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Supernatural - Episode 9.07 - Bad Boys - Sneak Peek

Nov 15, 2013

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49 comments:

  1. Shannon SchultzNovember 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    I thought they never heard of a rugaru until they hunted one with Travis in Season 4? I wish this show would learn it's own canon.

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  2. LisaNovember 15, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Christ, no wonder Sam wanted to get out of the hunting life to go to college. He thought Dean went missing while on a hunt and John just shipped him off to stay with Bobby for months? Can't say I blame the dude now. That's gotta be traumatic for a little kid to not know where his brother is for months at a time, if he's even alive or dead. I'd hate the hunting life too.



    And I agree about this show at least trying to remember its own canon. They didn't know what a rugaru was until they were adults.

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  3. Back In Black Tricksteress 95November 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Ooh this looks interesting.

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  4. percysownerNovember 15, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    Thank God they are NOT going to make John the negligent father who left his kids alone and starving. I mean I think John was a pretty bad father, but the show has done a lot of John bashing since his death. Dean losing food money is better than John the awful.


    Dean, I know you are worried about Sam and Zeke etc. but constantly acting like Sam is a drag on you and too weak and incompetent to help is pretty much shoving him back into the mindset that made him willing to die last year. Either tell him why you're worried or stop questioning him about is he strong enough. And stop directing questions to Zeke. Zeke has shown that he has NO TROUBLE jumping out and telling you what he wants of if he has issues with well just about anything.

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  5. LisaNovember 15, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Dean asking Zeke questions when Sam is in control is getting to be a bit ridiculous, isn't it? You're right, if Zeke had any issues he would have just popped out and said so himself. Dean's just making himself look more and more suspicious by the day.

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  6. klutzy_girlNovember 15, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    Ooh, interesting backstory.

    And LOL, Dean, stop making yourself look suspicious.

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  7. sueNovember 15, 2013 at 11:28 PM

    To me it seems Dean would rather have sam figure it out then him telling him. I think that is why he is making it obvious since we know he is getting bad at lying and he wasn't a good liar as it is on the job one thing close family he sucks. And wonder if that puts more pressure on zeke if Dean keeps doing that the whole demand thing and such. And wow I like how blunt Dean was with telling what actually happened to him and what story they told but can't imagine how Sam must have felt I mean here your dad tells you brother is lost for couple of months and he was in a boys home and I like how certain people dean seems to trust with secret of being a hunter. some people believe him and some like cassie don't.

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  8. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    I kind of wondered if Dean was lying in that sneak peek - his body language and his tone of voice seemed like lying Dean, and the description for the episode said he avoids Sam's questions.


    Sam seems somewhat sick here, so that probably just makes Dean even more wary. He should be better at covering. I think he should have said he meant Sam and Kevin.

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  9. malooseNovember 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    Haha! You're right, exactly what kind of a life is that, but I'm more concerned with how they covered up Dean's absence. Normally people will go crazy worrying if a family member goes missing, missing in apple-pie life is scary, go figure how it would be in Hunters' lives, and here John and Bobby thought it wouldn't be a problem for Sam. Strangely enough Sam seemed to take the truth too smoothly, no 'Dude, I was beyond worried, how could you do that to me?' lol

    But I'm still looking forward to see this episode ^^

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  10. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    They probably covered most of the lie to Sam at the time. If Sam was at Bobby's he probably liked being the center of attention, away from stress, etc. He was what, 11 or 10 (I can't keep track of ages), so he could have seen it as something new as he was getting older, something of his own, outside of Dean or John.

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  11. malooseNovember 16, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Yeah, Sam seemed sick or tired, why? And after he looked healthy the previous episodes!!!

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  12. Kaye237November 16, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    Wondering if Zeke is getting tired after fainting so many time in the last couple of episodes, except of last week's episode.

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  13. lala2November 16, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    I've always thought that the hunting life had to terrify Sam. I remember the story Dean told Gordon about hunting a werewolf at 15 while Sammy waited in the car. Sam was what? 11? He's stuck in the car in the middle of the night waiting for his brother and father to return. He had to wonder what would if they died or never came back. That would be terrifying for a kid!

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  14. lala2November 16, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    That clip was pretty good! Sam may now be starting to question Dean's recent statements to him. I also agree with those who think Zeke will surface when he wants.

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  15. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 1:38 AM

    Jared did say at ChiCon that hosting Ezekiel would start to have some kind of adverse effect on Sam. Maybe this is the beginning stages of what he's eventually going to be going through.

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  16. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    I can't see Sam ever being comfortable being away from Dean as a young child. When he turned 18 he tried to assert his independence but before then he was so reliant on Dean it was ridiculous. The guy was more of a father to him than John was. Him going away to college was more or less trying to declare his desire to be his own man away from the hunting lifestyle. And I don't blame him one bit if his childhood was this traumatic. Telling him the truth about Dean being in a reform school would have been better, making the kid think his brother could be dead is just cruel.

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  17. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    I know. My heart breaks for that kid. What a messed up childhood that must have been. I really don't understand why most of this fandom craps all over him for his decision to leave the hunting life behind him. I'd want to block that crap out too.

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  18. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 2:15 AM

    Not a young child, but if he was around 11 or 12, I think he might have been changing (didn't he run away around this time, or a year or two later). He'd still be worried about Dean, but I could see them not really filling him in on anything serious until after Dean got back.

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  19. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 2:25 AM

    You don't consider 11 or 12 being a young child? That's pretty young to me. Then again, I'm in my 40's and have experience working with kids so I guess it's all subjective. Younger people might not feel the same but to me a kid that young shouldn't be burdened with these kinds of problems. Wondering whether or not your family members are going to die on you at any given time is traumatic no matter how old you are. To a kid that young it's even worse.

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  20. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 3:08 AM

    I guess he could be like a parasite of some kind.

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  21. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    I do consider it young, but within the show's world, not as young as it might have been to other kids at that time. Sam was already having to grow up fast and becoming pretty hardened in some of what we've seen from around that time, like After School Special.

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  22. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    Yup. The entire thing has been symbiotic from the jump so it would stand to reason that as Zeke recharges Sam could deteriorate even further. It might end up being a situation where Sam won't be able to reject him at all because Zeke is the only thing keeping him alive. I really hope that isn't the case. That would just suck.

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  23. Back In Black Tricksteress 95November 16, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    I didn't know that!. I knew Zeke wasn't powerful enough!.
    That was funny when Sam said he is everybody, oh only when he knows..Dean obviously weared out as well he's not covering his tracks well.
    Sam did mention about his sleep before, so I assume he's not sleeping well. He kinda always have a sleep problem ironically.
    By the way Sam took the news well didn't he?, I hope the boys will open up :)

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  24. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 3:17 AM

    You have to remember that both John and Dean sheltered Sam for a pretty long time in hunter's standards. Dean knew about the life from the age of four, Sam didn't find out until he was almost nine. So to go from that to knowing that your worst nightmares are true and your family hunts them is a lot to process. In my head canon I've always had Sam deciding to leave the life behind because he was traumatized by something that happened to Dean when he was a kid that scared him to the point to where he would just rather pretend that life didn't exist at all than to face the reality that his brother was just going to die on him anyway. He couldn't cope with it so he decided to give "normal" life a try and pretend that world didn't exist at all. Was it healthy or realistic? Probably not, but it was better than dealing with the reality that was staring him in the face at the time.

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  25. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    I really don't want Sam to have to live with that forever. I thought Tahmoh was recurring so you'd think we might think him as Ezekiel again at some point.

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  26. lala2November 16, 2013 at 3:34 AM

    I don't understand it either! Given what Sam has gone through, I completely understand why he wanted to leave the "life" and just be normal. Sam has always wanted to be safe, and I don't see a problem w/that. It makes sense. He said it in the Pilot, and Meg mentioned it last year. He grew up terrified most of the time. He's either left alone for days w/a young Dean, left alone by himself (as evidenced in TGND) or shipped off to Bobby's for months. I'm sure Sam was worried w/Dean being "missing" on a hunt! That's crazy.
    I can't blame Sam for ditching this crazy life.

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  27. lala2November 16, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    Given what we've been shown of the boys, I can't imagine Sam not worrying about Dean being "missing" on a hunt. In AVSC, Sam was what . . . 8 . . . and he was extremely worried about John. If they told Sam Dean was lost on a hunt, I would think he would have been extremely worried and concerned.
    We'll see how it plays out but, hopefully, it shows that Sam was scared and worried about Dean during that time.

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  28. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 3:41 AM

    Everyone thought Tahmoh was recurring. It was the biggest red herring in Supernatural history. I have to give Carver some credit there for promoting him so hard because everyone assumed he was going to be sticking around. That being said, I'd love to see him come back but who knows at this point?

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  29. Peter J4November 16, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    That's true. I agree that he was sheltered. I do think at some point in his early teens he began to question more and have his own identity. I get the feeling Dean saw most of this and it was kept from John until Sam finally had enough and left. If Sam also left because he didn't want to see Dean get hurt, that makes sense as well.

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  30. CyanaTNovember 16, 2013 at 5:13 AM

    General comment: "Bad Boys" was shot before DDA and HCan'tW; it was originally supposed to be 9.05 not 9.07. The CW changed the airing order.

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  31. sharonallyNovember 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    I think because some think it was a reflection on Dean not hunting and because to be honest they do not stop and actually think about Sam . I think finding the journal in AVSC at 8 yrs old learning the truth that way had a enormous effect on Sam we saw that and I do believe he carried alot of that with him into his older teenage years .

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  32. SN_galNovember 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Sam ran away and it was one of his best memories. So he tried to assert his independence before he turned 18. Adult Sam didn't seem all that upset at the memory.

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  33. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    I always thought of Sam's version of heaven as being heavily manipulated by Zachariah in order to drive a wedge between the brothers. Why would he consider the night his father told him to never come back one of his best memories? It doesn't make sense. Besides, manipulating reality was Zachariah's MO. He was trying to force Dean's hand into saying yes to Michael, first by creating the entire EndVerse scenario and then screwing around with Sam's heaven. Maybe on some level they were good memories for him but I think the lack of Dean in his heaven was deliberate. Zachariah wanted Dean to think that Sam's perfect afterlife didn't include him and it worked because he ended up throwing away the amulet because of it.

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  34. SN_galNovember 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Even if he didn't pick those memories he never denied they were happy ones. As for why he would look at the night he left for Standford as a good memory, he said it himself, he was on his own and away from John. Then Dean pointed out that he was leaving him too. Sam response wasn't manipulated. He said I don't look at family the same way you do. That was 100% pure Sam.

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  35. sharonallyNovember 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    Of course Sam would not look at family the way Dean does , what he knew of family was not tempered by Dean's 4 yrs of knowing a father and mother. As Sam said 'I didnt have any one to cut the crusts of my jammy sandwiches' . Sam wanted to go to college he neither had a father or brother that supported him that , he had a father who told him' if you walk out that door dont come back' and a brother that held onto a grudge for 8 yrs because he went to college.


    Why would Sam see family the same way . But it never meant he loved his family less , it was not his fault both John and Dean decided to was against them.

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  36. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM

    Good point. I forgot about that. So it kind of would make sense for him to be tired since Zeke had just resurrected Charlie and zapped both he and Sam in the process. I hate it when they change the order around like this. It screws with the continuity of the show and makes people wonder if something else is going on.

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  37. malooseNovember 16, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    I was thinking about that incident too. Whether they were really Sam's brightest memory or as @Lisa said they were manipulated, I think the whole DotM was a mess! Those incident were wrong in human nature perspective. They didn't mentioned Sam's age, but if he was younger he would be too scared and dependent to Dean to try to run, like most other children, and if he was older and decided to run in a fit of rebellion against John he'd have known what it would do to Dean-----> The running away idea was crap.
    The night he left, well who would be happy after a big fight with his father, really someone must be kinda mental to be like that. Besides Sam said once he wanted to just go to school, he didn't want to ditch his family and never spoke to them for 2 years, or as was implied in the pilot never answer their calls. Leaving the life and father's shadow, yes, he would embrace them, but forgetting all about them, no. If he was this detached he'd never go with Dean to look for their father in the pilot or keep his parents' photo in his house -----> Being happy that night AND not speaking to them for 2 years was beyond crap!


    Well those writers are only human and bound to make mistake, it's not like I should accept every crap they give us ;D

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  38. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    As for when Sam ran away, I always assumed that it probably happened after Sam and Dean got into a huge fight of some sort. If Sam was a teenager at the time, it would make sense given how teenagers are when it comes to respecting authority. Since Dean practically raised Sam, he might have pulled rank on him about something and in a fit of teenage rebellion Sam chose to run. Teenagers aren't known to show the best judgment and they don't think about long-term consequences for their actions either. Besides, having Dean Winchester as your big brother is kind of a hard shadow to climb out of. Sam probably wanted to assert his independence too.



    That being said, I just don't buy the theory that *none* of Sam's potential heavens were of him being all alone either. Dean surely was there in some of them but Zachariah wasn't going to allow Dean to see that. He wanted Dean to think he wasn't included in Sam's heaven because he was trying to push him towards saying yes to Michael.

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  39. malooseNovember 16, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    You might be right about the run, and I agree the selection of those memories couldn't be indicative of their importance, otherwise there would be definitely a Jess memory among them for Sam. But I think they should have clarified it somehow if it was Zachariah's doing.

    Anyway we're now in season 9 and we've seen how the writers and producers could violate their self-created canon or come up with crazy and non-logical explanation for their plots. I'm saying we've seen Sam being an ungrateful brother, many times with unacceptable explanation (most prominent in s8), but it's not Sam's fault, it's the writers' fault who play with our minds, so I try to just let it go ;D

    (Honestly I, a family person, don't have a picture of them with me, how could someone who keeps their parents' photo framed in their house don't even call their family or answer their call?!! You writers, make your decision already!)

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  40. fazziemodoNovember 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    Wouldn't Sam be more concerned about how they covered up Dean's disappearance than he appears - he'd be about 12 so would have just learned about what John did and he's told that his big brother, the one solid thing in his life, disappeared on a hunt?

    Looking forward to the episode seeing how this is going to be heavy on the Dean flashbacks but still Sam, really no more questions than what you gave there?

    16 year old losing money in a card game? What card game lets 16 year olds in to the point they lose every cent they have. If Dean got lifted why didn't social workers take Sam into care? Didn't the authorities find Sam at all? Did John scoop Sam up and leave Dean to rot or was prevented from grabbing Dean? There has to be more to the story than that.

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  41. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    If you want to be technical about it, the entire reason why a lot of this fandom doesn't get Sam it's because he's not very fleshed out. Kind of sad when he was originally intended as the main protagonist for the series when Kripke created it. The show ended up being told from Dean's POV instead and Sam kind of fell by the wayside. We have to guess what's going on in his head because we rarely ever get to see things from his POV. He's the character everyone reacts to instead of with. I hear a lot of people complain that he's the one always getting a mytharc instead of Dean, but I don't think they realize if the shoe were on the other foot this would be a very different show. And he is the victim of inconsistent writing, I agree with you there.

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  42. LisaNovember 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    Maybe that's why John shipped Sam off to Bobby's, because he didn't want social workers to take him. But I do agree with you about John letting Sam think Dean was missing instead of telling him the truth being beyond cruel. He would have been upset that Dean was in a boy's home sure, but that's 100 times better than thinking his brother could be dead. If anything, it just gives us more insight into why he felt like he needed to get as far away from that life as he could.

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  43. CyanaTNovember 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM

    "Thank God they are NOT going to make John the negligent father who left his kids alone and starving. I mean I think John was a pretty bad father, but the show has done a lot of John bashing since his death. Dean losing food money is better than John the awful"
    Yes, this.
    I'm equally very thankful that teen Dean's 'missing months' has little to do (AFAWK) with Sammy's running away to Flagstaff.
    I fully agree with the rest of your post; in order to maintain Zeke's hidden status Dean needs to cease such extreme 'mother-henning' Sam when Sam has stressed since 9.02 that he essentially feels much better and trust that Zeke will 'pop out' and put the breaks on if he feels Sam is overexerting himself. (Plus keep in mind that this episode was filmed 5th - after Zeke rescued Sam in 902, resurrected Cas then Charlie in 903 and 904 - so Zeke could rationally be really fatigued while keeping Sam physically better but just a little tired).
    Dean has trusted Zeke so far; it's only in DDA (aired as 9.05 but filmed as episode 6) that Dean seriously questions whether Zeke will leave Sam when they're healed as Dean had considerable effort getting either to respond when Chef Leo slashed Sam's throat and Zeke healed Sam.
    For Dean to be overly concerned about Sam's fatigue in BB (now 9.07) doesn't make a lot of sense (to Sam) because in "Heaven Can't Wait" (9.06 but was to be 9.07 and Zeke made no appearance) Dean had no problem leaving Sam and Kevin alone with Crowley - Dean's concern was to keep "Zeke" safe in the Bunker and away from potential (and real, it turned out) Angel Magnet, Castiel.

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  44. CyanaTNovember 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Indeed. Having "Heaven Can't Wait" (9.06, was 9.07) in the middle makes the order change even more awkward; if the show aired BB as 9.06 it would make a lot more sense for Dean to worried about Sam's health from Sam's yawns because as I already responded Dean had an extremely hard time rousing both Zeke and Sam near the end of DDA (9.05).

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  45. CyanaTNovember 16, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    I agree. At "this point" - even with the changed episode order - it's probably legit that Sam does need Zeke's presence to live. Whether that's the case by 9.09 is unknown. I'm not even sure how much time has passed between Sacrifice and "Heaven Can't Wait" - again, was to be 9.07. At the end of HCan'tW Cas looks at the TV and the commentator says something like "weeks have passed..."; if the time passage had been two months or more, I think the reporter would say some wording involving the exact month "Barely one month ago..., two months, etc,"

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  46. CyanaTNovember 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Yeah, many fans on Twitter have pointed this FACT out to @AdamGlass and his response is "It's just a clip" and there is a "reason" but "It's a spoiler". Riiiigghtt, Adam - strap in for more Lol!Canon. We already have the "Reapers have been Angels" and "Crowley has been a demon since the Mesopotamian--

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  47. lala2November 17, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    I sincerely doubt DSOTM showed the EXTENT of Sam's happy memories. If those were all of Sam's happy memories then it's no wonder if preferred to die in the season premiere b/c his life sucks! Haha!
    Where was Jessica? Where was Dean? Where was Bobby? There is no way this show could ever make me believe that Sam has NO happy memories with his family OR that Dean has no happy memories WITHOUT his family.
    DSOTM was manipulative, preachy crap!

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  48. klutzy_girlNovember 17, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    Yeah, I'm also on the side of "Zachariah manipulated their Heaven to drive the brothers apart".

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  49. lala2November 17, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    But is there a problem w/those memories being happy ones FOR Sam?
    I never quite understood the complaint w/the memories. A Thanksgiving dinner. It was probably first time Sam had a "normal" Thanksgiving so it is a memory he treasures. Running away and getting a dog. He was independent for a week and got do what he wanted. I think most children would remember that time fondly. How was he to know Dean was getting reamed out by John b/c of his actions. I believe he was a child at that time. Leaving for college. Yes, John had kicked him out of the family and disowned him, but Sam was embarking on a new life adventure, one he had been dreaming about since ASS. He was starting a new chapter in his life, so I could see how that was a happy memory for him.
    It sucks that those were all bad memories for Dean, but Sam has a right to his own thoughts and feelings. He told Dean he wasn't choosing the memories, and that they were just coming to him. As many have stated, I'm sure Zachariah was choosing the memories S&D saw so D would say yes.
    I hate DSOTM.

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