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Sunday 11/10/13 Metered Markets
Football Leads NBC to Sunday Victory
Household
Rating/Share
NBC 10.2/16
CBS 9.4/15
ABC 3.6/ 6
Fox 2.4/ 4
-Percent Change from Year-Ago Evening – Sunday 11/11/12:
CBS: +29, NBC: + 2, ABC: -16, Fox: -71
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-Winners:
“60 Minutes” (CBS), “Sunday Night Football” (NBC)
-Losers (excluding repeats):
“Betrayal” (ABC)
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-Ratings Breakdown:
Football-ignited NBC scored another overnight Sunday victory, with the Dallas Cowboys at the New Orleans Saints at an estimated 13.1 rating/21 share for the primetime portion from 8:30-11 p.m. But an approximate 15.9/27 for an estimated 45-minute Football overrun on CBS (from 7-7:45 p.m.) kept the Eye just eight percent below NBC for the evening in the overnights. As a reminder, results for any live sporting evening is always approximate.
Earlier in the evening on NBC was pre-game “Football Night in America” at a 1.8/ 3 at 7 p.m. (#4), a 4.1/ 7 at 7:30 p.m. (#3) and a second-place 8.3/13 in the 8 p.m. half-hour. CBS’ regularly scheduled line-up, of course, is estimated by the late start. “60 Minutes” was above average at a dominant 10.8/17 from 7:45-8:45 p.m., followed by “The Amazing Race” (#2: 6.4/10 from 8:45-9:45 p.m.), “The Good Wife” (#2: 7.3/12 from 9:45-10:45 p.m.) and “The Mentalist” at a 5.8/11 from 10:45-11:45 p.m.
Elsewhere, ABC opening the evening with veteran “America’s Funniest Home Videos” at a distant second-place 3.9/ 6 at 7 p.m., which comparably built by eight percent from the year-ago evening. But the remainder of its line-up was down year-to-year as follows:
ABC/Sunday
8:00 p.m. “Once Upon a Time” – 4.2/ 6 (#3): -26 percent from the year-go evening
9:00 p.m. “Revenge” – 3.8/ 6 (#3): -25 percent
10:00 p.m. “Betrayal” – 2.4/ 4 (#3): -20 percent from former time period occupant “666 Park Avenue”
Animation on Fox, meanwhile, resulted in a loss of a hefty 71 percent year-to-year because of Football in the 7 p.m. hour one year earlier. Encores of “Bob’s Burgers” (#3: 2.6/ 4) and “American Dad” (#4: 1.7/ 3) populated 7-8 p.m., followed by original installments of “The Simpsons” (#4: 2.8/ 4), “Bob’s Burgers” (#4: 2.1/ 3), “Family Guy” (#4: 2.9/ 4) and “American Dad” (#4: 2.2/ 3) from 8-10 p.m.
Source: Nielsen Media Research
Source: Marc Berman@tvmediainsights
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Revenge ;(
ReplyDeleteDamn it Revenge. Hope it's better than it looks on 18-49s
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m. “Once Upon a Time” – 4.2/ 6 (#3)
ReplyDeleteWhat would it have to have gotten to get that 2.3 from last week?
Same here!
ReplyDeleteThere is no direct relationship like that, it is hard to tell.
ReplyDeletedoes anyone know the household number that the good wife got last week?
ReplyDeletePlease, TGW, be steady!
ReplyDeleteWere they not posted here? http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/ratings-news-4th-november-2013.html
ReplyDeleteI want to yay Good Wife, but I don't understand this numbers. But is cristal that was better than Mentalist!
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the point of his year-to-year comparisons. They can be interesting, but bear little relevance when it comes to what people want to know: whether or not a show did well.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Week to week comparisons are far more relevant. Not to mention that I actually consider it wrong to compare shows from different seasons due to the normal seasonal decline. It's like comparing the prices of a house today and the price of a house a year ago - it's apples and oranges and should not be done.
ReplyDeleteWait for the demos.
ReplyDeleteWhat ends up happening is that I look at his analysis to get a general idea of things before the demos come out, but it doesn't tell me anything. Okay, the show did 25% less than it did a year ago - who cares? If it's a higher number than it did last WEEK, it's not "disappointing for ABC" or whatever.
ReplyDeleteYeah me too. I can only take conclusions from his analysis when it's a very obvious thing but other than that it is just to get a very general idea and often is misleading. Still, it would be more helpful if he were to compare it with last week's rather than last year!
ReplyDeleteOh my god, these are absolutely terrible news for Revenge. It did 1.1 in the second half hour, I can't believe it!
ReplyDeleteYikes, that low.
ReplyDeleteHere are the 1/2 hr breakdowns
ReplyDelete8:00 p.m.
ABC – Once Upon a Time
Viewers: 6.64 million (#3), A18-49: 2.1/ 5 (#3)
CBS – 60 Minutes
Viewers: 15.14 million (#1), A18-49: 3.3/ 8 (#2)
NBC – Football Night in America, part 3
Viewers: 14.60 million (#2), A18-49: 5.2/13 (#1)
Fox – The Simpsons
Viewers: 4.27 million (#4), A18-49: 1.9/ 5 (#4)
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8:30 p.m.
ABC – Once Upon a Time
Viewers: 6.63 million (#3), A18-49: 2.1/ 5 (#3)
CBS – 60 Minutes / The Amazing Race
Viewers: 11.89 million (#2), A18-49: 2.5/ 6 (#2)
NBC – Sunday Night Football: Dallas at New Orleans
Viewers: 20.73 million (#1), A18-49: 7.3/18 (#1)
Fox – Bob’s Burgers
Viewers: 3.21 million (#4), A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#4)
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9:00 p.m.
ABC – Revenge
Viewers: 5.82 million (#3), A18-49: 1.5/ 3 (#4)
CBS – The Amazing Race
Viewers: 9.04 million (#2), A18-49: 2.0/ 5 (#2t)
NBC – Sunday Night Football: Dallas at New Orleans
Viewers: 20.54 million (#1), A18-49: 7.2/17 (#1)
Fox – Family Guy
Viewers: 4.16 million (#4), A18-49: 2.0/ 5 (#2t)
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9:30 p.m.
ABC – Revenge
Viewers: 5.18 million (#3), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#4)
CBS – The Amazing Race / The Good Wife
Viewers: 9.62 million (#2), A18-49: 1.8/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Sunday Night Football: Dallas at New Orleans
Viewers: 20.16 million (#1), A18-49: 7.3/17 (#1)
Fox – American Dad
Viewers: 3.52 million (#4), A18-49: 1.6/ 3 (#4)
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10:00 p.m.
ABC – Betrayal
Viewers: 3.34 million (#3), A18-49: 0.8/ 2 (#3)
CBS – The Good Wife
Viewers: 10.18 million (#2), A18-49: 1.6/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Sunday Night Football: Dallas at New Orleans
Viewers: 17.89 million (#1), A18-49: 6.8/17 (#1)
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10:30 p.m.
ABC – Betrayal
Viewers: 3.17 million (#3), A18-49: 0.8/ 2 (#3)
CBS – The Good Wife / The Mentalist
Viewers: 9.26 million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 4 (#2)
NBC – Sunday Night Football: Dallas at New Orleans
Viewers: 17.16 million (#1), A18-49: 6.5/18 (#1)
omg a 1.3 for revenge? man thats low
ReplyDelete6.64 for OUAT? nonono
ReplyDelete5.55 for Revenge? nonono
what the hell...what happened sunday night ? why are all the series that low ??
ReplyDeleteIt's sinking.
ReplyDeleteI hate ABC with passion right now. Someone should fire Paul Lee.
ReplyDeleteI don't even know what to say, this is terrible!
ReplyDeletei can't believe revenge fell 4 tenths in its second half hour
ReplyDeletei'm so angry right now i wouldn've been okay with a 1.5 but a 1.3 thats pretty low
ReplyDeleteThey have to stop airing dramas on Sunday nights, period. They are just being stubborn at this point.
ReplyDeletei really can't believe it it got a 1.7 last week and fell to a 1.3 i hope that it doesn't adjust down
ReplyDeleteIt's awful! And imagine that it could even adjust down! I am pissed
ReplyDeleteNooooooooooo, series low for Revenge?! And here I was hoping for a comeback after last week... :(
ReplyDeleteABC is a disaster except for GA/Scandal and MF.
ReplyDeleteSame here. I think this low actually hurts more after last week's rise.
ReplyDeleteNoooo, I love Revenge. It looks really bad :(
ReplyDeleteMe neither, what the hell?!
ReplyDeletesundays night is not good for ouat
ReplyDeleteI guess they can go back to airing movies on Sundays after this is all over.
ReplyDeleteThis is so depressing.
ReplyDeleteNormally I would highlight other things that they also do right, but right now I won't bother defending them a slightest bit, I am pissed.
ReplyDeletenever in a million years that i expected revenge to fall that low
ReplyDeleteExactly.
ReplyDeleteIf they stopped with this ridiculous love triangle on OUAT maybe things would pick up.
ReplyDeleteThat is just... ouch for Revenge
ReplyDeleteShould have kept desperate housewives.It was too early to remove Revenge from it's 10 pm spot
ReplyDeleteWTF Happened to Revenge?!?!?!
ReplyDeleteOMG Revenge 1.1...
ReplyDeleteOMG 1.3 for Revenge :(
ReplyDeleteI really think that moving both GA & Scandal an hour earlier, and then swapping nights between OUaTiW (Sunday 9pm) & Revenge (Thursday 10pm) would be a low-risk, and possibly great move for them. OUaTiW is headed for the meat grinder anyway, so why not put Revenge, a show that's supposed to be around at least until May 2015, on Thursday? And who knows, maybe having its parent show as a lead-in would help OUaTiW - it's not like they have anything to lose because it certainly isn't going to rise in its current slot. And I don't think the move would hurt Scandal or GA either, these shows have large and loyal audiences, they aren't going to suddenly disappear because the shows moved an hour earlier. And Scandal is the best possible lead-in for Revenge, both high-rated and quite a similar show.
ReplyDeleteThey just CAN'T leave Revenge in this slot, again football and The Walking Dead. It doesn't stand a chance. I had hope after last week but apparently that 1.7 was an anomaly.
it fell 4 tenths in its second half hour if it does adjust down then it would get a 1.2
ReplyDeleteof course you can thank ABC brilliant pr department. thanks for putting WHOLE ouat episode recap 2 days before it aired.*----*
ReplyDeleteLMAO @ the downvotes. Talk about shooting the messenger!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, Revenge should've kept its' Wed. slot.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this. I have been saying this for months now... I also think even OUAT should be moved to Tuesdays eventually but I understand that being a secondary move. Revenge has to move from Sundays now and I agree with everything you've said, that move has to happen. But it won't, let's not fool ourselves, ABC is too stubborn for that and they will leave Revenge there to die, and debut yet another two DOA shows Sundays at 10 and Thursday at 8. They won't change that, they are stupid.
ReplyDeleteonce upon a time got a series low in viewers so that probably played a role in revenges series low
ReplyDeleteWhere do you see the downvotes?
ReplyDeleteNow they have another dying time slot.
ReplyDeleteWhat downvotes?
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why they try show after show after show in that accursed Thursday 8pm slot. It's the definition of madness - performing the same task over and over again and expecting different results... just put GA there and solve the problem for good!
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, OUaT would probably also benefit from a move. They should try to counter-program Sunday with comedies or reality.
i'm just so pissed and sad right now i still can't believe what revenge got
ReplyDeleteOk, there's always next week. Two weeks ago R
ReplyDeletewhat makes it even more shocking is that it got a 1.1 in its second half hour
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how it fell so much in the second half hour... it wasn't one of the better episodes of the season (in my opinion) but it was FAR from bad. And in general terms, isn't such a huge drop quite unusual?
ReplyDeleteTVbythenumbers says 1.4... which isn't much better, but at least it is a season low tieing and not a new low... that's something
ReplyDeletesure last nights episode wasn't but i think because the episode mostly centered around nolan and his revenge, but i still enjoyed the episode
ReplyDeleteSomething must be wrong with my Disqus... I see it as your post having 7 downvotes and 1 upvote (which wasn't there before). Go figure.
ReplyDeleteSee my reply to DarkUFO... very odd.
ReplyDelete@DarkUFO @omabin I think there's a glitch with the votes on that comment because this is what I see.
ReplyDeleteOh jesus, Revenge! This is not good at all. :(
ReplyDeletethank god at least a 1.4 is better then a 1.3
ReplyDeleteRevenge need to move !!
ReplyDeleteFrom CBS
ReplyDeleteNote: CBS aired late running football (until approximately 7:47PM ET) in Eastern and Central time zones. CBS ratings and time period rankings for all networks are tentative and subject to change.
From 8-9PM, 60 MINUTES was second in viewers (13.51m), A18-49 (2.9), A25-54 (3.7)
From 9-10 PM, THE AMAZING RACE was second in viewers (9.33m), A18-49 (1.9) and A25-54 (2.6)
From 10-11PM, THE GOOD WIFE was second in viewers (9.72m), A18-49 (1.5) and A25-54 (2.2)
At 11PM, THE MENTALIST delivered 7.74m viewers, 1.3 in adults 18-49 and 1.8 in adults 25-54.
For the night, CBS was second in viewers (13.14m), A18-49 (3.0) and A25-54 (3.8)
Yep,just updated the table. It seems the early release has some incorrect numbers.
ReplyDeleteOh lol.
ReplyDeletePay no mind to downvotes anyway, they don't mean squat.
The 2nd Revenge 1/2 hr was incorrectly sent out.
ReplyDeleteIt now reads
Viewers: 5.18 million (#3), A18-49: 1.2/ 3 (#4)
I guess that's something... provided that it doesn't adjust down of course. :/
ReplyDeletelet's hope it doesn't. Hell, let it adjust up for once!
ReplyDeleteAha, a refresh did the trick. :) Lol.
ReplyDeleteIf Revenge doesn't GTFO Sundays, and soon, Emily needs to start plotting her takedown of ABC.
ReplyDeleteShould be easier than the Graysons with the way things are going in that network except for a few shows of course.
ReplyDeletereally hope that revenge doesn't adjust down though
ReplyDelete"But is cristal that was better than Mentalist!"
ReplyDeleteBecause most of the fans watched the episode online last week :)
Well, OUAT has again the best demo of all networks against sport and cable.
ReplyDeleteits unlikely that it will adjust up because it hasn't all season hopefully it will at least remain stable
ReplyDeleteAhahah best comment of the day by far, thank you!!
ReplyDeleteThursdays!!!
ReplyDeleteThey need to move it out of there already, it's pathetic!
ReplyDeleteIt's statistically meaningless but still makes me feel slightly less angry. Still hate it though, damn you ABC
ReplyDeleteI cannot understand that!
ReplyDeleteTo be honest I fair worse on Thursdays with Revolution but that's only because Revenge is in third season so I still expect it to get renewed due to syndication. But this night frustrates me more though, because ABC refuses to act, it's simply impossible to watch them standing there and let it die
ReplyDeleteI disagree a bit with that as I think they still had reason to try there. Most of the shows they've tried there have been either: a) too narrow in its appeal, b) not compatible with the female dramas from the night at all or c) from universally perceived bad quality. There is a lot they could try there that they haven't yet and so I understand them for trying. But at this point, it's just madness to sacrifice yet another midseason show (because all three they have fall victim of one of these 3 points) and revenge.
ReplyDeleteA bit better
ReplyDeletejust checked the half hours again and it was a 1.2 in its second half hour
ReplyDeleteYeah I've seen that as well now. It's still terrible though, albeit slightly less. Will ABC wise up and move it?
ReplyDeletei wish, abc basically killed it, it was still growing when it was on wendesdays if abc waited a bit longer to move it to sundays then maybe i wouldldn've fell this much
ReplyDeleteI'm glad I lifted your spirits a bit :)
ReplyDeleteSeriously though, we need a support group or something for Revenge fans. God knows I could've used one with Nikita last year.
well a 1.4 isn't good but at least it didn't hit a new low
ReplyDeleteAhah. It's very painful indeed. The problem is that it is really frustrating to watch when something could actually be done and they aren't doing it. That's what infuriates me the most.
ReplyDeleteDon't watch revenge, but wow, sorry to see them down that much. I've heard good things about it.
ReplyDeleteif abc were to cancel revenge then i don't think that abc will cancel it without an ending, it would be downright cruel if they decide to cancel it after 3 seasons only for it to not have an ending. i think abc will give revenge like 10 episodes to wrap things up kind of like what they did with nikita
ReplyDeleteI concur (but you already know that, lol). I don't watch Scandal, at least yet, but a Revenge/Scandal combo would be SO badass. ABC should realize it's in their own best interests to boost Revenge's performance. How many shows do they intend to cancel this year? Because if Revenge goes, they're pretty much forced to keep Nashville. The only shows that can be considered successful right now are AoS, OUaT, MF, GA and Scandal, right? That's hardly enough. (And even AoS and OUaT aren't doing AS well as they expect.)
ReplyDeletesend a letter to ABC ! ^^
ReplyDeleteYeah, with a lot of angry smilies...
ReplyDeletea letter full of frustration
ReplyDeleteIt's a sad state of affairs when the decision-making by your execs makes The CW look good.
ReplyDeleteDidn't TGW drop a tenth? Why are its fans so excited on TVBN?
ReplyDeletei say that revenge should be moved to a better channel
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ReplyDeleteThe 1.4 it got this week changes nothing from my prediction. I still say it is likely to be renewed and I don't even expect it to come down to the wire. I think it will be renewed comfortably because of syndication.
ReplyDeleteABC will not cancel Revenge. Syndication will prevent it. It really would have to go those very low 1s levels permanently while the rest of the ABC dramas would still perform at their current levels AND it would have to score a ridiculously bad syndication deal (CW style). I don't see both happening.
ReplyDeleteThe CW had the best upfront moves of all networks IMO. Sure, they were simpler moves considering what they had to work with, but still. ABC was by far the dumbest network with scheduling. It has always been and will continue to be. We are talking about a network that thought it would be a good idea to pair Happy Endings and DWTS, with the former airing against the youngest skewing show on television nonetheless. It is also the same network that decided that airing Super Fun Night after Modern Family was a good idea, that keeping Revenge on Sundays was a good idea and that premiering a male skewing drama, Last Resort, opposite big bang and followed by female skewing dramas was a good idea. I could go on and on but you get the idea. They are incapable of scheduling.
ReplyDeleteThe Good Wife's ratings are very rough estimates at this point because of the overuns. We need to wait for finals.
ReplyDeleteAs mentioned in the post, the CBS numbers are all over the place due to the 1/2 overruns.
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to wait for the final adjust numbers to come through later.
I don't think so... If you look at ratings/half hour, you realise that Revenge fell from 1.5 to 1.1... I like Revenge, but when I look at the ratings/half hour, I'm telling myself that part of the public who watched Revenge last night were just OUAT viewers who didn't turn off their TV or forgot to watch TWD... At 9.30 PM, Revenge makes half the rating OUAT made one hour earlier... Whereas OUAT didn't loose anyboby from 8.00 pm to 9.00 pm. So it's certainly not OUAT's fault, and it's certainly not good for Revenge...
ReplyDeletethey just updated the table revenge got a 1.5 to 1.2
ReplyDeleteI wasn't crazy about Last Resort (could take it or leave it) but I still don't get how a show like that tanked. The answer, of course - ABC's scheduling. I look at the shows they put in that slot in recent years and none of them fit in a female-skewing night. LR was a political thriller/drama. FlashForward - sci-fi/mystery. Zero Hour - fantasy/mystery/adventure. OUaTiW - young-skewing fantasy/adventure show. Etc. Enough already! And since I've mentioned Nikita already, I will never not think that in a parallel universe where The CW had scheduled it better, it would've done well. 3 years' worth of retrospect demonstrate that TVD isn't a good lead-in. They should've tried it somewhere else before exiling it to Friday 8pm and then making it even worse the subsequent season by moving it to 9pm on the same night, with ANTM (!!!) as a lead-in.
ReplyDeleteGenuinely sad about Revenge because creatively this season has been a huge improvement on S2. ABC really should not have moved it to Sundays so quickly, I hope the show gets to wrap up the storylines at least. Really the way the show is going given the advance warning I think the majority of things could be sorted out by the finale.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's better for shows to be doing "decent" or just "mediocre" in the ratings department in it's first season instead of being relatively "ratings hits", a la Scandal. Then just go on from there...
ReplyDeleteSunday nights ratings are sooo depressing. And it's actually my favorite night of the week to watch television!
ReplyDeleteAlso because the cra*** timeslot? I mean how can people watch a show that airs at 11pm??
ReplyDeleteSame here.
ReplyDeleteI see where you're coming from but it's not a clear story. While it's true that shows that go higher tend to fall faster, if they go high enough, they will outlive smaller, yet steadier shows in the long run. Grey's Anatomy is the prime example of that. On the other hand, Castle would be an example of the small, steadier shows, outliving more hyped shows. I think it could go both ways honestly.
ReplyDeleteRevenge will still be renewed this year. But I agree, this season has been awesome.
ReplyDeleteIt is true. They have yet to try a show in the Thursdays at 8 slot that is A)Female skewing compatible with the rest of the night and B) With broad appeal and C) With decent quality (defined as not pawned by all critics in the universe), as subjective as this one may be. All shows they've aired there failed in at least one of these. The slot is hard but I think it's their incompetent efforts that make it impossible.
ReplyDeleteAs for Nikita, I disagree with you in your notion that TVD is a bad lead-in. I find no evidence of that. It's exactly the same argument as for the ABC Thursdays at 8 slot, it's a problem of the shows they've aired there, not of the slot. Nikita was incompatible with TVD, Beauty and the Beast is universally hated by all the critics in the world, and The Secret Circle was rejected by the audience but it did have one to begin with. The show was sampled and then rejected and when is a situation like that you cannot blame it on the lead-in. To be fair, all the shows on that slot were sampled, there was just no desire from the audience to stick with it. That is not the lead in's fault, I don't see how you can make that reasoning.