, possibly great, straight up villain, with the Wicked Witch of the West. Her costume and makeup looks great already. And they got an actress capable of the role too!
Because I saw him in the 3x12 promo :) Rumple and Belle and it wasn't a clip from an old episode
ReplyDeleteI'm of two minds -- I think the show needs to recast her, just because it's so obvious that she's not there. LOL But I think many fans would revolt if Meghan Ory was not Red. It's too bad they shoved her new show to a midseason replacement. If it aired during the fall and flopped (as is likely) we could get her back for spring. Although I think she's already taped all her episodes of Intelligence so maybe they're waiting to get her back?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't want Ruby be to recasted because like you said, fans would revolt. I just wish the show would adress her absense on screen and give some kind of explanation why she isn't there.
ReplyDeleteI'm not. If true love was needed to create the Savior, what do you think is needed to create the HEART of the truest believer? Just the Savior alone? Don't think so. Neal is Emma's true love.
ReplyDeletePersonality? Really? You think that is enough to have given Pan the ability to fly moments after Henry put it in his chest? That was enough to make it capable of drawing all of the magic of Neverland into Pan and make him immortal?
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