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Supernatural – Episode 9.08 – Rock and a Hard Place – Review

Nov 29, 2013

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Usually I try to stay away from reading too many fan reactions before I write these reviews, but this time I did, and with the heavy volume of hate for what seemed like a light, funny – if extremely shallow – episode, I started to second-guess my own reactions. So I got a second opinion.

As I rewatched, I did so with a friend who doesn’t watch the show, and who is very tuned into racism, sexism, and every other “ism” out there. She laughed during the Sam and Dean’s introduction to the APU “Abstinence Purifies Us” bond.  She laughed when Dean took his turn explaining why he came to the group meeting and thought he was really going anger the women. She thought it was overdone when the scene started turning it into a When Harry Met Sally skit, and that it took away from what could have been a very funny scene (so did I). After the sex scene with Dean and Suzy, I asked if she found anything offensive. Her surprised, “What??” answered my question. She added, “It’s a silly show,” (I concurred), and then she got up to play on her computer during the rest of the episode.

So my reactions were pretty much the same (except for wanting to drop the show in the second half). I loved Sam and Dean’s reactions as they pretended to be onboard to becoming born-again virgins to solve the case. Jared and Jenson have great chemistry, and these two do a fantastic job with comedy with the subtlety of their expressions. I loved that spunky Jody was back and finally got a chance to kill the bad buy (or goddess, in this case). The guests getting the kill has become a too-frequent habit, but in this case, Jody has earned it.

This was mostly very juvenile humor, and I’ll admit, and I rolled my eyes when I saw the promos and learned the theme was going to be virgins again. But I found the episode funny and thought it had an old-Supernatural feel to it (not a seasons 1-2 feel, but a seasons 3-5 feel). I was surprised to read reactions that that for some the show was sexist, racist (apparently because it poked fun at Mexican porn?), anti-virgin, anti-porn, and there’s probably more. Sexism and racism do occur and are much too prevalent in the media, but in my opinion this was just a silly episode.  Yes, Dean was objectifying women, but that’s Dean, and has been since season 1. It made sense that he would see being in a room full of virgins a challenge. Given how much time Dean spends with porn, it made sense that having an opportunity to recreate porn with a favorite star would be a fantasy come true. Suzy’s character was poorly written, but really now, how may guests on this show have much depth? So on to the review …

The Highlights

Sam’s sleepy. Very sleepy. He doesn’t feel like his battery is being recharged. The line of questioning that follows is interrupted by a call from Jody who has a case for them. People – we’re later to learn people who have taken a pre-marital chastity vow – are being dragged off by a super-strong being in a flash of blue fire.

With virgins and fire in mind, Sam and Dean assume dragons, but that turns out to be false. Great line from Jody: “Dragons are a thing?” Sam and Dean work the case, while Dean works Suzy (the hot, ex-porn star turned virginity counselor). Like the other victims, Dean and Suzy are taken away in blue fire after they’ve broken their chastity vows.

Jody and Sam’s research efforts, combined with Dean’s good-thinking habit of always having a second phone on him, lead Jody and Sam to the truth that the kidnapper is Vesta, the goddess of hearth and home, and the two are able to pinpoint Dean’s location for a rescue that hits some snags as Sam gets knocked out and Jody stabbed in the shoulder/chest area. Jody gets the kill in the end as Dean is forcing his way out of his prison with a, What did I miss?"

Before we said goodbye to Vesta, though, she told Sam that his liver is no good and that he’s being held together by duct tape and safety pins. This is the second monster of the week this season that has tried to eat Sam. Apparently Zeke has been slacking on the job, or has been up to something else. When Sam tells Dean that maybe it’s just him, and that he’s never going to be right, Dean starts to tell Sam the truth about Zeke when Zeke rudely interrupts. Zeke - you better watch it. It’s one thing to mess with Sam and Dean, but you don’t want to mess with the SPN fandom by interrupting revered brother moments.

The Good

As I said above, it was so nice to see Sam and Dean both getting to react naturally to a comedic situation. And the best part – Sam didn’t have to leave the room while Dean interacted with the guest star. In fact, Sam had more meaningful interaction with the recurring character. But despite the fact that Jody seems to be paired more with Sam, she doesn’t show favoritism, and Dean doesn’t have to awkwardly leave the room so that Sam and Jody can have a private goodbye.

Another good is that Jody was back with her moxie and down-home perspective. She was a character introduced before the convention of introducing cartoonishly silly recurring characters became popular with the writers – so it’s good to have her back. She brings a pre-season-6 vibe to the show.

The Bad

We had another mostly filler episode adding one more to a very long streak of fillers. Fans get impatient when there are so many in a row, and this can turn perceptions negative for an episode that might be better received if placed in a different part of the season.

I have a few nitpicky gripes. The first is Dean not answering his phone for Sam, although to give him the benefit of the doubt, it was bad timing, for all Dean knew, it might have been Zeke on the line, and Dean did listen to the voicemail at the first chance he got.

The second and third are connected to Jody and Sam’s conversation about church. The first is that when Jody was listing off events that made her want to seek out religion, I expected her son being brought back from the dead as a zombie and eating her husband to be on the list.

The second is that this was a missed opportunity to get some insight into Sam and his views on faith. Sam has always felt damaged, but he’s never up until now wanted to die (if this is where the show is going). Despite his feeling of being a freak, he was the one to see a silver lining and hope for his future when Dean has often felt trapped. Hearing when and if his views on faith changed could have been a step in connecting the many dots the writers still have left if they’re going to make a narrative that Sam is suddenly suicidal make sense.

The Speculation

So let’s talk about duct tape and safety pins. Exactly how long does it take an angel to heal a person? If angels have the power to raise the dead and bring someone back from Hell, do they not have the power to reverse what’s going on with Sam’s body?

I’m thinking at this point, Dean should just tell Sam the truth so that Sam can expel him. They can find a place where reapers can’t find them (maybe reapers don’t know about the bunker) until they can find another solution.

28 comments:

  1. I didn't expect to enjoy this episode given the whole chastity affair but I really did, It had as you said, an old supernatural feel to it.

    Watching some of the other crappier episodes of the Carver season, I've found myselfl glancing at the clock, as the time never seemed to pass, (See Bitten!) but here the ep was over before I realised it, a sure sign that I liked it.
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    I love Jody. She's practical and down to earth, She integrates well with the brothers, she respects them and they her, and she doesn't make them seem wallpaper, even if this time she saved them.
    I had no problem with Dean and Suzy. Dean was being Dean and I have missed his woman-killer attitude. :)
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    However Sam is the big incognito in this episode. The Zeke affair is very mysterious. He professes to being an angel but he can't heal Sam; however Castiel did say that Sam had been changed on a sub-atomic level and that he couldn't cure him , so Zeke not being able to is not surprising..

    We don't know Zeke's end game, and to me that is the best thing about this season. We have a real live mystery for once, not a re-boot, but something new.

    It's much more intersting IMO that the re-conquest of Heavenby the angels.

    However Zeke came to Dean when Dean called, so can't see him as having a pre-conceived plan; maybe once he possessed Sam, a plan came to him.
    To cure Sam, IMO, something drastic will have to be done. Even Vesta was appalled at his physical state.
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    As for Dean telling Sam, I think he should too, but I can understand Dean's reluctance because I think that for once Dean doesn't know what to do for the best as far as Sam's well- being is concerned.
    Good review, I liked the way you addressed the episode.:)

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  2. This was actually my first episode of my return to Supernatural. While it wasn't groundbreaking in any way, and it felt predictable, it had a very early season feel to it, which I liked!

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  3. That's an excellent summary - not groundbreaking, predictable, but with an early season feel to it. Glad you liked it, and thanks for commenting!

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  4. I actually liked Bitten because it was different, but I've yet to go back and rewatch it, so I guess that says something.


    I agree that Zeke is the most interesting part of the show right now and that's disappointing because I thought the season started with several threads with potential - unpredictable and unhinged angels, a messed-up Crowley with a new threat in Abbadon, as well the Zeke possession. While all these stories have inched forward a little, they've barely moved and have done nothing to build momentum. A third of the season in already, we should be a little further along than this. Hopefully the next episode will push most everything forward some more.

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  5. Dunno if it's been said before but the title of the episode is just "Rock and a Hard Place".


    Concerning the matter at hand, I liked the episode a lot and felt it was a callback to the very early episodes, capturing a lot of those oldschool feelings.

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  6. Nice review, I'm on a SPN break right now but it's good to know people who have near the same similar taste haven't given up on the show and still find it enjoyable. At this point I'm 3 episodes behind and will more than likely pick it back up after the hiatus. Thanks for the review.

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  7. It's not necessarily making fun of Mexican porn, it's that we rarely see any Latino characters on the show, but we do see this scene where a woman has to pose naked with maracas, and she and Dean recite Spanish to each other and talk about sex positions with tacos...it just felt forced and somewhat offensive to me.


    Dean's always been a bit of a horndog, but he's cut way back on that with passing years, and I don't think Dean even in the early days was ever likely to go off early in a case to try to bed a woman, especially when the woman seemed to be grieving and struggling. I also don't think he would have ignored Sam's calls when he knew Sam was sick.


    I agree about Jody bringing back an earlier season vibe, although seasons 1-5 also had a lot of silly characters. I just hope we will see her again. She always enhances episodes and adds a different flair, and it's nice to see the mutual respect between her and between Sam and Dean. I also like that they don't try to hard sell her as a parental figure, which annoyed me with Bobby.

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  8. We may have to agree to disagree on this one, but thanks for the honest feedback. Sam and Dean are always on cases, and Sam didn't seem to be in any imminent danger, so I didn't see anything too wrong with Dean's actions - horndog behavior aside. It's true there aren't many Latino characters, or other minorities for that matter, but considering most of the characters are offensive caricatures or victims of brutal death, that's probably a good thing. There are some shows that do a much better, serious job of portraying real life, but that's not the nature of this show. It seems like a lot of people want this show to be something very different from what it's always been.


    I'd actually be more receptive to claims that the show has a sexist attitude toward Asian women since Dean has repeatedly fixated on them as sexual objects for many seasons, whereas this Mexican porn bit was a two-time occurrence (the first one being with Gabe), and seemed to be more about the porn fantasy than the culture.


    In the early days of Supernatural, Dean would often say really outrageous, inappropriate things, but that was neutralized by Sam's embarrassment and "bitch faces." Sam balanced Dean out and seemed to speak on behalf of the show that Dean's comments weren't supposed to be OK. With Sam's voice being largely muted these past few seasons, I wonder if this is more of a factor now?

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  9. Hey Lilith, you must be a little in withdrawal from not producing the SPN podcasts this year (I assume you're not doing them, anyway). As far as the show goes, I feel like we're in a holding pattern right now, and how the mid-season cliffhangers play out will affect my assessment of the season as a whole. But so far, it's still too early to tell.

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  10. We should be much further along in whatever the main plot is than we are. There are way too many filler episodes nowadays. This wasn't bad filler, but the past five episodes or so were. Nothing has happened all season. The only interesting thing going on this year - IMO - is Zeke and what he's doing.

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  11. Yeah, I had to stop the SPN podcast, between work, my other two podcasts and writing reviews, something had to give and I wasn't enjoying Supernatural so that was that.

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  12. I would agree the show has more of a sexist attitude toward Asian women. I just think SPN can do better. They've had strong Latina characters in the past (Nancy Fitzgerald in Jus in Belo, Ellie last season), so it's not that I believe they are against this, it's just that when you have this woman who is reduced mostly to stereotypes, it's disconcerting.


    The early days of SPN did have comments and attitudes that bothered me sometimes, but I think you can get away with that more with characters in their mid-20s. There were times when even then I couldn't accept it, but most of the time I tried to write it off. It's just tougher to do now.


    I generally think Dean was a cocky guy who, under his swagger, did respect most women, even the women he only saw as a roll in the hay. And back then he usually just had sex when Sam was doing research or sleeping - if Sam had called, he would have answered. The only time I remember Dean behaving close to this was in Magnificent Seven, when Dean was so frightened of going to Hell that he spent most of his time making his way through women and hitting on women, throughout a case. If they were trying to say Dean is upset about his lies to Sam, and losing everyone he's close to (Cas, Charlie, etc.) and then facing his past last week, then I could understand it. I'm just not sure what they were going for.


    But we can agree to disagree.

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  13. I suspect the reason there are so many fillets is a business one - the one offs do better as syndicated eps playing years from now, but right now they're killing momentum.

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  14. I can certainly relate. It takes a bit of time to do this.

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  15. I think Dean would argue that he respected Suzy and her work - in fact I think he did say something like that - but yeah, I get your point.

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  16. I know I'm in the minority - but from the moment Dean sat down to a bowl of cornflakes to his heart wrenching dilemma in the very final scene, I enjoyed every single moment of 9.08. And get over it people - Dean's a womanizer! He watches porn. He goes to bars and picks up women. I sense it's mostly Destiel fans that have a problem with Rock & a Hard Place (because Suzy was the wrong gender.)


    This was a fun and entertaining episode. And nice to see Dean's leadership abilities back in full force. Dean would've got them out even without Sam and Jodi. He's a take charge type of guy. And how great is it to see Jodi back? And to see the brothers hunting in harmony again. And the Zeke conundrum? Bravo! I enjoyed this episode a lot!

    It's back to those pesky angels and more serious stuff next week. :)

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  17. Yeah .... they are killing it DEAD! Haha!

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  18. I don't think the sex was non-consensual and I didn't mean to give that impression. I just don't think Dean would have gone after her when she was obviously upset. He didn't with Ellie last season.

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  19. I wouldn't be so quick to assume you're in the minority. The most vocal groups on the Internet are often the people with a point to prove, and others just don't want to jump into the fray. Anyway, I agree with what you said about Dean and the other parts of the episode. Thanks for commenting.

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  20. [i]We had another mostly filler episode adding one more to a very long streak of fillers. Fans get impatient when there are so many in a row[/i]


    Very long streak of fillers? So 2 is very long now?


    I can't stand this complaint about MOTW (not filler) episodes. All I heard during Gamble's stint is how the show needs to get back to go back to a balance of MOTW and season storyline. Well after this next episode the season will be 5 season storyline/4 MOTW.


    This show has always had a MOTW/season storyline balance where there maybe a few MOTW episodes in a row and then a season storyline episode and then a couple more MOTW episodes.


    I guess people just forgot the whole premise of them being hunters.

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  21. Back In Black Tricksteress 95December 1, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    Well I hope your friend gets to like supernatural :)
    This was a funny episode but I really liked it. There was no offences and some general advice don't read the fans' reaction before writing because some are way too outspoken :)
    I was so happy Jody was in this episode and she was really kick-ass. She is like a mother figure to the boys and I hope to see more of her!.
    I'll try to modestly say this but at least Dean got to have his fun with Suzy, that's a good sign he's being stable despite through everything.
    So Sam finally picking it up. Oh that was so sad at the end and Zeke was such a moron, why?!. I felt like Zeke was kinda threating Dean. And I don't think he did anything to heal Sam to be honest and if he did he certaintly didn't do a good job with it!. Angels can heal but apparently because Sam half-demon blood and the trial is too much. But the way I see it it shouldn't be that hard Zeke got full control over him and he would know about Sam's power-source. I wonder if he deliberately preserved the power to take down the army and Metraton or rule with them.
    Very excited for next week :)

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  22. My comment was about a lack of movement on the main mytharc storylines since after episode 3, so five consecutive episodes. The only thing that could arguably be considered forward movement on the mytharc was Crowley's translation to say Metatron's spell couldn't be reversed, but since we don't even know whether Crowley was lying, this isn't much.


    At the end of the episode 3, the mytharc status was that angels had fallen to earth. They were unhappy and starting to organize under a leader Bartholomew. Dean had let a shifty angel named Ezekiel possess Sam to heal him, and Sam was unaware and Dean was lying about it. Crowley was in the Winchesters' dungeon while Abbadon worked to take over Hell.

    The status is currently the angels have fallen to earth. They are unhappy and starting to organize under a leader Bartholomew. The spell may not be reversable if Crowley is to be believed - which is unclear. Dean has let a shifty angel named Ezekiel possess Sam to heal him, and Sam is still unaware and Dean is still lying about it. Crowley is still in the Winchesters' dungeon while Abbadon works to take over Hell.


    Some people would love nothing more than a season of just MOTW episodes - and if you're one of them, that's great for you - but in my opinion after 8-9 seasons, most have gotten stale and repetitive. They have a nostalgic attraction, but a strong mytharc storyline is what gets viewers excited about the show. When the mytharc is put on hold for such a long stretch, people tend to lose interest in it and that's a criticism I felt should be in the review.

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  23. I really try not to read much in the way of fan reaction until I have at least a first draft written, but even when I have read a few more comments, I generally find that my opinion hasn't shifted very much. The reviews are my thoughts and not a reflection of what's being said online. Even after I've read more comments, I generally don't agree with about three-quarters of what I read.


    I like Jody too. I don't see her as a mother figure - she's not old enough and Sam and Dean are both in their 30s now - but she's a good longtime friend, and they could always use more of those.


    It's still unclear what exactly is going on with Sam's body, and I hope it ties back to the demon blood for the sake of some continuity with the earlier seasons. That should be interesting, and hopefully we'll learn more about this next week.

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  24. Destiel fans are EXTREMELY vocal. They have access to write articles, they demand that Destiel be revealed as canon by writers and ask Jensen awkward questions at Supernatural conventions in terms of Dean's sexuality. They rip apart any episode where Dean or Cas have sex with a woman. It's SO frustrating for the rest of us. Anyway, add me to the list of those that enjoyed this episode. I've been a big fan of Supernatural for years. It's a really good show and now that we have The Originals as lead-in, Tuesdays are the best night of the week.



    It's back to the mytharc next week.

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  25. Back In Black Tricksteress 95December 2, 2013 at 1:48 AM

    I kept on saying about the blood...
    But like how you stick to your opinions and can't wait for next week :)

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  26. It's not about Dean loving sex or being a womanizer, but he's a particular womanizer, he doesn't push when it's not wanted, (Kali) and he puts off hookups when the case matters (last season trials) and we'd expect him to grow up, as he's no longer 26, but 32-33 (not counting the hell years natch)


    the problem was with the construct of the writing, making Suzy an ex- porn star? not a problem. Making Dean see it as a challenge to bed her (even before he knew who she was? ) offensive. Now, they could have turned this around, even from the creepy candle lighting scene, because Suzy wanted to pray and the mood was (rightfully) broken, but instead of talking about why Suzy felt that making a pledge was right for her, Dean was talking about admiring her work - but thats not reaffirming her pride, thats making her a sexual object, because that is the only way that Dean knows her, and why, for Chuck's sake, are Suzy's issues with self pride erased by having sex with a complete stranger?


    While Jensen made the scene funny, becuase he is just that good, the episode's outrageous humour didn't help the overall episode, it stood out like a sore thumb and then made the entire ending anticlimactic. If you are going to make comedy that broad, it has to carry across the whole show, not just a standout scene. And if the whole thing was Veritas needing a promise to be broken, it could have come with an interesting conversation and a little kiss, not the fade to black ridiculousness.


    to make it even worse, Suzy admits at the very end' I wasn't as strong as I thought I was' which means Dean's magic dick didn't do the work of making her feel good about her life choices. the lesson here for the author, stay away from the big topics until you have the skills to deal with them.

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  27. people have rightly had an issue with this craptastic episode and how it dealt with the female characters, (with the exception of Jodi, I won't exclude Honor, despite the fact she was very capable, she did have an affair with the dead pastor and that was never dealt with) Don't bring issues with shippers into a discussion of how female characters are written in the show. fandom does it's thing, show does it's thing, two different universes.


    Incidentally, I am a shipper in fandom, Cas and Dean in particular, but I had no problem with Dean having sex, or even Cas having sex -, but at least please show, make that female character engaging, instead of having disposable Daphne, April and Nora, how great would it be for Cas (example) to make a connection with a human woman and have to give that up to keep fighting, it would parallel Dean and Sam's journey and simply make much more interesting viewing.


    In the first incarnation of SPN, Kripke wanted Jess to live and travel with Sam and Dean, wow, but I think they have all seen that part of the lure of the show is the travelling and the bro bond, and any romantic partner would necessarily negate that, it's not about pressures of shipping, because frankly, while they are a loud part of fandom, it's only a single element, show does what show does - just please, get better writers, and make the ones you have sit down and watch all the episodes just like the fans do.

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  28. Yeah, it was OC for Dean to be such a pushy sleazy jerk, and not to mention, the extremely broad attempt at humor was out of sync with the rest of the episode, you have to go all the way, like Changing Channels and French Mistake, or not go there, and leave that writing to authors with more skill, Ben Edlund, for example.

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