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The Walking Dead 4.04 "Indifference" Review: Should You Stay or Should You Go

Nov 7, 2013

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    This week’s episode of The Walking Dead, “Indifference,” was written by Matt Negrete and directed by Tricia Brock. If you read my preview, you have some idea of how completely caught off guard I was by the ending and my shock at losing Carol (Melissa McBride) in such a way. Both Negrete and Brock are new to the show, but both worked together to deliver a powerful episode that fit seamlessly into the series.

    In contrast to last week’s episode, we get almost no news on what’s happening in quarantine or even in the prison as most of the episode takes place outside the prison, following parallel storylines of Daryl’s (Norman Reedus) team and Rick (Andrew Lincoln) and Carol scavenging for supplies. In a poignant counterpoint, Daryl brings one of their members closer while Rick banishes one of their original members.

    This episode dovetails nicely with the very first episode of the season. Rick asks Sam (Robin Lord Taylor) and Ana (Brina Palencia), whom he and Carol find holed up in the bathroom of a house, the three questions: How many walkers have you killed? How many people have you killed? Why? We don’t actually get to see them answer the questions, but it’s enough to bring them back to our mind, and in the end, it’s Carol who has to answer those questions satisfactorily for Rick to bring her back to the prison. It’s actually a wonder that the two they find had survived at all. Their appearance is in contrast to Clara’s from the first episode. They are relatively clean but are both physically injured. Clara, of course, was mentally injured.

    Carol is able to help Sam by setting his dislocated shoulder. Rick is impressed that she’s able to do it so easily. In some ways, I wonder if taking her out on the raid was also a way for Rick to judge if she was strong enough to be on her own. Which is one of the most annoying things about Rick banishing her! Carol has grown and changed so much to be one of the characters I like best – she was completely annoying when she was weak and a victim. At this point she is on the verge of losing her humanity, however. We get some terrific insight into both Rick and Carol’s backgrounds. We learn that Rick and Laurie had worked to create a family that made bad pancakes on Sunday morning; they’d both sacrificed and worked to become a close knit unit. Carol, on the other hand, had stayed with her abusive husband because she was afraid to be alone. She’s been isolated most of her life, and she learned how to set her own dislocated shoulder on the Internet to avoid having to lie at the hospital about how it happened. Was she weak to stay or strong to survive? Given how far she’s come, I’d argue for the later. I’d also argue that she’s strong enough to survive.

    Sam and Ana want to help Rick and Carol scavenge. Rick wants them to stay safe because they’re not 100%, but they insist, saying, “You can’t carry us. It doesn’t work that way. We want to help.” This reinforces the need to work together and echoes what Rick tells Clara in the first episode that people are the best defense against walkers. There is also another metaphor at work here that ties into the very title of the show. The walking dead doesn’t only refer to the walkers, it also refers to the living who all carry the virus within them and will turn as soon as they die. It also refers to the loss of humanity that so many of them are experiencing. Beth’s lack of reaction to Zack’s death in the first episode, for instance, is disturbing, yet in the last episode, she is struggling to contemplate losing her father. As the old attachments die and those feeling fade, it seems to be more and more difficult for the survivors to form new ones. Carol immediately corrects Lizzie when Lizzie calls her mom and tells her not to call her that. Later Rick asks why she never speaks Sophia’s name, and Carol’s response is basically emotionless – she’s distanced herself from the pain. Rick asks Carol if she thinks it’s right to let the kids come back with them when they could catch the flu and die. Carol answers completely pragmatically and says “Yes, if they’re strong enough to help us.” Carol’s focus has become entirely selfish. But then perhaps it always was. She stayed with her husband because she feared to be alone with no thought to what it might mean to Sophia.

    Carol keeps challenging Rick to talk about her having killed Karen and David. Rick has been a good leader because he thinks about his decisions, he gathers evidence and weighs it, and it felt like he was doing that throughout the episode. Carol even tells him that he can be a farmer if he likes, but he can’t just be that – he can’t walk away from his greater responsibility to the group. It’s this prodding that ironically leads to his banishing her. Carol expresses regret over having to do what she did, but not remorse. Perhaps it’s her past abuse that allows her to simply accept her fate this one last time. She does challenge Rick, however, and reminds him that he killed one of their own first. He defends himself by reminding her that Shane was trying to kill him. Carol’s reply is convincing. She felt like Karen and David’s disease was threatening the lives of everyone at the prison – not just her own. She did what she felt she had to for the group to survive. She tells Rick, “You don’t have to like what I did. You just accept it.” Is it possible that Rick is holding on to societal standards that are no longer applicable in this new world? Does the good of the many outweigh the good of the one? Is Rick’s banishing Carol to save her or to protect the rest of the group? It's telling that Carol's last act is to give her watch - that was an anniversary gift from her husband - to Rick. It's a symbol of Carol's doing anything not to be alone, and it's also a symbol of the order of society. It may also signify that Carol's time is up. I love how much this show makes us consider these deeper questions.

    Meanwhile, Daryl’s team manages to make it through the forest, find a vehicle, get it running, and make it to the Veterinary College. Tyreese’s (Chad L. Coleman) anger is still threatening to get himself and the others killed. Michonne (Danai Gurira) tells him that “anger makes you stupid and stupid gets you killed.” He accuses her of being driven by anger, and she admits that she was at one time, but now she is motivated by the fact that killing the Governor is simply the right thing to do. But it gets her thinking, and combined with Daryl’s plea not to keep going out looking by herself, she tells him at the end of the episode that she’s going to stop looking, that she doesn’t have to go out anymore. Daryl, who also spent much of his previous life as a loner with an abusive family, has embraced this new family too.

    In contrast, we also see Bob (Lawrence Gilliard Jr) who confesses his drinking problem to Daryl and confesses it was his picking up a bottle that got Zack killed. Bob tells Daryl that he almost didn’t come back with him when he first met Daryl because he was done being a “witness” – he’d been the last survivor of two groups already. Bob drinks to numb the horror, but like the others, it becomes more and more difficult to survive losing people and to form attachments knowing that is likely to happen. Bob tells Tyreese that it’s easier to keep moving because for him it means not forming attachments and having to lose anyone else. Predictably, Tyreese disagrees – he still looks for comfort with others. In the end, the only thing in the bag that almost gets Bob killed is a partially full bottle of alcohol. He’s taken no medicine to help the rest of the group, and that’s what Daryl can’t sanction.

    I think that when Daryl finds out that Rick has decided all on his own to banish Carol that Daryl will lose it. He and Carol have a special bond and really helped each other become vital members of the group. There’s been a strong proportion of the viewership who have long been lobbying for a relationship beyond friendship between the two. I have a strong suspicion that Daryl is going to go out after Carol regardless of what the rest of the group has to say about it. And I have to wonder if Michonne will let him go alone.

    This was a very powerful episode with fantastic performances by all, but especially McBride. I really hope that we haven’t seen the last of her. I’m also wondering if our days at the prison are numbered (I’m pretty sure I know they are!). I had the distinct impression that Rick was also weighing the pros and cons of staying in one place or keeping moving. From a completely practical perspective they are having to forage further and further afield. What did you think of the episode? Is Carol gone for good? Did Rick make the right call? What do you think Daryl’s reaction is going to be? Let me know your thoughts in the comments below.

30 comments:

  1. I believe Daryl will be upset but I don't know if he'll go after Carol. He wanted to punish the killer almost as much as Tyreese did. I do believe Carol will be back later though. Part of me worries she'll join The Governor or get captured by him but the other part of me believes she'll end up with a group that sooner or later Rick and the remaining survivors from the fallen prison will join. She'll be reunited with them but their relationship won't be the same. I feel Bob will eventually die but he'll give up his life to save another's possibly Daryl's. I see a relationship forming between Daryl and Michonne but I also see one forming between Tyreese and Michonne. It'll be interesting to see who she gets close to. As for Rick's decision I feel that he jumped the gun. Carol's not dangerous but she is losing her humanity. She stabbed Karen in the head without hesitation or provocation. Yes Rick did kill Shane but he gave him many opportunities to change his mind. I'm very interested to see what is said when Rick returns. Will he lie or will he tell everyone the truth? If he lies and Carol pops up later Rick will be looked at as being untrustworthy but if he tells the truth and Carol pops up later who knows how everyone will react to her.

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  2. I don't think there is any possibility that Rick will lie. I'm sure he'll tell the truth about Carole. I thought I say some sparks between Daryl and Michonne too! That could be a very interesting relationship... I agree that we will see Carole again. It would be really interesting if she ended up leading another group that then comes into some kind of conflict with Rick's.

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  3. 404 was a very good episode with amazing performances.
    I think we won't see Carol for a very long time, which makes me sad because I kind of liked her since the beginning.


    I don't know how I feel about Rick's decision, part of me thinks it was the right move, part of me doesn't.


    Great review, though! I enjoyed reading :)

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  4. Thanks so much! Such a hard decision and I think there was a good case made by both Rick and Carole. I'd really come to like her a lot in the last two seasons.

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  5. Excellent write-up! Yes, I believe we will see Carol again and perhaps soon. Nothing in McBride's interviews sounded like she had said farewell to the show.

    Did Rick make the right call? Yes. Carol has already parted from the team with her sneaky behavior and disrespect for others. Her speech to Carl about why she did that--because "maybe they'll understand, maybe they won't" is simply arrogant, and evidence that she believes that she, and only she, knows the right way to do things. In her mind everyone else (Rick, in particular) is too soft, too hopeful, and overthinks. Rick made the best choice and it was compassionate. He made sure she'd be okay on her own. If the group disagrees, they can look for her and bring her back. Now, if Rick comes back to the group with a lie about how it went down, I'll lose my respect, because he'll be doing just what Carol did to get herself banished.

    My two cents, I have a feeling when we look back on this episode, we might realize that what was going on with Carl is equally interesting. He's growing into someone who could be as good, or a better, leader than his father. He may have been impulsive when he was a year younger, but he's matured. He made cogent arguments to Carol in disagreement of her actions. He knew enough when to shoot a walker and when to leave one alone. He made a wise choice to disclose Carol's secret to his father. I'd say he's the one to watch.

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  6. One way to think about Rick's decision is that it's not necessarily final. He did not kill Carol, but he left her a way to find the others or for them to find her, if desired.

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  7. I really felt like he was testing her and watching her to make sure she would have a good fighting chance on her own. It's not final and it was actually pretty humane.

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  8. Definitely agree - Carl is definitely the one to watch.

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  9. This comment was great. You're right if Rick does lie to the group he's no better than Carol. Carol has been, in Lisa's words, a bit selfish acting not just this season but altogether. She let Sophia live in hell with Ed, she not once helped the group search for her, up until this episode she never left the prison to help on runs or anything, she trained children to fight without their parent's permission, and she killed two innocent individuals without provocation. She wouldn't even attend Sophia's memorial. Sam might still be alive but she made the decision to just leave him (alone now). As for Carl he has matured. It was good for him to stand back a bit to gain a middle line in his actions. Before he wouldn't have hesitated to kill the walker with the bear trap but he showed restraint. Before he would've sided with Carol's training of the kids. He's grown a lot. He's no longer a child soldier in the making but instead a leader in the making.

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  10. In the comics after leaving the prison Rick and the remaining survivors found a community which Rick eventually took over before Negan began showing up. It'd be something if they go with that storyline and Carol ends up with that community. We've also seen that three characters have been cast to play Rosita, Abraham, and Eugene. Maybe Carol will be with them.

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  11. Judging only by the way he seemed ready to run after her - not to mention, the tears in his eyes as he kept looking back at the rearview mirror - Rick didn't banish Carol to protect the group, he banished her to protect her from Tyreese.


    Rick told her the absolute worse thing he could say to keep Carol away from his and her children, but he gave her enough supplies for a week (despite they were in the middle of an outbreak). He did this for him, but he let her live. He told her no one in the group would want her around, but he kept looking back to her and he was part of the group.


    Rick did this to make sure Carol would survive, to put as much distance between her and Tyreese as possible.

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  12. Not a strong part, a part. Those that want the relationship are not the totality or even the majority but I will say this....Daryl has changed immensely. Those wanting or thinking he's going to "go off" on Rick I guess have missed his development from the days of Season 1 when he DID react that way. That's the old Daryl, that's not this Daryl and this Daryl, I do not think, would abandon an ENTIRE group of people who trust and rely on him, give him worth and have never deceived, lied, betrayed or murdered anyone in the group the way she has....

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  13. He's not going after her. Hes' not going to just leave that group behind.

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  14. Oh, and I don't see anything about what Carol did. She murdered two of their own. She apparently doesn't trust their bond as much as she's supposed to or she would have told him about what she was going to, and eventually, did. But she didn't. She's not weak, she's not some lost little lamb alone in the forest either incapable of taking care of herself. And she's not that far from the prison either, if she thought she had a leg to stand on, she could and would get back to the prison.

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  15. And it's not like she can't find her way back either. She doesn't need to be found, she's not some schlep.

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  16. Daryl considers the group family and Carol is part of that family. She's the first member he really formed a bond with and that bond has grown over the seasons. Regardless of what Carol has done I can't imagine Daryl abandoning her like Rick did. I think he'll halve his time at the prison to go out and search for her when he can.

    Remember that Daryl stood by Merle last season even after he knew Merle kidnapped and tortured Maggie and Glenn. Daryl wanted everyone to accept Merle at the prison despite what Merle had done because Merle was family and Daryl doesn't abandon family. I expect him to show that same loyalty to Carol.

    Especially since Daryl agreed with Andrea last season when she pointed out that no one can survive alone now. No way he's going to leave Carol on her own.

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  17. Great article! I think you're right about Daryl. I think he's going to be very upset and I do think it's possible that he goes after Carol. She means too much to him to just shrug it off. And if you think about it would make it even more interesting as well because Rick thought he was doing something to 'protect' Carl and Judith and everyone else by sending Carol away but actually, if Daryl leaves it will end up *weakening* the entire prison and possibly leaving them more vulnerable than ever so his decision will have heavy consequences.

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  18. I don't think Rick's motives are that altruistic to be honest. In fact, I don't think Carol's well-being factored into his decision at all. Even Daryl has admitted he couldn't survive on his own and he's one of the strongest, most resourceful members of the group.


    I feel that Rick leaving Carol on her own in hostile territory is practically a death sentence. Even the strongest person needs help every once in awhile. Remember when Carol stabbed a walker with her knife and the blade ended up getting stuck in its head while more walkers advanced on her? Imagine that scenario with no one to help. A single person can easily be overwhelmed. There are herds of zombies out there and hostile people like the Governor.


    I think Carol will survive because there are rumors Melissa McBride is still filming, but as far as Rick is concerned I feel he left her out there to die.

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  19. I keep coming back to Carl and what Rick did the last time he killed someone, but he was able keep his son because that boy's mother wasn't Tyreese, and Rick didn't have that luxury with Carol this time around.


    Rick knew how much Carol cares about them, she just killed two people for it. If he was to make sure that no harm would ever come to her, Rick had to tell Carol he didn't want her back home, that even if she was the last woman on earth, he didn't want her near his family.


    Rick told Carol he was doing this for himself, but the last time he did something like this for himself Shane ended up dead, not driving a car filled with provisions after Rick accepted his one year anniversary gift.

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  20. That's what I'm wondering too...

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  21. Yes! I think this is an excellent assessment of Daryl's feelings about family and the group. He'll never abandon the group, but neither will he abandon Carol.

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  22. Thanks! Yes. I definitely think that will be a consequence that Rick doesn't foresee.

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  23. Great review! Great episode! Can't wait until next week!

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  24. Amanda Randall BankerNovember 8, 2013 at 6:37 AM

    Loved this: "The walking dead doesn’t only refer to the walkers, it also refers to
    the living who all carry the virus within them and will turn as soon as
    they die. It also refers to the loss of humanity that so many of them
    are experiencing."

    I find that incredibly profound and true of this ongoing saga of survivors (that just so happens to include zombies).

    I have to say...I wasn't all that surprised with Rick told Carol she couldn't come back with them. I was actually waiting for her to die, but this was worse. I don't know that it's a given that she can't survive on her own. She's proven that she's capable and has supplies and can and will do what's necessary. If she's careful, she can make it until she finds another group. And I also don't think we've lost her; I expect her to be back with the Prison Group before the end of the season.

    Which brings me to what Rick will tell everyone else -- especially Daryl. I'm holding my judgment on whether he will tell the complete truth. I think the best choice would be to say what she did, why she said she did it, and that he told her, as their leader, she could not return. They don't have jails (which is actually ironic, if you think about it) or courts or judges or jury's. They have no way but wild-west type judgement to deal with someone who confesses to murder. And not killing a walker, but outright murder. It doesn't matter if there was a "good reason" or if it was for the greater good -- Carol killed two people.

    As someone else pointed out, Carl got away with it, too, but Carl was a kid and it was an intense situation. It was easier for the group to justify what he'd done. But with Carol, while I personally understand her reasons, that was pretty harsh. So, I think Rick did the only thing he could do -- to both protect Carol from the wrath of Tyreese and have to witness her death or kill someone else to protect her and to draw a line between what is and is not accepted in their community.

    The big thing for me will be what he tells everyone else. That is when I'll judge Rick. Because sending her away is only part of it.

    As for Daryl, he's been my draw to the show since the moment he came on screen and he continues to fascinate me. He's latched on to this group, this family, and he will go down fighting for and protecting them. Even knows the new guys well enough to know that a particular stone would appeal to one of them. He has empathy and the ability to share it with Bob as he tells him "you're not standing alone" when Bob confessed to being a 'witness', and the wrath he muzzled when he found out that Bob had a bottle in his backpack and not medicine took my breath away. The angry man we met in season 1 is still there, just under the surface, and is just as dangerous -- just now he has a reason and ability to channel it or rein it in.

    And I like his connection to Michonne, the way he was able to get through to her. He's not sensitive and tortured like Rick -- he doesn't exude the same level of need for emotional connection -- but he still has that subtle way of saying just the right thing that makes people pause and think and his way of throwing himself wholly after whatever he has to in order to keep people safe has transformed him into a leader just as necessary as Rick.

    Which is why I worry most about how the burden of news Rick brings back will affect Daryl.

    Can't wait to tune in next week. :) Great review.

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  25. I don't think you would let Carol return if you were in Rick's shoes. There's nothing you can say that would have any logical point, she lost all her humanity. There's no salvation for her. Carol brought a new darkness that made Rick turned again, dark, he's freaking out not for him, but for Carl. Actually you look into Carol's eyes and what you see? Nothing. There's nothing! Having kids around is a chance Rick doesn't want to take and you would have done the fucking same, so stop arguing.

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  26. Thanks! Yes - Daryl and Rick bring many of the same components but in different measure which makes them an interesting and effective team. I'm really interested in how the kids are adapting - how their "humanity" is being affected in all this. Lizzie seems weak because she still has empathy for the dead - but is that a bad thing? Carol has been such a force over the kids - no doubt given that task to help her heal from Sophia (ironic!). I think that's one of the biggest reasons Rick didn't want her back - the model of harsh pragmatism she was teaching to the kids.
    UGH! I've seen the screener for tomorrow night!!! Another killer episode coming!!!

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  27. Thanks! So easy to review this show - the writing and the acting just nail it week in and week out!

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  28. Melissa McBride just rocked this - think of how different Carol is from season one! What an amazingly talented actor.
    I totally agree with what you say here - I think you are completely right. The only way Rick would ever let Carol back in is if she somehow regained her humanity and showed real remorse for what she did. And I can't see that happening...

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