Ok, I thought it was good. It was as to be expected i guess. Cara coming clean to John, John and Stephen duking it out. Glad they caught the Rapist. Astrid's feelings coming out, (but didn't think Stephen would read her mind) her trying to make it less awkward. Stephen seeing his Dad. Which i just felt ok, we kinda knew that. Idk i wasn't shocked by that. I'm glad John his fun with Stephen at the game, (i mean he did deserve it) While he was sitting there eating popcorn, i just kept laughing. Cara man, that girl is NOT a force to be reckoned with!! I freaking love her!! She is so bad ass. Dec. 4th..Damn!! Totally forgot about the hiatus. But the episode will be very entertaining, they captured Jedikiah Idk whether to give them praise or call them idiots b/c of that?? Ok i have to watch Arrow again now. I mean i was into this episode tonight, but couldn't stop thinking about Arrow. LOL
Okay so I think this episode was pretty good. I mean other then the fact that like everyone is in love with everyone xD I was really frustrated through out this entire episode! I'm not sure who to hate or love. What I do know is that John should have got rid of Cara when he had the chance -_- I just can't see anything with there relationship anymore. I mean yeah, maybe in like the first two episodes but after all the Stephen love drama it just seems like a forced relationship. Oh yeah I was really mad at Jedikiah (that how you spell it?) for taking Stephen's powers like yeah I get it he did some partying but c'mon was that seriously necessary? Ugh. But anyways I like John and Stephen's fight. What I did NOT like was once again Cara to the rescue. I don't mean to bash on her character but I just find her whole plot way to dramatic. I also found it a bit out of character for John to just forgive her for sleeping with Stephen and all that. Also how the heck has Stephen's personality changed so much? Like one minute it was I am a good person, totally innocent. To, lets just fall in love with Cara suddenly and kiss a bunch of chicks. I don't know I just don't get him very much.. What I do get though is that I totally ship John and Stephen because why not. Argh this might have sounded pretty negative but I enjoyed the episode in the end so whatever :D Also I want more of Stephens brother Luca (Lukah, Lucah, Luka? What?) he is pretty cute and I think he could be a great addition to a main plot. A plot without love. Yes that would be nice... Ha so anyways can't wait for the next episode! :) <333
Every time I look at Stephen I think of Oliver :D They look a lot alike before I knew they were cousins I said they have to be related he reminded me of Oliver a lot I thought they were brothers. I was laughing the whole game scene John was having so much fun LOL
Yeah, I didn't want them dragging it out. So I agree it was refreshing for them to just attempt to handle it right then and there. But tbh I didn't want the triangle at all. Well not this quickly, but w/e it's out there now and they "handled" it. And it'll be awkward but not too awkward? (I have no clue if that made sense) I love John and I really hope Cara doesn't break his heart too much. After everything they've been through, I could see how he would forgive her. He needs her. And I do hope they can get passed this whole sleeping with Stephen thing, in due time of course.
I wanna have an Amell sandwich. Oops! Tmi?? Lmfao!! I think the basketball scene was my favorite scene throughout the whole episode. The fact that he still made all the baskets while making Stephen look like a clumsy idiot was just classic! Lol
This episode confirmed my suspicions: I don't like StephenxCara as much as I think the show wants us to. I've noticed it since All Tomorrow's Parties (not sure, but whatever it is, I remember it being the episode where both Cara and Stephen are dressed up). Before that, I hadn't even realized that they were going to make them a thing, probably because before that, I always saw Cara as.. older and more mature compared to Stephen (and not just because Robbie Amell looks really young), and I never really felt a connection between them before the episode where they showed Cara's past. I don't know, it might just be me. It feels sort of forced and a sort of obvious route for them to go.
John is too good for Cara (although I do appreciate the fact that she came clean pretty quickly and took responsibility - despite the fact that Stephen is no less responsible than she is), and DEATH would be too good for Stephen.
He just SAVED THE LIFE of the douchebag who slept with his girlfriend and didn't even bother to apologize. And then, after his girlfriend admitted to him that she has feelings for said guy, John still said that as long as she also loves him, that's okay.
John is a class act, and the noble guy the writers keeps TELLING us Stephen is.
Sadly, I co-sign to every word. The idea that Cara would even entertain the notion of choosing Stephen over John makes me wonder if she's suffered some kind of brain damage,
John's nobility in forgiving Cara almost immediately, and being willing to stay with her despite her admission that she DOES have feelings for Stephen, makes it painfully obvious that he's too good for her. Meanwhile, the more the show tries to sell Stephen's supposed heroic perfection down my throat, the more it becomes obvious that he's anything but. As you said, he's a stupid, arrogant child who thinks he's always right and doesn't have a modicum of restraint or common sense. His going after a superpowered serial rapist alone and without his own powers was the icing on the cake of his stupidity in this episode. Do the writers think this makes him look brave and selfless, rather than like a reckless moron?
Until the last 2 episodes, I was so digging this show. Sigh. Love triangles are pure evil, and so is Julie Plec.
Honestly, if anything you're going too easy on the show. When they tried to tell me in that last scene that Stephen and Cara have some kind of psychic connection that means they're star-crossed or WTF-ever, I facepalmed.
Cara doesn't deserve a good guy like John, really.
I hope Cara goes out of her way to show John that he's the only one she wants, and how much he means to her. She really owes it to him, especially with how understanding and sweet he was in this episode. Heck, she openly admits she has feelings for Stephen, and John says it doesn't matter as long as she she loves *him*. He's such a good guy and doesn't deserve to have his heart broken.
According to the show. They've been together what? Two years? Maybe more? Cara discovered her powers 5 yrs ago, but did she meet John right after that? IDR, but IDTS. Ok let's just say two years they've been a couple. Out of EVERYTHING they've been through, I'm sure they could sweep this under the rug. I mean we see how much John loves her, even if he can't say it. And now i'm sure b/c of this it would take him even longer. But the feelings ARE there. And i did appreciate the fact that when he asked her, she said Yes w/o hesitating. So that's good. I just don't want Stephen to do the whole testosterone "I'm not giving up w/o a fight" that'll just be a bad color on him. And i don't want to have to hate him. I like him, and i want to keep it that way.
To be honest, I would have thought it was more than okay if Stephen hadn't said that. I would have thought it was expected if Cara heard Stephen because Stephen wasn't a typical TP and could overpower the suppression cuff, since we already knew he wasn't. If the episode focused on them, I would have though it was terrible. But there were other happenings, but not very good ones at that. The other stuff felt like temporary distractions meant to spotlight their focus which is the love triangle.
Love John's compassion and wisdom..."powers don't make us good just make us powerful, how we use them it's up to us. Then with Stephen "You can't choose your destiny, you can either fulfil it or fail it." Perfect...especially when Stephen repeats it to Jedikiah. The guy rocks! I was actually expecting Jed to say something on the lines of "I remember saying that to John"
Well he is in HS...he's probably one of those, "I had sex, she's the love of my life" LOL HS tend to think like that. But then again Cara had been giving him mixed signals, and SHE was the one who suggested they go somewhere more private. Smh...I hope Stephen will get over this infatuation soon. Cause he'll just keep looking like an ass.
Yeah. Well, just to be clear, it's not that I give Cara a pass. I wanted to punch her after the ending of the previous episode. But at least she came back to her senses pretty quickly in this episode. I don't blame Stephen for liking her, but he seems completely gung-ho about wanting to get together with her as if her boyfriend doesn't exist. It's kind of ridiculous.
Yeah. Teen angst on his part. And i was furious with Cara as well. Her saying that it was a mistake pretty much saved me to still like her. I think she's great. But i wanted to punch her myself. But when she confessed it to John(even though she waited 2 days) and told Stephen right away that she's WITH John, I was like there ya go. Get your shit together.
What bothered me in that regard was that Stephen's response to her telling him it was a mistake was really... controlling.
"Let me completely into your mind" - seriously? wtf?
It's her decision. Period. Him demanding something like that felt akin to a boyfriend asking to see your text messages or your journal before he'll "allow" you to break up with him. It isn't his decision. It's hers, no matter what information she's holding back, and regardless of if she may or may not have feelings for him.
(Any young girls out there in a relationship with a guy who demands such things - that's called unhealthy enmeshment. It's controlling, suspicious behavior, and it isn't acceptable.)
Beyond that, I didn't like the way he flirted with her in the first place (putting her on the defensive by telling her she should think for herself because she's a leader too felt like a backhanded compliment right out of the cheesy pick-up artists misogynistic handbook). Then telling her she has a stripper name...
Some of that "flirting" I realize is supposed to be in good fun, but this isn't a guy who has demonstrated any actual respect for Cara, her options, or her experience, so stuff like that just... bothered me. There's no deep mature connection there. Even if they can communicate beyond the norm, I liken that to finding a guy with awesome cell phone reception. It doesn't mean you're soul mates.
He's like a horny teenager and he needs to grow up a little.
Excellent point about Stephen asking Cara to let him into her mind so he can "verify" she doesn't really like him, I forgot that one. That guy has some nerve to try to be so controlling and disrespect her boundaries like that. I don't understand how Cara, who was shown to be mature and self-possessed, would let anyone pull that crap on her - especially a high-school kid.
The other thing, which pretty much cements Stephen's immaturity, is his apparent inability to get that even IF Cara likes him, that doesn't mean she will throw away a two-year relationship for him. Sometimes things are complicated, such as when you're attracted to someone else; that doesn't mean you dump your current partner like yesterday's news. She made her choice, he needs to respect it and back off.
I concur except that I don't like Stephen at all, and it got even worse after this episode. First, at least Cara felt guilty in the morning-after while he was like "Let's do it again!". Then, when John confronts him after the game, instead of apologizing he acts like an asshole (the whole "What kind of leader are you" and shoving John, the hell?), and finally he tells Cara he's not giving up on her because there's a "connection" between them, WHAT? She has a boyfriend, you f*cker, and she chose him, after telling you that sleeping with you was a mistake. End of story. Even taking into account that Cara has feelings for him, it doesn't change anything . Sometimes you have feelings for more than one person at a time, it doesn't mean you can have your cake and eat it too. She chose to stay with John in spite of whatever she feels for Stephen, the stupid kid needs to respect that and back the hell off.
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Ok, I thought it was good. It was as to be expected i guess. Cara coming clean to John, John and Stephen duking it out. Glad they caught the Rapist. Astrid's feelings coming out, (but didn't think Stephen would read her mind) her trying to make it less awkward. Stephen seeing his Dad. Which i just felt ok, we kinda knew that. Idk i wasn't shocked by that. I'm glad John his fun with Stephen at the game, (i mean he did deserve it) While he was sitting there eating popcorn, i just kept laughing. Cara man, that girl is NOT a force to be reckoned with!! I freaking love her!! She is so bad ass. Dec. 4th..Damn!! Totally forgot about the hiatus. But the episode will be very entertaining, they captured Jedikiah Idk whether to give them praise or call them idiots b/c of that?? Ok i have to watch Arrow again now. I mean i was into this episode tonight, but couldn't stop thinking about Arrow. LOL
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ReplyDeleteOkay so I think this episode was pretty good. I mean other then the fact that like everyone is in love with everyone xD I was really frustrated through out this entire episode! I'm not sure who to hate or love. What I do know is that John should have got rid of Cara when he had the chance -_- I just can't see anything with there relationship anymore. I mean yeah, maybe in like the first two episodes but after all the Stephen love drama it just seems like a forced relationship. Oh yeah I was really mad at Jedikiah (that how you spell it?) for taking Stephen's powers like yeah I get it he did some partying but c'mon was that seriously necessary? Ugh. But anyways I like John and Stephen's fight. What I did NOT like was once again Cara to the rescue. I don't mean to bash on her character but I just find her whole plot way to dramatic. I also found it a bit out of character for John to just forgive her for sleeping with Stephen and all that. Also how the heck has Stephen's personality changed so much? Like one minute it was I am a good person, totally innocent. To, lets just fall in love with Cara suddenly and kiss a bunch of chicks. I don't know I just don't get him very much.. What I do get though is that I totally ship John and Stephen because why not. Argh this might have sounded pretty negative but I enjoyed the episode in the end so whatever :D Also I want more of Stephens brother Luca (Lukah, Lucah, Luka? What?) he is pretty cute and I think he could be a great addition to a main plot. A plot without love. Yes that would be nice... Ha so anyways can't wait for the next episode! :) <333
ReplyDeleteEvery time I look at Stephen I think of Oliver :D They look a lot alike before I knew they were cousins I said they have to be related he reminded me of Oliver a lot I thought they were brothers. I was laughing the whole game scene John was having so much fun LOL
ReplyDeleteYeah, I didn't want them dragging it out. So I agree it was refreshing for them to just attempt to handle it right then and there. But tbh I didn't want the triangle at all. Well not this quickly, but w/e it's out there now and they "handled" it. And it'll be awkward but not too awkward? (I have no clue if that made sense) I love John and I really hope Cara doesn't break his heart too much. After everything they've been through, I could see how he would forgive her. He needs her. And I do hope they can get passed this whole sleeping with Stephen thing, in due time of course.
ReplyDeleteI wanna have an Amell sandwich. Oops! Tmi?? Lmfao!! I think the basketball scene was my favorite scene throughout the whole episode. The fact that he still made all the baskets while making Stephen look like a clumsy idiot was just classic! Lol
ReplyDeleteJohn is pretty much a man, and Stephen is kind of an impulsive child.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was okay.
ReplyDeleteThis episode confirmed my suspicions: I don't like StephenxCara as much as I think the show wants us to. I've noticed it since All Tomorrow's Parties (not sure, but whatever it is, I remember it being the episode where both Cara and Stephen are dressed up). Before that, I hadn't even realized that they were going to make them a thing, probably because before that, I always saw Cara as.. older and more mature compared to Stephen (and not just because Robbie Amell looks really young), and I never really felt a connection between them before the episode where they showed Cara's past. I don't know, it might just be me. It feels sort of forced and a sort of obvious route for them to go.
John is awesome. He has his own problems but he really cares for Cara. I hope
ReplyDeleteshe knows how much that mean
So, I watched this episode...
ReplyDeleteJohn is too good for Cara (although I do appreciate the fact that she came clean pretty quickly and took responsibility - despite the fact that Stephen is no less responsible than she is), and DEATH would be too good for Stephen.
That is all.
You've got to be kidding, right?
ReplyDeleteHe just SAVED THE LIFE of the douchebag who slept with his girlfriend and didn't even bother to apologize. And then, after his girlfriend admitted to him that she has feelings for said guy, John still said that as long as she also loves him, that's okay.
John is a class act, and the noble guy the writers keeps TELLING us Stephen is.
Sadly, I co-sign to every word. The idea that Cara would even entertain the notion of choosing Stephen over John makes me wonder if she's suffered some kind of brain damage,
ReplyDeleteJohn's nobility in forgiving Cara almost immediately, and being willing to stay with her despite her admission that she DOES have feelings for Stephen, makes it painfully obvious that he's too good for her. Meanwhile, the more the show tries to sell Stephen's supposed heroic perfection down my throat, the more it becomes obvious that he's anything but. As you said, he's a stupid, arrogant child who thinks he's always right and doesn't have a modicum of restraint or common sense. His going after a superpowered serial rapist alone and without his own powers was the icing on the cake of his stupidity in this episode. Do the writers think this makes him look brave and selfless, rather than like a reckless moron?
Until the last 2 episodes, I was so digging this show. Sigh. Love triangles are pure evil, and so is Julie Plec.
Honestly, if anything you're going too easy on the show. When they tried to tell me in that last scene that Stephen and Cara have some kind of psychic connection that means they're star-crossed or WTF-ever, I facepalmed.
ReplyDeleteCara doesn't deserve a good guy like John, really.
I hope Cara goes out of her way to show John that he's the only one she wants, and how much he means to her. She really owes it to him, especially with how understanding and sweet he was in this episode. Heck, she openly admits she has feelings for Stephen, and John says it doesn't matter as long as she she loves *him*. He's such a good guy and doesn't deserve to have his heart broken.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the show. They've been together what? Two years? Maybe more? Cara discovered her powers 5 yrs ago, but did she meet John right after that? IDR, but IDTS. Ok let's just say two years they've been a couple. Out of EVERYTHING they've been through, I'm sure they could sweep this under the rug. I mean we see how much John loves her, even if he can't say it. And now i'm sure b/c of this it would take him even longer. But the feelings ARE there. And i did appreciate the fact that when he asked her, she said Yes w/o hesitating. So that's good. I just don't want Stephen to do the whole testosterone "I'm not giving up w/o a fight" that'll just be a bad color on him. And i don't want to have to hate him. I like him, and i want to keep it that way.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was cheesy.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest, I would have thought it was more than okay if Stephen hadn't said that. I would have thought it was expected if Cara heard Stephen because Stephen wasn't a typical TP and could overpower the suppression cuff, since we already knew he wasn't. If the episode focused on them, I would have though it was terrible. But there were other happenings, but not very good ones at that. The other stuff felt like temporary distractions meant to spotlight their focus which is the love triangle.
Love John's compassion and wisdom..."powers don't make us good just make us powerful, how we use them it's up to us. Then with Stephen "You can't choose your destiny, you can either fulfil it or fail it." Perfect...especially when Stephen repeats it to Jedikiah. The guy rocks! I was actually expecting Jed to say something on the lines of "I remember saying that to John"
ReplyDeleteWell he is in HS...he's probably one of those, "I had sex, she's the love of my life" LOL HS tend to think like that. But then again Cara had been giving him mixed signals, and SHE was the one who suggested they go somewhere more private. Smh...I hope Stephen will get over this infatuation soon. Cause he'll just keep looking like an ass.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Well, just to be clear, it's not that I give Cara a pass. I wanted to punch her after the ending of the previous episode. But at least she came back to her senses pretty quickly in this episode. I don't blame Stephen for liking her, but he seems completely gung-ho about wanting to get together with her as if her boyfriend doesn't exist. It's kind of ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Teen angst on his part. And i was furious with Cara as well. Her saying that it was a mistake pretty much saved me to still like her. I think she's great. But i wanted to punch her myself. But when she confessed it to John(even though she waited 2 days) and told Stephen right away that she's WITH John, I was like there ya go. Get your shit together.
ReplyDeleteWhat bothered me in that regard was that Stephen's response to her telling him it was a mistake was really... controlling.
ReplyDelete"Let me completely into your mind" - seriously? wtf?
It's her decision. Period. Him demanding something like that felt akin to a boyfriend asking to see your text messages or your journal before he'll "allow" you to break up with him. It isn't his decision. It's hers, no matter what information she's holding back, and regardless of if she may or may not have feelings for him.
(Any young girls out there in a relationship with a guy who demands such things - that's called unhealthy enmeshment. It's controlling, suspicious behavior, and it isn't acceptable.)
Beyond that, I didn't like the way he flirted with her in the first place (putting her on the defensive by telling her she should think for herself because she's a leader too felt like a backhanded compliment right out of the cheesy pick-up artists misogynistic handbook). Then telling her she has a stripper name...
Some of that "flirting" I realize is supposed to be in good fun, but this isn't a guy who has demonstrated any actual respect for Cara, her options, or her experience, so stuff like that just... bothered me. There's no deep mature connection there. Even if they can communicate beyond the norm, I liken that to finding a guy with awesome cell phone reception. It doesn't mean you're soul mates.
He's like a horny teenager and he needs to grow up a little.
Excellent point about Stephen asking Cara to let him into her mind so he can "verify" she doesn't really like him, I forgot that one. That guy has some nerve to try to be so controlling and disrespect her boundaries like that. I don't understand how Cara, who was shown to be mature and self-possessed, would let anyone pull that crap on her - especially a high-school kid.
ReplyDeleteThe other thing, which pretty much cements Stephen's immaturity, is his apparent inability to get that even IF Cara likes him, that doesn't mean she will throw away a two-year relationship for him. Sometimes things are complicated, such as when you're attracted to someone else; that doesn't mean you dump your current partner like yesterday's news. She made her choice, he needs to respect it and back off.
I concur except that I don't like Stephen at all, and it got even worse after this episode. First, at least Cara felt guilty in the morning-after while he was like "Let's do it again!". Then, when John confronts him after the game, instead of apologizing he acts like an asshole (the whole "What kind of leader are you" and shoving John, the hell?), and finally he tells Cara he's not giving up on her because there's a "connection" between them, WHAT? She has a boyfriend, you f*cker, and she chose him, after telling you that sleeping with you was a mistake. End of story. Even taking into account that Cara has feelings for him, it doesn't change anything . Sometimes you have feelings for more than one person at a time, it doesn't mean you can have your cake and eat it too. She chose to stay with John in spite of whatever she feels for Stephen, the stupid kid needs to respect that and back the hell off.
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