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POLL: What was the best scene in The Mentalist - Red John?

Nov 27, 2013

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20 comments:

  1. Famous4itNovember 27, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Other: The gang comes to Jane's rescue when the FBI try to arrest him. Specially the part where they all pull out their guns!

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  2. CitizenK01November 27, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    The first 10 seconds - when there was still hope that this would be a great episode.

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  3. SahmeranNovember 27, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    It was such an awful, ridiculous and cheap closure for RJ Case and one of the biggest disappointments and scandals in TV history that the only good scene was Cho's coming forward...A complete insult to the fans... This episode ruined a character that could have a chance to become one of the cult serial killers in TV history. (though Xander Berkeley is a good actor). The confrontation between the two characters was so childish and cheap that I couldn't really believe my eyes. What a pity! Please Bruno, resign from this show and leave it to better writers...You haven't got any respect for your viewers and your post-episode interviews are like swearing and mocking with us. Why did you put a lot of clues throughout six seasons if you weren't going to answer them (at least the most important ones) and escaping from the answers? What about his explanation about "RJ's being a real psychic?". You're unbeliaveble. For six years, Jane has been underlining that there is no such a thing but instead of explaining this logically, you mock with the viewers! I'm really so sad and pissed off because the show didn't deserve that.

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  4. GaelleNovember 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Jane strangling McAllister for sure, that scene and Simon Baker blew me away.

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  5. FrancescaNovember 27, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    and then Lisbon says "Take my car"

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  6. diana mack.November 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    I'd like you to remember this is a poll. If you want to say something against the episode, please move to another post.

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  7. Famous4itNovember 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Yes!! Can't wait for the next episode!

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  8. Bonnie MaynesNovember 27, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Awesome episode. Full of surprises. The best scene was Jane killing Red John. I love this show.

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  9. BabsNovember 27, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    My second choice would be the team coming to Jane's defense and pulling their guns, then Lisbon saying "take my car". Simon Baker's acting in the strangling scene was awesome. There was so much emotion on his face-it was heartbreaking.

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  10. JJNovember 27, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Yep - Loved it, too!

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  11. SahmeranNovember 27, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    If you read carefully, I stated my favourite scene. If I hadn't, you would have been right. I just added my thoughts because I watched the episode a bit late. Calm down and don't judge my comments just because you're against it. My comment won't make this poll dirty so don't worry!

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  12. apersonNovember 27, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    I think you Sahmeran, missed the ENTIRE point of this television series from the sounds of it. You understanding of what happened, especially by you wanting the answers of a real psychic speaks to this. The whole point is that Jane was right. Red John aka Tom McAllister had DELUSIONS of grandeur. The fact of the matter is that he is just a man. Red John is not real, he never was. It was all an illusion. Once you take away the man behind the curtain, he turns from a Wizard, to just Oz. Even Patrick said, "i am a little disappointed" when he finally met Red John. There is no such thing as psychics, that was the explanation. Red John is NOT psychic. The answers to those questions about Red John... "the rest is just details" like Patrick said. The story is not about Red John. It is about Patrick Jane who wanted to avenge his family. He doesn't care who Red John was or is. The only reason he wants to know is to kill him. That is it. He will never get his daughter back, hug his wife, walk Charlotte down the aisle. No answers will give him that. There was no mocking to the audience. The writers could not have been more realistic. They took the mystery of it. What serial killer have you ever heard of that was all powerful when they were finally taken down? Was Castro? No. Was the recent white supremacist guy who was executed with the long hair? No. They are insane, mentally unstable men. There is evil in ordinary. That is the point. The fact that Red John tried to call 911 is in fact keeping with his character. He is so delusional, that he thinks he could pull off getting help and framing Patrick. That is Red John. That is amazing writing and television. Simon's acting at the end. Phenomenal. Again, i get you have your opinions. That is cool. This is just my response to it.

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  13. SahmeranNovember 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    I'm answering because this is your poll :) Yes, exactly! That's why I'm so disappointed and pissed off. I mean "until this episode", the character had a chance to become a hit serial killer in TV history. There was just one step to that. With a good and detailed complementation in 6x08 (like well-written flashbacks, filling the character's background "of course, in paralel with the characteristics since season 1", that could've happened but Bruno missed that opportunity.



    No, no! You're not annoying. I just want to clarify those two sentences ;)

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  14. apersonNovember 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    read your points. I still disagree with you. Im sorry. But you honestly do not understand the point of the show, in my opinion and you are looking at it from a different perspective.

    1) You say RJ had intelligence to build an organization. By the cloak and dagger of it all, Red John just needed the intelligence of other people and the fear of what COULD happen to have power and to run it. Everyone ran it together under the guise of a leader. That is what he did. Even Reede Smith followed orders not even realizing it was Red John. So no, he didn't do it by himself. It required cooperation. You are looking at Red John as if he is not human....you are buying into the illusion...that is not what this is about. I think Bruno Heller was right also about the forty minutes.

    2) Egomaniac yes...that does not mean that when someone is about to kill you, instincts for survival do not kick in. Red John is a HUMAN BEING. He is so egotistical he tries to get Jane to stop him. Why? Because Red John only cares about himself and wants to live. So it makes sense that he would beg.

    3) The clues were tools to identify Red John...not to desconstruct the mystery about him. The show is not find out all about red john. the show is "find about about Red John's identity so that Jane can kill him." Never has Jane questioned any back story about Red John unless it was in the context of WHO he is if you think about it. That is all he cares about. Not how he got the list. He never cared. That is all the tools were, just tools.

    4) I think Bruno Heller was right also about the forty minutes. He does not have utter leniency in how the episodes are structured. CBS has to OK a two parter

    5) for Jane not catching a wounded RJ? Jane is not a fit person. He avoids running at all costs.....have you not seen the episodes? Red John is more fit then him by Rosalind Harker's accounts.So even if he is wounded, he has that edge.

    6) Jane as a fool....? He is human too...so he predicts everything? HE IS NOT PSYCHIC! Also, at that moment in the church he is so emotionally charged he is not thinking clearly! Of course he would not suspect it. why would he? He has RJ in front of him. That is all he cares about.
    The act of strangling Red John....WAY more powerful then the mall scene in my opinion. In this, we saw the release that Patrick Jane felt, his face, his expressions. He felt the life drain from Red John. It was intimate. Jane was strangling Red John sitting on him. Essentially, the scene imitated sex. In that moment, the confrontation exceeded and lived up to my expectations. Jane was so overwhelmed with emotion.

    As for Simon Baker's acting? That is where yeah, I think you have missed the mark. Again, in my opinion. Did you not see his face after he kills Red John? That was equal, even better then his acting in Devil Cherry, S and Cream and Fugue in Red. He was, in my opinion as amazing as always. The camera focused on him, because again, not about Red John, it is about a man's vengeance The point where he was about to kill himself as well in that scene. I could hear what he was thinking too. Simon Baker did that with his eyes alone! That is wonderful acting.




    Sorry that you led your expectations up to a point where you thought Red John was this diety, like superhuman. Sounds like it ruined it for you. I am not saying this sarcastically either. I am sincerely, really sorry. I would be upset if I felt this way because I have watched from the start to. I get your points. I just disagree. Also, I am honestly friendly debating this, not meant to offend you in any way.

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  15. apersonNovember 28, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    I won't post anything after this (could totally debate this till cows come home though because i love to).


    1) RJ is a coward. He goes around killing innocent children and people who have done NOTHING to him in the dark. Yes, it is not cowardly to kill but the manner he does it. Hell yes it is. He also uses other people to do most of his dirty work, like Patridge says. He doesn't even have the gall to go in the limo to meet Jane that time. There was a point about the sorry thing that was poetic and detailed, heartbreaking. I don't think you picked it up (most people wouldn't so I get that).


    Here is is, Season One, Episode 2 (also the episode with McAllister) to the boy whose sister had died, while they are eating ice cream.
    Jane: Being sorry is a far worse punishment then being dead. Everybody dies. Very rarely are people truly sorry for what they have done.
    - so the sorry was about Jane's own personal feeling and meaning behind sorry. Not just 'oh yay! your sorry.


    As for intelligence, at this point RJ is about to be caught. He is slipping. He is falling. He is being caught. He makes mistakes, he is sloppy. If he was so intelligent Jane would never catch him.


    2) There are lots of psychopaths who can fear death. They feel no empathy for others, but they sure as hell feel for themselves. He is not a robot. Of course he wants to live. Living actually beats Jane. Jane wants to kill him. RJ in living, defies EVERYTHING Jane has worked for.


    3) Your point about Bruno Heller and decisions being ridiculous? Ummm no, its not. It is how network television works. Sorry but true. They hold the money. They approve everything.


    4) Yes, Jane is NOT fit. The Sheriff being wounded as an excuse? Umm he eventually collapsed from it. Adrenaline anyone? Fear of being caught overriding it? People can do amazing things, so yeah I can still see the Sheriff, who does things like running away after killing people already coupled with adrenaline still for a short while outrunning someone who is not. Yes it makes sense. Also, Jane was never that far behind either due to his own adrenaline.
    Another reason why they had to chase? Because the death was supposed to happen in a park. It was to do with imagery and juxtaposition. Intimacy, and for it to happen in the same place where the bodies of A and C are buried. It was Simon Baker's idea and it was brilliant (IMO). There is no other logical way to get him there other then that. How would you have done it? Jane pick him up and take him there?



    5) How Jane made his list? Are you kidding? Seriously? There was a whole scene with Lisbon explaining that....I am not even going to bother with this question.


    6) Vocal chess game? There was one. In the Church. RJ tested Jane about the bomb in the house. Appreciation...Hind sight...yeah that was a chess game to me. That moment where Jane was sitting on him. That was more then any vocal chess game. No words can encapsulate how horrible the situation that is being depicted. Jane can barley say his wife and daughter's names. That is all he associates with Red John. So he is just going to calmly sit RJ down and talk? No. That man took his family away. He is done. He wants to kill him. Jane is emotionally exhausted. That is why Simon Baker was amazing. That is why the time for words is over .

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  16. Connor DaveyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Seeing as it's impossible to have a post these days without this coming up, I'll address it. Please note if this comes across as venomous or sarcastic - it's because it is - but in general, not personally to you: Too late, he already IS 'one of the cult serial killers in TV history' whether you like it or not. The fact that *gasp* he was a man and *gasp* didn't rise from hell wearing a cape and *gasp* had fears and *GASP* didn't answer every single lingering question from the past 5 years doesn't change that. I loved this episode, some didn't - it was always going to be the case - but the fact remains that Red John was and always will be about the mystery. He was a ghost. That smiley. Wow. Why do you think we had 5+ years not knowing who he is followed by 10-15 minutes of him as a person? Because RED JOHN is a myth. That's what it's about. Even the name SCREAMS mythology. A reveal that some people weren't happy with does not change that.

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  17. Connor DaveyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    WAIT? This is a best scene poll? Jeez, wouldn't have thought it looking at the comments.


    Anyway, tons of great scenes, but Jane killing McAllister definitely.

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  18. nelsNovember 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Ha!

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  19. ZalNovember 29, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    I thought the scene in which Jane killes Red John and the camera focuses on him was really well done. I shows she reality of murdering someone, it takes a while and it is disgusting. Even though Jane gets what he wants you see this broken man break a little more. I liked this episode, I think people were expecting some sort of god when it comes to Red John, but I always thought he's simply a smart creep who kills defenceless people cause it makes him feel powerful. That scene where he disguises his voice like he usually did when talking to Jane gave me the creeps, kudos to the actor.

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  20. Patricia GómezNovember 30, 2013 at 6:43 AM

    Lisbon, Cho, Risgby & Van Pelt in the car of FBI :D

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