Ratings News - 9th November 2013
Nov 9, 2013
Blue Bloods Cancelled Shows Carrie Diaries Grimm Hawaii 5-0 Last Man Standing Ratings The NeighborsThis table shows the early overnight ratings. These ratings are normally adjusted later in the day when all the ratings have been consolidated to take into account any local preemptions and/or overruns. You can find all the final adjusted numbers in our Ratings Database. (See the About section below for details about ratings)
Each day (except Sunday) during the main TV Season we post the TV Ratings for the previous nights primetime shows for the major broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, CW, FOX, NBC). Cable Network ratings will be added to the Ratings Database.
The first item that gets posted (normally around 2pm GMT) is the early overnight analysis based on the early household numbers (these are not the same as the Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers that are posted later).
Next, if available, we will post the Top 25 Market 18-49 Ratings to give you a rough idea of the ratings to following.
Later on (normally between 4pm-5pm GMT) we post the official early overnight Total Viewers and 18-49 Demo numbers in the table above.
Finally, later in the evening (10pm-11pm GMT) or the following day, the final adjusted ratings numbers are released, these are then posted in the Ratings Database. The Final Adjusted numbers are what we use for all our Renew/Cancellation Tables, Full Season Tables, Ratings Scorecards etc (see below). Friday's Final Adjusted Ratings are normally available on the following Monday.
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Here are the 1/2 hrs for those interested
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – Last Man Standing
Viewers: 6.17 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#2t)
CBS – Undercover Boss
Viewers: 8.40 million (#1), A18-49: 1.6/ 6 (#1)
NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 5.49 million (#3), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#4)
Fox – Masterchef Junior (season finale)
Viewers: 3.97 million (#4), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#2t)
CW – The Carrie Diaries
Viewers: 897,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – The Neighbors
Viewers: 4.55 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 4 (#3t)
CBS – Undercover Boss
Viewers: 10.27 million (#1), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#1)
NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 5.71 million (#2), A18-49: 1.1/ 4 (#3t)
Fox – Masterchef Junior (season finale)
Viewers: 4.45 million (#4), A18-49: 1.6/ 5 (#2)
CW – The Carrie Diaries
Viewers: 712,000 (#5), A18-49: 0.3/ 1 (#5)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank
Viewers: 7.12 million (#2), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)
CBS – Hawaii Five-O
Viewers: 9.43 million (#1), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)
NBC – Grimm
Viewers: 5.00 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)
Fox – Sleepy Hollow (R)
Viewers: 1.92 million (#4), A18-49: 0.6/ 2 (#4)
CW – America’s Next Top Model
Viewers: 1.06 million (#5), A18-49: 0.4/ 1 (#5)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Shark Tank
Viewers: 7.38 million (#2), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#1)
CBS – Hawaii Five-O
Viewers: 9.34 million (#1), A18-49: 1.4/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Grimm
Viewers: 4.87 million (#3), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)
Fox – Sleepy Hollow (R)
Viewers: 1.80 million (#4), A18-49: 0.5/ 2 (#4)
CW – America’s Next Top Model
Viewers: 1.05 million (#5), A18-49: 0.4/ 1 (#5)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 6.11 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#1)
CBS – Blue Bloods
Viewers: 10.79 million (#1), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Dracula
Viewers: 3.06 million (#3), A18-49: 0.9/ 3 (#3)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 5.84 million (#2), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#1t)
CBS – Blue Bloods
Viewers: 11.16 million (#1), A18-49: 1.3/ 5 (#1t)
NBC – Dracula
Viewers: 2.92 million (#3), A18-49: 1.0/ 3 (#3)
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ReplyDeleteNot happy Grimm dropped so much, hope it adjusts up.
ReplyDeleteI am happy for Hawaii Five-0!
ReplyDeleteFLOPULA is a LAME.
ReplyDeleteWORST show on TV except HANNIBAL.
Dear next president,
ReplyDeleteShut down NBC! (and its socialist news channel MSNBC).
Regards from every people in America with a brain.
take it that's bad for Dracula.? :(
ReplyDeleteouch for dracula and carrie diaries , i dont watch either them ratings. im glad last man standing is staying at a 1.4 should be on course for a renewal.
ReplyDeletehopefully draculs ratings get come up
ReplyDeleteI among others was too quick to congratulate NBC on the Grimm/Dracula pairing. Grimm is sliding and Dracula has already lost nearly half of its demo audience. I haven't watched Dracula but I take it critics and viewers alike have crucified it, so I guess word of mouth is quickly being reflected in the numbers.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'm mad but depending on how Reign and TTP continue to do, and how S-C and T100 fare in midseason, I could see The CW renewing TCD for another short season. It's doing the same as BatB on Friday, and unless they give up and make that night strictly reality/repeats, I don't see what's going to do better there (although I guess HoD could be banished to Friday for its final season). Plus, I keep hearing TCD makes most of its splash online. We never know what these numbers are or how much they count, but given that The CW renewed both BatB and TCD last season, we have to assume they aren't making decision based on Nielsen data alone.
ReplyDelete1.3 on Fridays is still a good enough ratings for NBC and it's not a series low either as Grimm already reached 1.2 in the past. I thought last night's episode was good and hope it doesn't fall any further next week.
ReplyDeletehonestly is that really bad for Dracula ??
ReplyDeleteQuestion for Grimm is: Will the writers do a third miracle and turn this season to something watchable and bring the characters back in line? My guess after 3 episodes is a big fat NO!
ReplyDeleteH50 up a 10th from last week wahoo! And the boss is impressed so happy. And yikes Undercover Boss is that right the same numbers as H50 but 1,000 less than H50 how did that happen? Last week I read it wasn't good numbers
ReplyDeletedamn it dracula isn't doing well. damn you moms from hell!
ReplyDeletedracula has more viewers than sleepy hollow ?? and that's getting renewed ..Am o right in thinking that
ReplyDeleteSorry but no. First off, Sleepy Hollow had 7.08 viewers this week and a 2.5 in the demo on Monday. The numbers here are a repeat viewing of that episode and reruns always get lower numbers. Second, Sleepy Hollow is on Fox and Dracula is on NBC so comparing their numbers is pointless. You have to compare Dracula to how other NBC shows are doing since that is who they are competing for in the renewal process.
ReplyDeleteIt is not good. No network except the CW celebrates a 1.0 in demo. However Dracula is on Fridays and NBC has been shaky in the past. Right now odds are NBC lets Dracula finish airing all 10 episodes this season, but it is unlikely that the show will be back next year. The real question is whether Dracula has bottomed out and will remain steady at a 1.0 in demo or if it will continue falling. If it goes under 1.0, it won't come back and then things get iffy even for finishing out the season.
ReplyDeleteah a just dont really get how this works ae :/ but thanks for keeping me right..Just one more thing since am a dummy LOL is the ratings bad bad?? :( for Dracula?
ReplyDeletesorry just saw ur other comment the now
ReplyDeletewell hopefully the ratings improve :/the only way is up (hopefully)..A mean at least if it finishes the season al be happy (would be happier if it got picked up obviously) but guess we need to see..
ReplyDeleteGrimm has a lot more cushion than most shows because it is still doing well compared to most of NBC's scripted shows, it's on a Friday so expectations are lessened, and it's in its third season so they need one more year for syndication. While I too wish the ratings were better and I hope it rises in the finals, I am not worried about Grimm at this time. Sadly, I have other shows I need to worry much more about.
ReplyDeleteRatings are a confusing business, but from what I gather it boils down to this:
ReplyDelete1. Shows only compete against other shows on their network. It doesn't matter what shows on other networks are doing. A poor demo on one network might be acceptable on another.
2. Only Neilsen familes are counted so there isn't really anything international fans or non-Neilsen American fans can do about it. Plus if you are a Nielsen family and you don't watch the commercials it doesn't count, so DVR numbers mean very little.
3. Total viewers do not matter; it's the demo that counts.
4. Sometimes other factors count slightly more than ratings, like shows in their third seasons who only need one more for syndication. Shows in tough spots like Fridays and in the 10 pm slot sometimes get a little more of a break than those in primetime, but not by much.
5. Every year there are at least a couple shows that defy logic. Usually these are on the CW.
hopefully NBC cut dracula a break for being on a Friday ..
ReplyDeleteLike a say if it picks up in the action department then maby the ratings will also pick up..What would be a reasonable rating for Dracula?
Yeah, I know Grimm is pretty safe for another season, unlike some of my other shows, but I just want them to beat the competition on Friday. *g*
ReplyDeleteI'd say it still gets renewed if it stabilizes here though
ReplyDeleteSo far, it is my favorite season. Soo, to each his own
ReplyDeleteI actually think that if it stabilizes here it will probably be back. People are forgetting about how much a co-production can make a show look profitable. Look at what happened with Hannibal last year and that one didn't even have the excuse of airing on a Friday. Dracula's recent airings place it at 65% of NBC's most recent drama average or at 80% if you apply a Friday Factor of 25%. That's high bubble territory in any normal circumstance, but it is probably a likely renewal once you add in the cost advantages.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that Beauty and the Beast and The Carrie Diaries can be explained without using online viewing, whose profitability is likely insignificant, hence mattering only for PR purposes. Consider the following facts for last season:
ReplyDelete- the CW apparently wanted to have 10 hours of original programming airing in the fall, one of which was going to be unscripted (America's Next Top Model)
- Hart of Dixie, Supernatural, Arrow and The Vampire Diaries were sure to return
- the CW doesn't premiere more than 3 new shows in the fall - they've never done this before, which is likely because they lack the promotional capacity to do so
- This meas they had 8 hours fullfilled, 2 more to go
- Beauty and the Beast was doing more than well enough to justify being that 9th hour with the ratings it was getting. 90210, Nikita and Cult certainly weren't better options. So it got its renewal.
- The Carrie Diaries was the next show on the totem-pole for the CW. It was marginally a better candidate than 90210 I believe, and in any case, 90210 had its announced ending already, back when it looked like The Carrie Diaries was doing a bit better than it ended up doing on Mondays. It was certainly a better candidate than Cult. Then, the decision probably came down to the wire between having its 13 episodes or having Nikita in the fall to begin with. On this regards, I note 3 things: 1) They were probably not mutually exclusive anyway, because the way they have done it, it allows them to have original programming on Fridays up until the December hiatus with TCD/ANTM first and then TCD/Nikita. 2) TCD scores better on 18-34, thus receiving a higher premium from advertisers. 3) TCD pairs better with ANTM. Now, I don't know how to explain how come a 6 episode forth season made financial sense for syndication bound Nikita, but once we assume that as true, I am pretty sure these 3 factors (Especially number 1) are more than enough to justify TCD's renewal disregarding online viewing.
Very true. Worrying about Grimm is a very pointless exercise at this point. It's most recent airings place it at 80% of NBC's most recent drama average, and at 100% if you consider a Friday factor of 25%. That is certain renewal anyway you look at it, and it is an absolutely certain renewal if you consider the proximity with 88 episodes.
ReplyDeleteThose Undercover Boss half hours are crazy
ReplyDeleteSo far it's my favorite too. I don't get why some people don't like it
ReplyDeleteSo Grimm is doing good? It must get more seasons in the future :-)
ReplyDeleteGrimm is doing just fine. If it continues like it is and even if it goes a little lower, it will be renewed for syndication purposes.
ReplyDeleteI am enjoying it. So far I like season 1 better but this season is a vast improvement of love spell gone awry and drawn out amnesia.
ReplyDeleteSo basically, it was down to not having enough shows to fill all slots, given their inability to premiere more new shows than they did? In that case, I guess the mild improvement in The CW's performance this season makes a third season of TCD unlikely. Reign and TTP would have to drop another couple of tenths, and stay there, for TCD to be considered an equal or better performer to them. And there's still the possibility of S-C and T100 doing well. Other than TCD, the only CW shows doing badly are HoD and BatB, and we all know HoD isn't going anywhere because it's cheap and they want to drag it through a fourth season for syndication.
ReplyDeleteI too don't get the 6-episode renewal for Nikita, it seems weird that such a small number would affect the profitability of a syndication deal. I think it might have to do with the network saving face and staying true to Pedowitz's claim that they'll give shows a chance to end properly. This is especially true in Nikita's case because the writers, apparently having been assured a renewal because of the syndication factor, ended the season on a cliffhanger (more so than in the previous two seasons - heck, the S2 finale was pretty much a just-in-case series finale). In addition, I've seen someone suggest that the show would do better in DVD sales if people knew they were buying a complete series, rather than one whose story was cut off abruptly due to cancellation. Whether there's any truth to that, I don't know.
For me, it is no higher than low bubble status, especially since that number includes the inflated premiere numbers, but sharing production costs does mitigate the losses. I don't see the need for Dracula simply because they have Hannibal to use as schedule spackle, and I expect that Dracula is still expensive. Also unlike Hannibal, Dracula's word of mouth is terrible so I don't think it has sunk to its lows yet. I don't see NBC renewing any fall show that dips below a 1 in demo unless the schedule completely collapses and Dracula is definitely going to go below a 1. While Hannibal did go below a 1 towards the end, it also premiered in the spring and aired into the summer season when ratings are expected to fall. Dracula, airing when NBC expects better ratings, has received a 1.8, 1.3, and if they hold a 1.0. Throw out the inflated premiere and those are not renewal numbers to me, especially since I do not think it has finished dropping.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to see it beat the competition as well, especially since I like the story line so far this season. Plus the better Grimm does, the more likely NBC is to try more genre shwos. I am all for that.
ReplyDeleteI actually ended up liking the amnesia thing. It sounds awful in theory but in the end I found it quite enjoyable as I thought it was well done and not cheesy. Season 1 is my least favorite season so far mostly because I really didn't care much for it during the first half and had some troubles getting into the show. I found it a bit too ordinary case of the week for my taste.
ReplyDeleteI still think there was some behind the scenes wheeling and dealing so that Carrie Diaries and Nikita were a package deal for the WB.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Nikita, as I've said, I cannot explain it either. I am a bit of a cynic when it comes to the whole "networks want to give closure" thing, so I tend not to believe it and I still think that the deal with >70 episodes had to have some sort of financial draw in it. As for the DVD argument, while that's most likely true, DVD numbers are virtually irrelevant when it comes to the overall profitability of a show. I saw an article a while ago in which the writer showed through a series of estimates that as high as they are, they are unlikely to even match the cost of producing a single episode. So while nice to have, I doubt they make a difference.
ReplyDeleteAs for the carrie diaries, I think it's too soon to speak. I thought for sure it would be a goner and the biggest no brainer cancellation of the season (Excluding freshman shows). However, I thought that it would be doing 0.2s instead of 0.3s and I thought Beauty would be able to pull some occasional 0.4s, giving it a fighting chance for that 10th hour on Friday next year. As it stands, I don't see Beauty being renewed over TCD but there are too many open questions. I think the most important is whether or not does the CW want a permanent show scheduled for Fridays at 9pm next year or are they content with this system of having America's Next Top Model there until the middle of November. If they go for that 10th hour (I assume the 9th hour will go to HoD on Fridays no matter what),then there is a chance that TCD could get it. It has the "bird on one hand" advantage since it has already aired there. However, if more than 2 freshman dramas are renewed, TCD is doomed since there will be no space left!
The biggest factor for Carrie Diaries for me is Mark Pedowitz's desire to have fewer reruns during the season. It seems like he will need even more schedule spackle in order to do that. However the rising tide of the CW ratings, while good for the network, will definitely be cause for sorrow for certain fans. The Nikita renewal number is still puzzling but I do not think it has anything to do with wanting to give their shows a proper ending. If that was the case, then 90210 would also have had a mini wrap-up. Although they got the cancellation notice before the series ended, they did not get it before the series finale was written and spec'd out. If I remember the cancellation came right before the shooting of the finale began when it was too late to change things.
ReplyDeleteI often wonder if the Asian market has a different end number when it comes to syndication. Since Nikita is highly likely to be syndicated there before anywhere else, perhaps 70 episodes is the bottom syndication number there. I also believe, but cannot prove, that the machinations between CBS and the WB made a Nikita/TCD package deal the trade off for keeping BatB, a CBS owned property, on for another full year. Quite frankly I believe BatB is competing only against Reign and whatever pilots CBS owns for next year. No way do they keep WB-only owned shows and not have a CBS-only owned show on the schedule.
Given the state of NBC's ratings, I would say anything at a 1.1 or higher would be cause for renewal. However there are a lot of unknown elements so it's hard to be accurate. Mostly it will depend on how well NBC's other shows do throughout the fall and how many pilots NBC picks up for the 2014-15 season. I don't think NBC will have to make a decision before January at the earliest so I see them definitely taking their time to decide.
ReplyDeleteI was using an average of 1.1 in my calculations so I was already taking out the premiere rating and only giving minimal weight to the second episode. IMO, even a 1.0 on a Friday should be read as something like a 1.2/1.3 on a weekday and that is the number Parenthood is pulling on Thursday, it's higher than what cancelled Ironside did on Wednesdays and is just a tiny lower than Revolution and SVU, also on Wednesdays - hence that 80% of the average if you consider a Friday factor of 25%. I don't see 80% as being anything lower than bubble and this is disregarding the huge cost advantages I suppose there are.
ReplyDeleteWhile you are right about Hannibal's ratings being more excusable than Dracula's ratings are, I still think there is no way that should would be back were it not for the cost advantages being huge, which is why I say the same could easily happen here, especially because, unlike in Hannibal cases, the numbers don't even scream cancellation yet, they merely scream bubble. Hannibal was renewed at 70% of the most recent NBC's drama average by then, which is still a meaningful difference from the 80% Dracula is at (even if you think my Friday factor is too high, Dracula would still be at >70%, considering it is at about 65% with no factor at all).
Of course, if you are right about the continued drops, then it's all fair game and my point no longer stands. My point stands as long as Dracula's average doesn't go below, let's say, 70%. If it does, then I think it is in a lot of danger. As it is, high end bubble it is for me.
well fingers are crossed that the ratings go up and that it gets better and better
ReplyDeletehopefully *fingers crossed* theres a lot of shitty show out right now and this is one of the only ones i can tolerate and look forward to the next ep. lol the others include the walking dead, the blacklist, suits, white collar, sherlock (cause i'm a sucker for torture), S.H.I.E.L.D. (Joss Whedon lol), and Supernatural (nine years i've stayed with it i'm gonna die with this fandom). although sleepy hollow, teen wolf and hawaii five-0 hold my attention for the most part. XD
ReplyDeleteI think part of the reason they renewed Hannibal is the positive reviews on the show. Dracula doesn't even have that to boost it.
ReplyDeleteHannibal had so little numbers last year based on ratings I thought it would be cancelled. So how was it renewed? I thought ratings were #1.
ReplyDeleteFortunately for Hannibal NBC has a number of other shows worse than it in the ratings. Do No Harm, Smash, 1600 Penn, Up All Night.
ReplyDeleteThey can only cancel so many shows.
Hannibal was renewed, in my opinion, because it was extremely cheap for NBC, due to the fact that it was a co-production. The fact that it aired on summer for a significant part of the season also helped. Basically, if the cost was mostly covered, whatever ads NBC was selling would go directly to profit. And there wasn't even an opportunity cost there, because the show was airing mostly on summer (as it can easily do this year as well).
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