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Nov 13, 2013

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81 comments:

  1. robinclank2November 13, 2013 at 2:02 AM

    WOW I can't believe they completely destroyed tyler's character in favor of Klaus.

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  2. macNovember 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    This episode has perfectly proven that Klaus is the villain of his own show, there are no redeeming features left with him, I have no reason left to root for this character.
    Tyler grew a pair and is sticking around, I'm looking forward to this, altough I wanted good ol' Ty back.
    If Elijah forgives Klaus I'll riot btw.


    Rooting for Marcel/Rebekah/Tyler now.


    btw. Josh and Davina are great

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  3. BellerinaNovember 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM

    …Klaus should have killed Tyler. Obviously Elijah is going to forgive Klaus and be on his side in the "battle". If Hayley's baby has the hybrid blood, shouldn't that blood be able to help Elijah? :\

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  4. StevenNovember 13, 2013 at 2:05 AM

    God i love this show im so happy they give us full season...hope the next news would be The Originals Got Renewed!

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  5. StevenNovember 13, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Haylijah are the best i love those two...love the friendship between josh & davina

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  6. Kris BNovember 13, 2013 at 2:16 AM

    That twist at the end... Can't believe Tyler did that! Hayley & Elijah, I felt that chemistry!!! Klaus is going to kill Marcel and the rest of his followers!

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  7. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Damn that was good!!! Tyler you asshole!! UGHH!! This is why i've wanted Tyler gone longggg ago! I knew he would take wicked revenge on Klaus, by teaming up with Marcel! And Rebekah, once again so naive for "love" being manipulated yet again. Am i the only one who wants to slap her with her own Stiletto? And what happened to the line, "I will separate your head from your neck!" I hate when they do that. Same thing they did with Alaric. Why put it in the promo at all?? Rebekah is going to feel so much guilt when Klaus is fighting off hundreds of vamps. He was actually kindly (as kind as he could be) asking Rebekah if Marcel was plotting against him then she goes and calls him paranoid. Smh, that's gonna blow up in her face. I really enjoyed Klaus and Tyler's fight though. Even though i felt a little jipped. I thought it would last a little longer. But i knew Klaus wouldn't kill him right away. Looks like Tyler is gonna have a little story arc. He's still gonna get himself killed though. Elijah and Klaus, Klaus let it all out...."have at it then" Hahaha he is a bastard, but again as i said plenty of times he doesn't care. I do however think he generally cares about that baby and had no idea that his kid would be able to sire anyone, especially this early, hence his feelings being hurt, hence him biting Elijah, b/c he struck a nerve. If Klaus is going to be busy with Marcel's clan, and Elijah will start dying, my automatic thought was, Hayley is his only option. Question is would her ever bother to feed from her? Idt he'll like the idea. But i think Hayley will force him too....loved them in the cabin!! I loved when they both stared at each other then looked down at the same time. lol Then she said "It's hot in here, i'm going to go get some air" I said THAT'S THE SEXUAL TENSION BABY!! LOL Yeah you go get that air, the sexual tension isn't going anywhere. Heavy Sigh...Nov. 26..sooo farrrr awayyyyy. I knew it was coming, but now it's for real (does that make sense? just me? ok, haha) Quick question...When Davina pinky swore with Josh, did anyone else think of Silas?? LOL I did.

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  8. CPNovember 13, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    I wouldn't say in favor of Klaus. Klaus was at his worst this episode.

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  9. macNovember 13, 2013 at 2:28 AM

    Tyler ? Asshole ? You've got to be kidding me ? After Klaus laughed in Tylers face and harped on how he killed his mother ?

    Sometimes I'm fucking done with parts of Klaus' fandom...

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  10. vivciousNovember 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM

    I feel bad for the Tyler fans out there, the character is really being run into the ground. And I agree, Klaus has no room to be angry when people distrust him. But having said that, it would be weird to see him do a quick 180 and suddenly be a defanged good guy. So it's nice to see the writers pacing themselves.

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  11. Jared SowellNovember 13, 2013 at 2:38 AM

    Klaus is my favorite character...I hope he kills tyler, kills all the vamps next week, have a serious talk with Rebecca about her betrayal (when he finds out..and maybe do a klaus apology for his own betrayals in the past..which would probably be something like "ok fine..i daggered you for your own protection Rebecca'..a few times".)set things right with hayley as far as his kid is concerned, and finally as much as I root for klaus..no one touches elijah. Elijah needs to kick his ass for that. Im starting to like the little witch too.

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  12. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    IKR?!?! I mean I knew Tyler would team up with Marcel to get his revenge on Klaus,(and Hayley) it's something i have been waiting for for a very long time, since Carol. BUT i did not think he would take it that for. In that moment the only thing i was thinking of was the baby, and how everyone if going to be going after it. I mean Kudos for Tyler for growing some balls, but damnnnn that was lowwww.

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  13. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 3:05 AM

    That's what I said in my post. Elijah's option to get well would to be to drink from Hayley, but given how Elijah is idk if he'd go for that. Hayley might have to force him to drink. And LMFAO!!! That Klaus impersonation was HILARIOUS!!! I wonder if there were bloopers in that scene. lol

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  14. Anisa MohamudNovember 13, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    everyone is say tylers action was low but are you guys forgetting that kluas killed his friends n tired to kill him just because he didnt want to be sired , killed his mom, and tyler could be with the love of his life because Klaus allowed it so yeah can makes a man a bit crazy enough to do something so low

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  15. Anisa MohamudNovember 13, 2013 at 3:24 AM

    but because tyler next episode Haley and Elijah will have moment alone to themselves

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  16. BellerinaNovember 13, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    I agree about Rebekah being naive when it comes to Marcel. I am yet to figure out if Marcel has genuine feelings for her or is she a pawn in this little war. I wonder if Elijah will be the one to kill Tyler for harming Hayley, given last week's episode.


    Hayley and Elijah's feelings become more apparent each episode. I, too, wonder if they'll come to the same theory that Hayley's (baby's) blood may cure Elijah. If we are right and it does, that would make for a sweet scene between the two.


    I know Klaus is being a bit of a spoilt child, but I do feel sorry for him. He's pushing people away and in turn he won't have anyone on his side. But I do believe (as I wrote in my comment above) that Elijah will forgive Niklaus and help him. Also will Rebekah confide in Elijah about Marcel's plans?


    I also agree and believe that Klaus had no intention of using the baby to make a "hybrid army" or had prior knowledge of what the baby could do. I think he genuinely cares for the baby and that he's capable of being a father, like he once was to Marcel.

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  17. BellerinaNovember 13, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    LOL. I was jut responding to your comment! :p hahaha

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  18. macNovember 13, 2013 at 3:41 AM

    agreed, Tyler wasn't so off tonight.

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  19. lsbloomNovember 13, 2013 at 4:08 AM

    Stop trying to kill Klaus! It's just absurd. People you aren't being "controlled" by Klaus. He doesn't give a crap what you do until it conflicts what he wants. So don't try to kill Klaus, don't lock him in living rooms, don't betray him, don't blackmail him, and the rest he doesn't care about. He's selfish. Controlling other people's lives is exhausting work, work Klaus is not up for. He doesn't like being treated like he's a villain, but he'll do it. Elijah spent all that time convincing Klaus to stay in New Orleans and take on Hayley and the baby, then all of a sudden Elijah thinks Klaus had an ulterior motive? It's like he doesn't remember the conversation at all (or like the audience he's also supposed to have forgotten the doppleganger part of the hybrid-making curse--not that I'm asking for dopplegangers on The Originals, stay far away with those nightmares please).


    I think I would be more forgiving of Rebekah and Elijah betraying their families if they didn't do it while spouting off about how important family is and awful betraying family is. Rebekah is plotting against Klaus (again), trying to put him down (again), lying to him (again), thinking he is awful (again), at the same time as she is pissed that he doesn't love and trust her because of her actions. Please. If you are going to say "you have to choose family," you choose family, not the some idiot girl's supposition. Poor Rebekah is sad that Klaus doesn't forget her transgressions, this is 30 seconds after Elijah raises the litany of evils Klaus has perpetuated. Let's see transgressions that won't be forgiven, times two.

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  20. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM

    Rebekah really needs to put a wall up and stop being such an easy target. After 1000 yrs u'd think she'd know better. I mean first it was Alexander, then it was Marcel, then Stefan, then Matt, now back to Marcel. Ugh! TBH MarceI i think he's using her more than anything else. He can draw all the houses, mansions, castles he wants for it to be their dream home, and I STILL wouldn't trust him. I really hope this THING they have that it will make Rebekah open her eyes. B/cI believe if Marcel REALLY loved her through thick and thin, he wouldn't keep using her for his own personal gain.He wants to be "king" so badly, well if he keeps playing Rebekah every which way, she sure as hell won't be his Queen.

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  21. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 4:10 AM

    Lol and I just responded to it. Lol

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  22. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    You mean 2 weeks.

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  23. CGSNovember 13, 2013 at 4:15 AM

    It is thoroughly disgusting that people defend Klaus as though a single one of his actions is ever justifiable, he is by far the most juvenile and annoying character in this little fictional universe. I wish they'd let Tyler kill the hell out of him.


    Anyway loving this show, other than Klaus (who had better be DEAD dead by the series finale of this show).

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  24. Anisa MohamudNovember 13, 2013 at 4:32 AM

    Are you people confused the bite that was given to Elijah it only cause hallucination but the
    blood that runs through Haley makes hybrids out of werewolves and I do love Klaus
    but you have to understand each sibling has a reason for their mistrust. You
    don't believe me, explain how you'll feel
    if your brother for whatever reason locked you up in a box for 90 years just because you wanted
    to stop running and somehow that’s your fault for not jump aboard on Klaus
    crazy plan. I understand Klaus emotional issue for trying to fulfill his life
    with material possession because he was never accepted by his mother and father
    but when you build thousands of years of mistrust with your siblings it’s never
    ends pretty and that no one’s fault. Them being together as family wasn’t going
    to be easy but they have to learn about their own mistakes before start a fresh
    new start. Yeah Rebecca falls for every guy but every guy gets killed by Klaus
    hands except (marcel which say lot of insight to their relationship) and sure Elijah
    is not perfect but he looks perfect because always trying clean up the mess,
    even though Klaus can point out everyone’s flaws he can’t deal with his own and
    this episode is need because their family has so far been threatened and broken
    which is flaws plan by the writer. To create this sense of divide of power within
    the family is needed before they can reunite and built to be stronger is need. If
    they use this episode and previous episode
    with the witches out to get them would be perfect to create enough outer
    force that cause enough friction in their pull of tug of war for the originals
    to realize they’re stronger together

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  25. robinclank2November 13, 2013 at 4:36 AM

    So everyone should just stand around and give in to Klaus's every whim just because he throws a temper tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants

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  26. KrysNovember 13, 2013 at 4:37 AM

    Lower than Klaus murdering Carol?

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  27. KrysNovember 13, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    His own betrayals in the past? You mean starting from his betrayals in the past, up until this episode right? You Klaus fans....

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  28. KrysNovember 13, 2013 at 4:41 AM

    Yea they excuse anything Klaus does and even try to justify, but god forbid Tyler retaliates then its oh Tyler is so low. Klaus has taken everything away from this kid, Klaus deserves everything bad that happens to him.

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  29. KrysNovember 13, 2013 at 4:43 AM

    LOL what are you saying? Klaus has been about "family" as he has said dozens of times and has betrayed his family how many times?? You are mad at Elijah/Rebekah for doing exactly what Klaus has done? I swear.

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  30. DetectivexoNovember 13, 2013 at 4:46 AM

    Klaus is THE anti-hero, I can't help but root for the despicable hybrid that he is. It's still early on in the series and since they got a full order I'm sticking with him maybe he'll grow or just become the lesser of two evils and they all have to gravitate back to him but I wanna see what they do cause right now everything has exploded in his face. And I really wanna know what the deal is with Hayley/Andrea's heritage

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  31. robinclank2November 13, 2013 at 4:52 AM

    "I daggered you for your own protection" um protection from what? no more like I daggered you because I have a temper tantrum whenever I don't have my way and someone disappoints me just like biting Elijah

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  32. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 5:04 AM

    umm, well let's see. a whole town of witches and vampires going after an unborn baby trying to kill it repeatedly to get through klaus, or 1 hybrid, killing one grown up woman....yeah actually i think so.

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  33. TeamLexanaNovember 13, 2013 at 5:30 AM

    Ugh. This ep made it once again glaringly apparent why I hate Phoebe Tomkin's forced involvement into the storyline. The writers COMPLETELY ignored the CHARACTER HAYLEY'S involvement in the hybrid massacre that ended with Tyler's mother being drowned in a fountain. How dare that little wolf call TYLER of all peeps a backstabber. UGH. Someone ELSE please employ Phoebe so she can get the HELL off of The Originals.

    Maybe, just maybe if Hayley's blood is needed to make the hybrids transition like Elena's was needed - then all that is needed is to KILL HAYLEY right after the baby is born so that viola, Mikalson baby gets to live without the fear that it will Sire an army to kill all Supes. As a bonus, Hayley will be dead. Yay. lol.

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  34. TeamLexanaNovember 13, 2013 at 5:34 AM

    I don't know, I kinda felt sorry for the big bad hybrid. He seemed to me to be genuinely hurt when his bro thought the only reason he wanted the baby was for a hybrid army - that Klaus had no idea the baby could provide. The bastard comment really hit it, since Elijah himself helped Mikeal capture him back in the day and force the curse on him to shut down his wolf side.

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  35. BellerinaNovember 13, 2013 at 6:47 AM

    When Hayley called Tyler a "backstabber" I didn't think she was referring to him backstabbing Klaus but more Hayley herself by kidnapping her. That's how I took it at least.

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  36. TeamLexanaNovember 13, 2013 at 6:55 AM

    And how is it backstabbing her, considering what she did to Tyler? Hayley deserves nothing but contempt from Tyler. Should he have done what he did to her, no, killing a baby is horrible, but he has no loyalties to her either.

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  37. JoNovember 13, 2013 at 7:42 AM

    Klaus is such a badass!

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  38. vivciousNovember 13, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    To be clear, Elijah and Rebekah has from day one (of The Originals show) kept their guards up around Klaus. They did their part to keep Hayley safe. Including using their family pact to control Klaus.

    Klaus doesn't deserve any of his siblings (alive and dead ones) trust at this point of the story. If we totaled all the years the siblings (Finn and Kol included) had been daggered and betrayed by Klaus, it would be the upwards of 1,142+ years. And that doesn't even include the stress Klaus caused them when they /weren't/ daggered.

    Extra tidbit: To put into perspective on how much of a dbag Klaus has been to his own flesh and blood, if we travel back 1,142 years, we're in the Middle Ages when Vikings were conquering Europe and the Mayan Empire had yet to collapse. Thats how long they've had to deal with Klaus' backstabbing.

    TL;DR: The Mikaelson bastard knows nothing and has to earn with blood and tears, the trust of his siblings.

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  39. ShannonNovember 13, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Idk how I feel about that. One the one hand, YES! They'll have a moment w/o being interrupted. FINALLY! But on the other hand he'll be hallucinating and probably trying to attack her, and he'll probably start thinking of Katherine, or Tatia (god i hope not) while he's with Hayley, that i don't want to see. I want them to have a sweet moment like Delena had when he was on his bed.

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  40. ViKiNovember 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Klaus die, pretty much EVERY vampire of this show and Vampire Diaries die, so...

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  41. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Yeah I think so too. I felt he was genuine and that he was not thinking of using his child to create hybrids. Tyler is just baiting Hayley so that she would turn on Klaus. ANd i also think that the comment tyler said about Klaus not being able to be a good father hit him hard. I almost think that Klaus cant kill Tyler or Marcel because he feels like he is father type figure and maybe he knows what its like to be hated by the person who created you. I dont know I just dont understand how Klaus hasnt killed Tyler or Marcel.

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  42. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    It might not work because Tyler took blood from the fetus. At least that is what it looked liked. Didnt he poke her in the belly?

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  43. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    No i dont think so. They Marcel for the show. But somehow something will have to be done to stop him from doing so. I even think that maybe Davina might free Klaus as she owes him one. But will ask Klaus not to kill Marcel..

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  44. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    Yeah I agree Shannon. I almost think that the baby is gonna have some type of power that scares the witches. ANd I also think that Tyler was lying to Marcel when he said that the baby will be the death of all vampires. Tyler wants to destroy everything that Klaus loves, so he will not hesistate to kill the baby. But somehow I have a strong suspicion that the baby will have a strong bond to Klaus but not because he was sired but because he is the father. Just like in a wolf pack. The baby instinctively will love Klaus and Hayley.

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  45. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Yeah if Elijah doesnt kill Tyler then it would be stupid. Tyler was saying outloud looking for Hayley saying, "I"ll make it quick." Yes Tyler wants Hayley dead. He knows more about the baby than what he is saying and I almost feel that he knows the baby will love Klaus and somehow that the baby is gonna be stronger than the hybrids Klaus created with Elena's blood. That is why the witches are freaked out. And Tyler wants to hurt Klaus even if it means killing a baby.

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  46. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    I think Marcel is using Rebecca. With Tyler sharing the news about Klaus being a daddy, well Marcel is gonna wanna kill Hayley too. What is Rebecca gonna do then? I doubt that Marcel is gonna tell Rebecca his plan. Somehow I think Davina will end up switching sides at that moment. I think one powerful 16 year old witch is gonna have some serious issues with anyone killing baby.

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  47. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Show is about centered around him. LIke it or not. The writers have already said so. Just as Elena in the vampire diaires. The show centers around her too. Even with the Salvatore brothers. They center around her as well. There would be no show with Klaus on the Originals. It is about the character finding his human side. When the show does end eventually it will be with Klaus finding peace and being able to find love with his family.

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  48. madair1014November 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Yeah Hayley played a huge role in his mothers demise. She knew from the get go that the hybrids would be killed and the purpose of them being unsired was part of the plot to bring her parents back. She did not free the hybrids to end their suffering from Klaus demands but rather to help bring her parents back. And then she revealed to Klaus what Tyler did so that he would kill the hybrids. Then she slept with Klaus.

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  49. BellerinaNovember 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    But remember Rebekah said that Klaus's blood is now in Hayley because of the baby. Also Dwayne fed off Hayley to complete the hybrid transition, when usually they would have needed a doppelgänger… :S


    I don't know, this is an unknown situation and Shannon and I have only theorised that perhaps this baby's hybrid blood in Hayley could cure Elijah.

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  50. Chiz_ItNovember 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    So I haven't seen the episode yet, (I know major spoiler alerts are in these posts) But I'm confused. Based on what I read Elijah has a werewolf bite correct? Everyone is saying to heal himself he should feed from Hayley?? But does anyone remember in TVD season 4 like early eps when Rebekah had that party at her house and Connor the Vamp Hunter stole some of Tyler's Werewolf serum and put it in the beer. Elena got sick and klaus healed her. Bex was still at her house having hallucinations and Matt enters her room and she says "Whatever this is it isn't white oak so it cant kill me" and she basically sleeps it off until April walks into her room trying to clean up. So clearly Klaus never healed bex and she lived so what is this supposed to be different in TO now? like if Bex or Elijah are bitten by a werewolf they die now? Again I haven't seen the ep so maybe it plays out differently but just based on the comments everyone seems worried about Elijah and I'm over here like "err only white oak kills them!" LoL Thoughts?!

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  51. CPNovember 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    No Elijah said in this episode that he can't die, but it will make him hallucinate, feel ill, etc.

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  52. KrysNovember 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM

    I never said it wasn't a low blow, but what it is, is out of character for Tyler. But, I don't at all think it's any more lower than the things Klaus has done since he has been on the show and Hayley is no innocent bystander. She is responsible for the hybrids and Carol's death. I love both Hayley and Tyler, but I'm just tired of people dragging on Tyler when other people have done pretty terrible things as well.

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  53. ViKiNovember 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    This. Klaus is a villain with a lost child soul; smart, cruel, suave, mistrustful, unhappy. He's not writen to be likeable right now. He's a complex character in a journey.

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  54. vivciousNovember 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    I certainly don't want him off the show. I like him as the anti-hero. But it is unsettling to see the lengths some fans are going to romanticize him.

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  55. vivciousNovember 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    To add to what CP said, Rebekah might have consumed a small dose of the venom compared to Elijah's full on bite from Klaus. So the "hallucinations and dementia" (Klaus' word in the episode) will last longer. Elijah isn't dying in the next episode, but having major case of a werewolf-bite flu lol

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  56. thedane5November 13, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    I think Rebekah is being used....again. That poor girl needs to team up with Hayley or somebody else who is not gonna use her. I think Rebekah is so much fun, but I´d love to see her grow a little "stronger".
    I was never a big fan of Tyler on TVD, and I hope he does not stay on The Originals for long. Does anybody know how many episodes he is suppose to do? I understand that they want to bring some werewolves in, but I would prefer to find out more about Hayleys family.
    I missed Cami in this episode. She brings a good balance to Klaus character. I did not miss Sophie though.

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  57. TeamLexanaNovember 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    It just pisses me off that The Originals magically swept that under the carpet like it never happened. I have no faith in the CHARACTER Hayley to behave how a character would behave, she is nothing but a vehicle for Phoebe Tomkin to be on the show. I think she's a lovely actress but they need to stop forcing her into the plotline where she doesn't fit.

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  58. AsiaNovember 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Awesome episode, I feel sorry for Klaus, everyone turning against him and I believe he was starting to change!
    Can't wait for the next episode.

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  59. AniNovember 13, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Well.. I can understand the anger against Klaus but he better be NOT dead by the end and he probably never will be since he is the origin of Stefan, Katherine, Damon, Elena, Tyler what so ever bloodline.. and there is no way they let the main characters on TVD die and also not the main character of the Originals..

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  60. Pérola Cardozo AlvesNovember 13, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    To be honest, I think Tyler's character went the limbo path the moment they made him a werewolf. Tyler has not be consistent at all, and he made bad decisions well before The Originals. His character in TVD was all over the place, and made no sense. Now, he, at least, have some motivation and he's not winning, he got a dark turn, and is the first time in years that I actually liked the way he was portrayed.

    That said...

    The first time in the episode that Klaus said he would kill Tyler, I yelled at the television : GO KLAUS!!!
    Yes, Klaus is the worst, but he was very much surprised about his child's hybrid powers. And Hayley and Elijah, the two people that Klaus was worried about all this season, turned on him and assumed he knew all. Damn, he didn't even wanted the kid, Elijah was the one who pushed. And we saw lots of times that Klaus acted worried for Hayley. He had a right to be angry like he got, in this episode, it was well funded.

    He lost the only person he had as a friend, cause he tried to erase her pain. The mother of his only child was falling for his bigger brother. His sister is getting in bed with his ex-"son" and current enemy. He's feeling abandoned, so, yes, he's going to act out and be an ass.

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  61. lsbloomNovember 14, 2013 at 12:08 AM

    Guys, I have the same problem with the Mikaelson's being hypocritical about distrusting Klaus and hating everything he's ever done, as I did with the TVD guys doing it. If you want to write him off and act like all he's ever done is bad. Fine, stop asking for his help. Stop claiming to think forgiveness is what family is about all the while not forgiving your family. Stop asking for stuff if you don't want to be asked for stuff in return. Elijah begged Klaus to keep and protect Hayley and the baby, then he gets mad when Klaus keeps and protects Hayley. That doesn't make sense! Elijah begged. Klaus relented for his brother, then Elijah based on a silly supposition from Hayley decided that Klaus was doing what Elijah wanted him to do in order to be a bad guy. That's illogical.

    The Mikaelsons are all totally codependent, they all shift their alliances and betray each other, they all try to kill each other. Klaus is just harder to kill and a better plotter. So Elijah and Rebekah are tired of losing and think because Klaus wins they should get a forgiveness pass. It doesn't change the facts. Elijah tried his best to kill Klaus, Rebekah is plotting against him with her lover. It's not like either of them are sweet caring, selfless people. I'm not saying Klaus is a good guy. I just don't enjoy the hypocrisy.

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  62. lsbloomNovember 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM

    They should either let him have it or get out of the way if they don't want to face repercussions for actively working against him. If they disagree with his decision, they should talk to him--like Elijah did with the witches. He asked, Klaus complied. Like they did with Hayley at the beginning. Attacking him, calling him names, plotting against him, aren't the way to deal to Klaus. They aren't mature, logical actions. They are stooping to absurd pettiness with the only excuse being that Klaus is also petty. That's hardly the high road.

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  63. lsbloomNovember 14, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    I'm mad at them for doing exactly what Klaus does and then acting like he's the only bad guy because of it.

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  64. robinclank2November 14, 2013 at 2:14 AM

    "They should either let him have it or get out of the way if they don't want to face repercussions for actively working against him." okay let me see if I understand this nonsense. if Klaus what to kill me because he feels like it I should not fight it because its something Klaus wants. Going back to tvd when he wanted to sacrifice Elena to break his curse I guess they should have just handed her over to him because Elena knows her life doesn't matter as long as Klaus has what he wants right. That is what I got from what you said.

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  65. ShannonNovember 14, 2013 at 2:19 AM

    Yeah he did. He stuck that needle straight in her stomach and took out blood.

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  66. ShannonNovember 14, 2013 at 2:41 AM

    But i'm not talking about everything Klaus has done since he's been on TVD or on T.O. i'm talking about now, in the present. Believe me, I HATED Klaus for a long time, (most times i still do) and the only time i felt sorry for Tyler IS when Carol's mom died. And yes I said this awhile back Hayley was the one who sold out Tyler in the first place (and btw i still think they had an affair up in those mountains) But it was Tyler who brought it on himself, to think he could lead a pack of wolves, and turn all of Klaus's hybrids against him. That was HIS doing. That was his thinking., and he should've left well enough alone. But he couldn't. Caroline wasn't wrong when she said Tyler stooped to Klaus' level. Again. i'm not on either side. Idc for Klaus or Tyler, but i call them as i see them. And in my eyes, Tyler blabbing to the entire Town that Hayley was pregnant with Klaus' baby was very low as opposed to Carol drowning. Carol had a family, she was a middle aged woman, she got to live her life, and she fulfilled her life pretty well, if you ask me. I'm glad Tyler came and wanted to take out his revenge i've been waiting for that. However, the witches already felt that Hayley was carrying a devil child, and tried killing it. (And still are trying) Now 100s of vamps are going to go after it too. And to me that is NOT something that Tyler can't be blamed for. I'm not dragging him down. But his actions of telling Marcel and everyone in that room, it's not forgivable. At this point he is no more better than Klaus. That baby isn't even 2 months old, and look what's it's been through already. Even more now.

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  67. ShannonNovember 14, 2013 at 2:43 AM

    I just hope the baby can survive everything that is thrown it's way.

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  68. lsbloomNovember 14, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    Your logic. Not mine. Elena is a terrible example as none of the other original family cared whether Elena lived or died. Elijah used her and Bonnie in a failed attempt to murder his own brother (total moral high ground there).


    Most of these guys go straight from Klaus's plan is in conflict with what I want, eg, Klaus wants to kill the witches who cursed Cami's brother, but I'd like to kill them first. To trying some underhanded plot to outmaneuver Klaus, which ultimately is always unsuccessful and then they get all upset that Klaus is hurt and wants revenge. Instead of saying, hey Klaus loves me, maybe I should be upfront with him. Elijah asked. Klaus said okay. Win-win.


    If two peoples' goals are in conflict, who wins? The strongest? The nicest? The one you like the best? My logic is that trying to use force or devious tactics backfires with Klaus, so stop doing it. They know what is going to happen and that they'll be worse off than they were before, because Klaus is petty and vengeful. Tyler thought the hybrids were better off not being sired and thought that the only way to get them free was to try to kill Klaus. They could have avoided, left, emotionally manipulated him like Caroline did about siring for friends--or Stefan with the compulsion, could have discussed the issue, could have done any number of things, but the minute you try to kill Klaus you better succeed or you are going to die. Weigh the potential benefits vs the potential costs and find another way that doesn't involve doing something that will get you killed. Klaus is a known quantity, and crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. For me, I get more annoyed at the stupidity than the petty vengefulness. It's like setting your house on fire to get rid of termites and then getting upset that you don't have a place to sleep. IMO, you shouldn't have burned down your bedroom, I don't care how destructive the little pests are. Find a better way.

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  69. robinclank2November 14, 2013 at 4:24 AM

    You keep saying they should try to talk and reason with Klaus instead of plotting against him. Right because Klaus is such a rational and reasonable person who is willing to compromise. No whenever he has a problem with his siblings is he upfront or does he underhandedly dagger them. I for one is happy to see Rebekah betray her shitty brother.

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  70. Jordana33November 14, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Tell me about it!. No matter how many awful things Klaus does,,people still romanticize him and ship him with Caroline.. That episode where Klaus killed all of the hybrids (with Hayley's help) . and then killed Tyler's mom was pretty sickening. I actually can't believe they made Klaus the central character in The spinoff. Anyway, I really hope that Tyler can get some kind of peace (that doesn't involve him dying).He was definitely one of my favorite characters on the Vampire Diaries.

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  71. LittleDreamerNovember 16, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    - I'm really liking Josh, he kinda has the boy next door vibe going on and he's just adorable and I always wondered why they opted to make him gay. I guess they wanted to avoid romance with him and Davina, though they would make a good couple. I hope we get to see more of these two, they both could use a friend right now and their scene added a certain lightness to a rather stern show.

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  72. KrysNovember 17, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    So, Klaus murdering an innocent woman is not as bad as Tyler telling Marcel about Hayley's baby simply because Carol has lived her life? LOL okay, I'm just going to stop replying to you now. And you are also putting words in mouth? Never did I say what Tyler is doing is wrong. Klaus has made this guys life hell. Doesn't matter that he was trying to free the hybrids, he didn't FORCE them to become unsired, he didn't FORCE them to help take down Klaus. But everything Klaus has done to Tyler WAS FORCED UPON HIM. You say you aren't for Klaus or Tyler but it's pretty clear who you are for. Tyler is a hell of a lot better than Klaus and what he is doing regarding the baby is wrong. But it is also out of character for Tyler. Tyler can't even live his life or go completely back to normal without fear that Klaus will come end it all for him. Who wants to live their life on someone else terms? Klaus LET him come back and just like that he can make him leave, especially since he has already made it clear that he planned on getting Caroline. I will always be team Tyler and anyone hating on him, while glorying Klaus has a serious f-ing problem.

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  73. omabinNovember 17, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    I liked it a lot. I enjoyed the Tyler scenes up to an extent but I thought it was out of character to have him willing to hurt Hayley like that. Since when? She had helped him so much when he needed before and now he was willing to murder her in cold blood? It was a bit of stretch to me. Other than that, I liked it a lot. Loved seeing more of Hayley. I now like her character a lot. Elijah and Klaus at the beginning going against Marcel like that was awesome and I also liked Davina and Josh's friendship. I don't like so much that Rebekah is going against Klaus now. I was liking the whole family dynamic thing with Klaus, Rebekah, Elijah and Hayley that was going on, I would rather keep it that way. Anyway, still very good episode and I still love the show.

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  74. LittleDreamerNovember 17, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    I enjoyed the Tyler scenes up to an extent but I thought it was out of
    character to have him willing to hurt Hayley like that. Since when? She
    had helped him so much when he needed before and now he was willing to
    murder her in cold blood? It was a bit of stretch to me.
    You're forgetting that Hayley told Klaus about Tyler unsiring all the hybrids and she only helped him to get information on her parents.

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  75. omabinNovember 18, 2013 at 12:42 AM

    Yeah that's true, I had forgotten about that. I still think it was out of character though. I think they use Tyler too much as a plot device and not as his own character with his own journey. I don't know why that is though. Maybe because he doesn't have direct main ties with Elena, Damon and Stefan? I always found it odd and disliked it and I found that they did the same here. What you say does help, but I am still not satisfied with it.

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  76. KrysNovember 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    He did not compel Tyler. And he is living under Klaus's terms, he may have not been actively looking for Tyler, but like Caroline has said Tyler is the love of her life and if Klaus intends to be with Caroline that would mean getting Tyler out of the picture at some point.


    You make no sense. Tyler was sired to Tyler, he NEVER WANTED THAT FOR HIMSELF. Any sense of loyalty to Klaus was NOT REAL. Why don't you get that? He loved it because he was forced to because that is what the sire bond did. "REal love is stronger than FAKE loyalty." How in the hell did Tyler force the hybrids to take down Klaus? He didn't put a gun to their head. They wanted to be free, they could have walked away at any moment. But guess who doesn't get that option? Hybrids don't, unless they fight really hard for it. And you need to quit saying Tyler got freaky with Hayley BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED. You just wish it did to justify hating Tyler more, but guess what? It did not. It is not canon that it happened so stop being delusional and stating your opinion as a fact. Tyler left because Caroline nor his friends were safe around him as long as he was sired to Klaus. He did the right thing. Tyler has lost more than anyone at the hands of Klaus, even more or at least the same as Elena. So you can feel sorry for Elena but not for Tyler? Makes no sense. Tyler isn't trying to kill Klaus, he knows he cannot do that. Tyler wants to make Klaus' life hell and I won't say that is impossible or pointless because Klaus has consistently won against the heroes on TVD. You say Tyler should stop dragging other people into his drama, but what exactly has Klaus been doing since he got to MF? And even as recent on TO. I can assure that I could shoot down every one of your claims, but at this point I'm tired of talking about it. You feel how you feel and I feel how I feel and I can promise you that will never change.


    Yes, Tyler is one of my favorite characters. Would I be sad if he died? Absolutely because he doesn't deserve it. I will always root for him even if I don't agree with some of his actions (because clearly killing an innocent baby is a shitty thing to do), but I would rather him die fighting for something he believes in than to run away like a coward with his tail tucked in between legs. This is my last time responding to you on this matter, so feel free to write back but I won't be responding.

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  77. ShannonNovember 19, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    Ok great. Cuz we would just be going back and forth. So thank you. And as a matter of fact, he did. Klaus Compelled Tyler, to leave and spend the rest of his days, knowing he means nothing to him. Maybe you should go watch that scene again. B/c he definitely did compel him. Actually Caroline said "So be the love of my life" Tyler couldn't do that. His hate for Klaus was too strong. And Caroline, seemed pretty ok with having Jesse as a rebound anyway. Well of course Tyler would be out of the picture for Klaroline to get together. Klaus will out live him anyway.


    I make no sense? "Tyler was sired to Tyler." Who's not making sense now?? Hahaha Tyler may have not wanted to be a hybrid, but once he was he loved it. And that was before we knew of his SB to Klaus. He loved not being able to change on a full moon once a month, hell he even played with his "few found abilities" with Jeremy, in the woods. So yeah actually he did love it, BEFORE he realized he was Sired to Klaus. I'm not gonna quit saying that Tyler and Hayley didn't get it on. It's my theory deal with it. And to make myself feel better? Seriously IDC ABOUT FORWOOD. Why don't YOU get that? Idc if he cheated on her, cuz Caroline hasn't really been 100% faithful herself. Having feelings for Klaus then kissing Jesse back. I mean honestly, she's the one in denial, not me. They never exactly confirmed that Tyler didn't do anything with Hayley, or didn't. Sooo that is still up in the air. He said they were friends, ok? And? Doesn't mean they didn't slip up. I think your the one being delusional on that one. You automatically erase the possibility, even though the signs were possibly there. More on Hayley's side, but Tyler wasn't exactly complaining either. I could easily feel more for Elena than Tyler are you kidding? Should i make a list? B/c Elena would come out on top for that one. No question. Umm Klaus hasn't dragged people into his drama to GO AGAINST Tyler, Klaus can defeat Tyler all by himself, without any help from others. You didn't read my statement correctly. Again I say Tyler drags people into his drama to settle a personal vendetta against Klaus. Getting them killed by Klaus' hands. And Tyler running away like a coward?? That's what he's been doing for the last 2 seasons. Hahaha you hardly see him. Now he comes back for "revenge" on Klaus, I wanted him to have revenge on Klaus, but it's pretty disappointing when Tyler is just BEGGING Klaus to kill him. That's not fighting for something he believes in, that's him giving up b/c Klaus broke him. He was surrendering. Now all of a sudden, he gets another pair of balls b/c Klaus so strongly put that Tyler means nothing to him. Now he brings in Marcel and his clan. Smh I never asked if you would be sad about Tyler i was saying you would, b/c he's your favorite. And when he does die. Then i will feel sorry for you. B/c despite our disagreements (and i could easily comeback with every one of ur comments, i've been doing this for 5 yrs) it does suck when your favorite Character dies. Now when this new episode airs, let's see if Tyler's revenge works. Maybe it will maybe it won't. If it does it'll last 10 minutes if that. (although i would hope for 3 episodes at least) Tyler making Klaus' life hell, that may be possible. But it would be VERY brief. Klaus has lived 1000 yrs. There's no way one of his hybrids besting him for however long, is something Klaus will dwell over.

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  78. ShannonNovember 19, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    And yet you STILL keep talking. Now you're just contradicting yourself. You don't get it. Just stop replying. The feeling couldn't be more mutual. Cause you clearly don't get where i'm coming from. And that's perfectly normal b/c you're a fan, you ship Tyler. Anyone who ships a person would not want to hear anything else negative about that character. So we'll call it what it is. We agree to disagree. You enjoy the show.

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  79. KrysNovember 20, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    For the record I do not ship Forwood, so stop your assumptions about me. Also, I like Klaus, again there you go assuming shit that you clearly don't know anything about. Because unlike you, I have clearly stated Tyler's wrong doings. I don't let things cloud my judgment just because it's my favorite character. I am very unbiased when I watch tv, regardless of my feelings for any character. You enjoy the show yourself.

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  80. ShannonNovember 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    And FTR..Did i say you shipped Forwood? No i did not. I said you ship Tyler. And i said IIIII don't care about Forwood, so there you go again turning my words around, and assuming something you're COMPLETELY wrong about. Just b/c you point out Tyler's wrong doings, doesn't mean shit. You can point out his wrong doings, and still ship the hell out of him. Please. And you like Klaus? Ha! Yeah ok, funny how you point that out til now. I say i hate Klaus, and you think i like him. I point out how ridiculous Tyler is being right now, and you pointing out his wrong doings (thinking you're being unbiased, but you're not) trying to agree with me, at one tiny part. Then constantly argue that Tyler doesn't get what he deserved, but yet he can't stop taking out revenge on Klaus, and the consequences of his actions just keep building up. Yet Tyler will "come out on top" And Klaus won't. B/c Tyler is better, blah blah blah. Yeah ok. W/e you need to tell your self. And i can't believe you're still talking. Seriously do you take your own advice? That's a RHETORICAL question, btw. You said like 5 comments back that you wouldn't reply, and yet here you are. You say you don't want anymore emails from me, and yet you keep responding. My god, what is your problem? = / You're exhausting. From this point on, i will not respond or read w/e comment you will post towards me next, on this subject, B/c we will be going on for days. And i'm so over you, like 3 days ago. Honestly, unlike you i actually stick to my words. And i'm not contradicting, unlike you. So Goodbye

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  81. KrysNovember 20, 2013 at 10:39 PM

    How do you ship a person? That makes no sense and yes you did in one of your earlier posts, implied that I shipped Forwood. When did I say Tyler would come out on top? I said he is fighting for what HE believes even if he goes and get himself killed. You are stupid and yes I did say I would stop replying, but your stupidity and implications about me made me want to reply back. It's my right to do so. You are so over me, but yet you are responding as well. But please do not worry because I can promise you that I have wasted enough time on your pathetic self, reading your posts have made me lose brain cells I'm sure. Goodbye.

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