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Nov 18, 2013

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  1. klutzy_girlNovember 18, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    That was such a boring episode. I don't care about the Governor or what he was doing. It only got interesting during like the last ten minutes.


    Ugh at them dragging out the "Daryl finds out what Rick did" plot two more episodes.

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  2. Bec666November 18, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    God, what a waste of an episode....

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  3. SharpFangsNovember 18, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    Eh.
    Kind of boring TBH, I should have watched Homeland at 9 instead.
    Hopefully next week will be better.

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  4. Bec666November 18, 2013 at 3:07 AM

    Horribly boring episode.. Next week doesn't hold much promise either

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  5. CarrigonNovember 18, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    I hated it. I just want to see our regular group. This was a total waste. I don't care about the people the Governor is with. They should have only had a brief flashback on all that and given us a regular ep. This sucked. Are they really going to drag this out for another full ep? OMG.

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  6. CJNovember 18, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    Yeah like homeland is sooooo much more exciting

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  7. SharpFangsNovember 18, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    I'm sure Homeland was more exciting than TWD tonight.

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  8. SlimnebNovember 18, 2013 at 3:36 AM

    Hah, was expecting to come and post about how boring it was/waste of episode, and get yelled at, but you all beat me to it! Everyone cares so much more about what Daryls reaction is gonna be it's ridiculous.

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  9. Jorge Castro SalinasNovember 18, 2013 at 3:38 AM

    I loved it. I'm tired of people just watching the show because of Daryl, regardless of what happens. It was a good character-development based episode.

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  10. CJNovember 18, 2013 at 3:41 AM

    i doubt it but next week should be better

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  11. CJNovember 18, 2013 at 3:49 AM

    I feel like thats such a non issue. daryl's probably not even gonna have time to react to it with the governor back. It just goes to show how many shitty fans there are

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  12. LinlighthouseNovember 18, 2013 at 4:08 AM

    Lily: "Who knew the apocalypse could be so boring." Yeah, but it's probably an important set up and I guess we'll be glad later on to have had some background. Next week he'll be back with Martinez, so that will be interesting. I'm surprised we didn't find out tonight about the rat feeder, as that is what I assumed "Live Bait" referred to.

    On to Talking Dead, where David Morrissey seemed to be letting slip something about the Governor and Carol--don't know more than that. Also, the idea that the Governor might be joining up with Rick and gang. Crazy, huh?

    Condolences to Talking Dead host Chris Hardwick on the death of his father yesterday.

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  13. FlopshowzxNovember 18, 2013 at 4:15 AM

    When are the writers going to understand that we don't give a fuck about the Governor? Nobody likes him, he's not an interesting villain, he's not an interesting character and he makes the show seem dragged. He should have never come back. They should have ended his arc last season when they had the chance. But al we got was that boring season finale. This season was doing great until he sowed up. GTFO with tis damn Governor storyline!

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  14. ShatteredOneNovember 18, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Well, while boring, it was interesting and a little weird to see such a dramatic shift in the Governor. They didn't do a good job of him last year but it seems they're trying to salvage that problem and make him... well a normal human being. Near the end (even though I knew he survived since we saw him at the end of last week) I was surprised at myself that I actually was worried about what happened to him and the people he was with.


    Regardless of if he's reformed, he does seem to almost want penance. While the thought of the Governor and that family joining up with Rick & Co. would be a curious plot to flesh out, I just don't see it happening, especially given how Merle was never really accepted and he wasn't as bad as the Governor was to them.


    Although I think we should've had, since next week also seems Governor-centric only, the family and Martinez group as 1 episode as opposed to 2. Hopefully this will lead to something. But given how this episode played out, I understand more David Morrissey's interview about how he's looking at the prison as a secure place as opposed to thinking about who is inside.


    And seriously to some of the comments above? I mean Daryl's my favorite character, but I don't think it's going to be a huge, big, colossal argument between Daryl/Rick about what Rick did, so I don't know why people are looking forward to only that. There's plenty of other characters, not just Daryl.

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  15. Misty PebworthNovember 18, 2013 at 5:11 AM

    I agree! I thought it was a really good character study episode, and it's so much nicer to learn so much about the 'bad guy'. It humanizes him, and sheds light on the fact that the bad guy isn't all satanically evil, he's a guy who went down a hard path. Not saying he's redeemed just becaue he helps a couple girls, but I thoroughly enjoyed seeing his human side. I'm looking forward to next episode.

    As much as I love Daryl, this show isn't centered on him. It's centered on humanity and monsters and what happens when things are majorly f'd up.

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  16. Christina SherwoodNovember 18, 2013 at 5:52 AM

    Everyone cares about how Daryl is going to react because Carol became his family. No matter if there will ever be anything romantic between them, she became his touch stone & vice versa. Rick had no right to make that decision on his own, he would shit a brick if someone made a decision like that with Carl. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with what Carol did, Rick had no right.

    Carol is goingt o probably be with the group that the Govenor & them meet up with or with the group that was transmitting overt he radio a few eps back that the prison group survivors will run into whent he fence finally fails & they need to run again.

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  17. KJTNovember 18, 2013 at 5:56 AM

    THANK YOU! Glad there's someone who appreciates the show as an examination of humanity, not a part-time melodrama/part-time gorefest. I bet all these people hated "Clear" as well.

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  18. KJTNovember 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM

    I think this is all going to be a story of the Governor trying to "come back" and failing.

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  19. ShatteredOneNovember 18, 2013 at 6:01 AM

    I can see that. Especially with his comments while playing Chess, about how you can lose a lot of soldiers but still win the game.

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  20. ShatteredOneNovember 18, 2013 at 6:06 AM

    Fair points. I'm not disagreeing that Carol wasn't part of their family, and that Daryl/Carol were close, I just don't see why everyone is only focused on Daryl and no one else. We've only really seen Maggie's reaction to it, we haven't see how everyone else will take the news. Plus there's other stuff going on in the show, yet some comments are centered purely around Daryl which is where my gripe came from.

    Yes, Rick shouldn't have had made that decision himself, he should've consulted the council. While Rick may have been doing it for selfish reasons, I think part of it was also to protect Carol because Tyreese would very likely have killed her. That whole issue with what Carol did and what Rick did is a huge gray area, and I think both Rick and Carol had valid points and both acted poorly (Carol just killing the two people, and Rick banishing her).

    I would love it if Carol was in this group, she wouldn't really know Martinez right? Plus it'd be great, since it seems like it'll be another Governor-centric episode, to have a familiar face there.

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  21. LadyAmethystNovember 18, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    People were saying the exact same things last season (Andrea) & look how well those story lines turned out...a little patience goes a long way for enjoying plot development :)

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  22. DarqueModeNovember 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    I really enjoyed this episode!
    It was nice to get some insight into what the Giv has been through since Woodbury and just to see the brilliant David Morrissey on the show again


    I found it very interesting to see the Governor at his rock bottom, almost catatonic, encounter the family after being alone for so long.in his isolation. Almost not wanting to exist and definitely not wanting to interact with the family on a human level. A shell of himself unable to even overcome 5 geriatric walkers!


    Seeing the Governor burn the Harriet family picture was intriguing. This experience seems to have been almost like therapy for Brain, but when self-actualization hits, which direction will he go? Back to the cold-hearted killer or back to the man he was before the killer? Can he be both?




    - Seeing Brian Harriet interact with the family, especially the little girl was heart-warming and yet so disturbing knowing who and what he is capable
    - A bit sad to think of how unaware the family is, andyet they are so much better off than most everyone else.
    - Brian Harriet does not have the same ominous sound to it as "The Governor" does it? XD

    - Anyone else have a feeling that the Gov has his new set of undead head aquarium residents in mind?
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    Idea for The Walking Dead spin-off....
    Retirement home residents versus TWD zombies in athletic competitions!
    A kind of not-quite-dead versus not-quite-living Olympics! XD


    Great episode!
    Had a lot of character development if only for one established character we know. I love these types of episodes and think these character studies are what make The Walking Dead what it is!

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  23. DarkUFONovember 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Same here, was my favourite Episode of the Season

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  24. DarkUFONovember 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    Yep, I personally loved this episode.

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  25. MasterWhoNovember 18, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Not sure why people hated it. It had plenty going for it. It was a change in pace from the prison drama. We got to see a more human side of the Governor rather than see him as this evil dictator. I'm glad we are getting his character fleshed out more. That's perfect. The fact that we see him do good and help people will make us more sympathetic to him. And I think that's a good thing. Especially for drama purposes. We'll actually feel something when Michonne tries to get him. It's like if Rick and Daryl fought. There will be this attachment to both where we wouldn't know how to feel.


    I don't think I'm thinking too much on this when I say The Governor is a human being just like the rest of us. Sure, he has done plenty of bad things. But so have other members of the main group. And you know what? So would plenty of other people. Not a lot of people would like to admit it but it would be easy to be The Governor or Shane in a world like this than it would to be a Hershel or Dale. And as much as we like freedom and peace and morals, in a world like this when the human race is probably down to the millions(or less) it's arguable that there is not always room for fairness or treating everyone right.Sometimes you have to make the tough calls.Sometimes doing bad for the greater good, could still be justifiable from a 3rd party. We'd like to think so. But it just isn't so. People like Hershel would be very rare in times like these. And I don't believe that anyone has ever been so bad that they can't be redeemed. Especially when things spiral out of control and things get bad. Does that mean I think they should just let him in to the main group with no fuss? Of course not. It's perfectly understandable to not let someone who did some bad stuff to you in like that.


    I'll be happy to see more of him. He is a good character.

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  26. DarkUFONovember 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM

    I like his character.

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  27. DarqueModeNovember 18, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Me too.
    After the core Season 3 group of the Grimes, Greenes and Daryl, The Governor is my next favorite character. Most likely ahead of all but Rick, Daryl, Hershell and Maggie.


    Other characters have been "bad ass" or fun, but the Governor is much deeper even before this episode!

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  28. HRRNovember 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    The best episode in this season. Prison became so boring. Finally, they're showing interesting stories, not just Rick, Daryl and company.

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  29. MaryNovember 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Last season I was SO annoyed that they'd carried over the Governor into Season 4, because he felt so two-dimensional and comic-bookish to me -- this evil guy galloping around in a black eye patch, lurking behind trees and going bwahahahaha. As if having the entire deceased population rise up as flesh-eaters didn't provide for enough dramatic tension. Leave it to Scott Gimple & Co. to make me eat my words! I've really been impressed (or maybe the more precise term is "grateful") that TWD has begun paying attention to actual character development this season, giving Michonne an actual personality, etc. Leave it to these guys to turn the tables on the Governor, leverage his tragic back story, and transform him into a humanized, semi-sympathetic character. At a couple points during last night's episode, it struck me that I was actually ROOTING for this guy to get the oxygen tanks, save the family from their expired dad, befriend Meghan, etc. GAHHHHHHHH ! :)

    I will say what a strong testament it is to the fine David Morrissey and his exceptional acting ability that he was able to pull off such a 180-degree transformation and actually make it heart-tugging. Listening to his comments on Talking Dead, it's clear that he (and many of the actors, and now even the writers, woo-HOOOO!) are paying close attention to every character nuance and asking themselves about motivation, inner conflict, character arc, etc. To me, this episode was on par with other quiet character studies like "Clear," because it completely changes the game for the Governor himself and the other characters in his universe. Him standing in front of those prison gates could now have so many unexpected meanings -- and outcomes.

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  30. Christina SherwoodNovember 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    You are right about the gray areas thing, Carol overstepped by taking action on her own just the same as Rick did. I personally agree with what she did but I also have been nit picking the crap out of this season & how lax they all are about security/prevention of issues.

    Carol should've followed up on Patrick not feeling well since he left feeling ill, that should be standard procedure for how they handle all illness. She could've prevented all those people being killed & all the others that got infected if she had of just found Patrick a while after he left. I think maybe that may play a part in why she did what she did, because if you at it like that she was responsible for what happened by not acting quickly in response to Patrick's illness in the first place.

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  31. ShatteredOneNovember 18, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    That's the great thing about gray areas (from a viewer's point of view) because it creates these morally ambiguous decisions that can divide the viewers in what they believe to be "right." Alright that sounded bad with dividing viewers, but I think in this circumstance, it has done so while maintaining praise from viewers because it was well written and well executed.



    I may not think either of them were completely right or completely wrong, but I tend to lean more towards siding with Rick on this one. Just straight killing them like that, not waiting until they were dead or turned, was bad in my eyes. But I completely understand why Carol did what she did. I may not agree with her actions, but I get why she felt the need to kill them (protecting those she loved). Truth be told, I think both of them should've gone to the council for a vote as opposed to Carol and Rick making their respective choices alone.

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  32. thedane5November 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Ha, I feel like the writers are messing with us. It´s seems like they thought " let´s take the most unlikeable character and turn him into something good and see if the audience will go with it".

    And it worked, because David Morrissey does such an amazing job.
    I was not looking forward to this episode at all, but I ended up loving it, because it was so differnet than I expected. The Governor found a family to care for and got a bit of loving. Good for him!! Can´t say that I like him now, but it was great to watch a believable character development. I´m excited for next week.

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  33. LinlighthouseNovember 18, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    I kind of agree that it's not going to be such an issue.

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  34. CJNovember 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    I mean daryl has always supported rick and encourage him to be the leader again. Plus, he said he wanted to put a bullet in the head of whoever killed karen and david so i think he'll understand.

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  35. LinlighthouseNovember 19, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    I think he'll understand and even agree, because he knows Tyreese a little better now. But he'll be worried. And as you say, they'll all be busy, busy, busy. And I think Carol's gonna show up pretty soon anyway.

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  36. CJNovember 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    Yeah carol will probably show up during the prison assault and save someone's life or something and then she'll be redeemed and then they can move forward with the story without making such a big deal about it

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  37. LinlighthouseNovember 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    And I don't see how he could take her back to the prison just to ask the council if he should have taken her back. Although he was prepared for either event, he didn't make that final decision until they were out.

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  38. dunmifNovember 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM

    yeah, all the nice moments the Governor had with the family, I half-expected him to kill them at the end (like The Swede did with the family he encountered in Hell on Wheels, if you've seen). But I was pleasantly surprised when everything played out nice. I'm also glad his story stretches for another episode. Next episode can't come quick enough

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  39. lala2November 19, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    I loved it!



    Even though I hated the Governor last year, I must admit I really enjoyed this episode. We learned more about the Governor, and he was given some much needed humanity. I don't know how long it will last, but I liked the episode. And, strangely, I liked him.

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  40. LittleDreamerNovember 19, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    I quite enjoyed it. An episode dedicated to The Governor was a welcome change though I would have prefered it we would have at least gotten a glimpse of the group.

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  41. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    People complain so much, it's crazy! I really enjoyed it. I was angry that they left the Governor alive last year but I am loving where they are taking him. I thought this episode, particularly the first half, was one of the saddest episodes of TV I had seen in a long time. I don't remember seeing this portrayal of such a broken man. It was so sad because he realized what he had done and what he had become and thought there was no turning back. The metaphor of him turning down the food because he was not worth it was one of the best scenes of the episode for showcasing just that. But then the rebirth as he finds a new reason to live and a new family to protect was really well done too. People will hate, for sure, but I loved it.

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  42. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    I didn't like last year when we didn't get the group for episode 3 (I think),but on this one I think it would have taken away from the emotional roller coaster that was the Governor's ride.

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  43. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Same here. It's crazy how they had us rooting for him!

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  44. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Yes, I agree with everything you've said. David Morrissey was amazing and did the impossible. Major kuddos to him and the writers.

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  45. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    I agree 100% with this! I hated that they carried him over to season 4 but I am totally on board now. Major major kuddos to David Morrissey and to the writers of this episode, it was outstanding work. The journey of a man who realizes what a monster he is and that truly acts as if he has no possible coming back (refusing the food because he is not worth it) to a man who finds a new family and makes his life's mission to protect them was fascinating. Haters will hate but the episode was outstanding!

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  46. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Excellent comment!

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  47. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    I agree withh you. To me, seeing the Governor rock bottom having no will to live anymore was one of the saddest sequences I remember watching in any TV show lately, it was heart breaking and that's a huge tribute to David and the writers!

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  48. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    I think I preferred the previous one, but I really don't know - apples and oranges.

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  49. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    I don't know why you feel entitled to speak for the entire fandom. I thought the episode was fascinating.

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  50. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    I thought it was one of the best episodes of the show and one of the best showcases of excellent writing and acting of any show in recent memory. To each his own.

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  51. DarqueModeNovember 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    I have never disliked the Governor like it seems many have, but even if I did hate him the beginning of that episode was just heart wrenching like you said.


    To see how he was almost literally "walking dead", just numb and really not having the will to live. Just continuing on the thinnest bit of instinct.

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  52. omabinNovember 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    I agree, he was truly walking dead. And to me, the biggest metaphor of the episode and the most significant scene of the episode was him throwing the food that he was given out of the window because he didn't think he was worthy of it. That was one of the saddest moments ever because it represented the fact that he had realized what he had done and that he truly thought there was no possible coming back. I also think it's interesting that, in a way, his journey and Rick's have some parallels, as both characters had to "come back" from last season.

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  53. LinlighthouseNovember 19, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    I hope that's so. I hope a big deal isn't made of Carol's banishment, just that it shows that Rick has recovered from his grief and is back in action.

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  54. Stupot815November 19, 2013 at 11:14 PM

    This was a really great episode. When you find yourself sympathising with a character that you know has done so many evil things, it makes for very uneasy viewing, in the best possible sense. You have to hand it to the writers. I voted 'great' purely for the writing and for Morrisey's performance.


    I couldn't really care less about the two sisters or the grandpa and I found it hard to believe that they had survived this long in an unfortified apartment despite not knowing that you have to destroy the brain or that gunfire attracts them. Also perhaps because they were all new characters, apart from Governor, it made the episode feel like a 'webisode' (which are great, but clearly inferior to the main show). That's the only reason I couldn't bring myself to vote 'awesome',

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  55. Joshua AJBNovember 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    I hated The Governor in S3 and was really annoyed he would be coming back. But I was very wrong - I really enjoyed the episode and for the first time actually liked him. Well written, well acted. Good ep!

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