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Supernatural 9.07 "Bad Boys" Review: Sometimes You Have to Choose Yourself

20 Nov 2013

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     This week’s episode of Supernatural, “Bad Boys,” was written by Adam Glass and directed by Kevin Parks. Both are no stranger to Supernatural and they delivered what I would argue is one of the best stand alone, monster-of-the-week episodes in four years. In fact, I would rank this episode near the top of any episode in the last four years and possibly top 10 for the run of the series. It had a great flashback to some of Dean’s (Jensen Ackles/Dylan Everett) teenage years and a great ghost story in the present. The effects were take your breath away good – I literally gasped at the spirit’s transformation. And we also got some tender moments between the brothers. This episode was simply the complete Supernatural package.

    Sometimes I think we take the effects on Supernatural for granted. We all expect a great splatter moment at the end of the opening teaser – and this was a classic as poor Jack (Tom McBeath) gets the ‘point’ about the spirit too late and we see the forks from the tractor come through the barn door dripping blood – delightfully gruesome. We see lots of breath fog as the temperature drops every time the ghost materializes. These elements are always so well done, we take them for granted. The scene with the rosary stuck in the lawnmower was obvious, but was just so excruciating as you’re waiting for it to happen. But the two scenes that really stand out are Ruth’s (Karin Konoval) death scene in the bathtub – just wow – and the transformation of Timmy’s mother. When her face transforms, it is just an outstanding effect and then as she lets go of her earthly connection, again, just wow. So a big shout out to the entire team: VFX Supervisor Mark Meloche, VFX Producer Grant Lindsay, VFX Coordinator Ryan Curtis, Lead Artist Christopher Richardson, and VFX I/O Coordinator Adam Williams – even so I’m still missing many members of the team.

    If you thought you recognized Ruth – you did. She also played Mrs Curry in season four’s “Family Remains.” According to Adam Glass, she is married in real life to Jack. McBeath was also in season two’s episode “Hunted.” Glass live tweeted some interesting tidbits throughout the episode. For instance, he grew up in the Catskills, one town over from the setting of Hurleyville. His highschool sweetheart was named Robin – and she tweeted him during the episode!

    While this episode is about an incident that helped to shape Dean’s life, it is at heart about the brothers and their relationship. It was one of the most touching moments in the series when Sam (Jared Padalecki) acknowledges what his brother has sacrificed for him and thanks him for always being there for him. The episode teases out Sam’s discovery of what being at the boys’ home had meant to his brother. Sam is a researcher and he’s smart. Both the brothers are trained to observe and make conclusions and that’s what Sam does. He sees that his brother really claimed his bed at the home by marking it; he sees his brother actually participated, successfully, in sports, even winning a championship; he sees his brother try to re-connect with a former love, and he sees how badly Dean is bothered when she apparently doesn’t remember him as well. Sam concludes that contrary to the months Dean spent there being the worst of Dean’s life, they were actually the best. Dean denies, of course, that it “was him,” that he would have liked to stay.

    However, Sam still misses one of the fundamental things about Dean. Dean needs to be a protector, and he’s not happy when he’s simply living for himself. It’s possible that is a factor of the childhood imposed upon him by John, but it is none-the-less arguably part of his character. The then montage at the beginning of the episode drives home how much looking after Sam has been an integral driving force of Dean’s life, right from the opening moments of the show when John placed baby Sam in Dean’s arms.

    I’m sure there will be a good deal of dissatisfaction over how John is portrayed in this episode. It’s easy to see him as an uncaring parent, willing to punish his son for his own failings in not being there to supervise his children or even insure they were provided with food. However, it’s possible that he had to wait until the charges against Dean were dropped before coming to get him. It’s also possible that Dean was an out of control teen who needed a little discipline and tough love. There are any of a number of other reasons why John couldn’t come for Dean before that – perhaps John was actually the one lost on a hunt? At the one month mark, Sonny says they can’t find John anywhere, after all. However, there is also the evidence of Dean’s distress at having been seemingly abandoned, and there’s the callous way John comes for him, not letting him stay just for the dance. However, the episode doesn’t fill in any of these blanks.

    It’s news to Sam that Dean was in a boys’ home. But Dean says that they’d told him a story about Dean being lost on a hunt. It’s clear that telling Sam a story instead of the truth to protect him was a regular occurrence. And not so very different from what is happening in the present with Zeke. I’m not entirely convinced that Dean is telling the truth that he lost the food money playing cards. As soon as Sam questions John leaving Dean at the home, Dean immediately defends John, implying that he deserved to be left at the home. Dean is still protecting John from Sam’s poor opinion.

    Blake Gibbons is fantastic as Sonny. He’s completely believable as someone who Dean could look up to and who would dedicate his life to helping rehabilitate kids. I loved the scenes he had with both young and current Dean. I had to wonder if he’s the one who taught Dean to pick handcuffs as he so handily picks the ones the sheriff leaves on Dean. Another question left unanswered by the episode are the bruises on Dean’s arms that Sonny so astutely notices. Was it the sheriff? John? Or a werewolf that left those marks? Or was there some other explanation? One that possibly explained where the food money went?

    It’s easy to see how much it means to Dean when Sonny tells Dean he’s proud of him. Sonny is not a stupid guy, and he sees that Dean is sacrificing himself for his family. He sees something in Dean and worries that he’s not being true to himself. The way he says ‘so this is Sam’ when he meets Sam makes me wonder if Sonny knew that that was why Dean left.

    My biggest praise for this episode has to go to Dylan Everett who played teen-Dean. This will be the third young actor to play a young Dean. When I heard what the storyline for the episode was to be, my first reservation was over the actor who would fill this role. Everett, however, did an amazing job. According to Glass, he watched 5 seasons of the show in the week before he came to set and then watched Ackles to get his rhythm. It certainly paid off, because he nailed Ackles body language and delivery. Glass also revealed that in the script it said Dean was 14 but when they saw Everett on screen they increased the age to 16.

    Ackles is fantastic in this episode, particularly in the scenes with Timmy (Radek Hewson) and the other boys. I loved the scene in which he teaches Timmy how to shake like a man and then the scene in which he saves him from the bullies. It very much reminded me of the scene in season three’s “The Kids Are Alright” when he teaches Ben Braedon to stand up to bullies too. Deans is obviously crushed when Robin (Erin Karpluk) doesn’t remember him. Sam is obviously taken by surprise at just how upset Dean is when he not only gets embarrassed, he rushes out of the restaurant. As an aside, Karpluk was also in an earlier episode, season one’s “Salvation.”

    The scenes between young Dean and young Robin (Sarah Desjardins) are also really revealing. We learn that Dean didn’t always want to join the family business. He gets all excited about the possibility of being a mechanic because they are like a puzzle, but once you fix them you can simply walk away and you’re no longer responsible for them. I had to wonder if the bruises Dean got were a result of a hunt gone wrong that made Dean reassess whether he wanted to hunt? I loved Everett in this scene as he gets all flustered after Robin kisses him – he nailed Ackles mannerisms in this scene.

    The hunt is a nice mostly traditional ghost story with a salt ‘n burn – even though it didn’t work. According to Glass, it was debated for hours in the writers’ room whether the spirit could actually be attached to Timmy. I thought it worked. The episode nicely built the relationship between Timmy and Dean so that Timmy was ready to stand on his own and send his mother on. Dean’s words to Timmy resonate with Dean’s entire life and reflect what Sonny had tried to tell Dean: “Sometimes you have to do what’s best for you, even if it’s gonna hurt the ones you love.” It remains to be seen whether letting Zeke possess Sam was for Sam or for Dean. This has always been Dean’s blindspot when it comes to Sam, letting him make his own decisions, even if that means having to let him go. Deep down, I think Dean knows that letting Zeke possess Sam was really best for Dean. Timmy runs into Dean’s arms after his mother disappears. Dean is clearly affected by having to take the boy’s mother away from him a second time. A boy losing his mother to fire was guaranteed to strike a chord with Dean in particular.

    As always, both Padalecki and Ackles knock the last scene out of the park. Sam tells Dean thank you. Sam isn’t stupid and it’s a nice moment when he acknowledges everything he’s learned about his brother into that moment. He knows he can only push his brother so far in an emo-moment, and in typical Dean fashion, he does shrug it off, but you can see the emotions so transparently on both actors’ faces in the scene. I thought it was a terrific touch that Sam leaves the door to the Impala open as he tells his brother how he feels – preventing him from being able to simply drive off without listening or letting Sam finish.

    Nitpick of the episode? “Dad was on a Rugaru hunt.” They had never heard of a Rugaru until season four’s episode “Metamorphosis.” C’mon guys! I’m betting I’m not the only one who that bothered, right? However, overall, I loved this episode! Great hunt, terrific characters and guest actors, some meaningful backstory, terrific effects, and some wonderful brother moments. What did you think? What was your favorite part? Let me know in the comments below!

97 comments:

  1. I love your reviews! Spot-on, interesting and not too spoilery :)
    Can't wait to watch the episode!

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  2. The Rugaru thing bothered a lot of people. I've been saying this and I will keep saying it. They need fewer writers that actually agree and talk with each other so they can keep everyone in character. Writers that actually watch the show.

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  3. Aw! Thanks! It's a great one!

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  4. I agree with your conclusion that Dean let Zeke possess Sam for Dean and not for Sam but I think Dean has always been a bit selfish when it comes to Sam. He wants Sam to live for him (Dean) because HE cant live without Sam, the right thing for Sam would have been to let him go but then we wouldnt have a show? I'd argue that this season so far they could easily have let Sam die and kept Jared on the payroll through Zeke because really he hasnt really had anything to do or say and now him being mad at Dean for lying about the whole Zeke thing will just create a shit storm in the fandom who could now argue that Sam is being ungrateful after Dean has literally given up everything for him. Oh well I guess Jared will at least have Zeke to play for a while longer and then a new baby to take up all his time.

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  5. I really think they are moving in that direction. I think this was a real move ahead for Sam understanding Dean - now we just need Dean to really get Sam's pov - and I think the brothers are at a point that when the secret does come out they'll be able to get past it quickly... and work together...

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  6. I didn't even notice the Rugaru thing. When I show runs 9 seasons and there are SO many tiny details along the way and so many writers...that stuff doesn't bother me at all. This ep was outstanding in every way. Had everything that i love about this show and all of the supporting actors were fantastic, esp young Dean and Timmy.

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  7. OK.....the ONLY thing I will say as far as the "Ruguru HUNT" that I also noticed was ...and maybe...just maybe....John was on that hunt but he did not know what he was hunting. Now that Sam and Dean know what one is...they can name it cause they know what John was hunting. That is my theory. The rest of the episode and your review was spot on.

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  8. Well, Sam's not dead. So I think they will get past this secret - and I think that will happen pretty quickly. Sam and Dean are hunting as equals now and Sam is rededicated to the hunt. He may not look at the MOL bunker as home, but he does see it as his place of work - which he also has a passion for. My review was so long, I didn't comment on the first scene - Sam curling up in a comfy chair with some recreational reading - I think he's settling in to this new role... This is the shape of every season - fall is dean-centric, winter is sam-centric, so I think Jared better rest up, cuz I'm betting he's starting to get pretty busy about now...

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  9. Yep. I can totally get behind that explanation - truthfully, I'd starting thinking that must be it...

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  10. Would it surprise you to know there are only about 10 writers on the show and they've all been with the show for multiple seasons? Some all the way back to the first season? But I get your point - sometimes you really have to let that stuff go or you'll lose your mind! LOL!

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  11. Or at least check Superwiki!

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  12. Would it be fair to have the brothers rush past the secret and then move on?. We are not exactly talking about Dean nicking Sam's Sugar Puffs here . I realize this episode has made it near impossible for Sam to be mad at Dean over Ezekiel . But I would rather not a fast track version of the fallout and how Sam feels.

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  13. LOVE your reviews!! First thing I do!

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  14. I cant afford to lose my mind anymore than it's already lost. LOL! So I just accept and move on, as long as the show still has it!


    Great review by the way!

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  15. Loved your critique-it was quite comprehensive! This Season has impressed me so much-its hard to believe that this show Really does seem to get better and better! One funny thing I noticed was when Sam was flipping the names of the boys on the bedsted,one of them was "Kevin P"! One of the Many reasons that I watch SPN tirelessly :)

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  16. Thanks! I almost always have to watch a show that I'm heavily invested in twice. After the first watch, I put my hair out (cuz it's almost always on fire) and re-watch with a little more perspective... LOL!

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  17. If I could write, this is what I would have written! Agree on all points!

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  18. Lisa, your recap is excellent and my favorite of all the other recaps I've read. As obsessed as I am about Supernatural I did miss the Rugaru error good catch on your part. About your question on the cause of Dean's bruises I thought this referred back to the hunt Dean mentioned to Gordon Walker in season 3 "Bloodlust" where Dean talked about kids high school dances and embracing the life. But who knows. It remains a mystery. I love how you captured all the emotional points of the episode from the poor mother trying to protect her child even after her death to Sam letting Dean know how he appreciates what he's done for him all these years. I agree it was an excellent job by the guest stars, J2, Adam Glass, Kevin Parks and the special effects team.

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  19. WOW! Thank you so much!

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  20. Good catch.

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  21. OMG! That's awesome! This is the drawback to watching and taking notes... I missed that! Thanks for pointing it out - it really is awesome that they include easter eggs for us!

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  22. I can get behind the explanation too good point because John was a new hunter and all of these hunters had to learn on the job as it were. With the destruction of the MoL in 1958 the hunters researchers were not there to inform them.

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  23. I don't agree that Dean can't live without Sam. He has lived without Sam when Sam was at Stanford, and again when he chose to stay with Lisa & Ben (at least until he got dragged back into hunting). Dean also supported Sam taking on Lucifer and sacrificing himself in Swan Song.


    But Sam was supposed to survive the hell trials. He told Dean that he wanted to live and that Dean should follow his lead and want to live as well. I think Dean feels a great amount of guilt because he failed to kill the hellhound which would have ensured that he was the one who would risk his life to take on the trials. I'm sure Dean thought that it should be him dying and not Sam. It probably brought him right back to not being able to save Sam in AHBL1.



    Also, I imagine Dean is wary about Heaven right now. The angels have all fallen. God is still MIA. Metatron, who tricked everyone, is now in charge. So what exactly would that mean for Sam if he died? With Metatron in charge, would he allow Sam into Heaven? IDK, but that had to be weighing heavily on Dean's mind as well.


    So I think there is a lot more to it for Dean than being "selfish" about wanting Sam to live.

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  24. Awesome! Great minds and all that... ;)

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  25. Great review!


    And re: Timmy's mother's transformation, I found it extra sad that she so closely resembled young Mary. They were definitely working the parallels between Timmy and Dean both seeing their mom burn up in a fire here. Ouch.

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  26. HOLY MOLY! That's an amazing catch! I have to go back are re-watch "Bloodlust" now - but you are so right!

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  27. Thanks! YES! At first, I was like, is that Amy Gumenick (Young Mary)....

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  28. Like your review, thanks ;)

    I like the episode, I always appreciate flashback episodes, but if they could bring back JDM and stop bashing John in his absence, and of course keep up the continuity it'd be best ;)

    I said it before, little Sam's lack of worry was strange. Even if they'd told him Dean was missing just on the day of reunion, still his passiveness was unreal, he hadn't seen his big brother for 2 months, show some passion!

    Also, as great as this episode was, it clashes with Dean's character development. I said it before, his 'saving people, hunting things, family business' in S1 was sincere. I think until things started to weight on him after John's death and Sam's impending fate in S2, he really liked the job, he loved to be a hero like his father, and more importantly he loved to help people and save them. I believe WIAWSNB was his first time to experience a normal life, you could see how shaken up he was after that, like he was considering a normal life for the first time, but of course he couldn't have that, because he can't ignore those in need of help.
    But here he says he doesn't like the job, sorry but I really can't buy that, Dean shrugs off many of his desires and lie about them, but his enthusiasm in S1 was real.

    In the end, like you said, Dylan Everett was amazing. You're right, in that kissing scene he was Jensen himself.

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  29. I would frankly rather see Sam both mad at Dean for not telling him and shouldering yet another burden to protect him and yet at the same time loving him for being the protective big brother who can't stop following John's instructions to watch out for Sammy, If they have written a script .that hits on both of these emotional points. I can only say Oh the feels.

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  30. Excellent points. You've brought up things I hadn't even thought regarding Heaven and whether or not Metatron would allow Sam's soul in. Kudos to you.

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  31. Great review. What bothered me more than anything was the whole 'Dean was lost on a hunt'.. Seriously??? For two months and Sam never questioned it. Like maybe 'Gee he could be dead, I should be searching for him." Drove me nuts.. that and the little Sam at the end. No way he looked 12.
    Don't get me wrong, loved the episode those were just my nitpiks :)

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  32. See this is where I agree with you. when did this turn into a suicide mission for Sam. sam thought taking on the trials was suicide mission for Dean and he wanted to show Dean the light. When did he all of sudden think oh well I might as well check out. I like the points you make about where would sam end up if he died heaven is closed that mean a one way ticket to hell? I thought Sammy was showing Dean the light also? I enjoyed last nights eps and great review also.

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  33. Great review! Agreed on all points. (Even the Rugaru thing; soon as it came up, I thought "waaait a minute...") And super-kudos to the Dean-ager; what an amazing job of giving us a totally convincing mini-Dean!
    Other thoughts:
    1: Did Sonny not look, like, totally like Llewellyn (Josh Brolin) in No Country for Old Men???
    2. Are we to infer that Robin was Dean's first? (What with the promo for next week reminding us of virginity and all...) And/or that she was his first? That'd add a bit of extra edge to the episode and perhaps help explain Dean's general love 'em and leave 'em ethos.
    3. On that note, anyone else see this as sort of the Dean version of that episode about Sam's first love being the ... what was she exactly? The pituitary-eating chick? Jewel Staite?

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  34. If he was as old as he looked in that car it would make sense that Sam wouldn't look if told that his Dad was looking for Dean but we all know that when Dean was 16, Sam was 12 and clever enough not to take Dean and John on face value about what hunting entails.


    If they had kept Dean as 14 as according to the review the original script called for it would make sense because Sam would be 9 or 10 - the age that kid looked and all we would have to think is that he took hunting not as a job hunting monsters but as a camping trip into the woods to hunt deer like he and Dean did with Bobby at that age.


    As for the episode the strongest they've had in a while for me, Dean knows he let Zeke do what he did more for him than Sam, Sam still doesn't fully understand his brother and Dean is also blaming himself for Sam wanting to let go with his thing to Timmy about his holding on to her is making his mother go crazy. Personally I'm getting fed up with the foreshadowing, get the reveal over and done with so we get the fall out with regard to everyone and Sam can actually work out if he wants to live or die because part of the fall out has to involve Sam actually working that out.

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  35. I agree! that Sam looked a lot younger than the 12 he was supposed to have been. But like she said above they changed Dean's age at the last minute when they saw Dylan Everett on screen... So if Dead was 14 than Sam would have been 10... Though honestly that looked more like my what my 5 year old son would be doing in the car than a 10 year old...

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  36. Exactly my thought, he was more like a 5-year child who apparently was past his bet time and was tired, little kid was even playing with toy!!! And we know how observant 8-year-old Sam was.


    This is what bothers me, there are much more ways to show Dean's sacrifices and affection toward Sam, there's no need to go trample on established background, young Dean hating the job and Sam being such an ignorant child?!! Ha!

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  37. Hmmm. Apparently, I'm in the minority. I didn't like last night's episode. My first issue with it was the rugaru thing--it bugged me. And maybe that started the nitpicking. The biggest issue I had was that I thought the age frame chosen for Dean and Sam (16/12) was completely off. (Now that you've explained it was originally supposed to be 14/10, I understand, and I think it would have worked infinitely better for me had they kept the original ages. Or even 12/8 would have worked considering what they were showing us.)


    For instance, a 16 y/o Dean and this Robin was his first kiss? Really? How old was he in After School Special? He was portrayed as a bit of a player already in that episode. Also, a 12 y/o Sam not missing, or worrying, about this MIA brother? Or better yet, a 12 y/o Sam not remembering being in the car on the day Dad drove to the farm to pick Dean up? In my mind, a 12 y/o Sam would've been much smarter and more savvy than what was portrayed here. And that final look at Sam in the car--no, just no.

    I didn't think the teen Dean actor did that good a job. However, I may be judging too harshly and should go back and re-watch after reading your re-cap.

    I did like Dean's interactions with the little boy and liked the ghost/mom storyline. I also liked Sam discovering tidbits he never knew about his brother. Though admittedly, I couldn't for the life of me picture Dean being on a wrestling team--seemed odd to me. Nor could I picture him crying over not being able to take a girl to a school dance.

    I guess I was just being way to critical while watching last night. I felt like they were changing too many of the details of the Dean we all knew.

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  38. About the marks Dean said back on season 2 that he had hunt a werewolf when he was 16, I guess the marks came from that hunt. About the Ruguru i totally agree with you...First was the whole we went to Gran Canyon, when we all know that back on season 2 Dean said he never went there, now this... Someone needs to watch Supernatural all over again lol. Anyway, it was an amazing episode, i loved every single moment...i even cried. I can't really talk about John because i have this love/hate relationship with him... I agree with what you said "Deep down, I think Dean knows that letting Zeke possess Sam was really best for Dean." Dean has been Sam's Dad almost since he was 4 so ask any GOOD Parents, for them, it's not natural bury their children.
    I loved your review, great job!!

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  39. I loved what you wrote!!! I really don't think Dean is selfish, i think about him more like a Dad...A good Dad who can't let his son get hurt. I keep coming back to this point but this is why i understand Dean so well, even if I'm not a mother.

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  40. Oh i didn't think about that you made a GOOD POINT!!!

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  41. i didn't read this before i wrote my comment, but i just said the same thing about the bruises. totally agree with you.

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  42. I didn't think it was strange because he was 16... he might had his doubts along the way...he was facing the chance to have a normal life for the first time...The thought about "This is no way to live" must have crossed his mind... i think he truly embraced the hunt life after those 2 months.

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  43. I completely agree with this comment. I guess we are in a minority. While I have been loving this season I feel that the writers and director missed the mark with this one. Maybe if the ages had been 8-12 or even the 10-14 that was written I could have believed it. all of these things to have come from a 12 yr old Sam/16 year old Dean just didn't feel right to me.

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  44. I still think the age for Sam would have been off b/c we saw how an 8-yr old Sam reacted to learning about the life in AVSC. We saw how worried he was that they might die. There's no way a 9 or 10-yr old Sam would have not remembered this incident or not been worried about Dean.

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  45. I think that happened when Sam began feeling the effects of the trials. Plus, we saw that Sam was willing to die to complete the trials so I guess he just didn't care anymore.

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  46. I had no problem believing Dean would cry over not being able to take a girl to a school dance. Dean has always been emotional, and this wasn't just about a dance - this was him realizing he would never have a life of his own. I could see Dean wrestling too, although he wouldn't have been there long enough to win anything, so that confused me.


    The writing in After School Special was awful and made Dean into such a caricature. I'd rather forget that episode ever existed. Even if I don't, he was 2 years older, and had likely given up.


    I don't think the show said Sam didn't remember picking up Dean. He thought Dean had been on a hunt and been found.

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  47. I don't think they were saying she was his first anything but serious crush/girlfriend.


    That Amy episode seemed to be more about brother angst and fighting, but I guess the lost love angle was similar.

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  48. Dean was never around anyone he could share all of his feelings with. He could never tell Sam his doubts in the first season because he knew Sam didn't want to be a hunter and he was afraid if he showed his own insecurities, especially about John, then Sam would go.


    A large part of Dean even then was a front.


    This is one of the first episodes where he was around people he had no ties to, people he could be more honest with.

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  49. I think it was more the responsibility that lay heavily on him, even more than the hunting life. And this would have been the first time since he was four that Dean wasn't responsible for anyone else - in fact, Sonny was responsible for him. I can only imagine what kind of weight that would be on a teenager. I agree, though, I hate seeing them bash John, and you would think that Sam would remember and be more concerned about his brother being missing - and possibly dead?! - for two months....

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  50. Thanks! I just wrote the same thing in a comment above! LOL! How do you not worry about your brother being missing for 2 months??? Originally, Dean was supposed to be 14 in the episode, so Sam should look 10 - which I think he does. They actually changed Dean's age to 16 in post according to Adam Glass because Dylan looked too old for 14...

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  51. I think it can get more complicated than that - Ben Edlund was working at the show at the time of the Grand Canyon material of season 2, and he still wrote Sam saying they'd been to the Grand Canyon.


    I wish they'd do more research on the past, but I'm more concerned by character consistency. Dean's the only one who ever feels consistent.

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  52. I don't think he really hated the job. I think this was the first time he was free from the responsibility of looking after his brother. If you consider why he wanted to be a mechanic - with cars it's a puzzle you can solve, no one gets hurt, and you can walk away at the end of the day...

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  53. Thanks!
    1 - yes!
    2 - I don't think so. I think she was just his first, and likely only, "normal" kind of relationship.
    3 - not really. Although it's interesting that Sam's first girlfriend is monster/hunt related and Dean's is normal, actual, girl next door!

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  54. OMG - SO agree about After School Special. One of the few episode I _never_ re-watch - it was dreadful! And if you want to talk about a terrible performance - Brock Kelly was never Dean for me.

    I also agree with why Dean was crying. He was giving up a lot more than a dance - and re-shouldering the burden he'd carried his whole life - and is still carrying. It's Sammy, and of course, Dean would say, he's not heavy, and wouldn't want it any other way, but still, it must have been an amazing freeing experience for him.

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  55. Thanks - and I totally agree. Dean is much more like a parent to Sam than a brother in a lot of ways.

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  56. Thanks!
    Totally agree - this was such a nice return to form. It really gives me hope that this is really where they are going with the brothers. We all know there's a big blow up coming, but I think their relationship has matured to this. Dean finally has the stability of a home in the bunker, and I think that's going to let him let go of Sam a bit - at least enough to give Sam some of the freedom he craves... Anyway, I'm hoping this is a promise of more to come like this episode wise!

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  57. Thanks! Yes, this episode was really a return to form - more of the same please! I think you really hit the nail on the head about why SPN has stayed as successful as it has - that the characters are still mostly believably still developing. They haven't merely fallen into a caricature of themselves.

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  58. In AVSC we saw a 9 year old Sam not 8, it was Christmas 1991 so his experience of hunting would still be more shooting Bambi's mother rather than werewolves. Though he should still worry if Dean disappears for two months. They screwed up with the ruguru and the ages and Sam not worrying about Dean missing for two months. Which in part can be put down to the casting of an actor who looked 16 so they aged Dean up in the story but they forgot Sam would be 12 then.


    As for Sammy in the car, yes even at 9/10 he'd be a little old to wave an aeroplane out a window in the manner he did unless he was really overtired which usually causes the kids I know to start acting a lot younger than their years. I think they left that image like it was because it was to beat it into us that Dean left due to the fact that during his time on the farm he grew up and became a man and Sam was still a little innocent kid who needed someone to give him the support and protection that Sonny gave Dean.



    Though if you also think about it they not only made John look bad for leaving Dean but Bobby too. Sam was with Bobby, Bobby knew Dean wasn't about and he wouldn't have accepted missing on a hunt story. Why the hell didn't Bobby (surrogate father that he was) after finding out the teenage Dean was in a boys home not go and get the kid especially after finding out the reason he was there was he was trying to get him and Sam something to eat?

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  59. Maybe it was only Sam and John at the Grand Canyon and Sam forgot that Dean wasn't there... LOL!

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  60. I thought it would have been interesting if Sam had been hallucinating.

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  61. I agree with you and @Ana Paula about him not liking their living arrangements. That being on the road and moving around motels could be frustrating, he clearly stated that in Yellow Fever, and then when they moved out to the bunker he embraced the idea of their home, he was ecstatic to have his room and that shows how desperate he was to settle down somewhere he can call home. I can clearly see through his bravado 'let's hit the road', 'driving baby',... . Of course it was the safest way for them but it doesn't mean it was desired.


    Well, I think WIAWSNB was his first experience in normal life, I say it from his reaction after that, he was kinda lost, like he just learned what he could have and how happy and carefree he could be.

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  62. Back In Black Tricksteress 9521 November 2013 at 09:45

    The episode was awesome.. it focused on the brotherly relationship and Dean's choice. Plus the episode's storyline was powerful.
    I see that Sam is getting weak so it raises more concern but we'll just haveto let things evolve and see what next the good and the bad. And by the way isn't that great to see Sam reading (well tried to) I would like to see more snippets of him in his own time and hopefully get more insight, but things are looking up so far.
    Dean been amazing ever since. I never doubted that Dean would chose to stay he was really amazing and caring. I'm glad to got to meet a great guy like Sonny, he was a role model. At least there was some goodness in it all.
    So this episode was powerful, brotherly and sweet :)

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  63. Of course with how they play with ages and how easily they change them just because actor doesn't seem 14, w/o a care how it could alternate the mindset of a teenager AND their own canon, I won't go there speculating what was Dean's state of psych back then, but I'm saying from the beginning Dean saw hunting as a hero job, I really can't believe teen-Dean wouldn't want to be a hero like his father and save people.
    But yeah, he could all be lying and eating up his frustration at their living arrangement, moving around constantly, responsibility of taking care of Sam, missing his father,... really, what excuse of a life is that?!

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  64. Hi!

    In my opinion Dean can NOT live without Sam. With Ben and Lisa he had no other choice. He tries to rescue Sam from the Cage, but he wasn't able to. And when Sam came back he went away from Lisa + Ben only for to stay again with Sam...

    And we don't know a lot about the time when Sam was in Stanford, but in some episodes Dean tells indirectly, that he be left high and dry by Sam.

    And to letz Sam jump with Lucifer into the Cage was the first time Dean let Sam make his own desicion - and I'm pretty damn shure that he nerver forgive himself this "mistake" (in his opinion).

    So I think that Dean is selfish about wanting Sam to live - but the truth is - I love exactly this so much on Dean!!!!

    (Sorry for any mistakes - I am not an english native Speaker)

    Ann

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  65. I completely agree about responsibility. That fixing cars was spot on. Responsibility of taking care of a kid could be really hard for grown-ups in difficult situations, it can be crushing for a child; alone, in that dangerous surrounding. My heart broke for 12-yr Dean in Something Wicked, I could cry for a kid with such messed up life. All the work and keeping watch and when just for once he acted a little like his age, he paid the price dearly. It really wasn't fair, no wonder he is still this resolute to take care of Sammy.
    That's why I agree with those saying Dean doesn't deserve bashing about Zeke and Sam, he went and sold his soul when Sam's death wasn't his fault in S2, here he was already upset and guilty he didn't go through trials. Besides it was Sam who told him he wanted them both to live in Trial and Error, but decided to let go, after all their talk in Sacrifice... Well if anything, Dean should be mad at Sam for betraying him, he had promised to live and then decided to die, if Dean hadn't trusted him in Trial and Error he'd never agree to let Sam go through them.

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  66. I agree, maybe responsibility was crushing him, but he'd never think poorly about hunting. But that's not what this episode was trying to convey.
    Even now that he is tired and worn out and full of sorrow, he still takes pride in being a hunter and saving people.

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  67. What character development? didnt we already know that Dean would put Sam before anything?

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  68. Sam is craving freedom? Is that a storyline this year because I thought Sam's storyline this year was that he wants to cure as many demons as he can and doesnt care if he dies doing it?

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  69. Girl next door was never about Sam's first love it was always about Dean's trust issues particularly with Sam, the fact that Amy was portrayed as a monster was basically to justify Dean's reasons for mistrusting Sam and to paint Sam as the bad gy once again.
    Bad Boys was all about how Saint Dean has always given up everything for his abusive father and ungrateful/burden of a brother Sam.

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  70. Well Sam knew all about hunting at the age of 8 having read the truth in John's journal so no he wouldnt have thought Dean was off hunting/camping in the woods.
    How exactly does Sam still not fully understand his brother?

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  71. sounds a lot like Sam bashing to me

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  72. See, I thought that kid who played Dean could have easily passed for 14. When I was in the 8th grade (13-14), there were a few boys w/facial hair! Mustaches and goatees! And they hadn't failed or were left behind. They just looked older than they were. I think the same would have worked here.



    To be honest, this whole episode and the concept behind (i.e., Dean hating hunting) would have worked better if Dean was much younger like 10 or 11. He would have still been young enough to not form any real opinion on hunting, and Sam could have realistically been the clueless, carefree kid he was shown to be.



    Re: Bobby - I guess John just told him to mind his business, and that Dean was his son and he'd do what he wanted w/him. Bobby wouldn't have had any rights to go get Dean.



    The problem w/Sam in this episode is he really wasn't in the episode. Hahaha! He wasn't there in the past in any sense. Just a small child playing w/an airplane, and he was semi-present in the present. The present Sam had no thoughts about the past events as they didn't affect him at all so he just reacts to stuff. With better writers, this could have been a Dean-centric episode that still explored Sam, but the show seems incapable of doing that nowadays.

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  73. if anything Sam would have understood Dean's doubts and insecurities in regards to John and hunting and it probably would have been better for their relationship had he talked to Sam as they had those things in common rather than berating Sam for those exact same things Dean was feeling/wanting/having problems with himself. All this does is make Dean come across as a hypocrite with a 'if I had to give it up so should you' attitude towards Sam.

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  74. Sam is a logical guy. In the premiere, he realized he was in a coma and very close to death. If death was imminent, Sam was fine w/that. There was nothing he could do about that anyway. Sam's internal organs had been burned! No amount of Sam hanging on was going to fix that!



    The fight we see in Sam is whether to live or let go. Sam decided to let go, and once he made the decision, he was at peace. How can Dean be angry w/Sam for accepting reality? Let's be honest . . . . w/o supernatural intervention, Sam was a goner. If an angel hadn't come to help, he'd be dead or possibly in a medically induced coma.



    I'm not sure how Dean could be angry w/Sam. And Sam will have every right to be angry w/Dean for letting an angel possess him w/o his knowledge.

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  75. No offense, Peter, but I feel like you're going back and trying to fit this retcon of Dean's personality and beliefs into the past history of the show, and it simply doesn't work.



    As TVMonkey pointed out, if there would have been anyone to share Dean's true feelings about hunting, it would have been Sam. Sam would have been extremely supportive of Dean if Dean decided he wanted to end the hunt after the YED was killed. They would have been united in killed the YED, so they could start new chapters in their lives. Heck, Sam would have tried to take Dean back to Stanford w/them.


    The reality is up until two days ago, Dean loved the hunting life for most of his life. Now, he suddenly didn't, which calls into question all his admonishment of Sam for going after that "normal." Why get angry w/Sam for going to Stanford and "abandoning" the family when you wanted (and WANT) to do the same thing? It makes Dean a massive hypocrite.



    As w/most things on the show nowadays, I'm choosing to ignore it as the retconned mess it is.



    YMMV though.

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  76. I think Sam has just gotten to a point in his life where he's just done, he's saved people, saved the world, done all he can, suffered for it, attoned for his mistakes and has just reached the end point of his life. Its not going to get better for Sam, if anything something will likely come along to make his life that much worse again so I dont blame him for deciding that now is the time that he should move on from this exsistence.
    All he's currently doing is prolonging the pain, he's living for the hunt and because Dean doesnt want to be alone without Sam. The hunt has always brought nothing but pain and suffering for Sam, who knows how long it would be before Sam was being used in some other huge plot to destroy/save the world and I'm pretty sure Sam feels safe in the knowledge that Dean wont be alone without him. Dean has a lot of people around him he can turn to and he is always making new friends/allies/family members.
    So yes I think Sam is ready to die and I cant say I blame him, I cant fault him in his reasoning, I cant see it as selfish or suicidal. All I see it is as an end.
    Sam deserves to be happy I dont think that will ever be while he's alive but I do see it happening for him in death.

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  77. How was this protecting Sam exactly?
    Other than Dean having to live with his own self induced guilt how is he shouldering another burden?
    Sam will always love Dean but this is not an example of protective big brother, a protective big brother doesnt do whats best for himself instead of the brother he claims to be protecting.
    Sam is an adult who can look out for himself and while its nice to know Dean's got his back when he needs it, was this really a time when Sam needed it?
    Isnt it time Dean stopped following John's orders and learned to think for himself?

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  78. I could buy that with the deal at the end of season 2 but not with this. A violation of someones autonomy like this is not the same to me and esp for someone with the control of his life issues Sam has had. I know we are going into this Dean focused but I hope at least alot of the fandom will show Sam the compassion and understanding he needs .

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  79. I don't think Girl Next Door was about making Sam a bad guy at all, just someone that did not paint monsters as all bad.

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  80. Sam's death wasnt Sam's fault either it was Jakes and I am pretty sure Sam if given a choice would not of wanted Dean to sell his soul. But then is not all of it comes down to Sam's choices and Dean's and how we ourselves choose to view them. I think it is reaching frankly to try and make out a Sam whos internal organs were damaged beyond repair was not being fair to Dean .

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  81. I was watching this excellent episode "smiles" when in the scene where Dean
    young's kissing ........ http://youtu.be/4ZEPf_LQeIw ... TIME(2:50) In this scene :D... I swear I saw the amulet around the neck of
    Dean ... I was so happy. Can anyone confirm if it is true. . Happy!!!:'D

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  82. I have watched ASS several times, but only because I love Colin Ford as Sam, Kelly was awful.

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  83. Thanks for mentioning it...I imagine it Would be hard to try to see everything while taking notes too! If I was doing what you do I would miss A Lot. Lol
    btw-thanks again for doing the great job you are doing,I,for one,really appreciate it!

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  84. I assure you, it's not. I'm saying they both have been through much and know each other enough to know when it comes to hard situations like this, they'll do everything they can to save each other. Sam felt Dean was taking a suicidal path in Trial and Error and intervened, despite Dean's desire. Now Dean saw Sam accepted to give up, so he intervened, with any means he could. He means well and Sam should see that, and he will eventually.

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  85. I agree with you, accepting the inevitable is different from wanting to die, but I'm afraid it's not the case with Sam, as the actors themselves told us Sam has suicidal tendency and it's not finished yet.
    Sam didn't know about his conditions, I'm talking about his will to live. In his mind, at the end of the fight between wanting to live and die, he said he'd done his share and prefer to be in peace rather than going back to his hard life of fighting and struggling. Not that it's wrong, any normal person might choose like that, but when he's leaving a brother he'd promised to be with and fight with until they reach the light at the end of the tunnel, I think he's betraying him.

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  86. Yes, so much to dislike about season 8..

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  87. Wow, there's a surprise. It's an episode about Dean, so of course you dislike it.
    I didn't see it as being about 'Saint Dean". Sam had some very nice moments as well.NOWHERE in this episode was Sam painted in a negative light.
    Can't you EVER watch SPN without your Dean hate clouding everything?

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  88. I don't think Dean is a hypocrite. Your talking about a 16 year old boy! Do people not change their perspectives with time?
    My take is that, after this experience, Dean came to accept his fate, and felt it would be easier to embrace it instead of fight against something he couldn't change. I feel that he felt it would also be easier for Sam to, so he similarly encouraged him to embrace it. But but we know Dean has always tried to put on a brave front for Sam.

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  89. My God, you don't give Dean credit for ANYTHING, do you?
    Dean LOVES Sam. Is it a bit selfish? Sure it is! If something happened to my husband and I wanted to keep him alive because I love him and don't want to live without him, that could also be construed as a bit selfish.
    Jared has had 8 seasons of being the main focus and having lots to do, and he's always been great. Would it kill you so much if Jensen gets some main story time this season? Jared STILL is getting a great acting opportunity here playing a duel role. Jensen should be so lucky. He still only gets to play the exact same thing over and over again.
    I don't think anybody is going to hate Sam for being upset at Dean. He will have every right to be. And I'm sure it will create yet another great acting opportunity for Jared.

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  90. Dean has ONE friend, Cas. The rest are mere acquaintances. I guess by your thinking, we should also consider Jodi a good friend of Sam's.
    And Dean has also been given NOTHING but pain and suffering from the life they lead. BOTH of them have suffered greatly and lost everything and everybody they love.
    But I agree. Dean should have let Sam go. He was WRONG to violate his free will. I just don't see this as meaning Dean is a horrible, selfish prick. He just did what he has always done when it comes to Sam, he was afraid of losing him (because he loves him!)panicked, didn't stop and think logically, and acted in a highly emotional state on impulse. Was it wrong? You better believe it! I believe that if Dean had calmed down and really looked at the situation rationally, he would have been able to do the much harder thing and give Sam what he truly wanted and let him go, but this has always been Dean's greatest personality flaw, his acting on emotional impulse without stopping to think things through. It doesn't condone his actions, it was STILL WRONG, but he acted out of love, not because he's a worthless piece of crap...

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  91. On the contrary, I think that the wonderful brother moments here were to contrast with and underscore the terrible fallout that's to come.

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  92. Some of my favorite scenes in this episode were Sam's; his discoveries of little surprising things about Dean's time at the farm, his reaction to how Dean was so flustered over Robin at the diner, and the fact that he was the one who figured out the connection of Timmy to the ghost.

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  93. Oh, I agree. Sam has led a pretty miserable life. There are very few moments of joy for him, so I understand why he was so willing and eager to accept death and just be done w/life.

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  94. watching this episode again so good

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  95. To be honest i think Brooke Kelly is to blame... i really didn't like him as Dean. But it's just my opinion.

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  96. I'm so happy I"m not the only one!!!! THANK GOD!!! I love Colin he did an amazing job and that's why i like that episode, its a shame he won't be able to play little Sam anymore. But Kelly was the only actor that did a terrible job as Dean.

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