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6 Nov 2013

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  1. João Paulo6 November 2013 at 04:05

    Awesome episode for me, I like the way they set things, explore the H.R. arc, use a lot of humor and finish with good action packed.


    Case of the week was a mix with predictable and clever in the same time, the end with the girl get the ball was excellent.


    Finally Carter get to head of H.R. and Quinn may will take down soon.
    R.I.P. Rookie
    Fusco return finally, I like his scene with Reese and Carter.


    The dialogues between Finch (Michael Emerson was very emotional in that scene) and Root got more interesting and better episode after episode. I don't know, but I think maybe Harold will let Root go to figure out the plan of the machine.




    Can't wait for the next episode.

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  2. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F6 November 2013 at 04:20

    What will happen to Carter? She involve a shooting incident again?

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  3. magnutude6 November 2013 at 04:31

    man, this show just doesn't miss a beat for me... loved how they tied the cotw and the HR plots together again possibly in set up for the upcoming 3 ep event the promo is touting... really enjoyed the conversations between Harold and Root as to what might be coming and what the machine is up to. Glad that Carter got her revenge on Terney.... my guess is that the HR plot will come to a head with the 3 ep event and perhaps Elias will come back out to play after that.....

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  4. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 04:44

    I love the contrast of Finch's... erm, Mr. Wren's Therapy session compared to Root's! XD
    And unsurprisingly he chose the flock of birds photo! XD

    I wonder if this Swede is Norwegian like Mr. Gundersen on Hell on Wheels?! XD
    No, this Swede (Carsten Norgaard) is Danish! XD

    I love HR episodes and Elias episodes so both in one episode is a treat!

    Fusco makes an appearance!
    This episode he actually had more screen time than Bear even! Huzzah!

    Tierney < Bar Stool
    Conman < Conwoman
    Rookie < Tierney < Carter

    Shaw got her I-really-want-to-shoot-him moment again... sigh.

    Root is still delusional as ever, but I'm glad we got a a little break from her arc. They needed to touch on her since she is at Team Machine HQ of course, but thankfully we did not have a Root heavy episode! Hopefully next episode will have even less of her, but I doubt it....

    Solid episode, but I'm still not loving this season. These meetings between Elias and Carter are no where near as fun as Elias meeting either Finch or Reese. Plus so far this year all of the cases have obvious..

    Just a good episode to me again... I am not a fan of this season's format with so many things going on in each episode. Either the writing quality has lowered some or with so much time devoted to multiple plots the A-plots are suffering. The B-plot, C-plot (and at times even D-plot) are usually okay, but the A-plots this year have been some of the worst in the series overall. Either way I hope the show regains its excellnce and we can get back to some stellar A-plots!!

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  5. CP6 November 2013 at 04:51

    I was worried over Shaw and Root becoming regulars. It's too many characters.

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  6. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 04:59

    For some reason I thought that their roles would be more in mini-arc form with a few episodes in a row with Shaw, then a handful of Root episodes etc. That way it would not have felt as convoluted.


    Having so many episodes with not only the addition of Root and Shaw, but also tossing in separate Cater plots and sometimes even adding Bear, Fusco or Elias for a scene or two is too much for me I think.

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  7. lulu6 November 2013 at 07:24

    just when I start to like Lanskey...

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  8. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F6 November 2013 at 07:44

    I think he was finally to understand HR is bad too bad

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  9. InvestedInYourFuture6 November 2013 at 10:55

    Root scenes pretty much made the episode for me. Seriously intense stuff and I can't wait to find out what is going on.



    Carter storyline is also getting really great. Really interested in where it goes.





    5/5

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  10. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 14:30

    You do realize why they need to keep Root around, don't you? At some point, The Machine is going to transfer its conciousness to Root's body and become the World Ruler, There's the Machine's end game for you and don't tell me that's been done before! I mean...it hasn't, has it? ... Has it?

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  11. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 14:36

    This episode didn't kncok me off my feet. Carter's storyline was basically just setting things up for the main event...namely when she tries to take down the true head of HR. For the main part of Team Machine (Finch, Reese, Shaw), it was just a filler episode.

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  12. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 15:44

    Hmm...I think you'd probably be enthralled by Amy Acker reading from a telephone book :) A feeling I can sort of empathize with, btw.

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  13. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 15:55

    Looks like there might be at least one less character soon (see promo)...

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  14. CP6 November 2013 at 16:01

    He's one character I don't want gone. The 4 original characters. :(

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  15. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 16:05

    Yeah, poor Fusco! He's worked so hard to redeem himself...

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  16. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 16:17

    Other than the great performance by Kevin Cahapman I really like the Fusco character because he basically the only average person on the show.


    The show does show the other characters as vulnerable at times, but Fusco is the only non-bad-ass of the bunch. Reese is a spec ops operator, Finch is a genius, Carter is ex-military and ex-rising star detective who usually has bad ass arcs, Shaw is bad-ass, and root is a super hacker that now has the machine in her ear. Fusco? Well Fusco has poorly fitting suits.

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  17. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 16:19

    Ugh!
    Just ugh.

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  18. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 18:40

    I liked this one, but for some reason it felt so dragged out. My favorite part was the Carter showdown, but I feel so bad for Lanskey, but the promo for the next 3 episodes obviously has me worried about Fusco again!! I'm not sure if we can say "A hero Falls" is completely synonymous with death, but it seems like it. Unfortunately I can't really imagine them killing anyone else other than Root...


    And speaking of Root, do you guys think Root was referring to the machine as Harold and her mother, or are they actually blood relatives??? The dialogue between them was also so fantastic, but like so many things, not definitve, but rather just circling arguments...


    I also enjoyed Shaw and Carter working together for a bit. Shaw giving her punching advise and Carter admitting she already knows was priceless!!


    Also nice to see the stories tying into each others'...Everything is surely more complex and interconnected this year...

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  19. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 18:45

    I don't recall CBS promos ever being that spoilery, which is why I'm wondering if it's a false lead and someone else is going to die a hero? Root maybe???

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  20. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 18:48

    No, but on Fringe William Bell's conscience was transferred from beyond the grave, into Olivia's body, and then almost into a computer...(and in an alternate time line of the comic book, William Bell was a computer)


    I'm not sure if we need "root"...what I mean is she has been made into this ethically controversial character that is willing to DIE for the machine (believing the machine to of the greater good). I don't think they would kill Finch, but it's their debates that are at the heart of the purpose of machine that might be hinting the possibility of Root proving herself [to Harold] in some way.

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  21. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 18:54

    Interesting.
    I don't watch a lot of promos so I was not sure,but good to know


    My thought was that Fusco will live, and the promo was a red herring, but I have been fearing they will cull the cast and Fusco is the first kill. Who knows!

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  22. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 19:06

    I figured on Root being a season long arc so I'm not sure she will die this early into the season. Maybe leave and come back for a finale run of episodes?


    Either way I do see her as completely temporary. Seriously how could they keep her as a regular for two or three seasons?


    Root to me is only a fit as the Machine is in its "adolescence", as it explores and discovers "who" it is. Root is the crazy friend that every parent knows is a bad influence, but still has to deal with as their kid rebels. In the end the Machine will always come back to Finch.


    Finch and Reese will not die until a series finale.... if ever.

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  23. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 19:10

    I was kidding about whether it's been done before. I believe that there have been numerous variations of that theme (or very similar ones). It wasn't always a computer; sometimes it was an incorporeal being or a symbiont (Stargate et al) that was transplanted into a human donor. I was just joking around, motivated by Root's slavish devotion to The Machine and by my wondering what the showrunners endgame for this show might be...and whether they might realy be planning to go reallly SciFi on us.

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  24. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 19:11

    "Root to me is only a fit as the Machine is in its "adolescence", as it explores and discovers "who" it is. Root is the crazy friend that every parent knows is a bad influence, but still has to deal with as their kid rebels. In the end the Machine will always come back to Finch."


    Yep, that's my belief too.


    And just to comment:
    I think Cor Malum's idea is too sci-fi for this particular series, although something like this might go hand in hand with Almost Human's premise and seems like there are some weeks when certain BR episodes are on together tend to share something...But maybe it's more feasible the other way?...Roots conscience is some how downloaded into the Machine?

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  25. DarqueMode6 November 2013 at 19:13

    I actually think everything is far LESS complicated this year.


    Yes, more cases dove-tail together, but each of those cases is more direct and less complex due to less screen time per episode. In fact, to me personally, the merging of the two arcs has really not added much to either arc. They just merge and continue together. without really adding much nuance or information to the other arc.


    In the best of series with merged arcs like that we see things in an entirely new light once we realize the cases are connected. I just do not think that has happened this year.

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  26. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 19:24

    Again, I was just being silly! On the other hand, the time travel episode on Castle recently reminded me that there's nothing so silly that some showrunner won't do it.

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  27. InvestedInYourFuture6 November 2013 at 20:14

    THat's the thing. A hero Falls could mean so many different things, starting with someone's death and ending with someone like Carter (a hero) aligning herself with Elias for revenge.

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  28. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 20:19

    Oh, sorry. Ya I just remembered Battlestar also. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone you don't know very well is being sarcastic. I apologize. I always try to take people seriously.

    I think in terms of Bad Robot going into the metaphysical world there is ALWAYS a possibility, but this is the first series that has started it's sci-fi on the down low and has generally kept the sci-fi grounded in 'reality' and also focused on the political aspects of humanity more than other series...

    However "Endgame" is the name of an episode and reference to Milo Rambaldi in Alias (It also was originally announced as Fringe season 4 finale title, before it was changed to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World")...

    From Alias Wiki Milo Rambaldi and his Endgame:

    "Milo Rambaldi (1444-1496) was a fifteenth century philosopher whose work was often centuries ahead of its time. His devices that relate to his prophecies, were a key focus of a group of people determined to discover Rambaldi's endgame; immortality. Arvin Sloane dedicated over 30 years of his life to discovering this prophecy and used the resources of the SD-6 organization to follow the trail of Rambaldi's designs and discover his devices.
    There seems to be no limit to Rambaldi's genius as he was highly capable in automatism, life extension, protein engineering, mathematics, cryptography and cartography. Rambaldi is said to have predicted the digital information age. He invented a machine code language around 1489, cryptographic algorithms, and sketched the designs of a portable vocal communicator and a prototype that reflected the properties of a transistor."

    --------

    "Milo Rambalid's ultimate vision, or his endgame, was sought after by many. In short, Rambaldi envisioned world peace, which he planned to achieve through the creation of several key devices. The first step in achieving his endgame was the pollution of the world's water supply with The Orchid. In conjuction with the Mueller Device, a central object in his prophecies and his ensignia, , the world would be purged of evil. This phase of the plan, The Flood, was put into effect by Elena Derevko before she was prevented, at vulgar cost, by The Chosen One, who had engaged in battle with The Passenger, as predicted by Rambaldi.
    Once the world was purged, the survivors would live in peace, brought about by the calming effect of the Orchid. It was Rambaldi's intent to reveal the greatest power, immortality, after this. Rambaldi protected this power by ensuring that only the purest of people could obtain it, namely The Chosen One and The Passenger.

    Rambaldi's vision of a perfect world was intended to be enacted by The Flood, a purge of evil from the world, followed by a utopian society that would never know death."

    The episode title synopsis:
    "Endgame is the 19th episode of Season 2 of Alias and the 41st episode overall. Sydney defies her father in her attempt to rescue kidnapped scientist Neil Caplan, while Sloane, seeking revenge for the assassination of his wife orders that Dixon's wife be taken out. Meanwhile, Allison in the guise of Francie manipulates an unsuspecting Will for his agency connections."



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  29. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 20:30

    In terms of who the characters are, except Shaw, I agree with you, because the stories have yet to be as reflective of who THEY are, like they were before. However, they might be doing this because there is about to be shift and that shift may in fact become more telling in terms of what the POI's and HR have been adding up to in relation to who the characters are going to be after whatever happens, happens...


    I think the POI's are more complex and I think it's kind of interesting to have that perspective given, even if I miss seeing episodes where the POI's effect Reese and Finch, although I think Carter is better written this season...

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  30. Cor Malum6 November 2013 at 20:44

    Wow, thanks for the info! Are you just a Bad Robot fan, or of the genre, in general? I remeber watching the first 4 seasons of Alias, but I don't remember the names of any of the episodes anymore. And I didn't remember who produced it anymore, either. But given what you've written, the idea that they might actually go all science-fictiony on us isn't entirely absurd, then. I don't really want them to and the show so far hasn't really been true "hard" sci-fi yet, given what we've learned that the NSA and related agencies have been doing since 9/11. However, I thought I'd felt a few vibes in that direction and I'm not really sure I'd like it.

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  31. InvestedInYourFuture6 November 2013 at 21:16

    I'd say this whole season is even MORE about who the characters are, but not in the usual way - its no longer told through person-of-the-week cases. Its defined by their interactions with each other.

    Root and Finch's interaction defines Root and Finch as people.

    Shaw's interaction with everyone defines Shaw. And through Shaw we get insight into John too, both who he used to be and his more "softer" current side, which is hard to display when everyone else is still "softer" than him now(hence why Shaw is necessity in this case)

    Carter's interaction with Elias and Fusco's reactions to Carter clearly defines and highlights the change Carter as a character went through(because I am pretty sure if Season 1 Carter met Season 3 Carter, she would arrest her immediately).


    Its less about the cases affecting them and more about how each of them affect each other and react to what each other is becoming.



    This season is essentially six character journeys told through the eyes of each other.

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  32. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 21:34

    Good point. I didn't think of it that way. :)

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  33. DarthLocke46 November 2013 at 21:35

    Ya, I'm a pretty big and dorky BR fan, but I like the genre a great deal too!!

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  34. CP6 November 2013 at 22:54

    Haha Yeah. Having a more ordinary person in the group is nice.

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  35. László Harsányi7 November 2013 at 08:50

    Very good point, I completely agree.


    I must also add that IMHO it's an outdated approach in case of this show when people classifies one plot as the "main" and the others as secondary. The base of the show is that the Machine gives them numbers, it's true. But as you said, the COTW are mainly scenes in which they can interact with each other and/or moves the plots ahead. From this POV the Machine-Finch-Root plot is nowhere superior or inferior to the HR-Carter-Fusco thread or to the Controll-Shaw-Machine line. Those are equally important, when one of them comes to the limelight it's not because that is the "main" one, only that for a while the story moves more on that plot. Kind of like in the Game of Thrones.


    This also means that the show turns to be more of an ensemble cast now than the starting two leads + supporting cast version was. Accepting this needs an adjustment in the heads of the viewers and I'm not completely surprised that it doesn't go without some frustration. To me the most compelling part of the show has always always the high concept element, so I'm pretty happy with the changes.

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  36. DarthLocke47 November 2013 at 16:50

    "This also means that the show turns to be more of an ensemble cast now than the starting two leads + supporting cast version was. Accepting this needs an adjustment in the heads of the viewers and I'm not completely surprised that it doesn't go without some frustration. To me the most compelling part of the show has always always the high concept element, so I'm pretty happy with the changes."

    I think that's true (and again InvestedInYourFuture has made a good point about direct interaction still being away to expose their identity), but because of it along with the super plots, I think we have seen a lot less of Reese & Finch, and Fusco, including time spent on flashbacks in relation to them.


    It feels very different, because they have been more focused on Carter and Shaw, and Root, HR and then a couple of episodes have been generic POI's, So although I like the fleshing out and making it a more ensemble cast, to not have more episodes that are character centric (like Shaw's just was) to the older more established characters all the sudden, does make it feel imbalanced, even though I'm sure in time we will get back to the other male characters and their centric episodes. (I'm sure it's also thematic to the idea that the machine is "female" and that we have yet to meet "Ma'am")


    I think it's those centric episodes that relate past to future together (which I always think is a great writing device) is what makes what they're going through and what we're looking at more introspective and personal, as oppose to only generically passing information between each other about themselves in the episode. IMO it's not as emotionally resonating.

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  37. Ereth Reetnith8 November 2013 at 20:09

    *shrug* that s y i love this show! it has such a good balance, keeping all the balls in the air and all the plots weaving and all the character arcs and story arcs dancing around each other without feeling overcrowded or needlessly complicated. it's juuuust complicated enough to make it fascinating... i know it's not everyone's cup of tea but i liked both Shaw's and Root's appearances so far...

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