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Nov 27, 2013

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  1. klutzy_girlNovember 27, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    It was so good! Poor Sam. And damn it, Ezekiel, there is something shady about you. Dean was so close to telling Sam the truth! Ezekiel doesn't want him to know for a reason.


    Loved seeing Jody again. I love her so much.

    And hee at Dean having sex with a porn star. And I enjoyed the Cry Wolf reunion.

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  2. chazzyxoNovember 27, 2013 at 3:06 AM

    Enjoyed this episode so muh better than the angel crap .Also that is dean! where the bloody hell has he been ? .It had a mode to it aswell which was missing ..Was it awsome no! , but it was good . I think they put a filler in because next week is going be heavy

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  3. AliNovember 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    I loved it! Yeah, it could be considered another funny episode, but, hey, I will take as many funny episodes as I can since the episodes are said to hit us hard from now on.

    I was sad we didn't get a shirtless Jensen, but even without that, those scenes were hot!! ;)

    So happy we got to see Sam and Jody working together. I always love it when they're together and the episode did a great job switching off with their POV and Dean's.

    So close!! When Dean was about to tell Sam what was going on. Darn it, Zeke! It broke my heart to see Sam so down and confused at what was happening to him and to see Dean so hurt that Sam was feeling this way! :(

    Overall, I thought it was an awesome episode! And the promo for the midseason finale looks so intense! I can't wait! :)

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  4. rehabberNovember 27, 2013 at 3:25 AM

    I did not think it was awesome, but great, Dean talking about sex was worth watching the ep for. So glad to see Jody, hope she is back soon.

    Watch this HOT video with Dean's voice over in the sex scene.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj82SUTdi08&feature=em-uploademail

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  5. lala2November 27, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    That was an enjoyable episode. I liked it. I was expecting bad filler given that's all I feel we've had the past few weeks, but I thought this was decent filler.

    I must admit once Sam got knocked out, I was wondering if Zeke was going to surface to help out. I'm surprised he stayed hidden until the end. During that scene, I was like, "Where are you, Zeke? Jody needs some help." Haha!

    I knew the red-haired leader was the villain from the start, but she did a good job as the goddess or whatever she was.

    I liked seeing Jody again. I will say this show faked me out b/c I thought Sam was going to talk to Jody about his feelings when he leaned in, but the scene cut to Dean. Thankfully, we got some Sam POV at the end. I do wish the word "freak" had been used instead of "mess" b/c that would be very consistent w/how Sam has always felt about himself. It was good to see Sam express some concern about his general health, and not surprisingly, Dean was not going to stand by and let Sam call himself a freak.
    Oh . . . Zeke. I don't know about him. I am excited about the next episode. I wonder what Zeke did though when he says he did what "he had to do." I think it would be interesting if Zeke didn't hold up his end of the bargain and took over Sam's body/mind. I wonder how that would play out. Might be interesting.
    I can't say I am excited by the angel stuff. Honestly, I really don't care what the angels are doing. The show, thus far, has spent ZERO time building up that story so for it to be the focus of the mid-season finale is just odd.

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  6. kerindaNovember 27, 2013 at 3:45 AM

    the Ep was OK untell the end god I so can not wait untell this Lie is over or something really bad happens well by the look of next weeks Ep I am saying BAD! but really God poor Sam it really hurts to see him go thought this again and when he finds out God I am saying BAD! again. love that Girl from Cry Wolf it was cool to see her work with Jared again that was awesome.

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  7. lala2November 27, 2013 at 3:55 AM

    What makes this secret so bad is just how much Sam trusts Dean. I was just looking at the end scene again, and Sam looks to Dean for his strength, answers, guidance. He expressed some real worries and concerns to Dean, which is why Dean was going to tell him the truth. Sam trusts his brother. If Dean thinks Sam will be okay, then Sam trusts that. If Dean thinks Sam is okay and not a freak, then Sam takes comfort in that.

    I was reminded of S1 after Dean learns about Sam's powers. Even back then, we saw how much Sam needed Dean to be okay w/the visions. When Dean said he wasn't freaked out, Sam became less freaked out and took some comfort in his brother's word.

    I think Sam will feel more betrayed b/c Dean has been lying to him than the "Zeke takeover." I'm sure this has already occurred to many of you, but it just dawned on me tonight. Haha!

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  8. SPN FickleNovember 27, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    I'm wondering if Ezekiel zapped Castiel... Maybe he showed up at the bunker and recognized that Sam had an angel inside of him.

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  9. CPNovember 27, 2013 at 4:49 AM

    Well that video was...very...well done. OO

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  10. CyanaTNovember 27, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    That's a hopeful theory... it's a lot better theory than Zeke killing Kevin.

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  11. jensenfan1978November 27, 2013 at 4:54 AM

    I enjoyed it. It had a few slight problems but it was writing related. I would keep it up there.

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  12. kerindaNovember 27, 2013 at 4:56 AM

    so true about that It could go good as you say or really Bad I am hoping it goes good in the end but get ready for the bad. because come on this is one Big hell of a lie and If I was Him I be really pissed off at it but we know Sam at the end of the day he cares about Dean and will forgive him. I just really want it to end.

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  13. MarissaAONovember 27, 2013 at 5:23 AM

    fetishizing sex workers and hispanic people, all in one scene! Can't they have a sex scene without being totally gross about it? Also, it was nice to see Jody again, but she wasn't really essential to the episode, and I wish she had been. I wish there had been more about her.

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  14. Dubious Cultural EtcNovember 27, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Oh yes let's kill the one remaining minority character on the show so Dean can feel more guilty, that's an awesome plan!

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  15. isleofskyeNovember 27, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Well, colour me amazed; I loved this episode and I gave it awesome. Ithought it would be another pitiful effort like the Dean/dog ep but I found myself really caught up in it.
    x

    I loved the boys' interview to become 'new-born virgins' They were so cute.:)
    I thought the Vestal virgins idea was good, and the godess being angry with those who transgresssed. It was a rip off of the Veritas story in season six, but at this point, the fact that I enjoyed makes me willing to gloss over that.
    x

    I liked both Sam and Dean's parts in this.
    Despite the fact that the brothers were separated for three-quarters of the episode, I never got the feeling that either boy was pushed to the side. Each had their share of the action and in the scenes they were together were enjoyable.
    x.

    I thought Dean's guilt and pain for the predicament he had put Sam in with Ezekiel was so heart-felt and genuine, that I felt sorry for him; just as I did for poor Sam who according to Vesta is a walking dead man.

    I'm so sad for Sam and for what probably will happen between them when Sam finds out. :(
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    I loved how Jody understood the intense relationship the brothers have and how bonded they are to one another.I have always liked Jody but now she has gone up even higher in my estimation.

    All in all a really enjoyable episode for me.

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  16. rehabberNovember 27, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    LOL, yeah it was, I think I have watched it more times than the Volvo split and I have watched that a LOT.

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  17. enochianbugNovember 27, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I will pretend this episode didn't exist because I can't recall one good thing to say about it. Oh, except Jodie Mill who is lovely and funny as usual. Go Kim! We love U.

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  18. Peter J4November 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    I thought we got quite a bit about her - we learned what she's doing with her life, she saved the day, she saved herself. She even got to go more into the guys' world, learning about angels and dragons.


    The racism in that scene with Dean and Suzie really let me down, as did his treatment of her. Bad, bad writing. OOC writing.

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  19. Peter J4November 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    The good:


    Jody! Jody saves the day. Jody talks with Sam. Jody talks about her life.


    The woman who was kidnapped early in the episode and her attempts to find where she was and dealing with the other people who had been held prisoner. Tense, frightening scenes.


    The last scene with Sam, Ezekiel, and Dean.


    The acting from most of the cast.

    The episode moved along briskly.


    The bad:


    Dean aggressively pursuing the porn star over everything else, even Sam's phone calls. Dean wouldn't do that. Dean also wouldn't be so ardent in getting into her pants when she was initially uneasy and ashamed of her background.


    The racist 'comedy' of the DVD cover and her talking sex talk with Dean in Spanish. Way to fetishize, Jenny Klein.


    Another episode that wasted a god character.

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  20. tvmonkeyNovember 27, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    well think of this way if Zeke keeps taking over than the writers dont have to write for Sam outside of using him to maneuver Zeke into the right place at the right time and set up lots of Dean angst. I'm sure the writers will enjoy that.

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  21. tvmonkeyNovember 27, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    That episode was meh, seriously could have done without the Dean/porn star scenes. It was totally cringe worthy. It was obvious who the baddie was and it was obvious that Dean wasnt going to be able to keep it in his pants.


    I like Jody she and Sam are so sweet together, I wish she was around more. Plus she is totally kick ass.


    The end scene was interesting and I guess thats about as much build up for Sam's emotional state come mid season and finding out the truth as we're going to get this season. Better than nothing. I expect a scene in episode 10 to go along with this one with Sam saying that Dean should have let him die and that will be that.


    Not sure whats going to be happening with Sam for the rest of the season. There haven't been any spoilers other than the ones about Dean.

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  22. lala2November 27, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Maybe he finally goes on that mission to cure demons? A big deal was made about that (or so I thought) but it hasn't panned out. There doesn't seem to be an overarching goal/story this year.

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  23. lala2November 27, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I must admit I didn't fully appreciate the weight of the lie until last night. Actually hearing how Sam felt and how he's been feeling put it all in perspective.

    This is why POV is so vital to any story. I need to hear from the characters how they feel and why they acted the way they did; I don't want to have to make up my own reasons for what Sam does and how he feels. Take the Amy story for instance - I thought Sam was upset because Dean killed his friend but it turns out he was upset that Dean felt he had to lie or something stupid like that. I don't recall the specifics but if Sam had been allowed to actually express himself before he stormed off, then his feelings would have been clear.

    When Sam does find out, I feel I will have a better understanding of his feelings than I had with the Amy fiasco.

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  24. lala2November 27, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    I'm not sure. In the clip, before Zeke blasts Dean, Dean calls out for "Sam." Maybe Dean tells Sam, Sam tries to expel Zeke, but Zeke takes over Sam's body? I don't know. Zeke is shady though!

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  25. lala2November 27, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    You're the second person who has mentioned "a dark place" and Dean. What spoilers have I missed? Is Dean going to a dark place after the reveal?
    If so, why? Could it be a result of Zeke refusing to give up the vessel and suppressing Sam? Zeke has permitted Sam to have control over his own body but can clearly take control when he wants. If he sees Sam is about to eject him, he may take over completely so Sam cannot do that.

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  26. tvmonkeyNovember 27, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    thats not going to happen, from the BurcCon spoilers it seems the whole middle part of the season is about Dean going Dark and Jensen said he spoke with Carver about making sure they dont just drop Dean's story line and they actually carry through with the darkness/Zeke thing/consequences stuff. From what I've heard the writers have not dropped the ball with Dean's storyline as all through to episode are Dean centric/heavy episodes.


    Jared said he spoke to the writers and asked about Sam being included in the narrative? He hasn't had a lot to do this season this came about after the numerous complaints about the lack of Sam this season. Its basically been all about Zeke and Sam being knocked out and waking up confused. There were no Sam spoilers or hints and there doesnt seem to be anything Sam related coming up.


    The mid season finale will end on a cliff hanger, the Sam finding out scene will be split between the end of episode 9 and the beginning of episode 10.


    Sam is not involved in the Cain/Abaddon stuff in episode 11


    Castiel will not be approving of Dean letting Zeke possess Sam to 'heal' him

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  27. kerindaNovember 27, 2013 at 11:16 PM

    but come on Dean needed to have Sex it was his turn and I dont think he had sex in 2 years so he need to. Sam in season 8 and Cas did just 5 weeks ago so it had to be Dean's turn but my god was that lame ever sents the guys got marred the sex parts are all lame no good stuff anymore it use to be really hot but that much anymore and thats well lame.

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  28. kerindaNovember 27, 2013 at 11:17 PM

    I do not know why but I cringe too it was not good.

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  29. SPN FickleNovember 27, 2013 at 11:27 PM

    I'm sorry, I didn't see that as racist. If Dean was turned on by her speaking French, would that be racist. The fact that he wanted her to call him a bad boy in Spanish is racist... I don't get it. Dean has always been a fan of porn and Porn stories tend to have a theme... It could be anything from the Pizza delivery man to Star Wars...

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  30. lala2November 27, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Why does Dean go "dark?" Hmmm . . . . I don't know. This whole secret just doesn't seem like the "going dark" type of deal but whatever.
    So, are you saying Sam basically does nothing - like he has been doing - for the rest of the season? Why did they say Sam was a mission to cure demons if they were never planning on doing anything w/that? Well . . . I guess if I hadn't read the spoilers, I wouldn't have expected that to be Sam's "mission."

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  31. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    well that sucks Sam doing nothing come on I did not even know what he was going to do in the midddle of season 8 untell it happen I hope but not wishing that Sam will keep Zeke in him for the whole season I did not hear about anything else on that but that be ok by me.

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  32. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:27 AM

    Well, I just read on another thread that he's suicidal in Episode 10 so who knows what's going on w/Sam? Hopefully, we get some sort of POV for him to explain his thought process but you never know w/this show!

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  33. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    yes but every year we try to get some POV but never get and that really sucks thats why I love season 1 and 2 then we got something but now its like who knows.

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  34. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    I hear ya. Sam POV is a rare thing. You have to appreciate it when you get it, which is why I liked the last scene in the last episode and wish Sam had spoken more to Jody when they were alone together.

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  35. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    It's nothing to do with ethnicity ... everything to do with Kevin working with the Winchesters. Remember Crowley telling Kevin to run (S8) because "Sam and Dean use people up and toss them away". That's not accurate but every one the Winchesters call friend or family might as well paint a bull's-eye on their chest. Hey, I'm hoping it's not Kevin or if is, Zeke only stuns him. I love Kevin!
    Dean would feel guilty if any of his friends died - if anyone else dies because of his choices. He made that clear to Zeke in 902.

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  36. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 5:11 AM

    I think the recent Carver/Singer interviews have hinted at - they've talked about Dean's choices having some unexpected (negative) effects. The other "Dean will be a dark place soon" - I'm assuming mentally comes from JA's M&G posted on SuperWiki, corrobated by a JP M&G LJ report from a person I follow on Twitter.
    The only thing I fairly certain of is that it's the result of the fallout/fight the boys have when Sam learns about Zeke -IDK how Sam learns - the scripts for 909/910 were kept closely under security. So my guess is 911/912 ish. Garth is coming back in 912 and he tried to place peacekeeper between the boys in 806. How long Dean is the "dark place" I can't guess, just I have no clue when/if Zeke leaves Sam. From this episode it seems that Zeke hasn't healed Sam at worst case to at best case Zeke's been slowly healing Sam but every time he resurrects someone or heals Sam, it drains Zeke so he has to draw on Sam's soul energy to re-heal himself, pushing Sam's healing back to the beginning.
    In a word - g* - I have no idea how much Sam POV we'll get post 911/12; as Sharon (I think) said up to Burcon JP had had 23 days off to JA's < dozen. I assume 911&12 will be Sam-lighter. 910 has more Sam (Zeke?).

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  37. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 5:31 AM

    You're right... maybe Zeke doesn't harm anyone and just takes over Sam as you said. But I think Zeke is looking down when he says something like "It had to be done, Dean".

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  38. Peter J4November 28, 2013 at 6:51 AM

    She was posing with maracas covering her chest. Then she and Dean talk Spanish to each other to get in the mood. When this is the only element of ethnicity in the episode and in her characterization, I do see it as racist.

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  39. Peter J4November 28, 2013 at 6:52 AM

    I got the feeling it was supposed to be funny. I just...didn't really see the humor. It was weird. If Jensen and Jared don't want to do those scenes now, they should have just had Dean and the woman get to know each other, talk, make out, and then the camera cuts away.

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  40. sharonallyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    I dont know what will happen with Sam? it always bothers me how easily they seem to remove Sam from the equation and want to do it. I dont mind some focus on what this does to Dean but there should of been focus on the person all this was done to . Turning the episodes Dean heavy is not going to do anything for Sam .


    I still cannot get my head around the fact Jared has had 23 days off the first half of a season . Most lead actors do not get that through the run of a whole series let alone the first half. Madness .

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  41. Peter J4November 28, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    We don't really know what Sam will do. In the episode where Dean is with Cain and Abaddon, Sam is with Cas.


    Dean has betrayed everything he believed about himself for this lie, and lost everyone close to him. And now he knows Sam is still barely alive. I think that has pushed him down a darker road.

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  42. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Really? Did Jared get 23 days off, that's ridiculous! We're only in November.

    Did Jensen get as much time off; if not there is more going on behind the scenes than we know.

    Both are supposed to be equal stars of the show; why is one being targeted, especially when we need to know his mind-set and feelings. I don't see why Sam should be sacrificed to give boring angels and guest stars more story-lines.

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  43. sharonallyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    With what came out of Burcon yes that apparently came from the boys themselves and Jensen is not even out of single figures of time off. I dont know they clearly wanted to focus on what this does to Dean and Sam is easy to write lite for because of Ezekiel . The fallout becomes Dean centric is not surprising given the shows history where Sam is concerned.

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  44. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Even so, we haven't had all that much of Dean's POV ,if we consider the huge difference in the J's time off.I
    know that Sam gets pushed far more to the side, but 23 days compared to
    say 9 is a huge difference and should be very obvious on-screen.

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  45. Back In Black Tricksteress 95November 28, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Astonishly Awesome! :)

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  46. Peter J4November 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Kevin's the only POC character on the show and the first recurring since Rufus died in season 6, so it will involve ethnicity if they kill him off, even if everyone tends to die. I hope they won't do it.

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  47. sharonallyNovember 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    I think we have a had a fair amount of Dean's pov . The upcoming episodes are the crux they are Dean heavy and that is what has gone on .

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  48. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Yep. It was reported in a fan's M&G. Also JA had concerns about Dean's sls being dropped or unsatisfactorily concluded. I was like WTF? (Not Dean/JA bashing). Giving JA/Dean a full arc should not be at the expense of JP/Sam/Zeke's sl. And we've apparently lost Sam's demon curing arc. What is Sam (or Zeke/Sam) supposed to be doing for the rest of the season? MC will have 4/possible 14 contracted episodes by 909, leaving a possible 10 more. We have a spoiler source who says Cas will be in 911 and there's going to be a Cas centric episode coming up some point after the break. Eps with Cas are rarely Sam equivalent if Dean is also present in the episode; 903 was more the exception than the rule as far as JP/Sam having similar screen time as JA/Dean.

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  49. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    A darker road? To what end? Is Jensen saying Dean is going to be doing "evil" or "questionable" things now as a result of this decision? That really just doesn't make sense to me.
    I read that Jensen said Dean was in a "dark place," which is very different from "going dark" or "heading down a dark path," IMO. I could see him being very depressed, esp. if Sam is suicidal or if Zeke doesn't leave Sam's body but the idea of him doing "dark" (i.e., questionable or immoral) things b/c of this one secret just doesn't make sense to me. If this is the road the writers choose, I sincerely hope it is well-explained.

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  50. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    IA; except for Sam crying at what Dean did (the lies, not particularly 'at Zeke') and the boys 'splitting by choice' in 9.10, the rest of Sam's emotional and physical fallout has no more mention while "Dean is in a dark place' is prominent in the future spoilers (at least thru 912). So who knows what either brothers' storyline will be.

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  51. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Have you ever seen a porno cover, Peter? The Casa Erotica cover was tame compared to some I've seen. "Casa Erotica" porn has been a running joke from at least S2; IIRC Dean caught Sam watching "CE" porn in 2.04. And as SPN Fickle said, porn stories have a theme.

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  52. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    I know! I understand the show wants to focus on how the secret impacts Dean, and that's fine. I love Dean. He's a co-lead so I am, of course, interested in how this impacts him. But I am also interested in how Sam is feeling. If Sam is SUICIDAL b/c of this secret then they better darn well explain why! This show has a terrible track record of getting into Sam's head and giving us his POV.
    I'm not too familiar w/how long it takes to film an episode, but it seems like Jared always has more time off than Jensen. Sadly, Sam is NOT a real character to the writers. He's a plot point. Things happen to him that affect Dean. We rarely see how Sam feels or how Sam is impacted by whatever crazy thing happens to him,, and I don't see that changing.
    I don't know why the show thinks it's A-OK to just leave Sam completely out of episodes or to have Sam barely present in Dean-centric ones. I never get the feeling that Dean is ever gone from Sam-centric episodes the way Sam seems to go "missing" from Dean-centric ones. It's weird. The show needs to be much better balanced than it is.

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  53. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    I don't understand why the writers find it so impossible to write for TWO leads!
    So, Sam's demon curing arc was dropped for a Dean "going dark" arc?!?! They must have decided that early on b/c that demon curing crap was spoiled during the summer. Is it not possible for the writers to do both?
    I wonder if there are no "Sam" spoilers b/c Sam will now be "Ezekiel." But Sam is supposedly suicidal so I guess he has to be around . . . . . maybe he finds out, ejects Zeke, and then consents again b/c he just doesn't care anymore. Or maybe he consents to save Dean in some way. Then the show gets what it wants with Sam essentially being gone, and they can write for characters they actually care about. Haha!

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  54. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    If the writers were better, the fallout would focus on BOTH brothers, but I knew Sam was going to get slighted . . . . again. As many have pointed out, he hasn't had any substantial POV about his frequent mishaps while hunting. Sam was knocked out on multiple occasions and missed quite a bit a time. I would have loved to see him concerned about that and expressing some interest in his ability to adequately back up Dean on a hunt. The first we got to see Sam genuinely concerned about himself was just this past week in a short scene before the big reveal in the next episode! it's better than nothing but they could have been hinting at this all season long.

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  55. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    I read he was going to be suicidal in 9.10. If that's true, they have (or at least they should) explore that a bit. I'm not holding my breath though.

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  56. CyanaTNovember 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Dean would feel bad if anyone died because of his actions, not just Kevin. Would you have felt better if "the next prophet after Chuck was a teenage Caucasian girl" and Zeke possibly killed her? Or would you be one of the fans saying the show is misogynistic because it portrays "most female" characters as either evil or eventually 'fridged'?
    Sorry to get personal, but I read these criticisms too often these days (the show is homophobic because they won't make Destiel canon, the show is racist because the kill too many POC, the show is misogynistic because... insert other blah, blah).
    IT'S A TV SHOW, NO ONE'S FORCING YOU TO WATCH IT (I mean "you" in the broader sense of fans that I see these complaints from, and not "you" personally).

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  57. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I wonder if the plan is to let Zeke take over Sam for the rest of the season until the end. As you said, the writers won't have to write for Sam who I believe Carver called too complicated or something, and they can just write for Zeke.

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  58. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    ya! but come on the sex scenes was really I say great in season 4 and 2 with sam and one with dean but after season 6 they got more tamed and I think is kind of because the guys have wifes now thats all I am trying to say and that ok now for the show.

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  59. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    I think that's just an acting choice by Jared. When Dean runs into the room, he calls out for Sam and is then blasted. I think Jared was just looking down and not really looking at anything. I guess we'll find out soon enough :-)

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  60. lala2November 28, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Dramatically, I think it makes more sense for Zeke to stay in Sam's body. If Zeke exits Sam's body and Sam is fine, I will see no reason for Dean to "go dark" or to be in a "dark place." Sam will be upset and angry, but I do feel they could resolve those issues.
    Now, if Zeke refuses to leave Sam's body or Sam - being suicidal - just gives up complete control to him, then I could see Dean "going dark" or being in a very "dark place." He will have lost Sam and the opportunity to make it up to him. Plus, Sam would be under the control of an angel that is very likely up to no good. That would pit Dean directly against Sam, and w/no way to remove Zeke from Sam's body, Dean might have to kill Sam w/the angel killing knife or something.

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  61. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    well come on guy back in season 7 we had this same problem with Jared not work as much what was that now think OH GEN HAVING A BABY! but they not working now I do not know and she is due next month so thats what I think but I do not know?

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  62. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    I could understand him getting more time off after the baby is born not before. I'm sure his wife has had adequate attention from friends and family up until now.
    I don't believe this fairy-tale any more that the J's want more time off.
    They are professionals and need to work more, not less, to support their ever growing families.
    In S7 Sam got less pov too but it was never as bad as season 8 and now 9

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  63. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    that is so true now a days do you think EK wanted this when he started this show No I do not think so and when he left it just went down hill from there thats why I like season 6 because he was still there to do that Sam Ep at the SF of season 6 and then after that it was just lets have Sam as wall paper and not giving him a damn thing just make him sick and week alot not even to save Dean in season 8 and that really sucks.

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  64. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    I've said it before, so it's no secret that I can't stand the Castiel character.

    He comes over so stupid and childish that it's annoying and boring, and it's even worse now that he is going to get pushed to the fore-front while Sam is the one who is probably going to get even less of a story-line than he has now.


    The brothers are great on screen together. I love them both.

    Why can't they simply write a story that includes Sam AND Dean without having to favour one at the expense of the other.

    What the heck are these writers thinking anyway!
    Bring back powers Sammy, I say at this point. At least when he was drinking demon blood,he had a story to tell!

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  65. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    The fact that Vesta told us that Sam is only being held together with paper clips and duct-tape isn't very uplifting.
    What is that going to mean? It's clear that Ezekiel isn't curing him at all then.
    I cannot imagine the writers ever killing off Sam, but it means that they are going to have to think up something exceptional to cure him otherwise.
    Neither can I believe that they will let Sam be completely taken over by Ezekiel. That would be too drastic.
    x

    Of course writers that can blame Sam for being soulless when the one to blame was Castiel who pulled him out without it are capable of anything!

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  66. sharonallyNovember 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Well Jared said Sam does come back into the narrative after the break , what that means I have no idea , they have written Sam into abit of a hole with Ezekiel and what it means for him. The problem is the writers only make Sam as complicated as they choose too .

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  67. lala2November 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    I will say that if Jared has had 23 days off since the beginning of the season, it hasn't really been reflected in the episodes. He's been present pretty much the entire time so that's good.

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  68. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Well that's why I don't believe this story about them getting more free time in their contracts, any more.

    If it was so both would get the same amount of days off.
    x

    This is all coming from Carver and the writers.

    They must have some weird ideas about what they want to do with the show, and at the end of the day they don't seem to care about what happens with Sam or even Dean for that matter, despite the fact that he is getting more screen time than Sam.
    I honestly think the writers just aren't creative enough to write for two leads so they sacrifice Sam to give one of the Winchesters more screen time.
    x

    In season eight I hated the number of times that Sam had to walk out of the scene to leave Dean alone with the guest star.

    This is just a small thing but why does it have to happen? In s8, he had to walk out the door in the Krissy ep and in the Charlie one he had to go into the bunker and leave them alone, just to name two.
    I don't blame any of this on Dean, the only ones to blame are the writers.

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  69. lala2November 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Hmmm . . . . does that mean Zeke takes over in 9.09 and then Sam regains control in 9.10? Or could it mean that some time after the break, Sam finally returns to the narrative? Like in 9.20 or something. Haha :-)
    I don't know. I wouldn't put it past this show to let Zeke be at the forefront - suppressing Sam - and then leaving towards the end of the season. The writers seem to have very little interest in writing for Sam so this could be a win-win for them.

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  70. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    This is also true. If he has had so many days off it should result much more obvious in the episodes than what it does.

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  71. lala2November 28, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    No, I don't think Zeke is healing him at all. If we are to believe Vesta then Sam would drop dead if Zeke were to exit his body. Zeke has done absolutely nothing, or the bare minimum, for Sam. Why? Did Zeke lie about his ability to heal Sam? Or is he simply not doing it? Is it taking longer than he expected? We don't know b/c we really don't know Zeke or his motives.
    I don't think Zeke would permanently take over Sam, but I could see him suppressing Sam for several episodes while he finishes his agenda. Or Dean and Castiel could figure out a way to return all the angels to Heaven so the hosts would have the spirits expelled from their bodies. That might be interesting!

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  72. lala2November 28, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Agreed! Those scenes last year were beyond ridiculous!!! In the teen episode (F&G?), you would have thought that Krissy and Sam never met. Why he left so Dean and Krissy could have a private good-bye will NEVER make any sense.
    I will say I was surprised w/the amount of interaction Sam had w/both Charlie and Jodi this year. I wasn't expecting that. That said, the writers are still lacking in general ability to write for TWO leads. It's one or the other, and Dean is the one most want to write about on a more substantive level, IMO.

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  73. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Well Castiel did say that he couldn't cure Sam, so why should Zeke be able to do so. He's either lying or he is more than an normal angel.
    x

    The fact that Zeke only came to Sam's side when Dean prayed to him makes me think that Zeke didn't have a pre-conceived plan but maybe when he got his hands on the powerful angel vessel that Sam is, he cooked up a scheme on the spur of the moment.
    Who knows at this point!
    x

    Then we can't forget that Dean too is a powerful angel vessel. I wonder if they will ever go back down that Michael/ Lucifer road? At this point it might be more exciting than what we're getting!

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  74. lala2November 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    I am S6 fan too. In fact, I enjoyed S6 more than S5.
    And don't get me started on the OOC nonsense that was the "Sam doesn't look for Dean" plot in S8. Crap. Utter crap. There's not much more to say than that.

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  75. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    I love season six too. After 1-3 it's my favourite.

    Sam not looking for Dean in season 8 was just ridiculous and the writers making Dean throw it up in Sam's face more than once, was just so wrong!

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  76. kerindaNovember 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    that true but in season 7 we got the sam is going crazy thing but only got 4 Ep from that we needed more of that but did not get that even the book that I got did a better job telling about sam going a little crazy then the show ever did.

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  77. lala2November 28, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Exactly! Cas made it clear that he couldn't heal Sam b/c Sam was greatly damaged. So, either Zeke is a liar (I tend to believe he is) or he's more powerful than Castiel. If it's the latter, then there has to be a reason Sam's all "duct tape and safety pins" inside rather than partially healed.
    I don't know. The Zeke angle is the most interesting stuff they have going on this year. The angel war (or whatever it is) is beyond boring. I don't care about random angels killing each other.
    As usual, I feel conflicted about the angels/Castiel. I have no interest in what Castiel is doing or in this angel plot, but I also feel that if it was to be the mid-season finale, then it should have been showcased more than it was. Does anyone care if angels are killing each other? I know I don't. I might care more if they had actually told a story about it instead of just dropping it into the mid-break.

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  78. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    I agree that the only interesting thing is the Zeke story because we know so little about him, which makes it appealing and tickles our curiosity.

    We don't know if he's bad, good or even god himself; nor do we know his intentions or if he even has any. So yeah!
    x

    As for the angels, it's boring because however it goes down, they belong in heaven, so unless the writers intend leaving heaven empty of everyone except Metatron, then in the end the angels are going to end up going back, maybe after they've learned some kind of lesson.

    However I doubt it as they are still dickish even now that they've been flung out of heaven!

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  79. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    It felt awkward and the dialogue just made me uncomfortable rather than make me laugh

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  80. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    I honestly dont know, they are being very vague with the spoilers as it is and not giving us any hints on the Sam front at all. Jensen has talked a little about Dean's storyline but Jared had nothing to say about Sam's. We should get something from Carver during the winter break.

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  81. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    right and that would be follow through with the whole consequences thing on Dean's side, Sam's would be being possessed by Zeke and basically being a walking corpse and who knows what else will happen on that front. At least they're following through with that but honestly it seems compared to Sam's consequences for stopping the trials Dean is getting off lightly.

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  82. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    I think he meant an emotional dark place

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  83. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    at least Jared would have something to do, personally I'd like to see Sam fight back and start to leach power from Zeke in order to heal himself and force Zeke out himself. It would be cool if slowly Sam begins to shove Zeke out and take control maybe even tap into the angels powers.

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  84. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    apparently it takes less days to film his scenes I guess maybe because there is less dialogue/less for him to do?

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  85. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    not forgetting episode 17 which will be the one directed by Misha and likely Sam light, episode 20 the spin off which will likely be Sam (more so) and Dean light (less so), a ghost facers episode around episode 14.

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  86. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    please no lets let the Michael and Lucifer stay done and dusted

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  87. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    right I saw it more as stupid that racist or offensive

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  88. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    the porn thing is way over done on the show seriously hasn't been funny for years not when Dean mentions it every other episode.

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  89. tvmonkeyNovember 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    but I dont think Zeke is up to no good or why would he and Zeke bond after Dean finds out about Zekes motives in episode 9?

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  90. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    Well, we are still dealing with angels and demons, the urban legends having been eliminated completely, so there is always the chance that the writers could go back down that road.

    Maybe not the Apocalypse but some version of it. I can't see Metatron being left to run heaven , so Michael turning up again could be the leader they need.

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  91. isleofskyeNovember 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Could be! He usually only gets to say things like "I'm good," or "I'm fine, Dean."
    x

    I prefer to think that he's such a terrific actor that he just gets it right first time off.:)

    I DO think he's a great actor, I'm not being sarcastic or anything.

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  92. lala2November 29, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    I'm thinking Zeke completely takes over Sam's boy, which is why there are no specific spoilers re: Sam.

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  93. lala2November 29, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Yes, I read that, and that makes more sense to me than Dean "going dark."

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  94. lala2November 29, 2013 at 12:32 AM

    That could be it.

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  95. lala2November 29, 2013 at 12:50 AM

    The problem with the angel story, for me, is it's horribly boring and has little to do with the Winchesters. Apart from S5, that has been the problem with all the angel stories, IMO. The Winchesters are not involved in any significant way so I have trouble caring! Haha! Sam and Dean can never help resolve those problems.

    Hopefully, we get some clarity on Zeke and his intentions in the next episode. That is the only plot I'm interested in at this point.

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  96. lala2November 29, 2013 at 12:56 AM

    True! I wasn't thinking about that.

    Zeke is probably fine then. Or it could be a long con? I guess Zeke is good. Maybe Dean becomes depressed because Sam is suicidal and doesn't want to live? I'm trying to guess why Dean is in a "dark place." Haha!

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  97. CyanaTNovember 29, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    Don't particularly care for the GF either and with our luck AG will bring Krissy back to ignore Sam in another episode. Glass is apparently writing 912 (Sharp Teeth) with Garth and it gives me hives that we'll get Southern Comfort 2, a heavy& moody Dean centric, ep with Garth and Glass's usual superficial treatment of Sam and it may be Sam lite to boot (4/5 days of 912 was by BurCon and filming resumes 12/2 per Russ Hamilton's twitter.)

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  98. CyanaTNovember 29, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    This is what scares me, too, that the writers may have written themselves into a hole with no Samzekiel 'exit strategy', they evidently dropped plans for the frequently mentioned Sam-demon-curing arc, and might well dismiss any emotional after effects (not to mention physical) of Sam when the secret comes and the writers might focus heavily on Dean's guilt instead... (maybe because JA had concerns about his dropped arcs).

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  99. CyanaTNovember 29, 2013 at 2:46 AM

    I'd like to think so, but I ran the scene very slowly on my tv and Sam/Zeke is already looking down. then Dean runs in also looking down, then Zeke TK and holds Dean and says "blah, blah, blah". I think he harms or kills Kevin. Nearly every mid season cliffee someone dies or comes very close, sometimes more than one important character.

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  100. Teresa CleghornDecember 2, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Worst episode of Supernatural ever. Dean would do anything for his brother- except answer the phone in the middle of case? Because of the worst seduction scene ever written which manages to make two good looking people completely unattractive while insulting women, Hispanics, religious beliefs. and regressing Dean to a horny teen?

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