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USD POLL : Are spin-offs getting too common?
14 Nov 2013
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Yes. And Reboots too.
ReplyDeleteToo many sequels, prequels, spin-offs, reboots, and adaptations of movies as well as foreign shows (Broadchurch on Fox? Really?). Adaptations of literature are okay. The rest is not.
ReplyDeleteI would say not yet, another year of Spin Offs and I would probably switch to a yes. There are way to many remakes though. I should caveat that to say, as long as the spin off is part of a original show and not a remake or spin off itself.
ReplyDeleteyes lets see;
ReplyDeletevampire diaries - originals
once upon a time - wonderland
pretty little liars - ravenswood
now walking dead, arrow and supernatural have spin offs in the works.
Ha, didn´t know about Arrow.
ReplyDeleteyes the flash apparently lol
ReplyDeleteDefinitely, and they're often mediocre. What is the point in making a TV show which will never live up to it's parent show?
ReplyDeleteFor the Love of God yes, stop it!
ReplyDeleteWow, it´s impossible to keep up with everything :D They can do like 100 spin-offs from Arrow, too many characters to choose from :D
ReplyDeleteDon't forget 'Amazon' and 'Hourman' as well. Though both have been put on hold while they work on Flash.
ReplyDeletethats true so many characters :D and stuff hard to keep track
ReplyDeleteReboots and remakes are the worst offenders, spinoffs don't bother me too much but maybe its because not many of the shows I currently watch have any plans for them. Spinoffs can be great I mean look at Frasier but then you can get a Joey instead. I think the problem lately is that the networks are clearly afraid to take risks with new shows so are trying to milk their shows and make them into franchises.
ReplyDeleteIt's trendy to say that they are nowadays, but I don't think so. There are more and more options for TV shows nowadays with cable producing more and more, as well as streaming services even producing their own shows now. Broadcasters continue to provide the same amount of shows. So it's not like other shows are being prevented because of the spinoff for the most part. Besides, if they are common it's because people watch them. Personally, I loved Private Practice and and I am totally sold on The Originals. Wonderland is just ok and it is certain to be cancelled anyway. I am super excited for the walking dead spinoff. If you don't want, don't watch. It's that simple.
ReplyDeletei know CW will have alot of superhero/DC shows on its station soon lol
ReplyDeleteI think networks have actually took a lot of risks lately. Once Upon a Time was a major risk for ABC, the CW took a huge gamble with Arrow last season especially by having it lead-off the night like that. FOX bet heavy on Sleepy Hollow and now Almost Human on Mondays, two sci-fi/fantasy shows out there. NBC gave the best slot on the network last year to Revolution, a surely risky show. CBS is the most conservative network but even them took a lot of risks this year in the comedy department by green lighting something like The Crazy Ones.
ReplyDeleteI think, if anything, the spin-offs provide a nice buffer for networks because they are less risky and allow the networks to take more risks in other slots.
I'm fine with spinoffs - nothing wrong with delving into someone in more detail, when it hasn't been explored before.
ReplyDeleteIt's reboots i have more of a problem with, although i also like audiences being introduced to shows they may not ever see because of its age (I watch loads of old shows, but i realise others don't).
Haha, 3 years later instead of the slogan "TV now" will be "Heroes now"
ReplyDeletelike charmed can you believe it it ended 6 years ago. I doubt it gets made though.
ReplyDeleteSpinoffs and series (book and movie) kinda feel like the enemy of originality. But on the other hand, it's often because there's a character or story who was worth keeping around and expanding. I'm all for originality and finishing the story that you start in a complete way. So I'm voting fewer spinoffs and most certainly fewer sequels. Stop with the 3-part series thing already. Yeah, those bug me more than spinoffs.
ReplyDeletehaha i can see that happening lol
ReplyDeleteI don't like spin-offs and I also don't like that most US shows go on for way too long until you start to ask yourself why you're still watching them.
ReplyDeleteI was think of someone like AMC (obviously not a big network) because its recent new shows have failed are doing both a Breaking Bad and Walking Dead spin off as they have huge scheduling gaps coming up. Like I said though I hate reboots/remakes more!
ReplyDeleteYes, and some of them are pointless.
ReplyDeleteYeah I have to give you a point there with AMC. But I can't really blame them because those two shows (particularly TWD) are on another stratosphere of ratings, so it is understandable that they would rather get 1/3 of those ratings than producing mega flops one after the other. Of course they should keep trying new things (or else they would never have come up with TWD and BB) but they need to guarantee the financial resources to be able to do so and if the spin offs are a way to do so, I don't see anything wrong with it. I am eager for the TWD spin off myself I have to say.
ReplyDeleteYes. I love a good spin off. But the amount of spin offs now just shows a lack of creativity.
ReplyDeleteFor me its not the spin-offs its the reboots.For the most part they have been nothing short of horrible.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think so. But reboots are way worse
ReplyDeleteAre they thinking of rebooting charmed you mean?? I was talking about shows from the 70s and 80s - rebooting a show from 6 years ago is a bit keen!
ReplyDeleteI would have said Yes, if you were talking about Reboots. 'What uuuup!' Kudos for anyone who gets the reference!
ReplyDeleteWhy is everybody going off-topic by bringing up reboots, remakes, etc.? That's a completely unrelated topic.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I don't have any problems with spin-offs whatsoever and I don't think they are getting too common, they are just getting more buzz and attention.
There comes a moment when you sit down to watch your favorite show, and you genuinely ask yourself: "Could a spin-off be made from this?" And when you realize that you actually cannot answer no, then yes, spin-offs have become too common.
ReplyDeleteFor me The Originals is MUCH better than TVD and I only started watching because I like Elijah. Never a fan of Klaus or Hayley or the baby story, but it has been super good. TVD, for me has gotten boring.
ReplyDeleteThe reboots are what I don't like, some of the spin offs have been good. I don't worry about a show being a spin off, if I like the plot I will give it a shot and I am more likely to try a spin off of a show I have liked..NCIS & NCIS:LA, TVD & The Originals( in this case the spin off is better than the original.)
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how most of these qualify as risky. CW had a 10-year hit with Smallville, so Arrow does not seem like a huge risk in that context, even with its grimmer/grittier tone--after all, they've also had a multi-year hit with the grim and gritty Supernatural. Sleepy Hollow follows in the pawprints of a plethora of other supernatura/paranormal shows that have been very successful; what I've seen of it does not seem to me to bring much innovative to the mix. Revolution comes from the creators between them of several other hit shows (and admittedly a few duds or qualified successes, but I doubt anyone really sees investing in anything JJ Abrams as "risky"--though it might be "stupid"). The Crazy Ones may be a bad show, but I suspect the perceived marquee value of Robin Williams and Sarah Michelle Gellar made it seem like a reasonably good bet. As for Once upon a Time . . . I don't know, maybe, certainly (and laying aside questions of how well it did the job) it has more of a different take on the supernatural tropes than most shows, but it also is firmly--explicitly--grounded in the Disney versions of the characters, which I assume offered some reasonable assurances of a huge audience that would at least give it a chance. Almost Human is just a variation on the oddball buddy trope, and in fact is a retread idea itself, one that has been tried (not terribly successfully it must be said) several times before--but it carries the bouquet of Abrams, too, to make it seem like a likely winner.
ReplyDeleteAt this point I'm seriously torn. On the one hand too many spin-offs have been announced (Flash, Supernatural spin-off, Walking Dead spin-off etc.) while two have already been unleashed on us. Once Upon a Time in Wonderland had weak four entry episodes that pushed me away from the series and certainly proved me that the decision to make this a fall series was wrong. OuaTiW is kinda bad.
ReplyDeleteOn the other we have the Originals, something that, in my eyes, has surpased its mothership. A shows that fully embraces TVDs strengths and leaves out the weaknesses.
At this point I can't tell you. None of the recently announced spin-offs really grab me. The Flash has the disadvantage of casting a WAY to off actor for that part (and if you have seen his Glee episodes you'll see how off), the Supernatural spin-off is risky as SPN lives and falls with Sam and Dean plus has a premise that makes me cringe and I don't see what could be done with a Walking Dead spin-off that hasn't been done on the mothership.
Too early to tell.
Now if they'd do a Dawn or Faith spin-off to Buffy, a Sam Axe spin-off to Burn Notice, a Eric/Alcide/Pam/Bill spin-off to True Blood, a Elliot/Parker/Hardison spin-off to Leverage, a Cas spin-off to Supernatural or simply bring back Torchwood I'd be completely up for it as these characters could ressurect their franchises (Buffy, Burn Notics, Leverage, Torchwood) or simply keep the brand alive (True Blood, Supernatural) for a couple of more years.
The fact that there's a spin-off called The Originals is hilariously ironic.
ReplyDeleteYou could actually also call Flash a reboot, since there was a short-lived Flash TV series . . . must be over ten years ago now. Didn't last a season. I think it was on some time during the run of Lois and Clark.
ReplyDeleteI know, never seen it tough. Personally I don't see how 'The Flash' could work in Arrows 'no superpowers allowed'-ish universe.
ReplyDeleteThat being said Smallvilles 'Impulse' could've worked
It does make sense in terms of the storyline
ReplyDeleteWell, what would you qualify as a risky show then? A show with a big budget? I disagree with you in most of your points.
ReplyDelete- Arrow came to the CW after two years in which the furthest thing the network had on a weekday from a teen soap was Nikita and TVD. It was entirely out of their comfort zone by then and they were eve bold enough to let it self start. That's a gamble.
- I don't think there's been that many fantasy shows successful to broad audiences. Grimm has found its niche on Fridays and so has Supernatural on the cw, but Sleepy Hollow is the first broad show on this area to be successful. OUAT doesn't really fit with this genre imo. So I think Sleepy Hollow was a big gamble
- Coming from the creators of several hit shows means 0% for a show's success, hence 0% for the risk it entails. Free Agents was from JJ Abrams and lasted 2 episodes. Revolution (and all these apolcalyptic shows) are very risky
- The Crazy Ones is a single camera comedy whose style of humour is totally off brand from CBS. How come that isn't risky?
- Once Upon a Time may have had the Disney backroung but I was around 2 years ago when everyone on the Internet was voting on polls predicting it to be the first show to be cancelled despite the fact that it would premiere only in November. The show was a HUGE gamble as it is probably the most out-there and original concept of any TV show I've ever seen.
- Almost Human may be the riskless show out of those I've mentioned, and I probably shouldn't have included since we haven't even seen it yet, but I generally think these sci-fi shows are fairly risky, as opposed to your run of the mill procedural or medical show.
Yes, although I am loving The Originals.
ReplyDeleteSome shows 'need' a spin off... like The Walking Dead.. would LOVE to see a zombie attack in another city like New York or see how it effects a 'none urban' state like Texas etc.. I love the initial outbreaks so I think thats necessary.. countless hours of entertainment.
ReplyDeleteBut a show like Pretty Little Liars getting a spin off is so so stupid.. the show can't even sort its own messy plotholes out let alone start a new show about the supernatural. Its like giving Christina Yang super powers and a pointy hat out of nowhere - dumb.
People are becoming too lazy to create something new and unique, I think... And since some TV shows are already very popular, they just use the fan base and part of the story plot.
ReplyDeleteThe only spin-off that I'm looking forward to is Breaking Bad spin-off. Better call Saul :)
ReplyDeleteOne thing TVD has never been accused of,that is boring!!storylines are a little messy now,but why are you comparing a show soon completing 100 episodes with it's spin-off who has hardly crossed 7 episodes,of course it will be good.remember TVD season 1 quality?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on the spinoff. I preferred Angel to Buffy. The Originals is really good. Frasier was well regarded and did well. OTOH there have been poorly made spinoffs Jonie Loves Chachi, The Ropers, After Mash. It depends on what the new show chooses to build on in the spinoff and what kind of production values, acting and writing go into it.
ReplyDeleteYou DID see I said FOR ME it is boring?? Not a fan of loveable Damon or college or Elena the last 2 seasons. The chemistry has gone from the show..FOR ME.
ReplyDeleteWell, for me, just as an example, The Crazy Ones would have been risky in my opinion if it starred, say, Gilbert Gottfreid rather than Robin Williams.
ReplyDeleteI'd agree that the reality with Abrams is risk, given that a bunch of his shows have not succeeded, but I'd differentiate between the perception and the reality on that front. Abrams is, I think it's fair to say, perceived as a hot property. Without his name attached to them, probably Revoluton and Almost Human wouldn't have been greenlit, but I think Abrams carries the smell of success regardless of his spotty record, to the perception of risk is mitigated. Do network execs look at an Abrams proposal and think, "hmm, this show is a big gamble"? or "hmm, this guy struck gold with Lost and is a big Hollywood name; lightning might strike again"? (Same point probably applies to SHIELD--big-budget SF/comics-oriented show with no real marquee names in the regular cast on the one hand, but current Hollywood golden boy Joss Whedon behind the wheel otoh.. . .)
You are of course right that genre--or, more accurately, genres like SF or fantary or horror, rather than genres like the police procedural--do tend to be riskier, in that they tend to draw niche rather than mass audiences. It's probably more risky for a network that wants/needs audiences of ten million plus to invest in such a show--though Walking Dead numbers have probably led to a lot of rethinking of the potential audiences for such genre shows, even on the networks. OTOH, they are also the kinds of show that while they might attract smaller audiences also tend to attract more devoted audiences, so the possibilities for ancillary marketing (which don't necessarily benefit the networks, but do increase the likelihood of profitability) are higher.
But when I look at, say, Sleepy Hollow, I don't see something that looks innovative; I see something that looks like an attempt to replicate the success of Grimm, Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, etc. It seems to me to be treading what is now a pretty well-worn and proven path to at least a degree of success. Nor, much as I enjoy Arrow--I think it's a well-crafted, complex show--does it seem like that huge a leap in the recent/current TV landscape, especially on a network that considers shows with audiences well under ten million considerable successes. If Reign wasn't basically teen soap opera in the 16th century, I'd say it was a far riskier endeavour than Arrow, as historical drama on network TV is pretty rare. So, I guess you could say that, for me, I would think of a risky show as one that really tries to be unlike everything, or most everything, out there--the way Glee was when it started, say. I do think it's fair to say that OUAT had some--maybe a lot-- of that, too, but again, OUAT without the explicit invocation of the Disney versions (not to mention a pedigreed cast) would have seemed, to me, a far riskier propsal.
Oh, I know, but don't you wonder whether someone during the development process said, "hey, wouldn't it be really funny if we call this spin-off The Originals"? I'd like to think they had that level of self-awareness, and a sense of humour.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget all the CSIs! Vegas (original), Miami, NY, and Los Angeles! Then you have remakes of Hawaii 5-O too.
ReplyDeleteI second that.
ReplyDeleteTO is much more interesting than TVD. And so much fun too. I like that the characters aren't held back by the crappy TVD morality, which is "don't kill any human unless a major characters' life is on the line, then that's okay".
Yeah CBS ordered a pilot script for a Charmed reboot: http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/reboot-of-charmed-is-in-the-works-at-cbs.html?mid=twitter_vulture
ReplyDeletetbh i think to an extent they are trying to keep a franchise going too early on arrow casting the flash in the way of spinning it off into its own show i can see why though mean like arrow has been a consistant ratings winner so they want more like it in a spin off but spin offs dont allways work out friends ended and they spinned it off with joey which flumped after 2 seasons
ReplyDeletecriminal minds had the criminal content which didnt make it past 13 episodes so spin offs dont allways work but never know things might work out
are you really arguing about morality of TO? didn't elijah just kill agnes coz precious hayley's life was on line.klaus bit his own brother coz they had an arguement.becky started sleeping with marcel inspite of their complicated history!! don't get me wrong,i also love TO along with TVD,but it feels like since this spin-off came,all are really eager to find fault in tvd.no show is perfect!!
ReplyDeleteDefinitely!
ReplyDeleteno point arguing then.we have to wait for TO to survive that long to see that if the chemistry is still retained then!!
ReplyDeleteGeez, learn to read..he was talking about morality of TVD NOT TO.
ReplyDeleteYea kinda but I dont mind some, The Originals is too good for a spinoff
ReplyDeleteYa its not just spin offs its reboots of shows form years ago. There are no original ideas.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! I tolerated the love triangle but I just can't do it anymore. I love the originals. Even my father watches the originals.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't agree with you more. There are some brilliant spinoffs, but it seems most are shadows of their parent shows. We just have to take them one by one.
ReplyDeleteI will forever fight for a Faith spinoff! Love that character so damn much.
ReplyDeleteHah, that never even occurred to me.
ReplyDeleteI read it fine.you shouldn't talk about tvd morality when the situation is same in TO.but talking to you like banging the head against walls!!and surely my opinion will not change your hatred towards tvd,so please leave it be.you keep your opinion and i will keep mine!!
ReplyDeleteNo. Crappy spin-offs that do the same thing in a different city? Yes.
ReplyDeleteSometimes the spin-offs are better than the original show. Angel comes to mind, and I know there are those that prefer NCIS:LA, the other Stargate shows, The Originals, and other spin-offs to the mothership sows.
As long as the spin-off isn't a clone of the original I'm fine with them.
Yes. However its not necessarily always a bad thing I suppose, it depends on the show. It can either be really bad or good.
ReplyDeleteHow bizarre!
ReplyDeleteActually, if you are talking about the flash series that aired on ABC, that came out in 1990 and lasted 1 full 22 episode season run. Lois and Clark came a few years later in 1993.
ReplyDeleteI suspect I am--unless there has been more than one Flash series--and no doubt misremembered. Thanks for the correct information! It actually lasted a full seasons did it? Hmm. Maybe I stopped watching before it ended....
ReplyDeleteNope that was the only one Flash series that I know of and I'm DC FANATIC. I consider it to be pretty decent given the time it was made and the fact that it was more character driven and family oriented than I'm sure this CW version is destined to be.
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