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POLL : What did you think of Grimm - Twelve Days of Krampus?

14 Dec 2013

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31 comments:

  1. InvestedInYourFuture14 December 2013 at 04:03

    Nice to see them exploring the more forgotten part of yule lore. Its hilarious on how many people don't seem to realize on the internet that Krampus is based upon real myths.

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  2. Kris B14 December 2013 at 04:09

    Loved it when Zombie Nick punched Krampus! Bring on January 3!!!

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  3. Kaye23714 December 2013 at 04:30

    How awesome-ly funny was Bud tonight? xD I missed that guy


    And ''dead''-Nick is back, I was starting to think it was just an after-effect of the serum that ended....wonder what start this reaction. The 2 last time it saved his life, but he also had those moments sleeping and relaxing in the house

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  4. Diaspora14 December 2013 at 07:14

    ROSALEE GOT SOME FUCKING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT YESSSS!!!@!

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  5. Cor Malum14 December 2013 at 09:54

    Krampus is more a creature of southern Germany and Austria. Neither he nor Knecht Rupprecht fit in well today, though. Punishing naughty kids is no way to sell toys, smart phones and such in today's consumer-oriented society.

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  6. swanpride14 December 2013 at 10:16

    It is less that...it has more to so with how education was redefined in the late 60th and 70th. Back then, the idea that it is not a good idea to punish children, but to talk to them instead became popular (the extreme version of it was the "laizze-faire" style). It was more or less a late backlash of the war...the past-war generation was growing up and naturally they wanted it to do better than its parents, and since the traditional child-raising, in which the child is taught to respect its elders and never question authorities was seen as part of the reason why the Nazi could rise to power that easily.
    Either way, the idea of terrifying the children didn't fit into the new idea of education, which is the main reason why figures like Knecht Ruprecht or the German equivalent of the boogie man are nowadays nearly forgotten and the Sandman became a cute little guy instead of this terrifying figure who might steal eyes.

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  7. Cor Malum14 December 2013 at 10:26

    Yes, but that system, based entirely upon positive reinforcement -- with no negative reinforcement -- then morphed into a #generation intent only upon instant gratification. And that dovetails nicely with a society based on consumption, consumption and even more consumption...

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  8. swanpride14 December 2013 at 10:40

    I totally loved the scene in which Rosalee and Juliette discussed her Christmas issue...and then, parallel, we have Monroe sharing his trouble with the guys. Though Juliette's advice was more helpful.

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  9. swanpride14 December 2013 at 16:30

    I also just noticed...I think I actually own the recording of the Sängerknaben Monroe plays, or at least one which sounds very similar....
    They have to work a little bit on "fake Austria" though...I mean, they tried so hard, made the street sign in the right colour and all, but it doesn't conceal the fact that the surface sings on the street were in the wrong colour (they should be white) and the sign on the wrong side of the road (it should have been on the right, not on the left).

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  10. swanpride14 December 2013 at 16:34

    You mean the fact that she used to be an addict, her brother was murdered, her family involved with the council and the Lauffeuer and her ex-boyfriend is a freedom fighter was not enough character development for a character who was introduced towards the end of the first season and was absent for most of the second one because the actress was not available?

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  11. Linlighthouse14 December 2013 at 16:51

    FWIW, I just checked IMDB and it has him listed as playing on Grimm from 2011-2014. Could be wrong. Or not.

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  12. kayell14 December 2013 at 18:33

    I think he means the fact that she was just kind of there for romance reasons for the first part of season. Though he could've said it with less excitement and the f bomb

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  13. Leon14 December 2013 at 18:59

    Knecht Rupprecht is still very popular here in the Netherlands (under a different name - Zwarte Piet).

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  14. Diaspora14 December 2013 at 19:26

    She, and yes, this.

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  15. Diaspora14 December 2013 at 19:26

    Eric's too evil to die.

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  16. Cor Malum14 December 2013 at 19:59

    Your "Black Peter" is of more recent origin (19th century) than Knecht Rupprecht, though, isn't he? They're not exactly the same character.

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  17. swanpride15 December 2013 at 02:06

    She has the council Subplot....that is more than enough, especially considering how many characters the show has to juggle. Also the romance is more than just a romance, considering all the implications which are involved in it. I look pretty much forward to their families finding out.
    I adore Rosalee, but I admit, I am glad that they toned her down a little bit and replaced her "I remember something my father did once" with group sessions. They were about to turn her into a Rosalee-ex-machina. Plus, the group meetings are so much fun, I can't get enough of them.

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  18. swanpride15 December 2013 at 03:26

    IMBD is often not up-to-date and in this case, they simply look up if an actor is in the season in question. We did see him in the first episode, and the season ends in 2014.

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  19. swanpride15 December 2013 at 03:36

    I didn't mean that they are the same character, but that terrifying figures in general go out of fashion - the Strubbelpeter for example (a book full of stories in which naughty children get punished in the most gruesome manner) used to be a stable in every household, but hasn't been for a long time. (the Grimm writers might want to read it, I am sure they would find it very - inspiring....)
    It is not really clear how old the concept of the "Black Peter" is...some believe that the "Wer hat angst vorm Schwarzen Mann?" song actually used to refer to the plague and therefore dates back to the middle ages. And what he is or how sinister he is pretty much depends on the region - and the era.

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  20. Linlighthouse15 December 2013 at 05:25

    Nick said he thinks the Krampus should be brought before the council. I like that they are going in that direction. Would like to see Nick and the council leader getting to know each other.

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  21. Leon15 December 2013 at 10:07

    There are more similarities then differences, also there are many different stories about the origins of Black Peter and his purpose has changed over the years, but one of his characteristics is definitely to scare the kids to be brave. With the recent U.N. comments about Black Peter being racist it has been in the news a lot, including a lot of it's history, from what I remember it's basically the same character only changed for our celebration.

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  22. Cor Malum15 December 2013 at 11:26

    You're right in everything you've written and I'm not disputing any of it. My point was just that Krampus or Knecht Rupprecht would be as ubiquitous as Santa Claus, if the advertising industry thought they could make money with them.

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  23. swanpride15 December 2013 at 12:07

    That is certainly true (I am living in the Knecht Ruprecht / Nikolaus/ Christkind area). But I mostly blame the American influence. I wonder how long it takes until Halloween has taken over for Karneval completely.

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  24. Cor Malum15 December 2013 at 13:38

    I don't know. I don't think that America is responsible for selling Christmas stuff (Marzipan, Dominosteine, etc.) , starting on September 1st every year in Germany. My experience has been that Germans like to blame America for superficiality and commercialism, but then proceed to take things to a whole other level -- all on their own.

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  25. swanpride15 December 2013 at 13:54

    Well, to be precise, I blame the US media...all those TV shows and movies centring around Christmas and Halloween have left their impact.

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  26. Cor Malum15 December 2013 at 14:40

    Says someone who follows American shows on a daily basis :-)

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  27. swanpride15 December 2013 at 14:50

    And still doesn't celebrate Halloween....
    I actually also follow shows from other countries.

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  28. Cor Malum15 December 2013 at 15:14

    Na denn...Helau! Oder doch lieber Alaaf? :-)

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  29. swanpride15 December 2013 at 15:28

    Wenn dann Helau (aber ehrlich gesagt...Karneval ist auch nicht gerade mein lieblingsfest...aber wenn, dann bitte auch deutsch....Traditionen sollte man schließlich pflegen)

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  30. João Paulo16 December 2013 at 03:12

    This is definitely the most strong first half of a season of Grimm so far, great episodes, great plot, more characters delevopment and more Grimm stuffs like Nick using the zombie ability and write about new wesen make her own history as Grimm. Bring more.

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  31. playdoc6 January 2014 at 06:04

    This was actually one of my least favorite of this season.

    Monroe and Rosalee - Monroe and Rosalee's interactions were so weird for most of it. Although, it was sweet when Monroe took all the Christmas decorations down and Rosalee found him sleeping on the couch, then the same thing happened in reverse with Monroe finding Rosalee asleep on the couch but Christmas stuff was up again.

    Krampus - Krampus was another interesting variety of wesen. Who knew there could be dormant wesens who didn't know they were wesen? Although, it nagged at me that Nick didn't ask if this sort of thing has ever happened to any of the krampus guy's relatives.

    Wesen Council - I found it interesting that Nick was willing to let the wesen council handle the krampus situation. It shows some measure of trust, or at least respect for their authority and experience with wesen business. I'm interested in finding out more about them, but not too much. If what we are told/shown is about the same amount as what we know about the royals, that'd be great.

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